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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: Twentytwofifty on December 13, 2002, 06:26:26 AM
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TO THE SOURCE FAM:
As the only independent voice for hip-hop, THE SOURCE has a responsibility to remain somewhat of a passive observer and cover events from an objective standpoint. But certain situations require us to speak out and take a more active role. And the ongoing battle between Eminem and Benzino has taken to task issues that we feel affect each and every member of the hip-hop community—and therefore must be addressed.
First of all, the songs aimed at Benzino recently released by Eminem, which attack THE SOURCE’s credibility in the process, are propaganda designed to deflect attention from the real issues. Raymond Scott, aka Benzino, has indeed been a business partner and close friend to THE SOURCE co-founder Dave Mays for a long time, and throughout the years, Dave has supported his music. But don’t get it twisted; Benzino and THE SOURCE are not interchangeable. THE SOURCE has always made it a point to keep Benzino’s music career and the magazine business from interfering with each other. The editorial staff, including the controversial 5-mic committee, has, and always will, operate independently of any outside influences.
THE SOURCE was started out of passion for hip-hop and love for the hip-hop community. Being accepted as the “bible” of hip-hop by over seven million fans monthly is something we take very seriously. Our credibility with the hip-hop audience is the cornerstone of what makes our brand so powerful. THE SOURCE is the only voice that has, for 15 years, accurately chronicled the growth of hip-hop culture.
So when Eminem claims that he’s received unfair treatment in THE SOURCE because of a conflict of interest, where is his qualification? Marshall Mathers was first discovered in THE SOURCE’s Unsigned Hype Column and was given credibility by The SOURCE, throughout his career, through covers, SOURCE Awards, etc. Most recently, in the August ‘02 issue, he was given a highly respected 4-mic rating for his latest album and he even graced the cover of the May ’02 issue.
But unfortunately, even though he seemed to be down with us in the beginning, it appears that Eminem may be becoming a part of a dangerous, corruptive cycle that promotes the blatant theft of a culture from the community that created it. Willingly or not, he is being used as a tool by the corporate machine to steal hip-hop and make it their own. Not since Jazz and Rock’n Roll has a culture influenced so-many people, so quickly, worldwide, the way hip-hop has done, that the powers-that-be felt threatened enough to take it from us.
Hip-hop is the voice of a generation who struggled to make something out of nothing. But now that mainstream media has become extremely comfortable with hip-hop, it’s clear that they’ve begun changing it to fit their standards. Eminem’s blonde-haired, blue-eyed persona has been unanimously accepted, and as a result, he’s become the machine’s poster-boy to influence an audience completely enamored in a once forbidden, predominantly Black and Latino culture.
Just like generations past, when Jazz and Rock’n Roll were lost, it seems that hip-hop culture is being snatched right out from under us. The way things are going, ten years from now, when the mainstream media looks back and explores the topic of hip-hop, it’s quite possible that the important accomplishments of some of our culture’s strongest artists, from Kool Herc and Afrika Bambattaa, to KRS-One to Tupac, will be ignored in favor of familiar faces like Eminem.
As the only truly unrestricted voice for the hip-hop community, THE SOURCE is the one medium that can accurately document and protect our culture’s growth and achievements. With that power comes the responsibility to expose any person or company who affects our culture negatively. In light of the recent chain of events, hip-hop must heed the wake up call. We can’t just sit back while our culture is raped and pillaged. Hip-hop is all we have. We must remain steadfast in our beliefs and ideals.
As hip-hop continues to strengthen itself as the voice for a generation of young people of all racial, socio-economic and ethnic backgrounds, it is only becoming more powerful. It can’t be denied, but as it is embraced by the corporate world and mainstream society, we must not allow outside forces to destroy or take hip-hop away.
The music industry is feeding a lot of people right now—THE SOURCE included, and everybody gotta eat. But what price do we put on our culture? It’s not an easy question to answer. Stay tuned to the February issue of THE SOURCE as we offer testimony from people like media assassin, Harry Allen, who are unafraid to address hip-hop’s current state of emergency…
— GOTTI
Online Editor-In-Chief
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What a bunch of bullshit. It's sad to say, but the end of The Source is coming.
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Fuck The Sauce! ;D
u aint need no mags when u got wcc...
u get everyones opinion on something, unpaid for and unbias'd (ish) ;)
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What a bunch of bullshit.
