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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: IRAN iz Gangsta! on May 19, 2010, 09:35:50 AM
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lets just cut to the chase and put lakers and celtics in the finals...both of them are gonna sweep suns and magic probably...might as well start discussion on the final
i want lakers to win obviously, but celtics might just take this one
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let's go Suns.
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let's go Suns.
oh they're goin home alright ;)
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pay back time bitches :firedevil:
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I made a potential temporary edit to the thread title. Just in case lol.
Now if they both to go to the finals, Lakers will get some revenge.
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pay back time bitches :firedevil:
god i hope they do
offensively lakers are good, so are celtics, i think lakers are better actually...but where celtics comes up is defense pressure...they're good at putting pressure on other teams which makes them not make their baskets and most teams dont seem to be able to snap out of the drought. Thats exacly what they did to laker 2 years ago and to cavs last series. If lakers can manage to not give into their defense pressure, then yes i think lakers will take it.
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Rondo is 10x better than 2 years ago and Fisher is an old fuck who has no business starting for a championship team.
Bryant is also not quite as dominant as 2 years ago. Neither are Garnett or Pierce. Allen doesn't seem to have lost too much, given the lack of athleticism in his game. Role player wise the Celtics and Lakers both turned it up a notch with the aquisitions of Artest and Sheed.
I think we have a series there.
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pay back time bitches :firedevil:
god i hope they do
offensively lakers are good, so are celtics, i think lakers are better actually...but where celtics comes up is defense pressure...they're good at putting pressure on other teams which makes them not make their baskets and most teams dont seem to be able to snap out of the drought. Thats exacly what they did to laker 2 years ago and to cavs last series. If lakers can manage to not give into their defense pressure, then yes i think lakers will take it.
lakers playin so much better D then they did in 08 so they could prolly stop the celtricks and we got ron artest if he comes up big we gon be good cuz ron gon be playin hungry he wants that ring bad then phil should remind pau bout how he was called soft and shit in the 08 finals and gasol gon need to play big
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Yeah it looks like we're gonna have Celtics vs Lakers again. I think the Suns have a better shot then Orlando at this point...only because Orlando lost the first 2 games at home. But unless the Suns somehow grow (not happening)....OR....they REALLY catch fire from 3....this series is over too. I think if it ends up being Boston and LA....it will be a much better series than the last meeting though. Rondo will definitely be the best player for the Celtics in that series.
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Fisher won't guard Rondo so I don't know why people keep talking about that matchup
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Fisher won't guard Rondo so I don't know why people keep talking about that matchup
because both niggas are starting PGs for their teams and rondo is 100x better
who will guard rondo tho? bryant? fuck no, you need him on offense. artest could have guarded him well a few years ago, now? not so much.
the x-factor is ray allen. if he knocks them shots down like a motherfucker, lakers are in big trouble. if he sucks, celtics are.
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Fisher won't guard Rondo so I don't know why people keep talking about that matchup
because both niggas are starting PGs for their teams and rondo is 100x better
who will guard rondo tho? bryant?
farmar or brown will guard rondo, they're just as young and quick
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Fisher won't guard Rondo so I don't know why people keep talking about that matchup
because both niggas are starting PGs for their teams and rondo is 100x better
who will guard rondo tho? bryant?
farmar or brown will guard rondo, they're just as young and quick
but they aint startin itll prolly be kobe guardin him
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Fisher won't guard Rondo so I don't know why people keep talking about that matchup
because both niggas are starting PGs for their teams and rondo is 100x better
who will guard rondo tho? bryant?
farmar or brown will guard rondo, they're just as young and quick
but they aint startin itll prolly be kobe guardin him
Whoever guards him its going to be a problem. Kobe might be able to slow down Rondo a bit...but then that just creates a mismatch somewhere else with whoever Fisher is guarding...which would have to be Allen. Fisher will have a tough time chasing Allen all over the place...off of screens, etc. And Allen can still drive...so he will be able to take advantage of Fishers innability to recover on defense.
