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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: Stan on July 08, 2010, 04:11:33 PM
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First time posting here, long time reading though.
I saw something about Jayo Felony and something came to mind that I think about from time to time. What are rappers doing after they're done a short career or had mediocre success? I mean what do these guys do for cheesE? Some examples:
Jayo Felony
Ras Kass
Roscoe
Slip Capone
Suga Free
Goldie Loc/Tray Dee
Bad Azz
Crooked I (still relevant)
I mean what are these guys doin these days? There is no way they are still earning a living from rapping, except maybe Crooked I. Even still, if you dont' have an album out and you can't do big tours... how does shit get by? I always wonder if you'd see them working retail or some shit like that.
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suga free the pimp hes a real pimp he just dosent rap about it he lives it
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First time posting here, long time reading though.
I saw something about Jayo Felony and something came to mind that I think about from time to time. What are rappers doing after they're done a short career or had mediocre success? I mean what do these guys do for cheesE? Some examples:
Jayo Felony
Ras Kass
Roscoe
Slip Capone
Suga Free
Goldie Loc/Tray Dee
Bad Azz
Crooked I (still relevant)
I mean what are these guys doin these days? There is no way they are still earning a living from rapping, except maybe Crooked I. Even still, if you dont' have an album out and you can't do big tours... how does shit get by? I always wonder if you'd see them working retail or some shit like that.
Depends on who youre talkin about. Many of em can still get paid off features...doin shows here and there. Theyll be getting money the same way a younger rapper would who hasnt made a MAJOR name for themselves. Hopefully they were somewhat smart with their money and saved some of that shit up. You never know, maybe Jayo has been investing..... :-\
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Well I'm talking about dudes listed plus dozens of others. I doubt they do too many shows, but then again I don't live in Cali. Still I mean you here a lot of these guys rap about the baller/pimp lifestyle but most of it is complete bullshit right?
How does a young rapper with no deal or marketing make money?.... A dime a dozen doesn't even cover that one.
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Like Daygo said, hopefully they got some of that bread saved up.
Otherwise, good question. :P
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I would assume they're doing the same thing everyone else on here is doing.
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First time posting here, long time reading though.
I saw something about Jayo Felony and something came to mind that I think about from time to time. What are rappers doing after they're done a short career or had mediocre success? I mean what do these guys do for cheesE? Some examples:
Jayo Felony
Ras Kass
Roscoe
Slip Capone
Suga Free
Goldie Loc/Tray Dee
Bad Azz
Crooked I (still relevant)
I mean what are these guys doin these days? There is no way they are still earning a living from rapping, except maybe Crooked I. Even still, if you dont' have an album out and you can't do big tours... how does shit get by? I always wonder if you'd see them working retail or some shit like that.
Well Suga Free is a Pimp first, rapper second. Crooked I has supposedly invested his money into business ventures. It depends on the rapper really. Some work as ghost writers
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LMAO @ hopefully some of the were smart and saved up hahaha
The only investing those rappers have done is bought gold...a gold chain that is.
I'm sure most of them are broke and owe a bunch of money to creditors and the irs. I'm sure plenty of westcoast gangsta rappers sell drugs, or do any kind of hustle to make some money.
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well, many of them still have a small, but relevant shows.
Like Talib Kweli,Diliated Peoples,Strong Arm Stready...They generate small crowds and get small money but enough to survive..
I assume some of them get loans and than pay it off.
But Many evade tax shit and get into trouble.
Like that Dumb Nigga from Ghetto Boys, Willie D or some Irrelevant 94 Bum that was Selling huge portions of Fake I phones scam or some shit..He got like 25 years.
The thing you gotta realise is that it has only been 8-15 years max since most rappers went selling(1998,2000 etc) for most. So they been living on the money they made so far, but what you gotta realise is that they are becoming completely irrelevant and they still have another 50-60 years to live.
So i would say in the next 20-30 years, in real future, say, 65% of all the rappers ever selling an albm will be working Fulltime in the factories.
The rest 35-40% will be good(Game,T.I,Luda, Jeezy,Cube,Dre,Em,Jay,50,Yay,Banks,Ross etc)...Huge Number of them
Even after the careers are over...People Like Cube,Game,Bone Thugs..They still have and will have fans that would wanna see them perform live..Not as much but still getting some $$$.
I mean, I would say that Games career is now alltime low, and dude just been booked to Perform in Texas Colesium San Peso or something and it has capacity over 7000 people...
