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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: Sccit on July 14, 2010, 10:25:56 PM
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http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/fp/flashPollResultsState?sportIndex=nba&pollId=94091
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LOL @ ohio 18%
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KOBE WAY BETTER THAN LEBRON
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LOL, right. Because LeBron isn't the most hated player in the league today. :laugh:
Think about how stupid that argument sounds; the ONLY thing that Kobe has on LeBron is a jumpshot & LeBron's is undoubtedly improving.
The other things Kobe has over LeBron is "clutchness", "leadership skills" & "desire"; ALL THINGS THAT CANNOT BE PROVED.
LeBron is better with the ball, a better passer, a better driver, a more unstoppable force on the break, a better shot blocker, a better rebounder; they are similar defenders; but I'll even allow you to give that to Kobe. Plus LeBron is undeniably the better build/more athletic player.
All Kobe can say is he has the unproveable intangibles & flash his Shaq-given rings & then you mock LeBron for playing with Wade lmfao.
& don't front, you're that nutrider where you would make threads like "Today's Lakers >>> Showtime lakers" or "Today's Lakers >>> 3Peat Lakers"; but the ONLY reason you don't is to make your team seem inferior to give the credit to Kobe to say "Kobe >>> LeBron". HOW SAD! :laugh:
EDIT: Honestly, this poll is like asking, "Who would you rather be freinds with? Lance Armstrong or a terrorist?".
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LOL, right. Because LeBron isn't the most hated player in the league today. :laugh:
Think about how stupid that argument sounds; the ONLY thing that Kobe has on LeBron is a jumpshot & LeBron's is undoubtedly improving.
The other things Kobe has over LeBron is "clutchness", "leadership skills" & "desire"; ALL THINGS THAT CANNOT BE PROVED.
LeBron is better with the ball, a better passer, a better driver, a more unstoppable force on the break, a better shot blocker, a better rebounder; they are similar defenders; but I'll even allow you to give that to Kobe. Plus LeBron is undeniably the better build/more athletic player.
All Kobe can say is he has the unproveable intangibles & flash his Shaq-given rings & then you mock LeBron for playing with Wade lmfao.
& don't front, you're that nutrider where you would make threads like "Today's Lakers >>> Showtime lakers" or "Today's Lakers >>> 3Peat Lakers"; but the ONLY reason you don't is to make your team seem inferior to give the credit to Kobe to say "Kobe >>> LeBron". HOW SAD! :laugh:
EDIT: Honestly, this poll is like asking, "Who would you rather be freinds with? Lance Armstrong or a terrorist?".
You're an idiot...STFU
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LOL, right. Because LeBron isn't the most hated player in the league today. :laugh:
He's the most hated player in the league, you're right. But considering Kobe just won the title, I don't think the results would be that much different had LeBron stayed, outside of Ohio and maybe Boston.
The poll asked who is "greater", and greatness isn't a stat battle. It's a battle of accolades and impact. I swear, some of you guys need to get it through your heads, there's a reason every single NBA player and coach still says Kobe is the best in the league, including LEBRON HIMSELF. Even Jordan said it. Even LeBron's most recent teammate/Kobe hater Shaquille O'Neal said it.
People who are on the court aren't worrying about stat sheets being filled up, they worry about what they see on the court. Intangibles matter, and yes, leadership and clutchness matter, whether or not you seem to think they don't.
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Lebron= Freak athlete, probably the greatest athlete in NBA history. However, he's also shown that he's a complete diva and hasn't even won a game in the finals.
Kobe= Greatest player in the modern era and conclusively one of the GOATS. LeBron will have his day but he's gonna have to wait for Kobe to retire. Dude's got too much heart and passion to pass the torch anytime soon. LeBron will be lucky to be mentioned in the same sentence as Kobe.
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^Things will look different after the Heat STOMP on LA in the Finals with LeBron getting the Finals MVP averaging 25-7-12 on 55% shooting opposed to Kobe going for 22-3-3 on 36%
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The other things Kobe has over LeBron is "clutchness", "leadership skills" & "desire"; ALL THINGS THAT CANNOT BE PROVED.
As a fan of sports, playing and watching, I still can't believe you're actually trying to sell this shit.
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^Things will look different after the Heat STOMP on LA in the Finals with LeBron getting the Finals MVP averaging 25-7-12 on 55% shooting opposed to Kobe going for 22-3-3 on 36%
We'll see 8), I'd like to act like I really care but my FUCKING TEAM GOT JACKED
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Kobe vs Lebron thread number 7825420455 ....
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boston and miami are not states
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boston and miami are not states
damn...you're a fuckin genius.
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Polls a lot of times are nonsense. You cant ask the fans shit. And you cant use polls for your argument...and then complain when Yao gets more all star votes than anyone else lol. Polls are based off of "fans" votes, and fans are idiots sometimes. Clearly the Lakers have more fans than the Cavs...and Heat combined lol. There will be far more people voting for Kobe simply due to being Laker fans. Not to mention, when was this poll created?? Timing is EVERYTHING with a poll. The Lakers just won a title. The world hates Lebron right now. You can manipulate a poll based on when you create it. If Lebron just won a title, and Kobe didnt...they would be the same players. Their skill level wouldnt be different because one team won and one didnt. But the poll results would be completely tilted the other way because of the timing.
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Polls a lot of times are nonsense. You cant ask the fans shit. And you cant use polls for your argument...and then complain when Yao gets more all star votes than anyone else lol. Polls are based off of "fans" votes, and fans are idiots sometimes. Clearly the Lakers have more fans than the Cavs...and Heat combined lol. There will be far more people voting for Kobe simply due to being Laker fans. Not to mention, when was this poll created?? Timing is EVERYTHING with a poll. The Lakers just won a title. The world hates Lebron right now. You can manipulate a poll based on when you create it. If Lebron just won a title, and Kobe didnt...they would be the same players. Their skill level wouldnt be different because one team won and one didnt. But the poll results would be completely tilted the other way because of the timing.
Yea...I'm pretty sure that Miami and Boston have more Laker/Kobe fans than Heat/LeBron fans. You are a Kobe nutrider, way more than I can ever be...cut the bullshit and face the facts.
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During the season, everybody was trying to say that Lebron had become the best player in the NBA, but now after the season, it's clear again that Lebron is not on Kobe's level. It was a big year for Kobe, and with Lebron now signing with Wade, even if Lebron wins the championship people will still say Kobe is better.
The only challenge for Kobe now is to try to surpass Michael Jordan as the best player in history. Kobe has 5 rings, he really needs to get that 6th and 7th to be in the discussion.
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Polls a lot of times are nonsense. You cant ask the fans shit. And you cant use polls for your argument...and then complain when Yao gets more all star votes than anyone else lol. Polls are based off of "fans" votes, and fans are idiots sometimes. Clearly the Lakers have more fans than the Cavs...and Heat combined lol. There will be far more people voting for Kobe simply due to being Laker fans. Not to mention, when was this poll created?? Timing is EVERYTHING with a poll. The Lakers just won a title. The world hates Lebron right now. You can manipulate a poll based on when you create it. If Lebron just won a title, and Kobe didnt...they would be the same players. Their skill level wouldnt be different because one team won and one didnt. But the poll results would be completely tilted the other way because of the timing.
Yea...I'm pretty sure that Miami and Boston have more Laker/Kobe fans than Heat/LeBron fans. You are a Kobe nutrider, way more than I can ever be...cut the bullshit and face the facts.
Boy please. The fact remains, during most of the season LeBron was considered the best....by analysts as well. The Lakers win the title and the world hates Lebron right now, and now he isnt the best. Im not saying Kobe ISNT better than Lebron, and Im not saying he is. Im saying polls from fans are bullshit and everyone knows it. Casual basketball fans tend to have a hard time thinking of anything that isnt NOW. Thats why you had so many people saying ridiculous shit like "Rondo is the best PG in the league" heading into the finals. Not because he is...but because he was what was happening at that moment.
And once again...you need to review the meaning of nutrider. Cmon NIK, admit it. You were turned on by those "White Heat" pictures werent you?!
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Polls a lot of times are nonsense. You cant ask the fans shit. And you cant use polls for your argument...and then complain when Yao gets more all star votes than anyone else lol. Polls are based off of "fans" votes, and fans are idiots sometimes. Clearly the Lakers have more fans than the Cavs...and Heat combined lol. There will be far more people voting for Kobe simply due to being Laker fans. Not to mention, when was this poll created?? Timing is EVERYTHING with a poll. The Lakers just won a title. The world hates Lebron right now. You can manipulate a poll based on when you create it. If Lebron just won a title, and Kobe didnt...they would be the same players. Their skill level wouldnt be different because one team won and one didnt. But the poll results would be completely tilted the other way because of the timing.
Yea...I'm pretty sure that Miami and Boston have more Laker/Kobe fans than Heat/LeBron fans. You are a Kobe nutrider, way more than I can ever be...cut the bullshit and face the facts.
Boy please. The fact remains, during most of the season LeBron was considered the best....by analysts as well. The Lakers win the title and the world hates Lebron right now, and now he isnt the best. Im not saying Kobe ISNT better than Lebron, and Im not saying he is. Im saying polls from fans are bullshit and everyone knows it. Casual basketball fans tend to have a hard time thinking of anything that isnt NOW. Thats why you had so many people saying ridiculous shit like "Rondo is the best PG in the league" heading into the finals. Not because he is...but because he was what was happening at that moment.
And once again...you need to review the meaning of nutrider. Cmon NIK, admit it. You were turned on by those "White Heat" pictures werent you?!
during most of the season, lebron was also mentioned alongside the all-time goats and was even predicted by many to end up greater than jordan, when that was clearly not the case in the minds of the true basketball heads...the point of this thread is really to show how ridiculous all the overhyping of lebron was before he left cleveland...now that the hype has finally started to neutralize itself, and now that the media isn't sucking lebrons nuts as hard, even casual nba fans and former lebron apologists are starting to realize how much more lebron needs to accomplish before he reaches greatness. lebron is currently a wade, a carmelo, a t-mac and vince carter in their prime...he is nowhere near kobe, and the results of this poll, even in the states where kobe is hated and lebron is loved, are finally looking accurate- but it's not the reason kobe is much greater.. it's just nice to finally be able to prove that the lebron hype really had the whole nation, including the dicklicking media, blind as shit and overrating lebron like a mufucka...kobe is the clear-cut greatest player of this generation, and the whole lebronmania bullshit over the past 7 years has sadly overshadowed that. in my opinion, only when kobe is finally retired will people see the whole picture for what it is...and you hate kobe, clearly. LOL. your dislike for him even seems to be greater than your like for your own team...same goes for 7even. cham, i think he's just more of a lebron dicklicker, than a kobe hater...but you and 7even clearly just hate kobe and anything laker related. ya'll are the three fuckin stooges on here.
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LOL, right. Because LeBron isn't the most hated player in the league today. :laugh:
Think about how stupid that argument sounds; the ONLY thing that Kobe has on LeBron is a jumpshot & LeBron's is undoubtedly improving.
The other things Kobe has over LeBron is "clutchness", "leadership skills" & "desire"; ALL THINGS THAT CANNOT BE PROVED.
LeBron is better with the ball, a better passer, a better driver, a more unstoppable force on the break, a better shot blocker, a better rebounder; they are similar defenders; but I'll even allow you to give that to Kobe. Plus LeBron is undeniably the better build/more athletic player.
All Kobe can say is he has the unproveable intangibles & flash his Shaq-given rings & then you mock LeBron for playing with Wade lmfao.
& don't front, you're that nutrider where you would make threads like "Today's Lakers >>> Showtime lakers" or "Today's Lakers >>> 3Peat Lakers"; but the ONLY reason you don't is to make your team seem inferior to give the credit to Kobe to say "Kobe >>> LeBron". HOW SAD! :laugh:
EDIT: Honestly, this poll is like asking, "Who would you rather be freinds with? Lance Armstrong or a terrorist?".
You're an idiot...STFU
LOL, that's what I thought. Nice response.
The other things Kobe has over LeBron is "clutchness", "leadership skills" & "desire"; ALL THINGS THAT CANNOT BE PROVED.
As a fan of sports, playing and watching, I still can't believe you're actually trying to sell this shit.
Alright, so tell me what Kobe has on LeBron...
How isn't that an accurate description of the situation? It's the truth.
LOL, right. Because LeBron isn't the most hated player in the league today. :laugh:
He's the most hated player in the league, you're right. But considering Kobe just won the title, I don't think the results would be that much different had LeBron stayed, outside of Ohio and maybe Boston.
The poll asked who is "greater", and greatness isn't a stat battle. It's a battle of accolades and impact. I swear, some of you guys need to get it through your heads, there's a reason every single NBA player and coach still says Kobe is the best in the league, including LEBRON HIMSELF. Even Jordan said it. Even LeBron's most recent teammate/Kobe hater Shaquille O'Neal said it.
People who are on the court aren't worrying about stat sheets being filled up, they worry about what they see on the court. Intangibles matter, and yes, leadership and clutchness matter, whether or not you seem to think they don't.
Well if it's a question of accolades, it's a pretty retarded question, don't you think? ::)
Why ask a question you know the answer to? He was a PART of winning five rings.
& regardless it's a popularity contest & a lot of people don't like LeBron's act.
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http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshh3qj2SDwXqP99fQ3S
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I'm considering a Kobe and Lebron fucking sticky thread, jesus fucking christ.
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Tell me not, if he said it the other way around all of you would say, "He's an asshole with no credibility". :laugh:
LeBron was being compared to the next Jordan when he was still playing High School games, where Kobe has basically been given the stamp of second to Jordan after Shaq gave him his rings.
If I was Jordan, looking at a 25 year old whose got years left & just signed to one of the most talented teams on paper in the history of the game & add in that he was being compared to me before he even got drafted; I'd naturally have a little something against LeBron too.
But now if he's asked in a week, "Whose better? You or Kobe?" & he looks and says "Obviously me", you all turn and call him an idiot lol.
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wow big surprise here, NIK makes another thread about how great Kobe is :sleep: :sleep:
anyways, right now Kobe is the better player and has had the better career, but I do believe LeBron will blow by Kobe sometime in the next few years, and maybe even challenge Michael for the best all time....Kobe has no chance of being considered better than Mike. Its not even close. He might be the closest things weve seen since Jordan, but it ends there.
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Tell me not, if he said it the other way around all of you would say, "He's an asshole with no credibility". :laugh:
LeBron was being compared to the next Jordan when he was still playing High School games, where Kobe has basically been given the stamp of second to Jordan after Shaq gave him his rings.
If I was Jordan, looking at a 25 year old whose got years left & just signed to one of the most talented teams on paper in the history of the game & add in that he was being compared to me before he even got drafted; I'd naturally have a little something against LeBron too.
But now if he's asked in a week, "Whose better? You or Kobe?" & he looks and says "Obviously me", you all turn and call him an idiot lol.
Yeah Ive made that argument before too lol. Jordan isnt gonna give Lebron the nod, when Lebron still has a chance of at least reaching his level. I doubt he will, but he is the only one currently who has a shot. Jordan is wise enough to know that Kobe already wont reach his level.
