West Coast Connection Forum
DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: Big BpG on December 08, 2002, 10:00:57 PM
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Sup Yall?
First off, have you guys noticed, that during the West's domination 1992-1996 & 1999-2001 the Westcoast formed a team... formed with Dre, Snoop Dogg, DPG, Xzibit, Tha Eastsidaz, Ice Cube and even with help from Eminem. Nowadays, they don't have that unity anymore, so if any artist was to bring them back.... who do you think it would be?
To me, Roscoe... he has some major potential. First off, the kid is young and he is hungry... and the dude also have sex appeal. I'm not trying to get homosexual remarks now, but we all know that music these days is all about seeing and not hearing. If you have an image, you will sell well. He's also a very solid rapper. Roscoe can bring a good mix of rhymes with his music. He's probably the one rapper I'm looking forward to next year. Of course, everyone else could say Crooked I... but, I don't know
-Big BpG
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Big Tray Deee
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the dude also have sex appeal. I'm not trying to get homosexual remarks now
HAHHAAA ur scary man... I remember ur "Awesome feeling" bout snooop Dogg's muzik.. lol juss kidddin
On tha real, yeh' i see Roscoe do it big,,, he looks charismatic, I also see Nate Dogg or Kurupt if he contributes to the destruction of the DeathRow/Dogg House BEef... thats the beef that fucks it all in my opinion..
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Dj Quik + Snoop Dogg
if they get together they can bring the West back on the map and when I say Dj Quik & Snoop Dogg it means also QUik's camp and Snoop's camp together they can bring heat
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Dr. Dre
Everytime the West came back Dre was at the forefront.
Straight Outta Compton - Put L.A. on the map. Yes Ice-T came before but the mainstream didn't pay attention until N.W.A. dropped this album.
The Chronic - Put the West Coast at the top from '92-'96. Influenced the whole sound of the West.
2001 - Resurrected the West Coast.
Detox - ???
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Dr. Dre
Everytime the West came back Dre was at the forefront.
Straight Outta Compton - Put L.A. on the map. Yes Ice-T came before but the mainstream didn't pay attention until N.W.A. dropped this album.
The Chronic - Put the West Coast at the top from '92-'96. Influenced the whole sound of the West.
2001 - Resurrected the West Coast.
Detox - ???
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The west ain't gone nowhere...
fuck the radio..
We done more shit....they still catchin' up listen to Jay-z's music...the West is all in their style... ;)
OnE
Hatesrats 2oo2
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I think Soopafly could bring tha west back. Just listen to all of tha catchy songs he's made.
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Dr. Dre
Everytime the West came back Dre was at the forefront.
Straight Outta Compton - Put L.A. on the map. Yes Ice-T came before but the mainstream didn't pay attention until N.W.A. dropped this album.
The Chronic - Put the West Coast at the top from '92-'96. Influenced the whole sound of the West.
2001 - Resurrected the West Coast.
Detox - ???
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Roscoe
Crooked I
Defari
Phil Da Agony
Krondon
T-Nutty
Shade Sheist
N.U.N.E.
Knoc-Turn'Al
Hittman
Baby S
Caz
Eastwood
thats just a mix of the newer batch of the west coast artists that will probably be here in say 7 years...
i wouldve said Mausberg...but hes dead n gone..he was our best hope...but Crooked I has the best chance...only if he comes with his real style...not this murder inc n tha row shit hes doin
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Are Snoop and Quik still cool. It seems like everytime Quik says that he makes tracks with the enemy and regrets it he's talkin' about Snoop. I don't know if it's beef, but it seems like Quik is irritated by the whole mainstream crippin' thing. Listen to "Streetz is Callin'". I think some of that is about Snoop. If not him then who ??? Kurupt ???
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Dre. When he drops an album he not only brings the west back. He brings hip hop
back in general.
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Are Snoop and Quik still cool. It seems like everytime Quik says that he makes tracks with the enemy and regrets it he's talkin' about Snoop. I don't know if it's beef, but it seems like Quik is irritated by the whole mainstream crippin' thing. Listen to "Streetz is Callin'". I think some of that is about Snoop. If not him then who ??? Kurupt ???