20$ a show, if the arena is sold out, thats over 100-150 000 generated from Tour.Whatever money Game gets, its his money.
Same with Cube...He been long gone and still tours AROUND TEH WORLD. Quite a nice capacity venues..
Same with Bone thugs..These are rappers that will allways tour.
Game allways tears up the crowd and gives great entertainment, so people will allways spend $$$ on his shows...Same with Jeezy and others.
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Yea this shit reminds me of that song by Nas called "Where are they now". I guess it would be weird to pull up to a Circuit City and have said rapper selling you a TV in the same store you bought his cd in 10 years ago, lol.
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in a few years, Ja Rule, DMX will go Broke...they have no investments or any of that.They are the rappers that sold 6-7 millie in USA Alone, had cake but didnt invest it like 50 Was doing with Gunit Shoes,Clothing etc..
Even Game, for what he was, he knew his brand wouldnt live for too long, but while it was hot, he made Hurricane Shoes, was here and there trynna earn as much.
specially in 2001-2002...Rappers were all selling like 2-3 millie each time..>Easy. And at that time, nobody even worried about creating a brand and investing..
50 Was the First one after Master P. Than after 2005, sales went low, rescessions etc....People went like WOAH. We Gonna go broke!
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Mooching off their mom.
Mooching of their girlfriend.
Mooching of their grandparents.
Selling weed, etc...
Living out of their car.
Get a job at a bar/nightclub.
Some ideas that stick to a few gfunk legends here and there.
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Well, to be fair, it's just as easy for a rapper with millions of dollars to go broke if he doesn't know how to manage his finances properly. I mean, a lot of us like to act like we know all the numbers involved but the math isn't as simple as "Well, Jayo Felony doesn't have as many hit records as someone like Game so he must be broker". Thing is even if you're a rapper who had a huge album that went platinum, that really don't mean shit. Most rappers aren't making money off album sales. The only guaranteed money you get is the advance and that's where your smart artists are seperated from the stupid ones. If you sign with Def Jam and they give you $400,000 as your advance, that's yours. Whether you sell a million copies or the album gets scrapped before it ever hits shelves. The ultimate trap is for you to buy into the idea of your label as your family. "We all gonna ride together, you gotta show you down with us by wearing the label pendant in the video". I've heard quite a few stories about artists being shocked to discover those custom-made label chains actually get charged to them.
I think most of the people named are probably gonna be alright. Ja Rule? He gonna be fine. He got movie and music money coming in. DMX might be hurting due to legal troubles. Let's not be fooled by images though. Don't forget how big Pac was balling in his last year and then when they opened up the books after he died, he was in debt up to his ass.
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Rappers dont make money really. When they do get it most invest in things, some big some small but most invest in something just good enuf to keep em on their feet. Suga Free got pimpin and BG sells drugs or he used to, same wit all dem Hb niggaz, Wayne included. but im pretty sure theres a broke nigga or two out there.
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E40 got fatburger too
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I don't know about all this investing man. I think when you get into the fast lane the last thing your thinking about is your future investments. Like Game said on one of his tracks he spends that dough on the first day and we don't save shit.
Then you hear Cube on another track talking about the exact opposite saying not to blow your whole advance cuz you'll get fucked. I guess he has that wisdom though.
Living in the fast lane, 400k won't last you long at all. The only money artists really get these days is from touring, so unless your doin that your probably not making anything.
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I HOPE THEY HAVE LEARNED THE BUSINESS ASPECT OF THE GAME AND ADVANCE IN THOSE AREAS
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WHAT THE HELL DO THEY DO WHEN THEIR RAPPING?
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The answer can be found by taking a look at artist from the past that got so rich and their status now. Even actors, child-star etc...
THose stories are reflection of what many rappers will be, but even worst since they just spend like the money was gonna keep coming. Look at Young Buck, made 10 mil and have nothing now. And thats before his career over. Dude flatilined in his prime. smh. Drugs, cars & hoes broke him. That there is every rapper’s mentality.
U see guys like 50 saying he still ride regular planes when he has access to private jet. Dude like him will always be rich.
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There was this one guy from Puffy's making the hip hop band. He earned some 175,000$ or whatnot and bought a platinum chain. That's what rapper's do with their money! ;D
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in a few years, Ja Rule, DMX will go Broke...they have no investments or any of that.They are the rappers that sold 6-7 millie in USA Alone, had cake but didnt invest it like 50 Was doing with Gunit Shoes,Clothing etc..