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wow big surprise here, NIK makes another thread about how great Kobe is :sleep: :sleep:
anyways, right now Kobe is the better player and has had the better career, but I do believe LeBron will blow by Kobe sometime in the next few years, and maybe even challenge Michael for the best all time....Kobe has no chance of being considered better than Mike. Its not even close. He might be the closest things weve seen since Jordan, but it ends there.
lebron will never challenge MJ for nuthin he just fuckd that all up by goin to MIA
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Ok....so.....you dont define yourself as a Kobe nutrider even though you would gladly suck his dick as long as he didnt charge you too much to do it. But you define me as a nutrider because I dont want to suck his dick like you do. In your head you think that anyone who isnt in love with him and claim he is the best at everything, 100% of their lives, must be a hater...and therefor, a "nutrider". If your backwards ass definition of what a "nutrider" is, is true. Wouldnt that be someone who...makes threads about how another person ISNT the best?! Constantly talks about someone ELSE and how they arent great?! hmm...sound familiar??
Polls a lot of times are nonsense. You cant ask the fans shit. And you cant use polls for your argument...and then complain when Yao gets more all star votes than anyone else lol. Polls are based off of "fans" votes, and fans are idiots sometimes. Clearly the Lakers have more fans than the Cavs...and Heat combined lol. There will be far more people voting for Kobe simply due to being Laker fans. Not to mention, when was this poll created?? Timing is EVERYTHING with a poll. The Lakers just won a title. The world hates Lebron right now. You can manipulate a poll based on when you create it. If Lebron just won a title, and Kobe didnt...they would be the same players. Their skill level wouldnt be different because one team won and one didnt. But the poll results would be completely tilted the other way because of the timing.
Yea...I'm pretty sure that Miami and Boston have more Laker/Kobe fans than Heat/LeBron fans. You are a Kobe nutrider, way more than I can ever be...cut the bullshit and face the facts.
Boy please. The fact remains, during most of the season LeBron was considered the best....by analysts as well. The Lakers win the title and the world hates Lebron right now, and now he isnt the best. Im not saying Kobe ISNT better than Lebron, and Im not saying he is. Im saying polls from fans are bullshit and everyone knows it. Casual basketball fans tend to have a hard time thinking of anything that isnt NOW. Thats why you had so many people saying ridiculous shit like "Rondo is the best PG in the league" heading into the finals. Not because he is...but because he was what was happening at that moment.
And once again...you need to review the meaning of nutrider. Cmon NIK, admit it. You were turned on by those "White Heat" pictures werent you?!
during most of the season, lebron was also mentioned alongside the all-time goats and was even predicted by many to end up greater than jordan, when that was clearly not the case in the minds of the true basketball heads...the point of this thread is really to show how ridiculous all the overhyping of lebron was before he left cleveland...now that the hype has finally started to neutralize itself, and now that the media isn't sucking lebrons nuts as hard, even casual nba fans and former lebron apologists are starting to realize how much more lebron needs to accomplish before he reaches greatness. lebron is currently a wade, a carmelo, a t-mac and vince carter in their prime...he is nowhere near kobe, and the results of this poll, even in the states where kobe is hated and lebron is loved, are finally looking accurate- but it's not the reason kobe is much greater.. it's just nice to finally be able to prove that the lebron hype really had the whole nation, including the dicklicking media, blind as shit and overrating lebron like a mufucka...kobe is the clear-cut greatest player of this generation, and the whole lebronmania bullshit over the past 7 years has sadly overshadowed that. in my opinion, only when kobe is finally retired will people see the whole picture for what it is...and you hate kobe, clearly. LOL. your dislike for him even seems to be greater than your like for your own team...same goes for 7even. cham, i think he's just more of a lebron dicklicker, than a kobe hater...but you and 7even clearly just hate kobe and anything laker related. ya'll are the three fuckin stooges on here.
You mentioned Lebrons name 10 times in that one paragraph...
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Ok....so.....you dont define yourself as a Kobe nutrider even though you would gladly suck his dick as long as he didnt charge you too much to do it. But you define me as a nutrider because I dont want to suck his dick like you do. In your head you think that anyone who isnt in love with him and claim he is the best at everything, 100% of their lives, must be a hater...and therefor, a "nutrider". If your backwards ass definition of what a "nutrider" is, is true. Wouldnt that be someone who...makes threads about how another person ISNT the best?! Constantly talks about someone ELSE and how they arent great?! hmm...sound familiar??
Polls a lot of times are nonsense. You cant ask the fans shit. And you cant use polls for your argument...and then complain when Yao gets more all star votes than anyone else lol. Polls are based off of "fans" votes, and fans are idiots sometimes. Clearly the Lakers have more fans than the Cavs...and Heat combined lol. There will be far more people voting for Kobe simply due to being Laker fans. Not to mention, when was this poll created?? Timing is EVERYTHING with a poll. The Lakers just won a title. The world hates Lebron right now. You can manipulate a poll based on when you create it. If Lebron just won a title, and Kobe didnt...they would be the same players. Their skill level wouldnt be different because one team won and one didnt. But the poll results would be completely tilted the other way because of the timing.
Yea...I'm pretty sure that Miami and Boston have more Laker/Kobe fans than Heat/LeBron fans. You are a Kobe nutrider, way more than I can ever be...cut the bullshit and face the facts.
Boy please. The fact remains, during most of the season LeBron was considered the best....by analysts as well. The Lakers win the title and the world hates Lebron right now, and now he isnt the best. Im not saying Kobe ISNT better than Lebron, and Im not saying he is. Im saying polls from fans are bullshit and everyone knows it. Casual basketball fans tend to have a hard time thinking of anything that isnt NOW. Thats why you had so many people saying ridiculous shit like "Rondo is the best PG in the league" heading into the finals. Not because he is...but because he was what was happening at that moment.
And once again...you need to review the meaning of nutrider. Cmon NIK, admit it. You were turned on by those "White Heat" pictures werent you?!
during most of the season, lebron was also mentioned alongside the all-time goats and was even predicted by many to end up greater than jordan, when that was clearly not the case in the minds of the true basketball heads...the point of this thread is really to show how ridiculous all the overhyping of lebron was before he left cleveland...now that the hype has finally started to neutralize itself, and now that the media isn't sucking lebrons nuts as hard, even casual nba fans and former lebron apologists are starting to realize how much more lebron needs to accomplish before he reaches greatness. lebron is currently a wade, a carmelo, a t-mac and vince carter in their prime...he is nowhere near kobe, and the results of this poll, even in the states where kobe is hated and lebron is loved, are finally looking accurate- but it's not the reason kobe is much greater.. it's just nice to finally be able to prove that the lebron hype really had the whole nation, including the dicklicking media, blind as shit and overrating lebron like a mufucka...kobe is the clear-cut greatest player of this generation, and the whole lebronmania bullshit over the past 7 years has sadly overshadowed that. in my opinion, only when kobe is finally retired will people see the whole picture for what it is...and you hate kobe, clearly. LOL. your dislike for him even seems to be greater than your like for your own team...same goes for 7even. cham, i think he's just more of a lebron dicklicker, than a kobe hater...but you and 7even clearly just hate kobe and anything laker related. ya'll are the three fuckin stooges on here.
You mentioned Lebrons name 10 times in that one paragraph...
Shit...11! Missed one...
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i disagree if kobe was in the league during the jordan era i dont think jordan would have been so celebrated.
-the main things jordan did to fuck up his legacy was leaving and coming back....over and over.
-leaving the bulls for the wizards
the rules in the 90s was a lil more lax too.
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i disagree if kobe was in the league during the jordan era i dont think jordan would have been so celebrated.
-the main things jordan did to fuck up his legacy was leaving and coming back....over and over.
-leaving the bulls for the wizards
the rules in the 90s was a lil more lax too.
the rules then actually would have hurt Kobe's game. The league has done a lot over the years to help offensive players.
The thing is, Jordans accolades FAR outweigh Kobe's and he will have done it with less seasons played than Kobe when its all said and done. Unless Kobe retires this year. Kobe has no chance whatsoever to catch Jordan on several categories, including Scoring titles where Jordan has dusted him. Which sucks for Kobe fans, cus offense is the only category Kobe could try to compete with Jordan. MJ was clearly the better defensive player.
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for sure im not implying kobe was better but he has been "jordan-esque" at times...
kobe is the closest thing to a jordan this generations gonna ever see.
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for sure im not implying kobe was better but he has been "jordan-esque" at times...
kobe is the closest thing to a jordan this generations gonna ever see.
Yeah I dunno man. I always hated the "Jordan-eque" shit. Cus its limited for players who simply play in a certain style. Harold Miner, Kendall Gill, etc....all Jordan-esque. The reason I think LeBron is the only one right now who has a shot at being on Jordans level, is because it will take someone who has the skill on the court, the charisma, the marketability, etc. Like Ive said before about Jordan. You KNEW you were watching the best ever when he was still playing. You knew he was better than Bird, better than Magic, better than anyone. You cant say that about anyone since then though. Not even LeBron yet. But seeing as how Kobe's career is in the later years and there is no real argument out there (other than by Kobe fans) that Kobe is the greatest ever...we already know he cant reach Jordans level. Kobe typically isnt even the clear cut best NOW. He is always involved in a debate over who is the best.
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i have to agree if jordan was to say he was better than kobe, the kobe nut riders would say what does he know he played in the 90's. the era that jordan played in was way more physical with better overall teams. If you aslk any real basketball fan who they think is better between a 32 Jordan or Kobe the smart person would easiy choose Jordan.
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Hold up cham...after shaq gave him his rings? What has shaq done without kobe? Lol and please wade won that ring
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Hold up cham...after shaq gave him his rings? What has shaq done without kobe? Lol and please wade won that ring
Different points in their careers tho. Shaq was definitely the focal point of those three championships with Kobe. Kobe has been the better player since then as Shaq has aged. But during their three-peat, Shaq was clearly the man.
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ppl got to quit talkin about lebron like hes still a baby in the league hes got damn near a decade in it so far and being that he skipped college i know it dont seem like much but if his accolades dont start to do some of the talkin his stans gonna run out of shit to say soon.
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i disagree if kobe was in the league during the jordan era i dont think jordan would have been so celebrated.
Kobe was in the league. His first 3 seasons where MJ finished off his second 3 peat. Sure it was his first two seasons, but Magic won a ring in his first season, and by year 3 he had 2 rings. Kobe didn't get his first until year 4.
Seriously though, you could say what you said about how celebrated Jordan would have been if a few people where playing in their prime during the 90s; Shaq, Duncan, Lebron, Larry, Magic, Russel, Wilt, and yes Kobe.
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Ok....so.....you dont define yourself as a Kobe nutrider even though you would gladly suck his dick as long as he didnt charge you too much to do it. But you define me as a nutrider because I dont want to suck his dick like you do. In your head you think that anyone who isnt in love with him and claim he is the best at everything, 100% of their lives, must be a hater...and therefor, a "nutrider". If your backwards ass definition of what a "nutrider" is, is true. Wouldnt that be someone who...makes threads about how another person ISNT the best?! Constantly talks about someone ELSE and how they arent great?! hmm...sound familiar??
Polls a lot of times are nonsense. You cant ask the fans shit. And you cant use polls for your argument...and then complain when Yao gets more all star votes than anyone else lol. Polls are based off of "fans" votes, and fans are idiots sometimes. Clearly the Lakers have more fans than the Cavs...and Heat combined lol. There will be far more people voting for Kobe simply due to being Laker fans. Not to mention, when was this poll created?? Timing is EVERYTHING with a poll. The Lakers just won a title. The world hates Lebron right now. You can manipulate a poll based on when you create it. If Lebron just won a title, and Kobe didnt...they would be the same players. Their skill level wouldnt be different because one team won and one didnt. But the poll results would be completely tilted the other way because of the timing.
Yea...I'm pretty sure that Miami and Boston have more Laker/Kobe fans than Heat/LeBron fans. You are a Kobe nutrider, way more than I can ever be...cut the bullshit and face the facts.
Boy please. The fact remains, during most of the season LeBron was considered the best....by analysts as well. The Lakers win the title and the world hates Lebron right now, and now he isnt the best. Im not saying Kobe ISNT better than Lebron, and Im not saying he is. Im saying polls from fans are bullshit and everyone knows it. Casual basketball fans tend to have a hard time thinking of anything that isnt NOW. Thats why you had so many people saying ridiculous shit like "Rondo is the best PG in the league" heading into the finals. Not because he is...but because he was what was happening at that moment.
And once again...you need to review the meaning of nutrider. Cmon NIK, admit it. You were turned on by those "White Heat" pictures werent you?!
during most of the season, lebron was also mentioned alongside the all-time goats and was even predicted by many to end up greater than jordan, when that was clearly not the case in the minds of the true basketball heads...the point of this thread is really to show how ridiculous all the overhyping of lebron was before he left cleveland...now that the hype has finally started to neutralize itself, and now that the media isn't sucking lebrons nuts as hard, even casual nba fans and former lebron apologists are starting to realize how much more lebron needs to accomplish before he reaches greatness. lebron is currently a wade, a carmelo, a t-mac and vince carter in their prime...he is nowhere near kobe, and the results of this poll, even in the states where kobe is hated and lebron is loved, are finally looking accurate- but it's not the reason kobe is much greater.. it's just nice to finally be able to prove that the lebron hype really had the whole nation, including the dicklicking media, blind as shit and overrating lebron like a mufucka...kobe is the clear-cut greatest player of this generation, and the whole lebronmania bullshit over the past 7 years has sadly overshadowed that. in my opinion, only when kobe is finally retired will people see the whole picture for what it is...and you hate kobe, clearly. LOL. your dislike for him even seems to be greater than your like for your own team...same goes for 7even. cham, i think he's just more of a lebron dicklicker, than a kobe hater...but you and 7even clearly just hate kobe and anything laker related. ya'll are the three fuckin stooges on here.
You mentioned Lebrons name 10 times in that one paragraph...
Cuz the topic is LeBron, fuckin genius. come on, man...LOL. you really don't understand that a nutrider can be a hardcore stan OR an obsessed hater? really? if you're obsessed with constantly proving kobe is not as great as everyone says, as you clearly are, you can be labeled a nutrider...nutrider.
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lol so this place is where nik gets his netbang on since he swore himself off from gspot?
what up homie i wondered where you went lmao.
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Welcome to 2009 ....
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People need to stop caring so much about who said what. Jordan, the greatest of all-time, is better than Kobe. Kobe, the greatest of today, is better than LeBron.
This should be common knowledge, regardless of who it is that's saying it.
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the thing is jordon doesnt say it because he isnt better, dont give me that bullshit that "lebron didnt have the better team" while the east is much easier than the west, still you dont get the best standings in the league for nothing, and plus lebron handpicked every teammate basically.
and if he really was good enough, he would of been winning rings by now, its gonna be his goddamn 8th season and we still havent seen ANYTHING DIFFERENT FROM HIS 1st
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chal, you gotta be kidding me when u say lebron is the most hated in the league, he IS THE MOST LOVED, up untill he pulled that 1 hour espn special bullshit.
since 06 i dont know how many times that theyd said that kobes old, slow, will never win a ring, i mean even last year and the year before that they say hes old, he injured, lost a step. lol.
admit it you hate on kobe on a biased standpoint.
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Prolly y hes been stickin it in shaqs face years back 2 back
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Yeah..but this poll was taken after the descion lol.
& tell me where Kobe is better than LeBron..face it, all Kobe has is a more successful career, but he isn't a better player.
Think about how stupid that argument sounds; the ONLY thing that Kobe has on LeBron is a jumpshot & LeBron's is undoubtedly improving.
The other things Kobe has over LeBron is "clutchness", "leadership skills" & "desire"; ALL THINGS THAT CANNOT BE PROVED.