If I was the Lakers I would rather have Kobe stick Allen. Its gonna suck for the Lakers cus Kobe will have to chase him around so much...but its still probably best. Kobe is their most athletic player and might be able to take Allen out of his game which would be a big blow to the outside shooting of the Celtics. Rondo will kill Fisher, but Fisher will have a lot of help with the bigs down low. other then that matchup...there are a lot of good ones. Kobe/Allen....Artest/Pierce...Garnett/Gasol.
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Fisher won't guard Rondo so I don't know why people keep talking about that matchup
because both niggas are starting PGs for their teams and rondo is 100x better
who will guard rondo tho? bryant?
farmar or brown will guard rondo, they're just as young and quick
but they aint startin itll prolly be kobe guardin him
Whoever guards him its going to be a problem. Kobe might be able to slow down Rondo a bit...but then that just creates a mismatch somewhere else with whoever Fisher is guarding...which would have to be Allen. Fisher will have a tough time chasing Allen all over the place...off of screens, etc. And Allen can still drive...so he will be able to take advantage of Fishers innability to recover on defense.
If I was the Lakers I would rather have Kobe stick Allen. Its gonna suck for the Lakers cus Kobe will have to chase him around so much...but its still probably best. Kobe is their most athletic player and might be able to take Allen out of his game which would be a big blow to the outside shooting of the Celtics. Rondo will kill Fisher, but Fisher will have a lot of help with the bigs down low. other then that matchup...there are a lot of good ones. Kobe/Allen....Artest/Pierce...Garnett/Gasol.
bynum/perkins
if drew can play in the finals and the knee is not much of a problem no big deal there plus perkins dont score much and is always in foul trouble
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I hope Bynum will play good for the lakers, even if I root for the celtics
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yeah I agree with you Daygo , Fish will have trouble with Ray but that's the way we defended them the few last times we played them ... imo Brown should play more minutes , he has the athleticism to bother Ray shot release and to stay with him on drives ... too bad it wont happen because Phil is in love with Fisher and Brown making decision is very poor at times
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Fisher won't guard Rondo so I don't know why people keep talking about that matchup
because both niggas are starting PGs for their teams and rondo is 100x better
who will guard rondo tho? bryant?
farmar or brown will guard rondo, they're just as young and quick
but their shitty defenders only thing better about them than fisher is their quickness, its gonna be kobe guarding rondo just like the whole westbrook match up, im sure fishers gonna try guarding him in the first starting minutes.
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yeah I agree with you Daygo , Fish will have trouble with Ray but that's the way we defended them the few last times we played them ... imo Brown should play more minutes , he has the athleticism to bother Ray shot release and to stay with him on drives ... too bad it wont happen because Phil is in love with Fisher and Brown making decision is very poor at times
It could happen...if the Celtics get Fish in foul trouble. But yeah sticking a more athletic player on Allen will always be good. Not to mention someone like Brown who can sprint down the court for a long outlet pass as soon as the shot goes up. Whoever is defending Allen will be guarding the three point line and not really be expected to crash the boards.
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I am saying this right here right now. Kobe's legacy is on the line as a great Lakers.
IF the Lakers win this final series against the Celtics and Kobe ends up with one more ring after this, I will be the first to stand up and call Kobe Bryant the greatest Laker to ever play the game.
IF the Lakers lost this finals series against the Celtics, I don't care if Kobe wins 3 more rings, Kobe can never be the greatest Laker ever without beating the Celtics.