Even Game, for what he was, he knew his brand wouldnt live for too long, but while it was hot, he made Hurricane Shoes, was here and there trynna earn as much.
specially in 2001-2002...Rappers were all selling like 2-3 millie each time..>Easy. And at that time, nobody even worried about creating a brand and investing..
50 Was the First one after Master P. Than after 2005, sales went low, rescessions etc....People went like WOAH. We Gonna go broke!
Did you says 50 was the first after P. Well in that case you can't even use the word first and I case Diddy and Hova didn't exist till after 50 right?
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he was in debt up to his ass.
Debt is always a tricky thing tho. People dont always look any further into what it means to be "in debt". They just assume....so and so is in debt, they are broke. You could be makin 5 million a year, and have 4 mortgages out there...and your "in debt". Doesnt mean youre broke. I think a big mistake some of these rappers make, is a common one...and thats that the more money they make...the more they spend. Everybody does it, not just rappers. But they are involved (like athletes) in a business that only allows you to earn your FULL potential for a few years. Not like being a Doctor, or a Lawyer where you can work for 30-40 years and more than likely continue to earn more and more as you get older. They start making purchases, and establishing bills that are fine for someone earning what they earn at their BEST. The problem is, once they cant earn that amount anymore...the bills dont just go away and they are fucked.
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sly boogie working at local burger king in san bernardino. i.e.
many of em tryin to act.
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I always thought rappers get delusional and think they're still relevant years after their last album.
Anyway I've heard Del Tha Funkee Homosapien has his own line of shoes and Clyde Carson makes a lot from his Hyphy Juice.
Other things that come to mind would be Nipsey's Slauson Tees store (if it's real), Dr. Dre's Beats By Dr. Dre and the name MC Hammer.
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I cant believe nobody's asked Daz yet...
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in a few years, Ja Rule, DMX will go Broke...they have no investments or any of that.They are the rappers that sold 6-7 millie in USA Alone, had cake but didnt invest it like 50 Was doing with Gunit Shoes,Clothing etc..
Even Game, for what he was, he knew his brand wouldnt live for too long, but while it was hot, he made Hurricane Shoes, was here and there trynna earn as much.
specially in 2001-2002...Rappers were all selling like 2-3 millie each time..>Easy. And at that time, nobody even worried about creating a brand and investing..
50 Was the First one after Master P. Than after 2005, sales went low, rescessions etc....People went like WOAH. We Gonna go broke!
Im pretty sure Ja Rule has a few business ventures like clothing etc
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They realize it's done then move on. Don't get spoiled and think your ass won't have to work a regular job! Nobody cares about who u were and aren't star struck...suck it up and live like the normal mufucka u are.
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People like Diddy, 50 cent and Nelly knew that rap wouldn't last for them and invested so their money will keep coming in.
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People like Diddy, 50 cent and Nelly knew that rap wouldn't last for them and invested so their money will keep coming in.
Its the same thing that SMART athletes do. They realize their lifespan as an athlete is very limited. So they make as MUCH money as possible during those few years, and find ways to make their money keep earning for them after they retire.
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you notice the first thing a rapper does when he gets some success is try to put some one on...thats in hopes that he can eat off that nigga and hang it up one day.
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you notice the first thing a rapper does when he gets some success is try to put some one on...thats in hopes that he can eat off that nigga and hang it up one day.
Thats why it was always funny when people would hate on Cube for doin the actor/producer thing. He's just being a smart business man is all. You can only be a gangsta rapper for so long. You can act, and make movies your entire life if youre good enough.
Its also good for rappers to get into the production side of music. You can stay relevant as a producer far after you arent relevant as a rapper anymore.
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you notice the first thing a rapper does when he gets some success is try to put some one on...thats in hopes that he can eat off that nigga and hang it up one day.
It's too bad that those type of rappers doesn't know how to run a business and let good talent go down the drain.
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wow this shit is actually depressing as shit.....I really hope these motherfuckers are fake rapping about the street shit and actually went to college, loll
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Ja Rule owns a gambling website...
Lots of rappers still make money off of shows, I know one rapper from who I wont name that used to work at home depot and now he is a plummer and lives with one of the homies that is my age (Mid 20s) but he is in his 40s...
I seen Dresta the Molestor in Hollywood promoting clubs once...
Lots of them probably sell weed lol I used to buy weed from Dj Khalil before he blew up, I bet some go back to that after they fall off...