LeBron is better with the ball, a better passer, a better driver, a more unstoppable force on the break, a better shot blocker, a better rebounder; they are similar defenders; but I'll even allow you to give that to Kobe. Plus LeBron is undeniably the better build/more athletic player.
All Kobe can say is he has the unproveable intangibles & flash his Shaq-given rings & then you mock LeBron for playing with Wade lmfao.
It's all true & I even gave credit for his jumpshot & defense, so it's not like I'm acting like LeBron is better at everything, it's just honestly the truth about the two & the fact nobody has flipped out and tried to debate that makes it seem even more true & that most of you are just running from the facts.
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^Cuz the topic is LeBron, fuckin genius. come on, man...LOL. you really don't understand that a nutrider can be a hardcore stan OR an obsessed hater? really? if you're obsessed with constantly proving kobe is not as great as everyone says, as you clearly are, you can be labeled a nutrider...nutrider.
the topic is Lebron because of WHO setting up the thread?! LOL!!! You are callin me a nutrider for shit that you are doing lol. You say I hate on Kobe while you set up thread after thread trying to prove Lebron isnt that great....and hanging on to Kobe's nuts the entire time. You make yourself look so stupid in here man and dont even realize it. You are easily the most ignorant Laker fan in this section, and I probably get more respect from them then YOU do cus they know that YOU make real Laker fans look bad.
Youve never once caught me saying Kobe isnt a great player, or even an all time great. What makes you look stupid is when I say shit like, MJ is better...you act like that makes no sense lol. And when I say LeBron is better (which a whole lot of people do, especially before all this free agency shit). You act like its a complete no brainer that Kobe is better. LOL That makes you look like an even bigger dickrider than you already are known as. You can say Kobe is better than LeBron, and I never pretend that it is a ridiculous thing to say. Its a valid opinion. But so is LeBron over Kobe. If it wasnt, their wouldnt be a debate about it. There is no debate over whether LeBron or Adam Morrison is better....because it wouldnt be valid to say Morrison is better.
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^Cuz the topic is LeBron, fuckin genius. come on, man...LOL. you really don't understand that a nutrider can be a hardcore stan OR an obsessed hater? really? if you're obsessed with constantly proving kobe is not as great as everyone says, as you clearly are, you can be labeled a nutrider...nutrider.
the topic is Lebron because of WHO setting up the thread?! LOL!!! You are callin me a nutrider for shit that you are doing lol. You say I hate on Kobe while you set up thread after thread trying to prove Lebron isnt that great....and hanging on to Kobe's nuts the entire time. You make yourself look so stupid in here man and dont even realize it. You are easily the most ignorant Laker fan in this section, and I probably get more respect from them then YOU do cus they know that YOU make real Laker fans look bad.
Youve never once caught me saying Kobe isnt a great player, or even an all time great. What makes you look stupid is when I say shit like, MJ is better...you act like that makes no sense lol. And when I say LeBron is better (which a whole lot of people do, especially before all this free agency shit). You act like its a complete no brainer that Kobe is better. LOL That makes you look like an even bigger dickrider than you already are known as. You can say Kobe is better than LeBron, and I never pretend that it is a ridiculous thing to say. Its a valid opinion. But so is LeBron over Kobe. If it wasnt, their wouldnt be a debate about it. There is no debate over whether LeBron or Adam Morrison is better....because it wouldnt be valid to say Morrison is better.
you're challenging cham for dumbest poster in the sports section, man...LOL. I made this topic cuz i thought it was interesting how quick the lebron nutriders changed their opinions once they saw his true colors. i also never said that "it doesn't make sense" when you say jordan is better thankobe, it just makes you look stupid when you act as if lebron currently has a better shot at surpassing jordan's legacy than kobe does LOL. the same people who say lebron is on kobe's level are the same ones who overhyped him to extreme levels and made him out to be much, much better than he really is. if lebron played in jordan's era with the same amount of hype and kobe played in an era with no other dominant perimeter players, things woulda been a little different. now stop acting like you don't hate kobe LOL. the only time u even talk about lebron is when it's in a debate with kobe.
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^Cuz the topic is LeBron, fuckin genius. come on, man...LOL. you really don't understand that a nutrider can be a hardcore stan OR an obsessed hater? really? if you're obsessed with constantly proving kobe is not as great as everyone says, as you clearly are, you can be labeled a nutrider...nutrider.
the topic is Lebron because of WHO setting up the thread?! LOL!!! You are callin me a nutrider for shit that you are doing lol. You say I hate on Kobe while you set up thread after thread trying to prove Lebron isnt that great....and hanging on to Kobe's nuts the entire time. You make yourself look so stupid in here man and dont even realize it. You are easily the most ignorant Laker fan in this section, and I probably get more respect from them then YOU do cus they know that YOU make real Laker fans look bad.
Youve never once caught me saying Kobe isnt a great player, or even an all time great. What makes you look stupid is when I say shit like, MJ is better...you act like that makes no sense lol. And when I say LeBron is better (which a whole lot of people do, especially before all this free agency shit). You act like its a complete no brainer that Kobe is better. LOL That makes you look like an even bigger dickrider than you already are known as. You can say Kobe is better than LeBron, and I never pretend that it is a ridiculous thing to say. Its a valid opinion. But so is LeBron over Kobe. If it wasnt, their wouldnt be a debate about it. There is no debate over whether LeBron or Adam Morrison is better....because it wouldnt be valid to say Morrison is better.
you're challenging cham for dumbest poster in the sports section, man...LOL. I made this topic cuz i thought it was interesting how quick the lebron nutriders changed their opinions once they saw his true colors. i also never said that "it doesn't make sense" when you say jordan is better thankobe, it just makes you look stupid when you act as if lebron currently has a better shot at surpassing jordan's legacy than kobe does LOL. the same people who say lebron is on kobe's level are the same ones who overhyped him to extreme levels and made him out to be much, much better than he really is. if lebron played in jordan's era with the same amount of hype and kobe played in an era with no other dominant perimeter players, things woulda been a little different. now stop acting like you don't hate kobe LOL. the only time u even talk about lebron is when it's in a debate with kobe.
Like I said, other Laker fans respect what I have to say more than what you have to say lol. They just wont go against you because they dont want to go against the Lakers. But like Ive said before, my opinion is far more objective than a Laker or Lebron fans would be. Im a fan of neither. They could both fail or succeed tomorrow, and it doesnt change a thing for me. Its just hard for you to take your head out of Kobe's ass for a second to be able to understand what it means when someone says Lebron has a better shot at MJ status than Kobe. It doesnt mean that Lebron is hands down better than Kobe. It doesnt even mean that Lebron will end up with a better career than Kobe. Or even go down in history as the better player. All of that is still anyone's guess. What it is, is that Lebron is still in the first half of his career. Kobe is closer to the end of his. Like Ive said a million times, in order for someone to surpass Jordan and be accepted by the world as the best ever...they will have to be at a level where everyone knows well before they retire, THIS is the best player ever. Thats how it was that Jordan ended up universally accepted as the GOAT. The world was in agreement well before he retired. That hasnt happened for Kobe ever, or ANY one else yet. So although Kobe could end up with a better career and legacy than Lebron, Lebron still has a better shot at surpassing Jordan because he has way more career left to go. Kobe would have had to already be considered the GOAT by everyone in order for him to have surpassed Jordan. He could win 2 more titles, and still the world would recognize MJ as the GOAT because of dominance he displayed once they started winning titles. If Lebron put together a string of titles he MIGHT be able to catch Jordan if he is dominant during that time. I personally think this move to Miami with Wade and Bosh will hurt his legacy. But we'll see.
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The other things Kobe has over LeBron is "clutchness", "leadership skills" & "desire"; ALL THINGS THAT CANNOT BE PROVED.
LeBron is better with the ball, a better passer, a better driver, a more unstoppable force on the break, a better shot blocker, a better rebounder; they are similar defenders; but I'll even allow you to give that to Kobe. Plus LeBron is undeniably the better build/more athletic player.
All Kobe can say is he has the unproveable intangibles & flash his Shaq-given rings & then you mock LeBron for playing with Wade lmfao.
Good point.
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The other things Kobe has over LeBron is "clutchness", "leadership skills" & "desire"; ALL THINGS THAT CANNOT BE PROVED.
LeBron is better with the ball, a better passer, a better driver, a more unstoppable force on the break, a better shot blocker, a better rebounder; they are similar defenders; but I'll even allow you to give that to Kobe. Plus LeBron is undeniably the better build/more athletic player.
All Kobe can say is he has the unproveable intangibles & flash his Shaq-given rings & then you mock LeBron for playing with Wade lmfao.
Good point.
For one, Kobe's leadership skills have been in question since day one. So I dont think you can say he has better leadership skills. Desire...fine, I would give him that one. And clutchness lol...here...read the article i posted in this thread...that pretty much shut down the theory of Kobe's "clutchness".
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=251953.100
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Like I said, they are all unproveable intangibles because it sounds nice. I mean, they have to make it sounds close; "LeBron has this & that over Kobe, but will LeBron ever get that Kobe hunger? Will LeBron ever be as clutch as Kobe?", just a bunch of bullshit to make Kobe sound better.
Bottom line, Kobe is a better jumpshooter, period; that's where it ends.
& that article is what I've been saying about Kobe "being clutch", you could almost say the same for Jordan, the ball is in his hands at the end of every game, eventually he'll hit the shot. He shoots 40% or so, so 40% of the time he'll win the game. When he misses, it doesn't even get coverage; but they need to build heroes somehow.
I never thought Kobe was a good leader, he's a talented selfish bastard who can take over a game & can win games just like Iverson in his prime or LeBron today. When Kobe has 35 points in the 3rd quarter & makes a sick pass, is that being a good leader, distributing the ball? Or just seeing the open man because at this point they other team is triple-teaming him? lol.
But I'll give him those three, but when it comes to actual skills, all Kobe has is that jumpshot & MAYBE defense, but LeBron is only getting better at both & has his number in every other aspect.
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Kobe faces the critics but the way james didnt even say what up 2 howard that year...the best shows up win or lose
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Like I said, they are all unproveable intangibles because it sounds nice. I mean, they have to make it sounds close; "LeBron has this & that over Kobe, but will LeBron ever get that Kobe hunger? Will LeBron ever be as clutch as Kobe?", just a bunch of bullshit to make Kobe sound better.
Bottom line, Kobe is a better jumpshooter, period; that's where it ends.
& that article is what I've been saying about Kobe "being clutch", you could almost say the same for Jordan, the ball is in his hands at the end of every game, eventually he'll hit the shot. He shoots 40% or so, so 40% of the time he'll win the game. When he misses, it doesn't even get coverage; but they need to build heroes somehow.
Yeah, that article even takes it a step further and shows how percentagewise, Kobe is not the best closer in basketball. That he just takes more shots during the "clutch" minutes of games. They measure a players shooting percentage in game winning situations. Those would be situations with 24 seconds left in a game and the team with the ball either tied, or down by 1 or 2 points. In those situations, Kobe shoots 25% from the field. Which is actually BELOW the league average of almost 30% during those same situations. And if you extend it to clutch minutes per game where you are taking the last 5 minutes of the 4th quarter and overtime in games where the teams are seperated by less than 5 points it isnt any better. They found that 49 players had at least 100 clutch minutes during 2009-2010 and took at least 16 field goal attempts per 48 minutes of clutch time. Out of those 49 players, Kobe's field goal percentage was ranked 17th. In 2008-2009 he was ranked 21st out of 59 players. And in 2007-2008 he was 24th out of 59 players.
The article does compare him to Lebron and show how Lebrons productivity during clutch minutes of games is better than Kobe's. Shooting percentage, rebounds, blocks, assists. Also, duiring the period they studied (6 years), Kobe had the most misses for potentially game winning shots (42). Nobody talks about those tho. Oh, and during that period Lebron had 6 game winning assists. Kobe, 1...to go with his 56 shot attempts.
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Kobe faces the critics but the way james didnt even say what up 2 howard that year...the best shows up win or lose
I dont have a real problem with that. Shit, it aint as bad at the old Bad Boys walkin out on the Bulls lol. But I get tired of HOW friendly everyone is AFTER the game. Its like shit, you just lost. BE PISSED about it. The league could use more real rivalries like we had in the past. Back in the day, you really got the feeling the Lakers and Celtics didnt like eachother much, The Bulls and the Pistons definitely didnt. The Bulls and the Knicks definitely didnt. Ever since then tho, its like youre not allowed to ever dislike your opponents. Fuck that.
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People look at clutch & they just think of game winning shots; LeBron doesn't have many.
But then if you think about it, LeBron is so good he's won 60+ games the last two years with what could be the worst team to ever win 60+ games; if you look at overall talent.
Sure, they were good, but because of him; plus they won 60 without Jamison the year before, so no Laker fan better even bring that up lol.
How can you his game winners when you're winning by 10 every game? :D
LeBron's teammates called him "The Closer" because when they were up going into the fourth, it was a wrap with him out there.
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People look at clutch & they just think of game winning shots; LeBron doesn't have many.
Whats funny is, that article showed a study of "clutchness". It showed how Kobe during the 6 years studied (2003-2009) had the most MISSES of potentially game winning shots of any other player (42). But was only 4th in actual game winning shots MADE (14)...behind...Ray Allen, Vince Carter...and....Lebron James. lol Funny.
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LeBron has more game winning shot? :laugh:
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^Cuz the topic is LeBron, fuckin genius. come on, man...LOL. you really don't understand that a nutrider can be a hardcore stan OR an obsessed hater? really? if you're obsessed with constantly proving kobe is not as great as everyone says, as you clearly are, you can be labeled a nutrider...nutrider.
the topic is Lebron because of WHO setting up the thread?! LOL!!! You are callin me a nutrider for shit that you are doing lol. You say I hate on Kobe while you set up thread after thread trying to prove Lebron isnt that great....and hanging on to Kobe's nuts the entire time. You make yourself look so stupid in here man and dont even realize it. You are easily the most ignorant Laker fan in this section, and I probably get more respect from them then YOU do cus they know that YOU make real Laker fans look bad.
Youve never once caught me saying Kobe isnt a great player, or even an all time great. What makes you look stupid is when I say shit like, MJ is better...you act like that makes no sense lol. And when I say LeBron is better (which a whole lot of people do, especially before all this free agency shit). You act like its a complete no brainer that Kobe is better. LOL That makes you look like an even bigger dickrider than you already are known as. You can say Kobe is better than LeBron, and I never pretend that it is a ridiculous thing to say. Its a valid opinion. But so is LeBron over Kobe. If it wasnt, their wouldnt be a debate about it. There is no debate over whether LeBron or Adam Morrison is better....because it wouldnt be valid to say Morrison is better.
you're challenging cham for dumbest poster in the sports section, man...LOL. I made this topic cuz i thought it was interesting how quick the lebron nutriders changed their opinions once they saw his true colors. i also never said that "it doesn't make sense" when you say jordan is better thankobe, it just makes you look stupid when you act as if lebron currently has a better shot at surpassing jordan's legacy than kobe does LOL. the same people who say lebron is on kobe's level are the same ones who overhyped him to extreme levels and made him out to be much, much better than he really is. if lebron played in jordan's era with the same amount of hype and kobe played in an era with no other dominant perimeter players, things woulda been a little different. now stop acting like you don't hate kobe LOL. the only time u even talk about lebron is when it's in a debate with kobe.