When you look at the history, great Lakers like Jerry West, Elgin Baylor and Wilt Chamberlain tried and tried and tried to beat the Celtics. When it looked like they could, they lost. Magic Johnson could not beat the Celtics on his first try. They called it the Celtics curse. Then Magic's Lakers beat the Celtics twice to break the curse and finally add some justification to call this a rivalry. Now it's Kobe's turn. Kobe's first time against the Celtics ended like every great Laker's first time, he lead his team to failure. But, if Kobe can redeem himself, and he can beat the Celtics, then Kobe deserves his place next to Magic as unquestionably the two greatest Lakers ever. This rivalry is that important. Sadly for Shaq, he never had the chance to beat the Celtics, but Kobe does, and to bring a Finals victory over Boston is something that lives Laker fans minds, and makes them legendary.
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FARMAR WILL GUARD RONDO???? hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
might as well bring back Vlad Divac to guard K.G. with that thinking
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^ that guy just doesn't know, obviously the "assignment" for the series will not be given to Farmar
in my opinion, I would say the gameplan for the Lakers would be to let Rondo get his
as in, if you shut down Pierce and Allen - and Rondo gets a lot of points and you lose - well then you deserve the loss
Lakers know they don't have anyone to keep up with Rondo, putting Kobe on him is just stupid unless it's a last second or important play, something like that
it's all about the Lakers being able to score in the paint, and that's what the Celtics need to stop them from doing
if the Celtics won't let them in the paint, they start kickin it out, and if Artest and Kobe aren't hitting (which on those nights they never do) - it's big trouble
and last, will Lamar Odom be a pussy? that's a big factor in this series - and with any team playing the Lakers, no doubt it's always the deciding factor
going with my gut I'd have to think L.A. didn't forget 2008, and although Boston seems determined at the last shot of another ring and put up a fight, I say L.A. in 6
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I am saying this right here right now. Kobe's legacy is on the line as a great Lakers.
totally agree.... also look at it like this
3 Finals appearances in a row is incredible - but if you lose 2 out of the 3, to the same team, that's just a fuckup on every resume, especially against Boston
but if you go 3 in a row - WIN 2 out of 3, with 1 coming after you lost it THEN getting revenge on the 1 you originally lost to
it's complete failure or the top of the mountain
whether or not anyone likes it his shit is on the line big time in this series
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lol @ people being sucked into the media.
"rings = greatness", psshhhh.
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lol @ people being sucked into the media.
"rings = greatness", psshhhh.
It's not being a sucker to the media, it's about winning against Boston. I grew up hating Boston. I hated Larry Bird as a kid, in California he represented white culture, and we were a diverse state with our star player being African-American. It's about remembering Kobe Bryant now, and seeing him lead a team to victory over the great Boston Celtics. I'll be honest, the NBA title maybe great, but it's about Lakers/Celtics. I don't know if you know this, but they have sort of a rivalry going, and if your a Laker fan you remember that this rivalry has been going on since 1959, and we didn't even win a series until 1985. For ten years before I was even born, the Lakers lost 7 times to the Celtics, and 3 of those times the Lakers took it to game 7, the last time in 1969 the Celtics beat the Lakers on their own home court. When I was growing up in the 80's, it was all about Lakers/Celtics, as in 1985 the Lakers finally broke the Celtics curse, and proved their is some Magic in LA. Then in 2008, it was suppose to be Kobe's year, he won the MVP, and it was all about Kobe. So when we had Boston in the finals, it was perfect, what better way to cement the legacy of Kobe Bryant than to win the title that year again an old rival. The rivalry was dead, but once Boston won that series Laker fans wanted revenge, and slowly the rivalry is coming back. People in Boston are chanting "Beat LA", people in LA are chanting, "We Want Boston". I am not sure if you know this, to Laker fans, beating Boston is BIGGER than a ring, it's BIGGER than the trophies. There is nothing other than beating Boston. They kept Elgin Baylor from enjoying an NBA title, as Baylor might just be the greatest player to never win a title. They are responsible for 9 of the Lakers 15 NBA title loses. NBA title aside, this is our Yankees/Red Sox. For years it was a one sided affair, then it all turned around, and now it has become more important than titles.
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I am saying this right here right now. Kobe's legacy is on the line as a great Lakers.