I think they're still cool I saw em On "OH Drama" a few months ago and didnt Snoop showed his respect for Quik on pimp Slapp'd by using his rhymes??
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Ice Cube & Dre !! who else ?
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Krondon ,Hiero, Defari & co and even the Likwit Fam th'yre like Cypress they're from the west but people don't see them as west coast , mainly because of their east coast sound.
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I think Xzibit had the best chance as EVERYONE was on his dick for awhile....unfortunately, he dropped the ball. I agree with others, DRE is the only one that can do it, he has done it three times and even though he is average right ow expect that he will do it again
Cube could drop a big album, but other than that, i dont know. If Knocturnal would abeen handled properly, he could ablown up to even though he aint my thing. Basically, the west wouldnt be where it is right now if NWA woulda came out, if a 213 album had dropped already, if Hittman and Knoc woulda formed a group and dropped right after 2001, and if SNoop and Dre would did the reunion album.
Artists like Ras kass are amazing but will never ressurect the west because he is an artist who should not make commercial tracks....his best chance was Home Sweet Home, but everyone knows what happened with that song!
Roscoe, his advance album was truly terrible but he does have potential. Heiro, Defari, andd Phil Da Agony are dope, but do not have the right sound to blow up.......and that is what u guys mean by bringing the west back, right?
Quik and Snoop worked together in the past, and somehow the results were only average. I would love to see it again, as i dont know how it couldnt be dope.
Soopafly (is dope as hell, that is true, but what he does will go unnoticed my majority)
Roscoe
Crooked I (too rugged to be huge, although the ROw is trying with Sisqo and Ja Rule and IRV)
Defari (one of my favourites, but too plain to do any damage)
Phil Da Agony (see above)
Krondon
T-Nutty
Shade Sheist (terrible boring style, although he has made some incredible songs like WHere i wanna be and John Doe)
N.U.N.E.
Knoc-Turn'Al (maybe my least fav. but the one with the most potential of this list, hope his career is not fucked by having to redo his album)
Hittman (this guy is dope, but too plain.....needs to from a group with Knoc, they compliment eachother perfectly)
Baby S (kind of a Snoop rip off, has a couple dope songs, no chance though)
Caz (album is dope, but who besides us knows who he even is)
Eastwood (this guy can RIP the mic, but being on the ROw means no album, which means no chance in hell)
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Not one of the above artists will ever blow up; even if they make great music it is doubtful anyone besides westcoast fans will hear it. So, how much chance do they have of bringing the west back? What is it you guys want? I just want quality music from the underground artists, and great commercial music from people like Nate, Warren, Xzibit, Snoop, Dre, etc...............
To be honest, i do not think we have seen the artist that will bring the west back! I mean, there has gotta be an undiscovered cat out there somewhere who is talented beyond words...
Maybe the west does have the artists, but the artists are fucking themselves over. I mean the commercial ones; if Snoop and Dre spent a year making reunion album, it could bring the west back singlehandedly. Not sure if people are even gonna care now, but if 213 came out like 5 years ago it would been huge, and as a result Nate and Warren would maybe still be releavant as solo artists. basically, i think all the former deathrow artists and DPGC are the best chance despite the little success they are having currently. They gotta take the time, keep it in the family, and make the music that everyone knows they can. Everything is rushed and all over the place with no direction..........hopefully this all gets turned around, cuz the west coast is the music i love the most, but i am just not feeling it like i was (not like any rap is THAT dope right now)......
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THA liks hahahahah i wish. who knows>????
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I changed my mind!!!!! without a doubt u heard it hear first!!!!!!this guy will blow up for sure!!!!!
UNCLE JUNEBUG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Face it, all these people who we wanna see succeed and that are tight won't save the west. Roscoe won't do shit, same with anyone on Doggystyle. Crooked I has a good chance but will he ever drop? Knoc missed his chance, so did Shade Sheist and Xzibit didn't do shit with his album. Hittman is out of the picture as well.