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Yep...bullshit
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Being accepted as the “bible” of hip-hop by over seven million fans monthly is something we take very seriously.
— GOTTI
Online Editor-In-Chief
wat fucking bullshit....XXL and murderdog are much better...and does anyone have the pic of Marshall Mathers and Unsigned Hype, damn that would be funny
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Fuck The Sauce! ;D
u aint need no mags when u got wcc...
u get everyones opinion on something, unpaid for and unbias'd (ish) ;)
Thats a really, really good point. I haven't bought more than 1 or 2 source's in the last 2 years, and it's mainly cause of this site.
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pay me that money u woulda spent on the source then... ;D j/p
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Fuck The Sauce! ;D
u aint need no mags when u got wcc...
u get everyones opinion on something, unpaid for and unbias'd (ish) ;)
word.....
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To be honest it's quite sickening that a (once) respected publication is trying to feed this crap to the hip hop community. Are they trying to start some kind of race war? Eminem has done great things for hip hop and he's one of only a few artists out right now who seems to be furthering the genre rather than letting it go stagnant (puff, nelly, even jigga).
The mark who wrote this probably had Ray's gun pointed at his head while writing. I know it's bullshit and should be ignored, but c'mon, this is pretty serious shit to be saying.
By the way, I wonder if they're so concerned about all the white people who buy their bullshit magazine? Or is that okay? Wouldn't want the devil to find out about the holy culture would we?
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i know hip hop was founded by blacks but i never knew it was black music...thats like sayin rock is white music...music has no colors...the source is out of line...and considering their co-founder is as white as eminem if not whiter how is he allowing them to write such bullshit?...damn thats a trip....fuck the source really...theyre too east coast for my taste any damn way...i aint no eminem supporter...but i cant stand when people try to categorize music by color
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Man...I will never buy another issue of this corrupted mag.
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Two words.. no.. three..
Murder Dogg
Rime
Axle
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Here we go with the Race Card again. if something happens, blame it on "The powers that be" I cann't BELIEVE THESE assholes have that much gull to say something like that. LOOK AT EMINEM! He's hiphop! He's not friekin' Pat Boone showing up to take over R&B. He's just like any other black artist, he has the same feelings, beliefs, lifestyle, upbringing.
It's the same shit they said about Elvis. Look at elvis, everybody says he stole rock. No he didn't. He just did it better than anybody else, lol. He had just as much soul as any black guy, danced, had rhythm, could sing, and because he's white, for years people have said he stole Rock, called him a racist, all this unfair shit. The same thing is going to happen with Eminem, now, people gotta make a big deal about someones color, when they're the same ones bitching not to make a big deal about someone's color. WTF? Ignorance, man, straight Ignorance.
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To be honest it's quite sickening that a (once) respected publication is trying to feed this crap to the hip hop community. Are they trying to start some kind of race war? Eminem has done great things for hip hop and he's one of only a few artists out right now who seems to be furthering the genre rather than letting it go stagnant (puff, nelly, even jigga).
The mark who wrote this probably had Ray's gun pointed at his head while writing. I know it's bullshit and should be ignored, but c'mon, this is pretty serious shit to be saying.
By the way, I wonder if they're so concerned about all the white people who buy their bullshit magazine? Or is that okay? Wouldn't want the devil to find out about the holy culture would we?
Common knowledge says that 75% of rap is bought by white people. So... they jus screwed themselves, probably.
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To be honest it's quite sickening that a (once) respected publication is trying to feed this crap to the hip hop community. Are they trying to start some kind of race war? Eminem has done great things for hip hop and he's one of only a few artists out right now who seems to be furthering the genre rather than letting it go stagnant (puff, nelly, even jigga).
The mark who wrote this probably had Ray's gun pointed at his head while writing. I know it's bullshit and should be ignored, but c'mon, this is pretty serious shit to be saying.
By the way, I wonder if they're so concerned about all the white people who buy their bullshit magazine? Or is that okay? Wouldn't want the devil to find out about the holy culture would we?
I agree 100%. I'm cancelling my subscription. The Source sucks now anyway. It's more of a soft porn magazine than a hip-hop magazine.
And don't forget though that XXL has been calling Eminem a culture stealer from the beggining as well. Even though they have-heartedly apologized and said they were wrong.
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I have always defended The Source and it pisses me off when people bashed on their rating system cause the rating system on other mags are worse, that's the truth. But they have finally lost all thier credibility.