IF the Lakers win this final series against the Celtics and Kobe ends up with one more ring after this, I will be the first to stand up and call Kobe Bryant the greatest Laker to ever play the game.
IF the Lakers lost this finals series against the Celtics, I don't care if Kobe wins 3 more rings, Kobe can never be the greatest Laker ever without beating the Celtics.
When you look at the history, great Lakers like Jerry West, Elgin Baylor and Wilt Chamberlain tried and tried and tried to beat the Celtics. When it looked like they could, they lost. Magic Johnson could not beat the Celtics on his first try. They called it the Celtics curse. Then Magic's Lakers beat the Celtics twice to break the curse and finally add some justification to call this a rivalry. Now it's Kobe's turn. Kobe's first time against the Celtics ended like every great Laker's first time, he lead his team to failure. But, if Kobe can redeem himself, and he can beat the Celtics, then Kobe deserves his place next to Magic as unquestionably the two greatest Lakers ever. This rivalry is that important. Sadly for Shaq, he never had the chance to beat the Celtics, but Kobe does, and to bring a Finals victory over Boston is something that lives Laker fans minds, and makes them legendary.
Thats a bit much man. I dont think this series makes or breaks Kobe as an all time great. You know I dont see him as the greatest Laker ever, even if he wins THIS year because to me he has only won 1 ring so far as the leader of the team. Thats not enough to be the BEST Laker ever IMO. But I dont think it disqualifies him from ever being that by losing either. If he loses this year...then goes on to win 3 more rings as the leader of this team...youre gonna tell me you wouldnt consider him for all time greatest Laker? Not beating the Celtics doesnt define anyone really. Thats just some overdramatic Laker fan shit. IMO, people get wrapped up too much as it is...in the whole "whos the greatest player of all time" shit. Its a never ending debate and there is no RIGHT answer. Most people think Jordan is the greatest player of all time. He might be the one clear cut choice as far as their placement all time. IMO, after him...there is a big group of players whos rank can be shuffled around depending on whos judging them. Wilt, Russell, Kareem, Bird, Magic, Robertson, Havlicek, Hakeem, Duncan, Shaq, Kobe, Malone, etc....etc....
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lol @ people being sucked into the media.
"rings = greatness", psshhhh.
It's not being a sucker to the media, it's about winning against Boston. I grew up hating Boston. I hated Larry Bird as a kid, in California he represented white culture, and we were a diverse state with our star player being African-American. It's about remembering Kobe Bryant now, and seeing him lead a team to victory over the great Boston Celtics. I'll be honest, the NBA title maybe great, but it's about Lakers/Celtics. I don't know if you know this, but they have sort of a rivalry going, and if your a Laker fan you remember that this rivalry has been going on since 1959, and we didn't even win a series until 1985. For ten years before I was even born, the Lakers lost 7 times to the Celtics, and 3 of those times the Lakers took it to game 7, the last time in 1969 the Celtics beat the Lakers on their own home court. When I was growing up in the 80's, it was all about Lakers/Celtics, as in 1985 the Lakers finally broke the Celtics curse, and proved their is some Magic in LA. Then in 2008, it was suppose to be Kobe's year, he won the MVP, and it was all about Kobe. So when we had Boston in the finals, it was perfect, what better way to cement the legacy of Kobe Bryant than to win the title that year again an old rival. The rivalry was dead, but once Boston won that series Laker fans wanted revenge, and slowly the rivalry is coming back. People in Boston are chanting "Beat LA", people in LA are chanting, "We Want Boston". I am not sure if you know this, to Laker fans, beating Boston is BIGGER than a ring, it's BIGGER than the trophies. There is nothing other than beating Boston. They kept Elgin Baylor from enjoying an NBA title, as Baylor might just be the greatest player to never win a title. They are responsible for 9 of the Lakers 15 NBA title loses. NBA title aside, this is our Yankees/Red Sox. For years it was a one sided affair, then it all turned around, and now it has become more important than titles.
regardless, rings are not, nor will they ever be an individual achievement.
it's a team game, not Kobe's game; it all just affects the Lakers legacy.
i remember when the Celtics fucked the Lakers up two years ago, all we heard was "omg, if we had Bynum, we woulda won", now you have a full, healthy, better team & it's "omg, it's all Kobe"; like now, Bynum doesn't even deserve credit for the ring, if they win it; like the ring won't matter to anyone else's legacy BUT Kobe lol.