Krondon & Phil Da Agony live in my hood, used to see them niggas everyday, I think they make money from shows/features mostly...
I bet a lot of them just nickle n dime to be honest....
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whoa...buddy.
a lil too much info being spoke on right there.
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you notice the first thing a rapper does when he gets some success is try to put some one on...thats in hopes that he can eat off that nigga and hang it up one day.
Thats why it was always funny when people would hate on Cube for doin the actor/producer thing. He's just being a smart business man is all. You can only be a gangsta rapper for so long. You can act, and make movies your entire life if youre good enough.
Its also good for rappers to get into the production side of music. You can stay relevant as a producer far after you arent relevant as a rapper anymore.
True that!
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Good question, either they still do small shows or working a regular job..... or back to slanging, lol.
Cube's a smart man.
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you notice the first thing a rapper does when he gets some success is try to put some one on...thats in hopes that he can eat off that nigga and hang it up one day.
It's too bad that those type of rappers doesn't know how to run a business and let good talent go down the drain.
Well that's the thing... it is too bad but also realistic. You can't go from being a drug dealer to rap star to a successful entrepreneur. Correction you can but it is not likely. I think Diddy, 50 are exceptions to the rule. I think all these dudes tried the clothing thing at one point but the market got over saturated. Here is one for you; how many rappers/groups have or tried clothing lines?
Snoop Dogg- Is his shit still out there?
Wu-Tang- Same as above
Outkast- Same as above
Jay-Z- Rocawear is still successful right?
Diddy- Sean John was a success
Nelly- Have no idea
Eminem- Shady was/is pretty successful
I guess it just depends on where you are in the country. Any others I'm missing? Still you can't rely on this anymore because there are way too many people doing it.
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you notice the first thing a rapper does when he gets some success is try to put some one on...thats in hopes that he can eat off that nigga and hang it up one day.
It's too bad that those type of rappers doesn't know how to run a business and let good talent go down the drain.
Well that's the thing... it is too bad but also realistic. You can't go from being a drug dealer to rap star to a successful entrepreneur. Correction you can but it is not likely. I think Diddy, 50 are exceptions to the rule. I think all these dudes tried the clothing thing at one point but the market got over saturated. Here is one for you; how many rappers/groups have or tried clothing lines?
Snoop Dogg- Is his shit still out there?
Wu-Tang- Same as above
Outkast- Same as above
Jay-Z- Rocawear is still successful right?
Diddy- Sean John was a success
Nelly- Have no idea
Eminem- Shady was/is pretty successful
I guess it just depends on where you are in the country. Any others I'm missing? Still you can't rely on this anymore because there are way too many people doing it.
Rappers have to invest in something that appreciates value and printed logos on lame fabric isn't shit.
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I gotta bring it up. And I do this cuz I'm interested in the bizness part of music. First off I like Bishop so don't accuse me of being a hater.
What I'm wondering is what is the point of releasing all these mixtapes for free? I mean yea they're good music, cool for the fans, but how does it get you further in your career? Better yet how does it pay the bills? Bishop isn't on a major is he? If not, this means that he'll never be distributed and blow up unless he gets back to a major. If we get all this music for free...how does he get paid? A couple local shows here and here?
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he probably has a backup plan, as he said on 'Hollow Eyes', that he wasn't getting paid at aftermath( i think he only received an advance when he signed with the label).
not sure how successful his tours were.
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If your ice cube you decide to make a few c level movies then move into kid/family movies and then you decide you need to get more "street cred" so u go back to "gangsta rap".
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I gotta bring it up. And I do this cuz I'm interested in the bizness part of music. First off I like Bishop so don't accuse me of being a hater.
What I'm wondering is what is the point of releasing all these mixtapes for free? I mean yea they're good music, cool for the fans, but how does it get you further in your career? Better yet how does it pay the bills? Bishop isn't on a major is he? If not, this means that he'll never be distributed and blow up unless he gets back to a major. If we get all this music for free...how does he get paid? A couple local shows here and here?
selling records isn't really how rappers make money
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it's back to Cocaine
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CUBE got to be the stand alone on the West Coast when it comes to longevity and keepin your money right. I know there is Dre, Snoop but CUBE is still relevant even if it is movies. He got major dough.
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I gotta bring it up. And I do this cuz I'm interested in the bizness part of music. First off I like Bishop so don't accuse me of being a hater.