Dr. Dre is your man, right now the west is in a slump, mutherfuckers are lookin over the west coast, and now that Dre is on the d/l so is the west. Make sense?
"Detox" will make perfect timing to save the west when it drops, and we'll be back in theforefront.
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it ain't that the west is in a slump, its that these radio stations and video stations and magazines ain't fuckin with us. And a lot of rap fans these days are fucking bustaz. Look how much ja rule and nelly sold this year. U tryin ta say that those albums are better than any west coast release this year. It ain't the artists, its the fans. Real fans recognize real music. Fuck the hip-pop suckaz.
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Not one of the above artists will ever blow up; even if they make great music it is doubtful anyone besides westcoast fans will hear it. So, how much chance do they have of bringing the west back? What is it you guys want? I just want quality music from the underground artists, and great commercial music from people like Nate, Warren, Xzibit, Snoop, Dre, etc...............
To be honest, i do not think we have seen the artist that will bring the west back! I mean, there has gotta be an undiscovered cat out there somewhere who is talented beyond words...
Maybe the west does have the artists, but the artists are fucking themselves over. I mean the commercial ones; if Snoop and Dre spent a year making reunion album, it could bring the west back singlehandedly. Not sure if people are even gonna care now, but if 213 came out like 5 years ago it would been huge, and as a result Nate and Warren would maybe still be releavant as solo artists. basically, i think all the former deathrow artists and DPGC are the best chance despite the little success they are having currently. They gotta take the time, keep it in the family, and make the music that everyone knows they can. Everything is rushed and all over the place with no direction..........hopefully this all gets turned around, cuz the west coast is the music i love the most, but i am just not feeling it like i was (not like any rap is THAT dope right now)......
i dont know man..people can change over the years...alot of the people are still new...and u never know if they can blow...dmx is rather rugged and he blew up...i dont see why Crooked I wouldnt be able to...i mean just cuz theyre underground or unknown now doesnt mean they wont be anything in a few years....snoop, nate, warren, dre...they dont have much left...theyre already in their 30s....nobody wants to hear a 30+ guy rappin about the streets....at least i dont
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Right now the west is getting hated on, Xzibit's album was not that great but it was better than most of the shit that sold a lot of records. Snoops album was not that great but it was better than a lot of shit that was out there. The #1 reason the west don't sell is the labels. If you look at it all the west artist are on shitty label's. WC is on Def Jam but why would Def Jam focus WC when they have all these artist that have "big" artist who sell a lot of records.
The other reason is the west coat lacks quality. We only have a hand full of good producers, and a shit load of wack ones. Jellyroll fucked up Xzibit's and Snoop's albums all buy himself. Fred Wreck could be so dope, but it seems like he rather make futuristic beats than that hard core shit I hear from him time to time. Dre and Ric Rock seem to be the most consistant. Eventhough Dre has been slackin as of late, if he was high off Kokane he would not make as bad of beats as jellyroll.
Another reason is right now the only rappers selling records are those who appeal to rich whites. Lets be honest, Rich Whites are the ones who are buying records right now, untill true hip-hop peeps stop bootlegging and start buying The west will never be back. Right now the west has Snoop & Xzibit, but all the east has is Jay-Z and Nas, as far as real hip-hop goes. Hip-hop as a whole is not what it once was, If your not Eminem or Dead your not Selling double and tripple platinium.
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Dr. Dre
Everytime the West came back Dre was at the forefront.
Straight Outta Compton - Put L.A. on the map. Yes Ice-T came before but the mainstream didn't pay attention until N.W.A. dropped this album.
The Chronic - Put the West Coast at the top from '92-'96. Influenced the whole sound of the West.
2001 - Resurrected the West Coast.
Detox - ???
Yup, that's rite.
The West isn't going nowhere without Dre.
And that's why it's so ironic that 2 Eastcoast-cats is the 2 dudes that can bring the West back.