How the hell can they say that Benzino stays away from what's in the mag, and doesn't effect what's published when C.L.E. get 4.5 mics (which is bullshit) and Eminem/Shady Records isn't even in the power 30 (more bullshit), and they will see how powerful he is when they see thier sales in the next couple of months, watch.
I actually wanna see The Source go out of business now.
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i know hip hop was founded by blacks but i never knew it was black music...thats like sayin rock is white music...music has no colors...the source is out of line...and considering their co-founder is as white as eminem if not whiter how is he allowing them to write such bullshit?...damn thats a trip....fuck the source really...theyre too east coast for my taste any damn way...i aint no eminem supporter...but i cant stand when people try to categorize music by color
someone fill me in, is benzino white?
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Yup, LOL. Unbelievable, right?
"Oh... Don't Get it Twisted... The Source Is owned by a WHITE GUY!" - Eminem at the end of Nail in the Coffin
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I can't believe this shit.The sauce is a magazine full of contradictions.First of all they talk about hiphop going mainstream but don't acknowledge that they they are the ones with all these fukin ad's that say Ja Rule.Jay Z,etc going platinum all the time.Benzino is just tryin to sell records and he has to come at em even with no crediblity.I betcha this dumbass who wrote this article had a gun to his head held by benzino.He talks about em being the poster boy for this so called machine but doesn't realize his magazine helped em become the poster.This fukin mag is just hatin because Ja Fool and other east coast artist ain't blowin up like em.ps FUKKK the SAUCE.
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someone fill me in, is benzino white?
I believe he's mixed-race. When Em said "the source has a white owner" he was referring to David Mays.
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i haven't really been following the Eminem - Benzino feud... Who started the dissin?
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someone fill me in, is benzino white?
I believe he's mixed-race. When Em said "the source has a white owner" he was referring to David Mays.
Oh, lol. Sorry. In one of the disses, Em says "What do you know about bein' dissed for most of your life; Oh, That's right, you should know what that's Like, I forgot, You're Half White"
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Unbelievable bullshit... There ain't nuthin' I got to add to this, you've said it all 'bout the race issue & Elvis comparisons 'n stuff... Except that I been sleeping this whole time: Warren G said "Fuck The Source!" way back in '94 in the thank you's of Regulate... G-Funk Era and I should've taken heed when I got into listenin' to hip-hop & bought that album...
Who needs that fag mag anyway... We got DubCC & the whole community of connected sites at the top of the page. That's where I'll be getting my info from...
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i thought benzino was mixed race. The source r doing a bitch move playing the race card.
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the source talkin about how the culture of hip hop is being destroyed there the ones putting lil romeo on the front cover.
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i haven't really been following the Eminem - Benzino feud... Who started the dissin?
Benzino
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Here we go with the Race Card again. if something happens, blame it on "The powers that be" I cann't BELIEVE THESE assholes have that much gull to say something like that. LOOK AT EMINEM! He's hiphop! He's not friekin' Pat Boone showing up to take over R&B. He's just like any other black artist, he has the same feelings, beliefs, lifestyle, upbringing.
It's the same shit they said about Elvis. Look at elvis, everybody says he stole rock. No he didn't. He just did it better than anybody else, lol. He had just as much soul as any black guy, danced, had rhythm, could sing, and because he's white, for years people have said he stole Rock, called him a racist, all this unfair shit. The same thing is going to happen with Eminem, now, people gotta make a big deal about someones color, when they're the same ones bitching not to make a big deal about someone's color. WTF? Ignorance, man, straight Ignorance.
Exactly right
Sure, I will admit perhaps being white helped Eminem get a little more attention because he was a white man in a mostly Latino or African-American world. But it wasnt just cause of that, there were other white rappers who never got as much attention or even were laughed like Vanilla Ice & Milkbone. It was because Eminem had the skills, he also had a person like Dre who can bring out the best in alot of artists, & also Eminem is charismatic, controversial & good looking.
Also this bullshit about whites STEALING FROM BLACKS. Blacks speak the English language, which was created by white man, Does that mean they cant speak english now. No, so why should it be different for music
Besides, if anyone wants to talk about stealing a culture, it should be the Source, as a white man owns it & Benzino is quater-white, quater-black (i think) & half WACK (the last one is confirmed!).