Like I said, other Laker fans respect what I have to say more than what you have to say lol. They just wont go against you because they dont want to go against the Lakers. But like Ive said before, my opinion is far more objective than a Laker or Lebron fans would be. Im a fan of neither. They could both fail or succeed tomorrow, and it doesnt change a thing for me. Its just hard for you to take your head out of Kobe's ass for a second to be able to understand what it means when someone says Lebron has a better shot at MJ status than Kobe. It doesnt mean that Lebron is hands down better than Kobe. It doesnt even mean that Lebron will end up with a better career than Kobe. Or even go down in history as the better player. All of that is still anyone's guess. What it is, is that Lebron is still in the first half of his career. Kobe is closer to the end of his. Like Ive said a million times, in order for someone to surpass Jordan and be accepted by the world as the best ever...they will have to be at a level where everyone knows well before they retire, THIS is the best player ever. Thats how it was that Jordan ended up universally accepted as the GOAT. The world was in agreement well before he retired. That hasnt happened for Kobe ever, or ANY one else yet. So although Kobe could end up with a better career and legacy than Lebron, Lebron still has a better shot at surpassing Jordan because he has way more career left to go. Kobe would have had to already be considered the GOAT by everyone in order for him to have surpassed Jordan. He could win 2 more titles, and still the world would recognize MJ as the GOAT because of dominance he displayed once they started winning titles. If Lebron put together a string of titles he MIGHT be able to catch Jordan if he is dominant during that time. I personally think this move to Miami with Wade and Bosh will hurt his legacy. But we'll see.
Other Laker fans respect you over me? Like who? LOL! nice one...keep pullin shit out of your ass to make your statements sound less retarded. Your opinion is far from objective...you hate Kobe, you hate the Lakers, and you hate Laker fans. then again, Kobe is pretty much the guy responsible for the Spurs not being the team of the decade, so I dont blame you...but PLEASE, quit acting like your opinion is objective, because anyone with a fucking brain (which automatically discludes cham), can clearly see that you're far from "objective". Kobe hasn't been celebrated as the clear-cut best because he's in an era where the nab and the media is trying to build up other superstars like LeBron by giving them a huge marketing push by overhyping them...Jordan never had to face a media-made phenomenon like LeBron in his prime, what don't you get about that? That still doesn't change the fact that Kobe, in his prime, still has every ability on a basketball court that Jordan did, and then some. In fact, Jordan at Kobe's current age only had HALF of his championships...Imagine if Kobe only has half of his championships right now. it would be ridiculous to claim Jordan>Kobe if Kobe ends his career with anything close to 10 rings..LOL
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The other things Kobe has over LeBron is "clutchness", "leadership skills" & "desire"; ALL THINGS THAT CANNOT BE PROVED.
LeBron is better with the ball, a better passer, a better driver, a more unstoppable force on the break, a better shot blocker, a better rebounder; they are similar defenders; but I'll even allow you to give that to Kobe. Plus LeBron is undeniably the better build/more athletic player.
All Kobe can say is he has the unproveable intangibles & flash his Shaq-given rings & then you mock LeBron for playing with Wade lmfao.
Good point.
For one, Kobe's leadership skills have been in question since day one. So I dont think you can say he has better leadership skills. Desire...fine, I would give him that one. And clutchness lol...here...read the article i posted in this thread...that pretty much shut down the theory of Kobe's "clutchness".
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=251953.100
LMAO@you don't see how Kobe has better leadership skills than LeBron...who is that Laker fan who "respects your opinion" over mine? PLEASE STAND UP!
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^LMAO @ you ignoring the rest of what me & Daygo said.
When did you develop selective hearing?
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^LMAO @ you ignoring the rest of what me & Daygo said.
When did you develop selective hearing?
ever since he has been here lol
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^Cuz the topic is LeBron, fuckin genius. come on, man...LOL. you really don't understand that a nutrider can be a hardcore stan OR an obsessed hater? really? if you're obsessed with constantly proving kobe is not as great as everyone says, as you clearly are, you can be labeled a nutrider...nutrider.
the topic is Lebron because of WHO setting up the thread?! LOL!!! You are callin me a nutrider for shit that you are doing lol. You say I hate on Kobe while you set up thread after thread trying to prove Lebron isnt that great....and hanging on to Kobe's nuts the entire time. You make yourself look so stupid in here man and dont even realize it. You are easily the most ignorant Laker fan in this section, and I probably get more respect from them then YOU do cus they know that YOU make real Laker fans look bad.
Youve never once caught me saying Kobe isnt a great player, or even an all time great. What makes you look stupid is when I say shit like, MJ is better...you act like that makes no sense lol. And when I say LeBron is better (which a whole lot of people do, especially before all this free agency shit). You act like its a complete no brainer that Kobe is better. LOL That makes you look like an even bigger dickrider than you already are known as. You can say Kobe is better than LeBron, and I never pretend that it is a ridiculous thing to say. Its a valid opinion. But so is LeBron over Kobe. If it wasnt, their wouldnt be a debate about it. There is no debate over whether LeBron or Adam Morrison is better....because it wouldnt be valid to say Morrison is better.
you're challenging cham for dumbest poster in the sports section, man...LOL. I made this topic cuz i thought it was interesting how quick the lebron nutriders changed their opinions once they saw his true colors. i also never said that "it doesn't make sense" when you say jordan is better thankobe, it just makes you look stupid when you act as if lebron currently has a better shot at surpassing jordan's legacy than kobe does LOL. the same people who say lebron is on kobe's level are the same ones who overhyped him to extreme levels and made him out to be much, much better than he really is. if lebron played in jordan's era with the same amount of hype and kobe played in an era with no other dominant perimeter players, things woulda been a little different. now stop acting like you don't hate kobe LOL. the only time u even talk about lebron is when it's in a debate with kobe.
Like I said, other Laker fans respect what I have to say more than what you have to say lol. They just wont go against you because they dont want to go against the Lakers. But like Ive said before, my opinion is far more objective than a Laker or Lebron fans would be. Im a fan of neither. They could both fail or succeed tomorrow, and it doesnt change a thing for me. Its just hard for you to take your head out of Kobe's ass for a second to be able to understand what it means when someone says Lebron has a better shot at MJ status than Kobe. It doesnt mean that Lebron is hands down better than Kobe. It doesnt even mean that Lebron will end up with a better career than Kobe. Or even go down in history as the better player. All of that is still anyone's guess. What it is, is that Lebron is still in the first half of his career. Kobe is closer to the end of his. Like Ive said a million times, in order for someone to surpass Jordan and be accepted by the world as the best ever...they will have to be at a level where everyone knows well before they retire, THIS is the best player ever. Thats how it was that Jordan ended up universally accepted as the GOAT. The world was in agreement well before he retired. That hasnt happened for Kobe ever, or ANY one else yet. So although Kobe could end up with a better career and legacy than Lebron, Lebron still has a better shot at surpassing Jordan because he has way more career left to go. Kobe would have had to already be considered the GOAT by everyone in order for him to have surpassed Jordan. He could win 2 more titles, and still the world would recognize MJ as the GOAT because of dominance he displayed once they started winning titles. If Lebron put together a string of titles he MIGHT be able to catch Jordan if he is dominant during that time. I personally think this move to Miami with Wade and Bosh will hurt his legacy. But we'll see.
Other Laker fans respect you over me? Like who? LOL! nice one...keep pullin shit out of your ass to make your statements sound less retarded. Your opinion is far from objective...you hate Kobe, you hate the Lakers, and you hate Laker fans. then again, Kobe is pretty much the guy responsible for the Spurs not being the team of the decade, so I dont blame you...but PLEASE, quit acting like your opinion is objective, because anyone with a fucking brain (which automatically discludes cham), can clearly see that you're far from "objective". Kobe hasn't been celebrated as the clear-cut best because he's in an era where the nab and the media is trying to build up other superstars like LeBron by giving them a huge marketing push by overhyping them...Jordan never had to face a media-made phenomenon like LeBron in his prime, what don't you get about that? That still doesn't change the fact that Kobe, in his prime, still has every ability on a basketball court that Jordan did, and then some. In fact, Jordan at Kobe's current age only had HALF of his championships...Imagine if Kobe only has half of his championships right now. it would be ridiculous to claim Jordan>Kobe if Kobe ends his career with anything close to 10 rings..LOL
lol Most ALL of the other Laker fans on this board are far less delusional than you. There is a reason you are such a joke on this entire board lol. Other Laker fans dont always agree with what I say, and I dont always agree with what they say, but I can respect their opinion because it isnt based on complete blindness like yours are. Take M-Dogg for example. HIS every bit the Laker fan you are. But he doesnt come across like a complete idiot and set up thread after thread after thread displaying some complex about his team and favorite player by bashing Lebron all day. And how is Kobe "the guy" responsible for anything? Kobe has been the leader for 2 championships, and 1 loss in the finals. Oh, and that period of time where you guys sucked after Shaq left. The Lakers have been on a roller coaster this decade, with their high point being when Shaq was the main man. The Spurs have been the winningest team in sports for a decade now. When is the last time we won less than 50 games in a season?! Before you were even watching basketball. And typical NIK...blaming the media for Kobe not being considered the clearcut best lol. The media just wants SOMEbody that they can call the next Jordan. ANYBODY. Just one guy who they can say..."he is the best ever!!!". Since Kobe did not become that guy, they moved on to the next guy. They have been doing ever since Jordan retired. If Lebron shows that he isnt that guy, they will find a new guy to latch onto. And championships wont ever be your best arguing tool when it comes to Kobe, seeing as how he was the #2 for 3 of them. And lost twice in the finals. Youd be hardpressed to find anyone who thinks the Bulls wouldnt have won the two years Jordan was gone betweent he three peats. Giving them 8 strait titles. When Jordan really hit his prime and started winning titles, the Bulls were basically unstoppable. It was Jordan and the Bulls...and the rest of the league was just there. The closest thing the Lakers have been to unstoppable over this last decade was when Shaq was at the wheel. Argue and cry all you want NIK. At the end of the day, the man you love wont be considered the best ever.
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^Cuz the topic is LeBron, fuckin genius. come on, man...LOL. you really don't understand that a nutrider can be a hardcore stan OR an obsessed hater? really? if you're obsessed with constantly proving kobe is not as great as everyone says, as you clearly are, you can be labeled a nutrider...nutrider.
the topic is Lebron because of WHO setting up the thread?! LOL!!! You are callin me a nutrider for shit that you are doing lol. You say I hate on Kobe while you set up thread after thread trying to prove Lebron isnt that great....and hanging on to Kobe's nuts the entire time. You make yourself look so stupid in here man and dont even realize it. You are easily the most ignorant Laker fan in this section, and I probably get more respect from them then YOU do cus they know that YOU make real Laker fans look bad.
Youve never once caught me saying Kobe isnt a great player, or even an all time great. What makes you look stupid is when I say shit like, MJ is better...you act like that makes no sense lol. And when I say LeBron is better (which a whole lot of people do, especially before all this free agency shit). You act like its a complete no brainer that Kobe is better. LOL That makes you look like an even bigger dickrider than you already are known as. You can say Kobe is better than LeBron, and I never pretend that it is a ridiculous thing to say. Its a valid opinion. But so is LeBron over Kobe. If it wasnt, their wouldnt be a debate about it. There is no debate over whether LeBron or Adam Morrison is better....because it wouldnt be valid to say Morrison is better.
you're challenging cham for dumbest poster in the sports section, man...LOL. I made this topic cuz i thought it was interesting how quick the lebron nutriders changed their opinions once they saw his true colors. i also never said that "it doesn't make sense" when you say jordan is better thankobe, it just makes you look stupid when you act as if lebron currently has a better shot at surpassing jordan's legacy than kobe does LOL. the same people who say lebron is on kobe's level are the same ones who overhyped him to extreme levels and made him out to be much, much better than he really is. if lebron played in jordan's era with the same amount of hype and kobe played in an era with no other dominant perimeter players, things woulda been a little different. now stop acting like you don't hate kobe LOL. the only time u even talk about lebron is when it's in a debate with kobe.
Like I said, other Laker fans respect what I have to say more than what you have to say lol. They just wont go against you because they dont want to go against the Lakers. But like Ive said before, my opinion is far more objective than a Laker or Lebron fans would be. Im a fan of neither. They could both fail or succeed tomorrow, and it doesnt change a thing for me. Its just hard for you to take your head out of Kobe's ass for a second to be able to understand what it means when someone says Lebron has a better shot at MJ status than Kobe. It doesnt mean that Lebron is hands down better than Kobe. It doesnt even mean that Lebron will end up with a better career than Kobe. Or even go down in history as the better player. All of that is still anyone's guess. What it is, is that Lebron is still in the first half of his career. Kobe is closer to the end of his. Like Ive said a million times, in order for someone to surpass Jordan and be accepted by the world as the best ever...they will have to be at a level where everyone knows well before they retire, THIS is the best player ever. Thats how it was that Jordan ended up universally accepted as the GOAT. The world was in agreement well before he retired. That hasnt happened for Kobe ever, or ANY one else yet. So although Kobe could end up with a better career and legacy than Lebron, Lebron still has a better shot at surpassing Jordan because he has way more career left to go. Kobe would have had to already be considered the GOAT by everyone in order for him to have surpassed Jordan. He could win 2 more titles, and still the world would recognize MJ as the GOAT because of dominance he displayed once they started winning titles. If Lebron put together a string of titles he MIGHT be able to catch Jordan if he is dominant during that time. I personally think this move to Miami with Wade and Bosh will hurt his legacy. But we'll see.
Other Laker fans respect you over me? Like who? LOL! nice one...keep pullin shit out of your ass to make your statements sound less retarded. Your opinion is far from objective...you hate Kobe, you hate the Lakers, and you hate Laker fans. then again, Kobe is pretty much the guy responsible for the Spurs not being the team of the decade, so I dont blame you...but PLEASE, quit acting like your opinion is objective, because anyone with a fucking brain (which automatically discludes cham), can clearly see that you're far from "objective". Kobe hasn't been celebrated as the clear-cut best because he's in an era where the nab and the media is trying to build up other superstars like LeBron by giving them a huge marketing push by overhyping them...Jordan never had to face a media-made phenomenon like LeBron in his prime, what don't you get about that? That still doesn't change the fact that Kobe, in his prime, still has every ability on a basketball court that Jordan did, and then some. In fact, Jordan at Kobe's current age only had HALF of his championships...Imagine if Kobe only has half of his championships right now. it would be ridiculous to claim Jordan>Kobe if Kobe ends his career with anything close to 10 rings..LOL
lol Most ALL of the other Laker fans on this board are far less delusional than you. There is a reason you are such a joke on this entire board lol. Other Laker fans dont always agree with what I say, and I dont always agree with what they say, but I can respect their opinion because it isnt based on complete blindness like yours are. Take M-Dogg for example. HIS every bit the Laker fan you are. But he doesnt come across like a complete idiot and set up thread after thread after thread displaying some complex about his team and favorite player by bashing Lebron all day. And how is Kobe "the guy" responsible for anything? Kobe has been the leader for 2 championships, and 1 loss in the finals. Oh, and that period of time where you guys sucked after Shaq left. The Lakers have been on a roller coaster this decade, with their high point being when Shaq was the main man. The Spurs have been the winningest team in sports for a decade now. When is the last time we won less than 50 games in a season?! Before you were even watching basketball. And typical NIK...blaming the media for Kobe not being considered the clearcut best lol. The media just wants SOMEbody that they can call the next Jordan. ANYBODY. Just one guy who they can say..."he is the best ever!!!". Since Kobe did not become that guy, they moved on to the next guy. They have been doing ever since Jordan retired. If Lebron shows that he isnt that guy, they will find a new guy to latch onto. And championships wont ever be your best arguing tool when it comes to Kobe, seeing as how he was the #2 for 3 of them. And lost twice in the finals. Youd be hardpressed to find anyone who thinks the Bulls wouldnt have won the two years Jordan was gone betweent he three peats. Giving them 8 strait titles. When Jordan really hit his prime and started winning titles, the Bulls were basically unstoppable. It was Jordan and the Bulls...and the rest of the league was just there. The closest thing the Lakers have been to unstoppable over this last decade was when Shaq was at the wheel. Argue and cry all you want NIK. At the end of the day, the man you love wont be considered the best ever.