50 Cent & Rakim!!
Ice Cube can do it too, 213 can do it, but I don't see them coming out before 2004.
Dre could have brought it all back with Snoops album though, but maybe Rakims album will do the trick...
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Detox album will blow up when it will probably drop next year...also droppin is the new cube album from aftermath...roscoe, nate dogg, kurupt, 2pac, Crooked I..and bunch of other albums...should be a good year for the west...fuck the radio(except for power106..still representin da west)...MTV, BET...
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dre when he drops detox.
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Sup Yall?
First off, have you guys noticed, that during the West's domination 1992-1996 & 1999-2001 the Westcoast formed a team... formed with Dre, Snoop Dogg, DPG, Xzibit, Tha Eastsidaz, Ice Cube and even with help from Eminem. Nowadays, they don't have that unity anymore, so if any artist was to bring them back.... who do you think it would be?
To me, Roscoe... he has some major potential. First off, the kid is young and he is hungry... and the dude also have sex appeal. I'm not trying to get homosexual remarks now, but we all know that music these days is all about seeing and not hearing. If you have an image, you will sell well. He's also a very solid rapper. Roscoe can bring a good mix of rhymes with his music. He's probably the one rapper I'm looking forward to next year. Of course, everyone else could say Crooked I... but, I don't know
-Big BpG
eactly my opinion.....i think also crooked i has a chance
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I think Crooked I's gonna hit like ja rule , Nate dogg's push the coast, Knoc gonna drop and get the man on second while cube gonna put man on 3rd, and dre's gonna step up to the plate n hit a grand slam boyz , and that's just how it's gonna be, and to top it off there's the 213 , HOLY SHIT i'm SO excited for that one
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snoop ain't bringing back the west if he's droppin shit like his last album. Soopafly, although he's a tight producer and rapper, will not blow up because Snoop won't allow him to, and will hold Soopafly down so he doesn't overshadow himself. That's why you see a lot of other producers on Dogghouse albums instead of using Soopa, which would actually cost less than using 20 producers.
but I truely believe Crooked I can bring back the west, and if it involves being on Murder Inc. songs to do it, than so be it. because once Crooked I's solo drops, i have a feelin everyone will shift back to the west because of crook's skill. Eastwood and Roscoe also have a good chance of bringing back the west.
The thing is that the older west coast artists *cough*Snoop and Dre*cough* are either holding back other west coast artists or making their sound more eastcoast to sell records. The west needs to come up with a new sound of their own; they need to distance themselves from Dre, DJ Premier, Kanye West, Just Blaze, The Neptunes, Timbaland. The key to the success of the new west coast is to create their own sound. One of the common criticisms on this board about Tha Row is that their production is wack. Now, how can peeps say that if there are very very very few tracks out there that has been produced by their team. There's one person talented enough to change the game and give the new west coast the sound........DJ Quik. Although he's been around 10+ years, his sound has evolved, and would be the perfect canidate to lead the younger west coast acts to tight music and maybe consumers will pick it up and the west will be on top.
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Not one of the above artists will ever blow up; even if they make great music it is doubtful anyone besides westcoast fans will hear it. So, how much chance do they have of bringing the west back?
Exactly, I hate to say it but the West is dead as far as gettin commercial recognition. Its sad but face it, its the truth. in his post, teecee listed all the future West Coast rappers and I dont see anyone in that list that can blow up and bring it back. But what does Bring it Back even mean? Bring it back like it was in 92-95? Impossible. It takes more than 1 or 2 rappers to bring it back, it takes a whole crew or label to get recognition. If people like myself dont mind about Quality music and not record sales and all that, West Coast Rap will live Forever.