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at least its entertaining..the songs that is...but this commentary is idiotic....thats like a rock magazine saying: the roots are stealing our culture for using a band, theyre the black devils....could u imagine the uproar that would cause?...its ridiculous...
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Fuck The Sauce! ;D
u aint need no mags when u got wcc...
u get everyones opinion on something, unpaid for and unbias'd (ish) ;)
;D
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i know hip hop was founded by blacks but i never knew it was black music...thats like sayin rock is white music...music has no colors...the source is out of line...and considering their co-founder is as white as eminem if not whiter how is he allowing them to write such bullshit?...damn thats a trip....fuck the source really...theyre too east coast for my taste any damn way...i aint no eminem supporter...but i cant stand when people try to categorize music by color
someone fill me in, is benzino white?
Benzino is HALF white...
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whenever xxl and eminem had beef everybody was sayin fuck xxl now that the source and eminem ya'll sayin da same thing fuck the source..I SAY FUCK EMINEM...ENINEM AINT SHIT TO BE DISSIN NO ONE WHEN IT COMES TO HIP HOP CUZ WE CREATED IT AND IAM SURE BLACK PEOPLE CANT DO ROCK N ROLL AND OTHER WHITE MUSIC CUZ THEY AINT GONA GET ANY LOVE...BLACK PEOPLE FIGHT FOR HIP HOP FOR HOW LONG AND NOW WHEN IT REACHES COMMERCIAL SUCCESS EMINEM TAKIN ADVANTAGE OF IT..FUCK EMINEM!!!!...P.S..FUCK ANY OTHER MUTHAFUCKA THAT SAY IT AINT
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I don't think that anybody here is saying "fuck The Source" 'cause they're dissing Eminem, it's 'cause of the bitch move The Source is pulling here: raising the race issue - as if there wasn't enough racism in this world already - and clearly taking sides with its owner.
Source? Hip-hop bible?? Oh HELL NO!!
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>:( i will slap the piss out of that writer....................
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whenever xxl and eminem had beef everybody was sayin fuck xxl now that the source and eminem ya'll sayin da same thing fuck the source..I SAY FUCK EMINEM...ENINEM AINT SHIT TO BE DISSIN NO ONE WHEN IT COMES TO HIP HOP CUZ WE CREATED IT AND IAM SURE BLACK PEOPLE CANT DO ROCK N ROLL AND OTHER WHITE MUSIC CUZ THEY AINT GONA GET ANY LOVE...BLACK PEOPLE FIGHT FOR HIP HOP FOR HOW LONG AND NOW WHEN IT REACHES COMMERCIAL SUCCESS EMINEM TAKIN ADVANTAGE OF IT..FUCK EMINEM!!!!...P.S..FUCK ANY OTHER MUTHAFUCKA THAT SAY IT AINT
Umm, I don't know what planet you live on but where i'm from there's many black folx in rock music. It ain't about colour anyway, and that type of attitude is what The Source is basically promoting, and it's WRONG. Some of the most respected black MC's in hip-hop recognise the talent and give props to Em, he has the skills to back his success. Look at Vanilla Ice, he basically sold out and he payed for it, he was out of hip-hop in the same year he released his record, Em has been here for a while now and by the looks of things he ain't going anywhere, but not because of his colour but because he's a quality artist, he lives and breathes hip-hop, he's no one hit wonder making a mockery out of one genre of music and then jumping to the next (Vanilla Ice). The Source's owner is probably only letting them pull the 'race card' so he can feel more black himself, pathetic.
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whenever xxl and eminem had beef everybody was sayin fuck xxl now that the source and eminem ya'll sayin da same thing fuck the source..I SAY FUCK EMINEM...ENINEM AINT SHIT TO BE DISSIN NO ONE WHEN IT COMES TO HIP HOP CUZ WE CREATED IT AND IAM SURE BLACK PEOPLE CANT DO ROCK N ROLL AND OTHER WHITE MUSIC CUZ THEY AINT GONA GET ANY LOVE...BLACK PEOPLE FIGHT FOR HIP HOP FOR HOW LONG AND NOW WHEN IT REACHES COMMERCIAL SUCCESS EMINEM TAKIN ADVANTAGE OF IT..FUCK EMINEM!!!!...P.S..FUCK ANY OTHER MUTHAFUCKA THAT SAY IT AINT
Fuck anyone that says it aint. Well come try fuck with this & we will see
There is no, "we" & "us", we are all humans, we are individuals.