How am I delusional? Because I think Kobe still has a far more legit shot at surpassing Jordan than LeBron does? EVERY LAKER FAN BELIEVES THAT. It's despicable how much you talk Kobe down and LeBron up just because of your hate for him, and you sound so envious of his greatness, it's simply amazing..and then when you go on record and deny that you don't dislike Kobe, that just makes it even funnier...Notice how you and cham, the two most senseless douches in this section, are the only ones quoting each other in this whole argument...LOL. Who gives a fuck how consistent the Spurs have been, if Kobe was never born, the Spurs would be the team of the decade, without a question, and that thought subconsciously makes you cringe. :-*
I remember when Kobe demanded a trade if the Lakers decided to stay in rebuild mode back in '07, how you even claimed you wouldn't want him on the Spurs...LMAO. you're too much, man. credibility gets lost SOMEWHERE.
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^Cuz the topic is LeBron, fuckin genius. come on, man...LOL. you really don't understand that a nutrider can be a hardcore stan OR an obsessed hater? really? if you're obsessed with constantly proving kobe is not as great as everyone says, as you clearly are, you can be labeled a nutrider...nutrider.
the topic is Lebron because of WHO setting up the thread?! LOL!!! You are callin me a nutrider for shit that you are doing lol. You say I hate on Kobe while you set up thread after thread trying to prove Lebron isnt that great....and hanging on to Kobe's nuts the entire time. You make yourself look so stupid in here man and dont even realize it. You are easily the most ignorant Laker fan in this section, and I probably get more respect from them then YOU do cus they know that YOU make real Laker fans look bad.
Youve never once caught me saying Kobe isnt a great player, or even an all time great. What makes you look stupid is when I say shit like, MJ is better...you act like that makes no sense lol. And when I say LeBron is better (which a whole lot of people do, especially before all this free agency shit). You act like its a complete no brainer that Kobe is better. LOL That makes you look like an even bigger dickrider than you already are known as. You can say Kobe is better than LeBron, and I never pretend that it is a ridiculous thing to say. Its a valid opinion. But so is LeBron over Kobe. If it wasnt, their wouldnt be a debate about it. There is no debate over whether LeBron or Adam Morrison is better....because it wouldnt be valid to say Morrison is better.
you're challenging cham for dumbest poster in the sports section, man...LOL. I made this topic cuz i thought it was interesting how quick the lebron nutriders changed their opinions once they saw his true colors. i also never said that "it doesn't make sense" when you say jordan is better thankobe, it just makes you look stupid when you act as if lebron currently has a better shot at surpassing jordan's legacy than kobe does LOL. the same people who say lebron is on kobe's level are the same ones who overhyped him to extreme levels and made him out to be much, much better than he really is. if lebron played in jordan's era with the same amount of hype and kobe played in an era with no other dominant perimeter players, things woulda been a little different. now stop acting like you don't hate kobe LOL. the only time u even talk about lebron is when it's in a debate with kobe.
Like I said, other Laker fans respect what I have to say more than what you have to say lol. They just wont go against you because they dont want to go against the Lakers. But like Ive said before, my opinion is far more objective than a Laker or Lebron fans would be. Im a fan of neither. They could both fail or succeed tomorrow, and it doesnt change a thing for me. Its just hard for you to take your head out of Kobe's ass for a second to be able to understand what it means when someone says Lebron has a better shot at MJ status than Kobe. It doesnt mean that Lebron is hands down better than Kobe. It doesnt even mean that Lebron will end up with a better career than Kobe. Or even go down in history as the better player. All of that is still anyone's guess. What it is, is that Lebron is still in the first half of his career. Kobe is closer to the end of his. Like Ive said a million times, in order for someone to surpass Jordan and be accepted by the world as the best ever...they will have to be at a level where everyone knows well before they retire, THIS is the best player ever. Thats how it was that Jordan ended up universally accepted as the GOAT. The world was in agreement well before he retired. That hasnt happened for Kobe ever, or ANY one else yet. So although Kobe could end up with a better career and legacy than Lebron, Lebron still has a better shot at surpassing Jordan because he has way more career left to go. Kobe would have had to already be considered the GOAT by everyone in order for him to have surpassed Jordan. He could win 2 more titles, and still the world would recognize MJ as the GOAT because of dominance he displayed once they started winning titles. If Lebron put together a string of titles he MIGHT be able to catch Jordan if he is dominant during that time. I personally think this move to Miami with Wade and Bosh will hurt his legacy. But we'll see.
Other Laker fans respect you over me? Like who? LOL! nice one...keep pullin shit out of your ass to make your statements sound less retarded. Your opinion is far from objective...you hate Kobe, you hate the Lakers, and you hate Laker fans. then again, Kobe is pretty much the guy responsible for the Spurs not being the team of the decade, so I dont blame you...but PLEASE, quit acting like your opinion is objective, because anyone with a fucking brain (which automatically discludes cham), can clearly see that you're far from "objective". Kobe hasn't been celebrated as the clear-cut best because he's in an era where the nab and the media is trying to build up other superstars like LeBron by giving them a huge marketing push by overhyping them...Jordan never had to face a media-made phenomenon like LeBron in his prime, what don't you get about that? That still doesn't change the fact that Kobe, in his prime, still has every ability on a basketball court that Jordan did, and then some. In fact, Jordan at Kobe's current age only had HALF of his championships...Imagine if Kobe only has half of his championships right now. it would be ridiculous to claim Jordan>Kobe if Kobe ends his career with anything close to 10 rings..LOL
lol Most ALL of the other Laker fans on this board are far less delusional than you. There is a reason you are such a joke on this entire board lol. Other Laker fans dont always agree with what I say, and I dont always agree with what they say, but I can respect their opinion because it isnt based on complete blindness like yours are. Take M-Dogg for example. HIS every bit the Laker fan you are. But he doesnt come across like a complete idiot and set up thread after thread after thread displaying some complex about his team and favorite player by bashing Lebron all day. And how is Kobe "the guy" responsible for anything? Kobe has been the leader for 2 championships, and 1 loss in the finals. Oh, and that period of time where you guys sucked after Shaq left. The Lakers have been on a roller coaster this decade, with their high point being when Shaq was the main man. The Spurs have been the winningest team in sports for a decade now. When is the last time we won less than 50 games in a season?! Before you were even watching basketball. And typical NIK...blaming the media for Kobe not being considered the clearcut best lol. The media just wants SOMEbody that they can call the next Jordan. ANYBODY. Just one guy who they can say..."he is the best ever!!!". Since Kobe did not become that guy, they moved on to the next guy. They have been doing ever since Jordan retired. If Lebron shows that he isnt that guy, they will find a new guy to latch onto. And championships wont ever be your best arguing tool when it comes to Kobe, seeing as how he was the #2 for 3 of them. And lost twice in the finals. Youd be hardpressed to find anyone who thinks the Bulls wouldnt have won the two years Jordan was gone betweent he three peats. Giving them 8 strait titles. When Jordan really hit his prime and started winning titles, the Bulls were basically unstoppable. It was Jordan and the Bulls...and the rest of the league was just there. The closest thing the Lakers have been to unstoppable over this last decade was when Shaq was at the wheel. Argue and cry all you want NIK. At the end of the day, the man you love wont be considered the best ever.
How am I delusional? Because I think Kobe still has a far more legit shot at surpassing Jordan than LeBron does? EVERY LAKER FAN BELIEVES THAT. It's despicable how much you talk Kobe down and LeBron up just because of your hate for him, and you sound so envious of his greatness, it's simply amazing..and then when you go on record and deny that you don't dislike Kobe, that just makes it even funnier...Notice how you and cham, the two most senseless douches in this section, are the only ones quoting each other in this whole argument...LOL. Who gives a fuck how consistent the Spurs have been, if Kobe was never born, the Spurs would be the team of the decade, without a question, and that thought subconsciously makes you cringe. :-*
I remember when Kobe demanded a trade if the Lakers decided to stay in rebuild mode back in '07, how you even claimed you wouldn't want him on the Spurs...LMAO. you're too much, man. credibility gets lost SOMEWHERE.
The whole board calls you delusional. The fact that you dont realize it, makes you delusional. It has nothing to do with thinking that Kobe has a better shot than Lebron at anything. It has to do with how much you completely exaggerate everything about Kobe lol. I bet you tell people his dick is really bigger than it is. You manage to convince yourself that Kobe wasnt the # 2 guy on the three peat team when the rest of the world knows he was. You convince yourself that Kobe is lightyears ahead of Lebron on the court when the world knows he isnt. You convince yourself that Kobe is on the same level as Jordan when the rest of the world knows he isnt. Etc...etc. I could go on for hours about your delusion if I really wanted to. There are too many examples to write them all down.
And wtf are you talkin about "if Kobe was never born"?! lol. You could argue over who was the team of the decade. You could go off of title count, or you could go off of who has been the better team for the whole decade. The Lakers have the title count, we have been the better team throughout the whole decade. And again, Kobe was the leader for 2 titles. Duncan has been the leader the entire decade of us being the winningest team in sports. Shaq brought LA three titles. Kobe brought 2. Sorry. Its the truth.
And yeah, when Kobe wanted a trade...I didnt want him. I dont deny that at all. It has nothing to do with personally liking or disliking him lol Its the fact that a trade would require US giving up players. The Spurs have been the type of team where they build a team piece by piece. Not just go find big stars. They actually BUILD a team that is cohesive and plays well together. Typically defensive minded, and most importantly...unselfish. Duncan is possibly the most unselfish superstar ever and thats why his fit with the Spurs has been perfect. Manu is an all star, but willing to come off the bench if its what helps the team. Paker did it last year. Kobe doesnt fit that mold of character, and he could have completely thrown off our chemistry. The Olympics were a good example, you dont just go add the biggest stars...you add the right pieces.
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^Cuz the topic is LeBron, fuckin genius. come on, man...LOL. you really don't understand that a nutrider can be a hardcore stan OR an obsessed hater? really? if you're obsessed with constantly proving kobe is not as great as everyone says, as you clearly are, you can be labeled a nutrider...nutrider.
the topic is Lebron because of WHO setting up the thread?! LOL!!! You are callin me a nutrider for shit that you are doing lol. You say I hate on Kobe while you set up thread after thread trying to prove Lebron isnt that great....and hanging on to Kobe's nuts the entire time. You make yourself look so stupid in here man and dont even realize it. You are easily the most ignorant Laker fan in this section, and I probably get more respect from them then YOU do cus they know that YOU make real Laker fans look bad.
Youve never once caught me saying Kobe isnt a great player, or even an all time great. What makes you look stupid is when I say shit like, MJ is better...you act like that makes no sense lol. And when I say LeBron is better (which a whole lot of people do, especially before all this free agency shit). You act like its a complete no brainer that Kobe is better. LOL That makes you look like an even bigger dickrider than you already are known as. You can say Kobe is better than LeBron, and I never pretend that it is a ridiculous thing to say. Its a valid opinion. But so is LeBron over Kobe. If it wasnt, their wouldnt be a debate about it. There is no debate over whether LeBron or Adam Morrison is better....because it wouldnt be valid to say Morrison is better.
you're challenging cham for dumbest poster in the sports section, man...LOL. I made this topic cuz i thought it was interesting how quick the lebron nutriders changed their opinions once they saw his true colors. i also never said that "it doesn't make sense" when you say jordan is better thankobe, it just makes you look stupid when you act as if lebron currently has a better shot at surpassing jordan's legacy than kobe does LOL. the same people who say lebron is on kobe's level are the same ones who overhyped him to extreme levels and made him out to be much, much better than he really is. if lebron played in jordan's era with the same amount of hype and kobe played in an era with no other dominant perimeter players, things woulda been a little different. now stop acting like you don't hate kobe LOL. the only time u even talk about lebron is when it's in a debate with kobe.
Like I said, other Laker fans respect what I have to say more than what you have to say lol. They just wont go against you because they dont want to go against the Lakers. But like Ive said before, my opinion is far more objective than a Laker or Lebron fans would be. Im a fan of neither. They could both fail or succeed tomorrow, and it doesnt change a thing for me. Its just hard for you to take your head out of Kobe's ass for a second to be able to understand what it means when someone says Lebron has a better shot at MJ status than Kobe. It doesnt mean that Lebron is hands down better than Kobe. It doesnt even mean that Lebron will end up with a better career than Kobe. Or even go down in history as the better player. All of that is still anyone's guess. What it is, is that Lebron is still in the first half of his career. Kobe is closer to the end of his. Like Ive said a million times, in order for someone to surpass Jordan and be accepted by the world as the best ever...they will have to be at a level where everyone knows well before they retire, THIS is the best player ever. Thats how it was that Jordan ended up universally accepted as the GOAT. The world was in agreement well before he retired. That hasnt happened for Kobe ever, or ANY one else yet. So although Kobe could end up with a better career and legacy than Lebron, Lebron still has a better shot at surpassing Jordan because he has way more career left to go. Kobe would have had to already be considered the GOAT by everyone in order for him to have surpassed Jordan. He could win 2 more titles, and still the world would recognize MJ as the GOAT because of dominance he displayed once they started winning titles. If Lebron put together a string of titles he MIGHT be able to catch Jordan if he is dominant during that time. I personally think this move to Miami with Wade and Bosh will hurt his legacy. But we'll see.