But even if we dont wnna face the truth and care about the sales they are imortant cause west coast rappers get dropped over and over again if they dont sell. See what happend to easki and look whats gonna happen to WC. If you think about it, its very sad if you have a West Coast vet like WC who been in the game for years, had commercial sucess with the Connect Gang a few years back (add Tha Liks, Nate Dogg and Warren G to that list), and then in 2002 he has the best Rap single of the year and one of the most overloooked album (together with Dj Quik) and cant sell more than 75,000 in his first month. its just sad. Mainstream just dont care for the West anymore. the combination of the west workin together could bring the west back on top, not everybody tryin to do their own thing, we need unity.
we can only hope that theres something or someone whos coming with something new and completetly different and blow up, but the west as a whole, the chances are not lookin good imo. Like many people said, the big names like Ice Cube or Dre are probably gonna be the only ones who can change things again.
but as everybody can easily see, west coast rap is a very sensitive topic, you would never have to talk like this bout the East or the South.
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If you think about it, its very sad if you have a West Coast vet like WC who been in the game for years, had commercial sucess with the Connect Gang a few years back (add Tha Liks, Nate Dogg and Warren G to that list), and then in 2002 he has the best Rap single of the year and one of the most overloooked album (together with Dj Quik) and cant sell more than 75,000 in his first month. its just sad. Mainstream just dont care for the West anymore.
mmhhh, i think the reason why WC´s and Quik´s new album doesnt sold well is that these album´s are not as good as any of their earlier releases. if you wanna commercial success, then make an album with more then just two or three good tracks. i agree with the rest of your post.
Crooked I could blow up big...but he should stop fucking around with murder inc. etc., i dont want a Crooked I album full of eastcoast pop rappers. i would like to see a complete solo album with max. 2 guests on it, all tracks produced in a bumpin westcoast style, hard hitting beats with lots of bass...gangsta beats (like on that LBC comp.)
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Yeah, the media ain't giving West the props & exposure they deserve. Also the label shit is true, but that goes hand in hand with the media shit: If an artist gets lots of media attention and cats is listening, he's/she's bound to be on a label with good distribution & shit.
But to answer the question, there ain't nobody that can "bring back the West" alone, niggaz need to get together & make it happen. Neither of Dre's albums were Dre's albums alone: there's a whole bunch of artists all over them. The combo's on those albums worked well together well and made the albums hot. That's what's Detox is gonna be like, I'm sure of it: Dre (& Mel-Man) behind the boards all the time and Dre on the mic, but not nearly as much as others: the finest rappers & singers around.
I finally got my copy of Ghetto Heisman yesterday, shit is sooooooo hot. I know this album would push major units if it got more promotion: Sure, WC was on about every radio show and did a bunch of interviews and got recognition that way, but as far as I know most cats don't listen to all them shows and don't visit DubCNN or other sites. Those are for the hardcore fans. If WC's videos were played on MTV twice an hour and there were TV spots for the album like Nelly has, he'd sell a whole lotta records.
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I don't have one special artists, but I would that chicano-rappers will bring the west back. They still work with the g-funk sound and they are working really hard. Just take a look at all these releases.
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only 1 man can bring it back DRE
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Dre should of course bring it back,he's the best producer around on the westcoast. BTW speaking about producers,does ANYONE know a female one?See i don't,and if there aren't any....ain't that a bit odd considering there are quite some female MC's........not that I'm female or a feminist just lovin' them for what they're best at....... ;D;D I know quite some good ones..
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I think knocturnal could prob blow up on the west......i love his shit......anyway on another note...if Westside Connection do their new album.......that shit if done right can def. get the west back on the map....but right now the best bet is Dr. Dre
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i gotta say either Crooked I cuzz he will be noticed my his lyriks like nas, Roscoe cuzz of his looks and talent, knocturnal cuzz he will be judged by beats or maybe looks, or soopafly or e-white cuzz of there talent
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Crooked I, Lowlifes, Ras Kass
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It takes a whole crew to bring it back, like Jay said. OR it will take someone wit a GREAT RECORD DEAL that can put out a bunch of good quality shit real fast. through a good a record deal, Some one that would get coast to coast promotion. Some one still on top of his game and that can work non stop and keep coming out with shit here and there every year. who am I talkin bout? who else, besides the man him self.
DAZ DILLINGER.