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some of y'all are more fans/ worried about players legacies than teams lol ...
the only important thing here is we will either got title number 16 and just one down to their total of titles or the C's will add a little more separation between both franchises
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Lakers vs Celtics is always fuckin good, two dominate teams.
Lakers got this one again
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Lakers vs Celtics is always fuckin good, two dominate teams.
Lakers got this one again
slow down young grasshopper...the Suns are still in this one. you better hope Bynum returns to form or the Lakers figure out that zone or it's gonna be a long series
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lol @ people being sucked into the media.
"rings = greatness", psshhhh.
It's not being a sucker to the media, it's about winning against Boston. I grew up hating Boston. I hated Larry Bird as a kid, in California he represented white culture, and we were a diverse state with our star player being African-American. It's about remembering Kobe Bryant now, and seeing him lead a team to victory over the great Boston Celtics. I'll be honest, the NBA title maybe great, but it's about Lakers/Celtics. I don't know if you know this, but they have sort of a rivalry going, and if your a Laker fan you remember that this rivalry has been going on since 1959, and we didn't even win a series until 1985. For ten years before I was even born, the Lakers lost 7 times to the Celtics, and 3 of those times the Lakers took it to game 7, the last time in 1969 the Celtics beat the Lakers on their own home court. When I was growing up in the 80's, it was all about Lakers/Celtics, as in 1985 the Lakers finally broke the Celtics curse, and proved their is some Magic in LA. Then in 2008, it was suppose to be Kobe's year, he won the MVP, and it was all about Kobe. So when we had Boston in the finals, it was perfect, what better way to cement the legacy of Kobe Bryant than to win the title that year again an old rival. The rivalry was dead, but once Boston won that series Laker fans wanted revenge, and slowly the rivalry is coming back. People in Boston are chanting "Beat LA", people in LA are chanting, "We Want Boston". I am not sure if you know this, to Laker fans, beating Boston is BIGGER than a ring, it's BIGGER than the trophies. There is nothing other than beating Boston. They kept Elgin Baylor from enjoying an NBA title, as Baylor might just be the greatest player to never win a title. They are responsible for 9 of the Lakers 15 NBA title loses. NBA title aside, this is our Yankees/Red Sox. For years it was a one sided affair, then it all turned around, and now it has become more important than titles.
regardless, rings are not, nor will they ever be an individual achievement.
it's a team game, not Kobe's game; it all just affects the Lakers legacy.
i remember when the Celtics fucked the Lakers up two years ago, all we heard was "omg, if we had Bynum, we woulda won", now you have a full, healthy, better team & it's "omg, it's all Kobe"; like now, Bynum doesn't even deserve credit for the ring, if they win it; like the ring won't matter to anyone else's legacy BUT Kobe lol.
they arent individual achievements...but they do matter. Especially in Basketball. In Baseball....nobody gives a shit how many World Series you win. In Football...its important only if you are a QB. But you still cant really judge a football player on Superbowl victories. In basketball it matters more to me. Mainly because there are such fewer players and an individual has such a bigger impact on a team. BUT, not all championships are the same. If we use Kobe as an example. His three peat titles arent something I use to add much to his legacy...because he wasnt the focal point of that team. Shaq was. His latest championship means far more to his legacy because he was without question the man on that team. To me the teams success is only relevant to the indivuals legacy if he is the leader of that team. Robert Horry has a shitload of titles...but who gives a fuck cus he was just a role player lol