Other Laker fans respect you over me? Like who? LOL! nice one...keep pullin shit out of your ass to make your statements sound less retarded. Your opinion is far from objective...you hate Kobe, you hate the Lakers, and you hate Laker fans. then again, Kobe is pretty much the guy responsible for the Spurs not being the team of the decade, so I dont blame you...but PLEASE, quit acting like your opinion is objective, because anyone with a fucking brain (which automatically discludes cham), can clearly see that you're far from "objective". Kobe hasn't been celebrated as the clear-cut best because he's in an era where the nab and the media is trying to build up other superstars like LeBron by giving them a huge marketing push by overhyping them...Jordan never had to face a media-made phenomenon like LeBron in his prime, what don't you get about that? That still doesn't change the fact that Kobe, in his prime, still has every ability on a basketball court that Jordan did, and then some. In fact, Jordan at Kobe's current age only had HALF of his championships...Imagine if Kobe only has half of his championships right now. it would be ridiculous to claim Jordan>Kobe if Kobe ends his career with anything close to 10 rings..LOL
lol Most ALL of the other Laker fans on this board are far less delusional than you. There is a reason you are such a joke on this entire board lol. Other Laker fans dont always agree with what I say, and I dont always agree with what they say, but I can respect their opinion because it isnt based on complete blindness like yours are. Take M-Dogg for example. HIS every bit the Laker fan you are. But he doesnt come across like a complete idiot and set up thread after thread after thread displaying some complex about his team and favorite player by bashing Lebron all day. And how is Kobe "the guy" responsible for anything? Kobe has been the leader for 2 championships, and 1 loss in the finals. Oh, and that period of time where you guys sucked after Shaq left. The Lakers have been on a roller coaster this decade, with their high point being when Shaq was the main man. The Spurs have been the winningest team in sports for a decade now. When is the last time we won less than 50 games in a season?! Before you were even watching basketball. And typical NIK...blaming the media for Kobe not being considered the clearcut best lol. The media just wants SOMEbody that they can call the next Jordan. ANYBODY. Just one guy who they can say..."he is the best ever!!!". Since Kobe did not become that guy, they moved on to the next guy. They have been doing ever since Jordan retired. If Lebron shows that he isnt that guy, they will find a new guy to latch onto. And championships wont ever be your best arguing tool when it comes to Kobe, seeing as how he was the #2 for 3 of them. And lost twice in the finals. Youd be hardpressed to find anyone who thinks the Bulls wouldnt have won the two years Jordan was gone betweent he three peats. Giving them 8 strait titles. When Jordan really hit his prime and started winning titles, the Bulls were basically unstoppable. It was Jordan and the Bulls...and the rest of the league was just there. The closest thing the Lakers have been to unstoppable over this last decade was when Shaq was at the wheel. Argue and cry all you want NIK. At the end of the day, the man you love wont be considered the best ever.
How am I delusional? Because I think Kobe still has a far more legit shot at surpassing Jordan than LeBron does? EVERY LAKER FAN BELIEVES THAT. It's despicable how much you talk Kobe down and LeBron up just because of your hate for him, and you sound so envious of his greatness, it's simply amazing..and then when you go on record and deny that you don't dislike Kobe, that just makes it even funnier...Notice how you and cham, the two most senseless douches in this section, are the only ones quoting each other in this whole argument...LOL. Who gives a fuck how consistent the Spurs have been, if Kobe was never born, the Spurs would be the team of the decade, without a question, and that thought subconsciously makes you cringe. :-*
I remember when Kobe demanded a trade if the Lakers decided to stay in rebuild mode back in '07, how you even claimed you wouldn't want him on the Spurs...LMAO. you're too much, man. credibility gets lost SOMEWHERE.
The whole board calls you delusional. The fact that you dont realize it, makes you delusional. It has nothing to do with thinking that Kobe has a better shot than Lebron at anything. It has to do with how much you completely exaggerate everything about Kobe lol. I bet you tell people his dick is really bigger than it is. You manage to convince yourself that Kobe wasnt the # 2 guy on the three peat team when the rest of the world knows he was. You convince yourself that Kobe is lightyears ahead of Lebron on the court when the world knows he isnt. You convince yourself that Kobe is on the same level as Jordan when the rest of the world knows he isnt. Etc...etc. I could go on for hours about your delusion if I really wanted to. There are too many examples to write them all down.
And wtf are you talkin about "if Kobe was never born"?! lol. You could argue over who was the team of the decade. You could go off of title count, or you could go off of who has been the better team for the whole decade. The Lakers have the title count, we have been the better team throughout the whole decade. And again, Kobe was the leader for 2 titles. Duncan has been the leader the entire decade of us being the winningest team in sports. Shaq brought LA three titles. Kobe brought 2. Sorry. Its the truth.
And yeah, when Kobe wanted a trade...I didnt want him. I dont deny that at all. It has nothing to do with personally liking or disliking him lol Its the fact that a trade would require US giving up players. The Spurs have been the type of team where they build a team piece by piece. Not just go find big stars. They actually BUILD a team that is cohesive and plays well together. Typically defensive minded, and most importantly...unselfish. Duncan is possibly the most unselfish superstar ever and thats why his fit with the Spurs has been perfect. Manu is an all star, but willing to come off the bench if its what helps the team. Paker did it last year. Kobe doesnt fit that mold of character, and he could have completely thrown off our chemistry. The Olympics were a good example, you dont just go add the biggest stars...you add the right pieces.
You, the LeBron nutriders, and Mdogg (who calls himself "sccit killa" lol) doesn't equal the whole board. I've discussed basketball with many heads on this board, most are much more knowledgeable than you, and all will tell you that I know my shit...even you know I know my shit. you're just upset that I'm a huge fan of the Lakers and Kobe's game, which are seemingly the two things you hate most in life. Kobe was definitely the 2nd option on the threepeat teams, but it was more like 1.a and 1.b (based on Shaq' demanding demeanor).. but you exaggerate his role to "Robin" status, as if he wasn't already considered the best perimeter player in the game and greatest all-around talent in the nba during that era. that's what makes your hate for kobe/Lakers so obvious. as for kobe being lightyears ahead of lebron, that's what it is..i've seen many knowledgeable basketball heads acknowledge the same thing, as well as the fact that the kobe-jordan debate wont be put to rest until kobe retires..so you acting like i'm ridiculous because of that only makes you seem even less legit.
LMAO@"it's arguable whether the team of the decade is the Spurs"...you're joking, right? 5 championships to 3...lakers threepeated and went back-to-back, spurs didn't even repeat once...everyone knows the 2nd title is harder to win...my God, you are such a joke, man. it's not debatable who the team of the decade is lmao.
The olympics were a good example? of what? of how it takes the greatest player in the game leading you to actually win? lol...you're still a dumbass for saying you don't want Kobe on your team.
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The other things Kobe has over LeBron is "clutchness", "leadership skills" & "desire"; ALL THINGS THAT CANNOT BE PROVED.
LeBron is better with the ball, a better passer, a better driver, a more unstoppable force on the break, a better shot blocker, a better rebounder; they are similar defenders; but I'll even allow you to give that to Kobe. Plus LeBron is undeniably the better build/more athletic player.
All Kobe can say is he has the unproveable intangibles & flash his Shaq-given rings & then you mock LeBron for playing with Wade lmfao.
And that's just the way it is.
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^Cuz the topic is LeBron, fuckin genius. come on, man...LOL. you really don't understand that a nutrider can be a hardcore stan OR an obsessed hater? really? if you're obsessed with constantly proving kobe is not as great as everyone says, as you clearly are, you can be labeled a nutrider...nutrider.
the topic is Lebron because of WHO setting up the thread?! LOL!!! You are callin me a nutrider for shit that you are doing lol. You say I hate on Kobe while you set up thread after thread trying to prove Lebron isnt that great....and hanging on to Kobe's nuts the entire time. You make yourself look so stupid in here man and dont even realize it. You are easily the most ignorant Laker fan in this section, and I probably get more respect from them then YOU do cus they know that YOU make real Laker fans look bad.
Youve never once caught me saying Kobe isnt a great player, or even an all time great. What makes you look stupid is when I say shit like, MJ is better...you act like that makes no sense lol. And when I say LeBron is better (which a whole lot of people do, especially before all this free agency shit). You act like its a complete no brainer that Kobe is better. LOL That makes you look like an even bigger dickrider than you already are known as. You can say Kobe is better than LeBron, and I never pretend that it is a ridiculous thing to say. Its a valid opinion. But so is LeBron over Kobe. If it wasnt, their wouldnt be a debate about it. There is no debate over whether LeBron or Adam Morrison is better....because it wouldnt be valid to say Morrison is better.
you're challenging cham for dumbest poster in the sports section, man...LOL. I made this topic cuz i thought it was interesting how quick the lebron nutriders changed their opinions once they saw his true colors. i also never said that "it doesn't make sense" when you say jordan is better thankobe, it just makes you look stupid when you act as if lebron currently has a better shot at surpassing jordan's legacy than kobe does LOL. the same people who say lebron is on kobe's level are the same ones who overhyped him to extreme levels and made him out to be much, much better than he really is. if lebron played in jordan's era with the same amount of hype and kobe played in an era with no other dominant perimeter players, things woulda been a little different. now stop acting like you don't hate kobe LOL. the only time u even talk about lebron is when it's in a debate with kobe.
Like I said, other Laker fans respect what I have to say more than what you have to say lol. They just wont go against you because they dont want to go against the Lakers. But like Ive said before, my opinion is far more objective than a Laker or Lebron fans would be. Im a fan of neither. They could both fail or succeed tomorrow, and it doesnt change a thing for me. Its just hard for you to take your head out of Kobe's ass for a second to be able to understand what it means when someone says Lebron has a better shot at MJ status than Kobe. It doesnt mean that Lebron is hands down better than Kobe. It doesnt even mean that Lebron will end up with a better career than Kobe. Or even go down in history as the better player. All of that is still anyone's guess. What it is, is that Lebron is still in the first half of his career. Kobe is closer to the end of his. Like Ive said a million times, in order for someone to surpass Jordan and be accepted by the world as the best ever...they will have to be at a level where everyone knows well before they retire, THIS is the best player ever. Thats how it was that Jordan ended up universally accepted as the GOAT. The world was in agreement well before he retired. That hasnt happened for Kobe ever, or ANY one else yet. So although Kobe could end up with a better career and legacy than Lebron, Lebron still has a better shot at surpassing Jordan because he has way more career left to go. Kobe would have had to already be considered the GOAT by everyone in order for him to have surpassed Jordan. He could win 2 more titles, and still the world would recognize MJ as the GOAT because of dominance he displayed once they started winning titles. If Lebron put together a string of titles he MIGHT be able to catch Jordan if he is dominant during that time. I personally think this move to Miami with Wade and Bosh will hurt his legacy. But we'll see.
Other Laker fans respect you over me? Like who? LOL! nice one...keep pullin shit out of your ass to make your statements sound less retarded. Your opinion is far from objective...you hate Kobe, you hate the Lakers, and you hate Laker fans. then again, Kobe is pretty much the guy responsible for the Spurs not being the team of the decade, so I dont blame you...but PLEASE, quit acting like your opinion is objective, because anyone with a fucking brain (which automatically discludes cham), can clearly see that you're far from "objective". Kobe hasn't been celebrated as the clear-cut best because he's in an era where the nab and the media is trying to build up other superstars like LeBron by giving them a huge marketing push by overhyping them...Jordan never had to face a media-made phenomenon like LeBron in his prime, what don't you get about that? That still doesn't change the fact that Kobe, in his prime, still has every ability on a basketball court that Jordan did, and then some. In fact, Jordan at Kobe's current age only had HALF of his championships...Imagine if Kobe only has half of his championships right now. it would be ridiculous to claim Jordan>Kobe if Kobe ends his career with anything close to 10 rings..LOL
lol Most ALL of the other Laker fans on this board are far less delusional than you. There is a reason you are such a joke on this entire board lol. Other Laker fans dont always agree with what I say, and I dont always agree with what they say, but I can respect their opinion because it isnt based on complete blindness like yours are. Take M-Dogg for example. HIS every bit the Laker fan you are. But he doesnt come across like a complete idiot and set up thread after thread after thread displaying some complex about his team and favorite player by bashing Lebron all day. And how is Kobe "the guy" responsible for anything? Kobe has been the leader for 2 championships, and 1 loss in the finals. Oh, and that period of time where you guys sucked after Shaq left. The Lakers have been on a roller coaster this decade, with their high point being when Shaq was the main man. The Spurs have been the winningest team in sports for a decade now. When is the last time we won less than 50 games in a season?! Before you were even watching basketball. And typical NIK...blaming the media for Kobe not being considered the clearcut best lol. The media just wants SOMEbody that they can call the next Jordan. ANYBODY. Just one guy who they can say..."he is the best ever!!!". Since Kobe did not become that guy, they moved on to the next guy. They have been doing ever since Jordan retired. If Lebron shows that he isnt that guy, they will find a new guy to latch onto. And championships wont ever be your best arguing tool when it comes to Kobe, seeing as how he was the #2 for 3 of them. And lost twice in the finals. Youd be hardpressed to find anyone who thinks the Bulls wouldnt have won the two years Jordan was gone betweent he three peats. Giving them 8 strait titles. When Jordan really hit his prime and started winning titles, the Bulls were basically unstoppable. It was Jordan and the Bulls...and the rest of the league was just there. The closest thing the Lakers have been to unstoppable over this last decade was when Shaq was at the wheel. Argue and cry all you want NIK. At the end of the day, the man you love wont be considered the best ever.
How am I delusional? Because I think Kobe still has a far more legit shot at surpassing Jordan than LeBron does? EVERY LAKER FAN BELIEVES THAT. It's despicable how much you talk Kobe down and LeBron up just because of your hate for him, and you sound so envious of his greatness, it's simply amazing..and then when you go on record and deny that you don't dislike Kobe, that just makes it even funnier...Notice how you and cham, the two most senseless douches in this section, are the only ones quoting each other in this whole argument...LOL. Who gives a fuck how consistent the Spurs have been, if Kobe was never born, the Spurs would be the team of the decade, without a question, and that thought subconsciously makes you cringe. :-*
I remember when Kobe demanded a trade if the Lakers decided to stay in rebuild mode back in '07, how you even claimed you wouldn't want him on the Spurs...LMAO. you're too much, man. credibility gets lost SOMEWHERE.
The whole board calls you delusional. The fact that you dont realize it, makes you delusional. It has nothing to do with thinking that Kobe has a better shot than Lebron at anything. It has to do with how much you completely exaggerate everything about Kobe lol. I bet you tell people his dick is really bigger than it is. You manage to convince yourself that Kobe wasnt the # 2 guy on the three peat team when the rest of the world knows he was. You convince yourself that Kobe is lightyears ahead of Lebron on the court when the world knows he isnt. You convince yourself that Kobe is on the same level as Jordan when the rest of the world knows he isnt. Etc...etc. I could go on for hours about your delusion if I really wanted to. There are too many examples to write them all down.
And wtf are you talkin about "if Kobe was never born"?! lol. You could argue over who was the team of the decade. You could go off of title count, or you could go off of who has been the better team for the whole decade. The Lakers have the title count, we have been the better team throughout the whole decade. And again, Kobe was the leader for 2 titles. Duncan has been the leader the entire decade of us being the winningest team in sports. Shaq brought LA three titles. Kobe brought 2. Sorry. Its the truth.
And yeah, when Kobe wanted a trade...I didnt want him. I dont deny that at all. It has nothing to do with personally liking or disliking him lol Its the fact that a trade would require US giving up players. The Spurs have been the type of team where they build a team piece by piece. Not just go find big stars. They actually BUILD a team that is cohesive and plays well together. Typically defensive minded, and most importantly...unselfish. Duncan is possibly the most unselfish superstar ever and thats why his fit with the Spurs has been perfect. Manu is an all star, but willing to come off the bench if its what helps the team. Paker did it last year. Kobe doesnt fit that mold of character, and he could have completely thrown off our chemistry. The Olympics were a good example, you dont just go add the biggest stars...you add the right pieces.
You, the LeBron nutriders, and Mdogg (who calls himself "sccit killa" lol) doesn't equal the whole board. I've discussed basketball with many heads on this board, most are much more knowledgeable than you, and all will tell you that I know my shit...even you know I know my shit. you're just upset that I'm a huge fan of the Lakers and Kobe's game, which are seemingly the two things you hate most in life. Kobe was definitely the 2nd option on the threepeat teams, but it was more like 1.a and 1.b (based on Shaq' demanding demeanor).. but you exaggerate his role to "Robin" status, as if he wasn't already considered the best perimeter player in the game and greatest all-around talent in the nba during that era. that's what makes your hate for kobe/Lakers so obvious. as for kobe being lightyears ahead of lebron, that's what it is..i've seen many knowledgeable basketball heads acknowledge the same thing, as well as the fact that the kobe-jordan debate wont be put to rest until kobe retires..so you acting like i'm ridiculous because of that only makes you seem even less legit.