-nate
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I think Xzibit had the best chance as EVERYONE was on his dick for awhile....unfortunately, he dropped the ball. I agree with others, DRE is the only one that can do it, he has done it three times and even though he is average right ow expect that he will do it again
Cube could drop a big album, but other than that, i dont know. If Knocturnal would abeen handled properly, he could ablown up to even though he aint my thing. Basically, the west wouldnt be where it is right now if NWA woulda came out, if a 213 album had dropped already, if Hittman and Knoc woulda formed a group and dropped right after 2001, and if SNoop and Dre would did the reunion album.
Artists like Ras kass are amazing but will never ressurect the west because he is an artist who should not make commercial tracks....his best chance was Home Sweet Home, but everyone knows what happened with that song!
Roscoe, his advance album was truly terrible but he does have potential. Heiro, Defari, andd Phil Da Agony are dope, but do not have the right sound to blow up.......and that is what u guys mean by bringing the west back, right?
Quik and Snoop worked together in the past, and somehow the results were only average. I would love to see it again, as i dont know how it couldnt be dope.
Soopafly (is dope as hell, that is true, but what he does will go unnoticed my majority)
Roscoe
Crooked I (too rugged to be huge, although the ROw is trying with Sisqo and Ja Rule and IRV)
Defari (one of my favourites, but too plain to do any damage)
Shade Sheist (terrible boring style, although he has made some incredible songs like WHere i wanna be and John Doe)
Knoc-Turn'Al (maybe my least fav. but the one with the most potential of this list, hope his career is not fucked by having to redo his album)
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Someone metioned the ages of some artists that no one's gonna listen to 30 year olds, isn't dre nearly/in his 40's?
Anyway, I do't think crooked i will blow up, from what I've heard from him (I haven't heard that much from him, so it's unfair for me to judge), he's sorta one dimensional if you know what i mean. He's a tight lyricist, but comes out too raw, and doesn't really say anything (from what i've heard), just metaphors, where as dmx has a wide range, eg. slippin (i think this is what it's called) which is emotional, to the ruff ryders anthem a party track.
Anyway I don't think this problem is specific to west coast, the american market, (I live in the uk so i don't know about the american music market), or even rap, but music in general, which has been declining for a few years now.
Jay-z & eminem are the exceptions, not just rap but in music in general who are doing really good sales wise. Looking at this post, snoops sales look actually good (I like the cd).
There are too many music acts to compete with!
Knoc-turn'al is the 'new' artist that can blow up imo.
The problem is that artists aren't taking their time on records. this is where dre does well, releasing 1 album over a long period of time. he waits for the music market to get saturated, listens to the general style, invents a new style which every one will later associate as his, then drop an album.
Inventing a new style is the biggest reason, unlike others who just go with the current trend- it will usually be played out in a short period of time.
This is why I don't think dre will ever go back to the old style g-funk (although I still love it), because it's too played out (yes even now), plus it will always be compared to his past work (and will be considered unoriginal by critics)- the chronic & doggystyle where perfect, so how can it be any better using the same style, so invent a different style instead were it can't be compared with.
Everyone sounds the same (uses the same producers), and there isn't a differentiation between artists, which set each other apart. OK Dre is recycling some of his beats at the moment, and I don't blame him, because he invented a new style, now everyone's ripping him off, so he's making his money while he can, then he'll come back with something different.
However on a positive note, trends usually move in cycles. The west will rise again, then drop off, then rise again etc.
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Dr. Dre
Everytime the West came back Dre was at the forefront.
Straight Outta Compton - Put L.A. on the map. Yes Ice-T came before but the mainstream didn't pay attention until N.W.A. dropped this album.
The Chronic - Put the West Coast at the top from '92-'96. Influenced the whole sound of the West.
2001 - Resurrected the West Coast.
Detox - ???
true
Cube could also do big thangs
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the west is pretty much dead commercially...the only acts i see having a chance to bring it back...crooked i, and maybe roscoe...but i dont see him appealing to much of the public...crooked i could be the wests last hope