What I'm wondering is what is the point of releasing all these mixtapes for free? I mean yea they're good music, cool for the fans, but how does it get you further in your career? Better yet how does it pay the bills? Bishop isn't on a major is he? If not, this means that he'll never be distributed and blow up unless he gets back to a major. If we get all this music for free...how does he get paid? A couple local shows here and here?
selling records isn't really how rappers make money
It's mostly the Touring and Merchandise.
CUBE got to be the stand alone on the West Coast when it comes to longevity and keepin your money right. I know there is Dre, Snoop but CUBE is still relevant even if it is movies. He got major dough.
Cube, Dre, 2pac (For his time) and Snoop are really the best West Coast businessmen men imo. Cube and 2pac had Movies (Which I thought was hypocritical that people never dissed 2pac for being a movie star. I guess the 2 kid movies is something people can't get passed considering how old Cube is.) Dre has Production Skills, new Artist to leech off of. Snoop has TV shows, Movies and other businesses (Sponsorships).
I think most rappers don't spend there money smart though. I mean if you see all the cats, it's only really the Big Names who are smart enough to invest.
Worse comes 2 Worse you've got a Danny Boy Situation where you can't make rent, and do Odd jobs.
PS: I think Bishop Made Money via Concerts, Guess Appearances, and he was probably taken care of via Dre or aftermath. Not paided, but like a place to live rent free or something (like an apartment possibly).
As for Crooked I seriously don't know what he does for cheese. I guess now he has Slaughter House merch, sells. But I wouldn't be amazed if he has a day job.
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ight now, yall done talked about them niggaz 2 death. what do u genius' know about who that everybody else dont know
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Crooked I is a lawyer in real life.
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(Which I thought was hypocritical that people never dissed 2pac for being a movie star. I guess the 2 kid movies is something people can't get passed considering how old Cube is.)[/b]Dre has Production Skills, new Artist to leech off of. Snoop has TV shows, Movies and other businesses (Sponsorships).
I think most rappers don't spend there money smart though. I mean if you see all the cats, it's only really the Big Names who are smart enough to invest.
Worse comes 2 Worse you've got a Danny Boy Situation where you can't make rent, and do Odd jobs.
PS: I think Bishop Made Money via Concerts, Guess Appearances, and he was probably taken care of via Dre or aftermath. Not paided, but like a place to live rent free or something (like an apartment possibly).
As for Crooked I seriously don't know what he does for cheese. I guess now he has Slaughter House merch, sells. But I wouldn't be amazed if he has a day job.
Yeah Bro, probably has to do with kid movies. If he stayed as Doughboy on every film, some might be happy. I never had a problem with Oshea doing that hustle cuz dude has a family, etc. He need to keep it 100 with whats 100 with him which is family. My problem is him not keepin it 100 with his previous homies. Not slidin J-DEE some dough to help with his case is hoe shit to me. People can say "that ain't his fault or biz" but the truth remains, you can't put a price on loyalty and having someone's back. Bottom Line, some fans need to stop fantasizing that their favorite rappers are roamin the streets bangin on enemies day and night. Few cats have come in the game and been 100 with the streets. The only real killa I can think of who put an album out was SINISTER R.I.P. Everyone else just doin a 9 to 5.
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Here's why I don't get people complaining about Ice Cube's kid movies. The guy is in his 40s, he's married, a family man and he's a millionaire. Plus he's an "actor", ie he portrays characters that are not himself in movies. I don't see how making a movie for kids takes away any more of his credibility than his age and lifestyle already does.
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R.A. barely has an album out yet he's doing shows al over the world.
Most of these underground rappers get paid more off their albums than they're famous peers considering most of them are indie.
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Rappers dont make money really. When they do get it most invest in things, some big some small but most invest in something just good enuf to keep em on their feet. Suga Free got pimpin and BG sells drugs or he used to, same wit all dem Hb niggaz, Wayne included. but im pretty sure theres a broke nigga or two out there.
wayne been signed since he was like 10 he aint never delt shit.
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alot of em go to europe to do shows cause thats the only place their still relevant... no joke..
like the outlawz.. they always in europe..they say the eurowiggers appreciatte them more than here in the US...plus washed up rappers like fatal sell verses to eurowiggers as well
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They make porn, do reality shows and become failed actors.
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They make porn, do reality shows and become failed actors.
snoop still attempts to rap though lol
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They make porn, do reality shows and become failed actors.
snoop still attempts to rap though lol
Oh shit, he has done all three. lol