LMAO@"it's arguable whether the team of the decade is the Spurs"...you're joking, right? 5 championships to 3...lakers threepeated and went back-to-back, spurs didn't even repeat once...everyone knows the 2nd title is harder to win...my God, you are such a joke, man. it's not debatable who the team of the decade is lmao.
The olympics were a good example? of what? of how it takes the greatest player in the game leading you to actually win? lol...you're still a dumbass for saying you don't want Kobe on your team.
lol@ doesnt equal the whole board. Youre right man...people on this board have the utmost respect for you and your opinion lol. How do you not see that you are the biggest joke here man? Not only is it sad, its even worse because its been that way for YEARS and you still keep coming back. I cant imagine coming here over and over when nobody even wants you here.
And lol@ "much more knowledgeable than you". Your opinion of who is knowledgeable and who isnt is about as valid as financial advice from a homeless man. You assume people who agree with you, are knowledgeable lol. Again, most Laker fans here know you are a joke. Thats why they even laughed when that video of that dickrider Laker whiteboy was posted and called you. They just dont always argue with you because they dont want to argue against the Lakers. But most of the Laker fans here arent just blind cheerleaders like yourself. Real fans criticize their team when its needed. And NOT just the role players. But the stars as well. When Kobe sucks, they say..."Kobe sucked last night". It doesnt make you less of a fan, it makes you a real one and not some faggot ass cheerleader bitch that thinks Kobe can do no wrong lol. How pathetic.
As far as this decade goes. Its actually 4 titles to 3 titles in the Lakers favor. 2010 is counted in the next decade. It goes from 2000-2009...2010-2019...2020-2029. So yes, the Lakers have one more title than the Spurs. But the Spurs made the playoffs every year this decade, had the highest win percentage in the NBA this decade (and in Sports, over .700), never won less than 53 games in a season, etc...etc. Either way, i dont say the Spurs are definitely the team of the decade. Its clearly only the Lakers or Spurs who can hold that title. And even being a Spurs fan I know it could be argued either way. When you measure the championship count alone. Or if you measure the overall success throughout the decade.
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^Cuz the topic is LeBron, fuckin genius. come on, man...LOL. you really don't understand that a nutrider can be a hardcore stan OR an obsessed hater? really? if you're obsessed with constantly proving kobe is not as great as everyone says, as you clearly are, you can be labeled a nutrider...nutrider.
the topic is Lebron because of WHO setting up the thread?! LOL!!! You are callin me a nutrider for shit that you are doing lol. You say I hate on Kobe while you set up thread after thread trying to prove Lebron isnt that great....and hanging on to Kobe's nuts the entire time. You make yourself look so stupid in here man and dont even realize it. You are easily the most ignorant Laker fan in this section, and I probably get more respect from them then YOU do cus they know that YOU make real Laker fans look bad.
Youve never once caught me saying Kobe isnt a great player, or even an all time great. What makes you look stupid is when I say shit like, MJ is better...you act like that makes no sense lol. And when I say LeBron is better (which a whole lot of people do, especially before all this free agency shit). You act like its a complete no brainer that Kobe is better. LOL That makes you look like an even bigger dickrider than you already are known as. You can say Kobe is better than LeBron, and I never pretend that it is a ridiculous thing to say. Its a valid opinion. But so is LeBron over Kobe. If it wasnt, their wouldnt be a debate about it. There is no debate over whether LeBron or Adam Morrison is better....because it wouldnt be valid to say Morrison is better.
you're challenging cham for dumbest poster in the sports section, man...LOL. I made this topic cuz i thought it was interesting how quick the lebron nutriders changed their opinions once they saw his true colors. i also never said that "it doesn't make sense" when you say jordan is better thankobe, it just makes you look stupid when you act as if lebron currently has a better shot at surpassing jordan's legacy than kobe does LOL. the same people who say lebron is on kobe's level are the same ones who overhyped him to extreme levels and made him out to be much, much better than he really is. if lebron played in jordan's era with the same amount of hype and kobe played in an era with no other dominant perimeter players, things woulda been a little different. now stop acting like you don't hate kobe LOL. the only time u even talk about lebron is when it's in a debate with kobe.
Like I said, other Laker fans respect what I have to say more than what you have to say lol. They just wont go against you because they dont want to go against the Lakers. But like Ive said before, my opinion is far more objective than a Laker or Lebron fans would be. Im a fan of neither. They could both fail or succeed tomorrow, and it doesnt change a thing for me. Its just hard for you to take your head out of Kobe's ass for a second to be able to understand what it means when someone says Lebron has a better shot at MJ status than Kobe. It doesnt mean that Lebron is hands down better than Kobe. It doesnt even mean that Lebron will end up with a better career than Kobe. Or even go down in history as the better player. All of that is still anyone's guess. What it is, is that Lebron is still in the first half of his career. Kobe is closer to the end of his. Like Ive said a million times, in order for someone to surpass Jordan and be accepted by the world as the best ever...they will have to be at a level where everyone knows well before they retire, THIS is the best player ever. Thats how it was that Jordan ended up universally accepted as the GOAT. The world was in agreement well before he retired. That hasnt happened for Kobe ever, or ANY one else yet. So although Kobe could end up with a better career and legacy than Lebron, Lebron still has a better shot at surpassing Jordan because he has way more career left to go. Kobe would have had to already be considered the GOAT by everyone in order for him to have surpassed Jordan. He could win 2 more titles, and still the world would recognize MJ as the GOAT because of dominance he displayed once they started winning titles. If Lebron put together a string of titles he MIGHT be able to catch Jordan if he is dominant during that time. I personally think this move to Miami with Wade and Bosh will hurt his legacy. But we'll see.
Other Laker fans respect you over me? Like who? LOL! nice one...keep pullin shit out of your ass to make your statements sound less retarded. Your opinion is far from objective...you hate Kobe, you hate the Lakers, and you hate Laker fans. then again, Kobe is pretty much the guy responsible for the Spurs not being the team of the decade, so I dont blame you...but PLEASE, quit acting like your opinion is objective, because anyone with a fucking brain (which automatically discludes cham), can clearly see that you're far from "objective". Kobe hasn't been celebrated as the clear-cut best because he's in an era where the nab and the media is trying to build up other superstars like LeBron by giving them a huge marketing push by overhyping them...Jordan never had to face a media-made phenomenon like LeBron in his prime, what don't you get about that? That still doesn't change the fact that Kobe, in his prime, still has every ability on a basketball court that Jordan did, and then some. In fact, Jordan at Kobe's current age only had HALF of his championships...Imagine if Kobe only has half of his championships right now. it would be ridiculous to claim Jordan>Kobe if Kobe ends his career with anything close to 10 rings..LOL
lol Most ALL of the other Laker fans on this board are far less delusional than you. There is a reason you are such a joke on this entire board lol. Other Laker fans dont always agree with what I say, and I dont always agree with what they say, but I can respect their opinion because it isnt based on complete blindness like yours are. Take M-Dogg for example. HIS every bit the Laker fan you are. But he doesnt come across like a complete idiot and set up thread after thread after thread displaying some complex about his team and favorite player by bashing Lebron all day. And how is Kobe "the guy" responsible for anything? Kobe has been the leader for 2 championships, and 1 loss in the finals. Oh, and that period of time where you guys sucked after Shaq left. The Lakers have been on a roller coaster this decade, with their high point being when Shaq was the main man. The Spurs have been the winningest team in sports for a decade now. When is the last time we won less than 50 games in a season?! Before you were even watching basketball. And typical NIK...blaming the media for Kobe not being considered the clearcut best lol. The media just wants SOMEbody that they can call the next Jordan. ANYBODY. Just one guy who they can say..."he is the best ever!!!". Since Kobe did not become that guy, they moved on to the next guy. They have been doing ever since Jordan retired. If Lebron shows that he isnt that guy, they will find a new guy to latch onto. And championships wont ever be your best arguing tool when it comes to Kobe, seeing as how he was the #2 for 3 of them. And lost twice in the finals. Youd be hardpressed to find anyone who thinks the Bulls wouldnt have won the two years Jordan was gone betweent he three peats. Giving them 8 strait titles. When Jordan really hit his prime and started winning titles, the Bulls were basically unstoppable. It was Jordan and the Bulls...and the rest of the league was just there. The closest thing the Lakers have been to unstoppable over this last decade was when Shaq was at the wheel. Argue and cry all you want NIK. At the end of the day, the man you love wont be considered the best ever.
How am I delusional? Because I think Kobe still has a far more legit shot at surpassing Jordan than LeBron does? EVERY LAKER FAN BELIEVES THAT. It's despicable how much you talk Kobe down and LeBron up just because of your hate for him, and you sound so envious of his greatness, it's simply amazing..and then when you go on record and deny that you don't dislike Kobe, that just makes it even funnier...Notice how you and cham, the two most senseless douches in this section, are the only ones quoting each other in this whole argument...LOL. Who gives a fuck how consistent the Spurs have been, if Kobe was never born, the Spurs would be the team of the decade, without a question, and that thought subconsciously makes you cringe. :-*
I remember when Kobe demanded a trade if the Lakers decided to stay in rebuild mode back in '07, how you even claimed you wouldn't want him on the Spurs...LMAO. you're too much, man. credibility gets lost SOMEWHERE.
The whole board calls you delusional. The fact that you dont realize it, makes you delusional. It has nothing to do with thinking that Kobe has a better shot than Lebron at anything. It has to do with how much you completely exaggerate everything about Kobe lol. I bet you tell people his dick is really bigger than it is. You manage to convince yourself that Kobe wasnt the # 2 guy on the three peat team when the rest of the world knows he was. You convince yourself that Kobe is lightyears ahead of Lebron on the court when the world knows he isnt. You convince yourself that Kobe is on the same level as Jordan when the rest of the world knows he isnt. Etc...etc. I could go on for hours about your delusion if I really wanted to. There are too many examples to write them all down.
And wtf are you talkin about "if Kobe was never born"?! lol. You could argue over who was the team of the decade. You could go off of title count, or you could go off of who has been the better team for the whole decade. The Lakers have the title count, we have been the better team throughout the whole decade. And again, Kobe was the leader for 2 titles. Duncan has been the leader the entire decade of us being the winningest team in sports. Shaq brought LA three titles. Kobe brought 2. Sorry. Its the truth.
And yeah, when Kobe wanted a trade...I didnt want him. I dont deny that at all. It has nothing to do with personally liking or disliking him lol Its the fact that a trade would require US giving up players. The Spurs have been the type of team where they build a team piece by piece. Not just go find big stars. They actually BUILD a team that is cohesive and plays well together. Typically defensive minded, and most importantly...unselfish. Duncan is possibly the most unselfish superstar ever and thats why his fit with the Spurs has been perfect. Manu is an all star, but willing to come off the bench if its what helps the team. Paker did it last year. Kobe doesnt fit that mold of character, and he could have completely thrown off our chemistry. The Olympics were a good example, you dont just go add the biggest stars...you add the right pieces.
You, the LeBron nutriders, and Mdogg (who calls himself "sccit killa" lol) doesn't equal the whole board. I've discussed basketball with many heads on this board, most are much more knowledgeable than you, and all will tell you that I know my shit...even you know I know my shit. you're just upset that I'm a huge fan of the Lakers and Kobe's game, which are seemingly the two things you hate most in life. Kobe was definitely the 2nd option on the threepeat teams, but it was more like 1.a and 1.b (based on Shaq' demanding demeanor).. but you exaggerate his role to "Robin" status, as if he wasn't already considered the best perimeter player in the game and greatest all-around talent in the nba during that era. that's what makes your hate for kobe/Lakers so obvious. as for kobe being lightyears ahead of lebron, that's what it is..i've seen many knowledgeable basketball heads acknowledge the same thing, as well as the fact that the kobe-jordan debate wont be put to rest until kobe retires..so you acting like i'm ridiculous because of that only makes you seem even less legit.
LMAO@"it's arguable whether the team of the decade is the Spurs"...you're joking, right? 5 championships to 3...lakers threepeated and went back-to-back, spurs didn't even repeat once...everyone knows the 2nd title is harder to win...my God, you are such a joke, man. it's not debatable who the team of the decade is lmao.
The olympics were a good example? of what? of how it takes the greatest player in the game leading you to actually win? lol...you're still a dumbass for saying you don't want Kobe on your team.
lol@ doesnt equal the whole board. Youre right man...people on this board have the utmost respect for you and your opinion lol. How do you not see that you are the biggest joke here man? Not only is it sad, its even worse because its been that way for YEARS and you still keep coming back. I cant imagine coming here over and over when nobody even wants you here.
And lol@ "much more knowledgeable than you". Your opinion of who is knowledgeable and who isnt is about as valid as financial advice from a homeless man. You assume people who agree with you, are knowledgeable lol. Again, most Laker fans here know you are a joke. Thats why they even laughed when that video of that dickrider Laker whiteboy was posted and called you. They just dont always argue with you because they dont want to argue against the Lakers. But most of the Laker fans here arent just blind cheerleaders like yourself. Real fans criticize their team when its needed. And NOT just the role players. But the stars as well. When Kobe sucks, they say..."Kobe sucked last night". It doesnt make you less of a fan, it makes you a real one and not some faggot ass cheerleader bitch that thinks Kobe can do no wrong lol. How pathetic.
As far as this decade goes. Its actually 4 titles to 3 titles in the Lakers favor. 2010 is counted in the next decade. It goes from 2000-2009...2010-2019...2020-2029. So yes, the Lakers have one more title than the Spurs. But the Spurs made the playoffs every year this decade, had the highest win percentage in the NBA this decade (and in Sports, over .700), never won less than 53 games in a season, etc...etc. Either way, i dont say the Spurs are definitely the team of the decade. Its clearly only the Lakers or Spurs who can hold that title. And even being a Spurs fan I know it could be argued either way. When you measure the championship count alone. Or if you measure the overall success throughout the decade.
dude...how fucking delusional are you lmao? theres only about 7 or so regular posters on this site remaining...of those 7 or so, 4 of them are cool as fuck with me and even hold discussions with me outside of this forum. goddamn, your punkass has bought more into the whole "NIKCC" hype than anyone in the history of this board...calm down, and discuss sports on a mutual basis, you fuckin douche, not with me being a celebrity in the back of your mind..."everyone hates you man! don't u know!!"...you sound like such a pathetic lil child LOL.
now back to the topic, if we may...anyone who thinks it can be argued that Spurs are the team of the decade over the Lakers is a complete tool, such as yourself. In fact, there is no Laker fan out there that would claim it "can be argued"...so the fact that you even say that to begin with, instead of just claiming Spurs, goes to show what a delusional douchebag you truly are..LOL.
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^Cuz the topic is LeBron, fuckin genius. come on, man...LOL. you really don't understand that a nutrider can be a hardcore stan OR an obsessed hater? really? if you're obsessed with constantly proving kobe is not as great as everyone says, as you clearly are, you can be labeled a nutrider...nutrider.
the topic is Lebron because of WHO setting up the thread?! LOL!!! You are callin me a nutrider for shit that you are doing lol. You say I hate on Kobe while you set up thread after thread trying to prove Lebron isnt that great....and hanging on to Kobe's nuts the entire time. You make yourself look so stupid in here man and dont even realize it. You are easily the most ignorant Laker fan in this section, and I probably get more respect from them then YOU do cus they know that YOU make real Laker fans look bad.