& if there is a "we" or "us" being made, then you shouldnt speak english because you're black & white people made that. You're saying the same thing except the other way around. If anything, you & THE SOURCE are being racist, you are disrespecting white people. If it was the other way around you'd be running the the AAC & thats the truth
I aint into "we" 's & "us" 's, to me thats dividing. We are all human, Eminem has skill as I have stated it isnt just about his skin color though that helps, just as a black ice hockey player would stand out in NHL.
As far as the Source, i've been saying FUCK THE SOURCE for over 2 years because I saw all the bullshit they pulled by fucking up the mic system, i was saying (along with others) that the mic system was fucked these days that everythings gets a 4 mic these days & if you get 3.5 you're a piece of shit. Eminem just happens to agree
XXL i have always liked despite a few little things. The real beef between Em & XXL was that when Em wasnt blown up they refused to do an article on him just because he was white, which is racist. & when he did blow up they suddenly wanted him in the magazine & he declined, thats when they wrote all that shit about him & later apologized
I'm not even a big Eminem fan, this is more in response to the Source's hypocritical letter to Eminem.
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whenever xxl and eminem had beef everybody was sayin fuck xxl now that the source and eminem ya'll sayin da same thing fuck the source..I SAY FUCK EMINEM...ENINEM AINT SHIT TO BE DISSIN NO ONE WHEN IT COMES TO HIP HOP CUZ WE CREATED IT AND IAM SURE BLACK PEOPLE CANT DO ROCK N ROLL AND OTHER WHITE MUSIC CUZ THEY AINT GONA GET ANY LOVE...BLACK PEOPLE FIGHT FOR HIP HOP FOR HOW LONG AND NOW WHEN IT REACHES COMMERCIAL SUCCESS EMINEM TAKIN ADVANTAGE OF IT..FUCK EMINEM!!!!...P.S..FUCK ANY OTHER MUTHAFUCKA THAT SAY IT AINT
Umm, I don't know what planet you live on but where i'm from there's many black folx in rock music. It ain't about colour anyway, and that type of attitude is what The Source is basically promoting, and it's WRONG. Some of the most respected black MC's in hip-hop recognise the talent and give props to Em, he has the skills to back his success. Look at Vanilla Ice, he basically sold out and he payed for it, he was out of hip-hop in the same year he released his record, Em has been here for a while now and by the looks of things he ain't going anywhere, but not because of his colour but because he's a quality artist, he lives and breathes hip-hop, he's no one hit wonder making a mockery out of one genre of music and then jumping to the next (Vanilla Ice). The Source's owner is probably only letting them pull the 'race card' so he can feel more black himself, pathetic.
Exactly right
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I don't think that anybody here is saying "fuck The Source" 'cause they're dissing Eminem, it's 'cause of the bitch move The Source is pulling here: raising the race issue - as if there wasn't enough racism in this world already - and clearly taking sides with its owner.
Source? Hip-hop bible?? Oh HELL NO!!
exactly
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By the way black people started rock n roll, then elvis came and took it over. I don't think people can say that white people stole rock n roll, because elvis was talented just like eminem. The reason rock n roll is now dominated by white people, is because now young black people are not interested in it. It isn't that white people stole rock 'n' roll, it's that the majority of black people abandoned it when elvis came. Hip-hop can never be stolen. Hip hop is for everyone, who are people gonna steal it from? - It's a culture, not a colour. If hip-hop is gonna be dominated by white people, then it's because blacks and other minorites will abandon it- to quote from makaveli's white man's world 'we'll never leave unless we choose too' or something like that.
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whenever xxl and eminem had beef everybody was sayin fuck xxl now that the source and eminem ya'll sayin da same thing fuck the source..I SAY FUCK EMINEM...ENINEM AINT SHIT TO BE DISSIN NO ONE WHEN IT COMES TO HIP HOP CUZ WE CREATED IT AND IAM SURE BLACK PEOPLE CANT DO ROCK N ROLL AND OTHER WHITE MUSIC CUZ THEY AINT GONA GET ANY LOVE...BLACK PEOPLE FIGHT FOR HIP HOP FOR HOW LONG AND NOW WHEN IT REACHES COMMERCIAL SUCCESS EMINEM TAKIN ADVANTAGE OF IT..FUCK EMINEM!!!!...P.S..FUCK ANY OTHER MUTHAFUCKA THAT SAY IT AINT
That made just about no sense at all.