Youve never once caught me saying Kobe isnt a great player, or even an all time great. What makes you look stupid is when I say shit like, MJ is better...you act like that makes no sense lol. And when I say LeBron is better (which a whole lot of people do, especially before all this free agency shit). You act like its a complete no brainer that Kobe is better. LOL That makes you look like an even bigger dickrider than you already are known as. You can say Kobe is better than LeBron, and I never pretend that it is a ridiculous thing to say. Its a valid opinion. But so is LeBron over Kobe. If it wasnt, their wouldnt be a debate about it. There is no debate over whether LeBron or Adam Morrison is better....because it wouldnt be valid to say Morrison is better.
you're challenging cham for dumbest poster in the sports section, man...LOL. I made this topic cuz i thought it was interesting how quick the lebron nutriders changed their opinions once they saw his true colors. i also never said that "it doesn't make sense" when you say jordan is better thankobe, it just makes you look stupid when you act as if lebron currently has a better shot at surpassing jordan's legacy than kobe does LOL. the same people who say lebron is on kobe's level are the same ones who overhyped him to extreme levels and made him out to be much, much better than he really is. if lebron played in jordan's era with the same amount of hype and kobe played in an era with no other dominant perimeter players, things woulda been a little different. now stop acting like you don't hate kobe LOL. the only time u even talk about lebron is when it's in a debate with kobe.
Like I said, other Laker fans respect what I have to say more than what you have to say lol. They just wont go against you because they dont want to go against the Lakers. But like Ive said before, my opinion is far more objective than a Laker or Lebron fans would be. Im a fan of neither. They could both fail or succeed tomorrow, and it doesnt change a thing for me. Its just hard for you to take your head out of Kobe's ass for a second to be able to understand what it means when someone says Lebron has a better shot at MJ status than Kobe. It doesnt mean that Lebron is hands down better than Kobe. It doesnt even mean that Lebron will end up with a better career than Kobe. Or even go down in history as the better player. All of that is still anyone's guess. What it is, is that Lebron is still in the first half of his career. Kobe is closer to the end of his. Like Ive said a million times, in order for someone to surpass Jordan and be accepted by the world as the best ever...they will have to be at a level where everyone knows well before they retire, THIS is the best player ever. Thats how it was that Jordan ended up universally accepted as the GOAT. The world was in agreement well before he retired. That hasnt happened for Kobe ever, or ANY one else yet. So although Kobe could end up with a better career and legacy than Lebron, Lebron still has a better shot at surpassing Jordan because he has way more career left to go. Kobe would have had to already be considered the GOAT by everyone in order for him to have surpassed Jordan. He could win 2 more titles, and still the world would recognize MJ as the GOAT because of dominance he displayed once they started winning titles. If Lebron put together a string of titles he MIGHT be able to catch Jordan if he is dominant during that time. I personally think this move to Miami with Wade and Bosh will hurt his legacy. But we'll see.
Other Laker fans respect you over me? Like who? LOL! nice one...keep pullin shit out of your ass to make your statements sound less retarded. Your opinion is far from objective...you hate Kobe, you hate the Lakers, and you hate Laker fans. then again, Kobe is pretty much the guy responsible for the Spurs not being the team of the decade, so I dont blame you...but PLEASE, quit acting like your opinion is objective, because anyone with a fucking brain (which automatically discludes cham), can clearly see that you're far from "objective". Kobe hasn't been celebrated as the clear-cut best because he's in an era where the nab and the media is trying to build up other superstars like LeBron by giving them a huge marketing push by overhyping them...Jordan never had to face a media-made phenomenon like LeBron in his prime, what don't you get about that? That still doesn't change the fact that Kobe, in his prime, still has every ability on a basketball court that Jordan did, and then some. In fact, Jordan at Kobe's current age only had HALF of his championships...Imagine if Kobe only has half of his championships right now. it would be ridiculous to claim Jordan>Kobe if Kobe ends his career with anything close to 10 rings..LOL
lol Most ALL of the other Laker fans on this board are far less delusional than you. There is a reason you are such a joke on this entire board lol. Other Laker fans dont always agree with what I say, and I dont always agree with what they say, but I can respect their opinion because it isnt based on complete blindness like yours are. Take M-Dogg for example. HIS every bit the Laker fan you are. But he doesnt come across like a complete idiot and set up thread after thread after thread displaying some complex about his team and favorite player by bashing Lebron all day. And how is Kobe "the guy" responsible for anything? Kobe has been the leader for 2 championships, and 1 loss in the finals. Oh, and that period of time where you guys sucked after Shaq left. The Lakers have been on a roller coaster this decade, with their high point being when Shaq was the main man. The Spurs have been the winningest team in sports for a decade now. When is the last time we won less than 50 games in a season?! Before you were even watching basketball. And typical NIK...blaming the media for Kobe not being considered the clearcut best lol. The media just wants SOMEbody that they can call the next Jordan. ANYBODY. Just one guy who they can say..."he is the best ever!!!". Since Kobe did not become that guy, they moved on to the next guy. They have been doing ever since Jordan retired. If Lebron shows that he isnt that guy, they will find a new guy to latch onto. And championships wont ever be your best arguing tool when it comes to Kobe, seeing as how he was the #2 for 3 of them. And lost twice in the finals. Youd be hardpressed to find anyone who thinks the Bulls wouldnt have won the two years Jordan was gone betweent he three peats. Giving them 8 strait titles. When Jordan really hit his prime and started winning titles, the Bulls were basically unstoppable. It was Jordan and the Bulls...and the rest of the league was just there. The closest thing the Lakers have been to unstoppable over this last decade was when Shaq was at the wheel. Argue and cry all you want NIK. At the end of the day, the man you love wont be considered the best ever.
How am I delusional? Because I think Kobe still has a far more legit shot at surpassing Jordan than LeBron does? EVERY LAKER FAN BELIEVES THAT. It's despicable how much you talk Kobe down and LeBron up just because of your hate for him, and you sound so envious of his greatness, it's simply amazing..and then when you go on record and deny that you don't dislike Kobe, that just makes it even funnier...Notice how you and cham, the two most senseless douches in this section, are the only ones quoting each other in this whole argument...LOL. Who gives a fuck how consistent the Spurs have been, if Kobe was never born, the Spurs would be the team of the decade, without a question, and that thought subconsciously makes you cringe. :-*
I remember when Kobe demanded a trade if the Lakers decided to stay in rebuild mode back in '07, how you even claimed you wouldn't want him on the Spurs...LMAO. you're too much, man. credibility gets lost SOMEWHERE.
The whole board calls you delusional. The fact that you dont realize it, makes you delusional. It has nothing to do with thinking that Kobe has a better shot than Lebron at anything. It has to do with how much you completely exaggerate everything about Kobe lol. I bet you tell people his dick is really bigger than it is. You manage to convince yourself that Kobe wasnt the # 2 guy on the three peat team when the rest of the world knows he was. You convince yourself that Kobe is lightyears ahead of Lebron on the court when the world knows he isnt. You convince yourself that Kobe is on the same level as Jordan when the rest of the world knows he isnt. Etc...etc. I could go on for hours about your delusion if I really wanted to. There are too many examples to write them all down.
And wtf are you talkin about "if Kobe was never born"?! lol. You could argue over who was the team of the decade. You could go off of title count, or you could go off of who has been the better team for the whole decade. The Lakers have the title count, we have been the better team throughout the whole decade. And again, Kobe was the leader for 2 titles. Duncan has been the leader the entire decade of us being the winningest team in sports. Shaq brought LA three titles. Kobe brought 2. Sorry. Its the truth.
And yeah, when Kobe wanted a trade...I didnt want him. I dont deny that at all. It has nothing to do with personally liking or disliking him lol Its the fact that a trade would require US giving up players. The Spurs have been the type of team where they build a team piece by piece. Not just go find big stars. They actually BUILD a team that is cohesive and plays well together. Typically defensive minded, and most importantly...unselfish. Duncan is possibly the most unselfish superstar ever and thats why his fit with the Spurs has been perfect. Manu is an all star, but willing to come off the bench if its what helps the team. Paker did it last year. Kobe doesnt fit that mold of character, and he could have completely thrown off our chemistry. The Olympics were a good example, you dont just go add the biggest stars...you add the right pieces.
You, the LeBron nutriders, and Mdogg (who calls himself "sccit killa" lol) doesn't equal the whole board. I've discussed basketball with many heads on this board, most are much more knowledgeable than you, and all will tell you that I know my shit...even you know I know my shit. you're just upset that I'm a huge fan of the Lakers and Kobe's game, which are seemingly the two things you hate most in life. Kobe was definitely the 2nd option on the threepeat teams, but it was more like 1.a and 1.b (based on Shaq' demanding demeanor).. but you exaggerate his role to "Robin" status, as if he wasn't already considered the best perimeter player in the game and greatest all-around talent in the nba during that era. that's what makes your hate for kobe/Lakers so obvious. as for kobe being lightyears ahead of lebron, that's what it is..i've seen many knowledgeable basketball heads acknowledge the same thing, as well as the fact that the kobe-jordan debate wont be put to rest until kobe retires..so you acting like i'm ridiculous because of that only makes you seem even less legit.
LMAO@"it's arguable whether the team of the decade is the Spurs"...you're joking, right? 5 championships to 3...lakers threepeated and went back-to-back, spurs didn't even repeat once...everyone knows the 2nd title is harder to win...my God, you are such a joke, man. it's not debatable who the team of the decade is lmao.
The olympics were a good example? of what? of how it takes the greatest player in the game leading you to actually win? lol...you're still a dumbass for saying you don't want Kobe on your team.
lol@ doesnt equal the whole board. Youre right man...people on this board have the utmost respect for you and your opinion lol. How do you not see that you are the biggest joke here man? Not only is it sad, its even worse because its been that way for YEARS and you still keep coming back. I cant imagine coming here over and over when nobody even wants you here.
And lol@ "much more knowledgeable than you". Your opinion of who is knowledgeable and who isnt is about as valid as financial advice from a homeless man. You assume people who agree with you, are knowledgeable lol. Again, most Laker fans here know you are a joke. Thats why they even laughed when that video of that dickrider Laker whiteboy was posted and called you. They just dont always argue with you because they dont want to argue against the Lakers. But most of the Laker fans here arent just blind cheerleaders like yourself. Real fans criticize their team when its needed. And NOT just the role players. But the stars as well. When Kobe sucks, they say..."Kobe sucked last night". It doesnt make you less of a fan, it makes you a real one and not some faggot ass cheerleader bitch that thinks Kobe can do no wrong lol. How pathetic.
As far as this decade goes. Its actually 4 titles to 3 titles in the Lakers favor. 2010 is counted in the next decade. It goes from 2000-2009...2010-2019...2020-2029. So yes, the Lakers have one more title than the Spurs. But the Spurs made the playoffs every year this decade, had the highest win percentage in the NBA this decade (and in Sports, over .700), never won less than 53 games in a season, etc...etc. Either way, i dont say the Spurs are definitely the team of the decade. Its clearly only the Lakers or Spurs who can hold that title. And even being a Spurs fan I know it could be argued either way. When you measure the championship count alone. Or if you measure the overall success throughout the decade.
dude...how fucking delusional are you lmao? theres only about 7 or so regular posters on this site remaining...of those 7 or so, 4 of them are cool as fuck with me and even hold discussions with me outside of this forum. goddamn, your punkass has bought more into the whole "NIKCC" hype than anyone in the history of this board...calm down, and discuss sports on a mutual basis, you fuckin douche, not with me being a celebrity in the back of your mind..."everyone hates you man! don't u know!!"...you sound like such a pathetic lil child LOL.
now back to the topic, if we may...anyone who thinks it can be argued that Spurs are the team of the decade over the Lakers is a complete tool, such as yourself. In fact, there is no Laker fan out there that would claim it "can be argued"...so the fact that you even say that to begin with, instead of just claiming Spurs, goes to show what a delusional douchebag you truly are..LOL.
There are Laker fans would claim that. But they would be educated Laker fans. Again, remember NIK...you are a cheerleader. You dont have the brainpower to view a subject objectively. You think that your opinion must be a fact and that everyone else operates the same way. I am able to see someone elses side of the argument. I can see the argument of Lakers over Spurs for team of the decade. If you cant see the argument of Spurs over Lakers, well thats your own ignorance. Its obviously only really a two team race in that category. And like I said, one team has 4 titles...one has 3. the team with three though has the better win percentage over the decade. Period.
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^Cuz the topic is LeBron, fuckin genius. come on, man...LOL. you really don't understand that a nutrider can be a hardcore stan OR an obsessed hater? really? if you're obsessed with constantly proving kobe is not as great as everyone says, as you clearly are, you can be labeled a nutrider...nutrider.
the topic is Lebron because of WHO setting up the thread?! LOL!!! You are callin me a nutrider for shit that you are doing lol. You say I hate on Kobe while you set up thread after thread trying to prove Lebron isnt that great....and hanging on to Kobe's nuts the entire time. You make yourself look so stupid in here man and dont even realize it. You are easily the most ignorant Laker fan in this section, and I probably get more respect from them then YOU do cus they know that YOU make real Laker fans look bad.
Youve never once caught me saying Kobe isnt a great player, or even an all time great. What makes you look stupid is when I say shit like, MJ is better...you act like that makes no sense lol. And when I say LeBron is better (which a whole lot of people do, especially before all this free agency shit). You act like its a complete no brainer that Kobe is better. LOL That makes you look like an even bigger dickrider than you already are known as. You can say Kobe is better than LeBron, and I never pretend that it is a ridiculous thing to say. Its a valid opinion. But so is LeBron over Kobe. If it wasnt, their wouldnt be a debate about it. There is no debate over whether LeBron or Adam Morrison is better....because it wouldnt be valid to say Morrison is better.
you're challenging cham for dumbest poster in the sports section, man...LOL. I made this topic cuz i thought it was interesting how quick the lebron nutriders changed their opinions once they saw his true colors. i also never said that "it doesn't make sense" when you say jordan is better thankobe, it just makes you look stupid when you act as if lebron currently has a better shot at surpassing jordan's legacy than kobe does LOL. the same people who say lebron is on kobe's level are the same ones who overhyped him to extreme levels and made him out to be much, much better than he really is. if lebron played in jordan's era with the same amount of hype and kobe played in an era with no other dominant perimeter players, things woulda been a little different. now stop acting like you don't hate kobe LOL. the only time u even talk about lebron is when it's in a debate with kobe.
Like I said, other Laker fans respect what I have to say more than what you have to say lol. They just wont go against you because they dont want to go against the Lakers. But like Ive said before, my opinion is far more objective than a Laker or Lebron fans would be. Im a fan of neither. They could both fail or succeed tomorrow, and it doesnt change a thing for me. Its just hard for you to take your head out of Kobe's ass for a second to be able to understand what it means when someone says Lebron has a better shot at MJ status than Kobe. It doesnt mean that Lebron is hands down better than Kobe. It doesnt even mean that Lebron will end up with a better career than Kobe. Or even go down in history as the better player. All of that is still anyone's guess. What it is, is that Lebron is still in the first half of his career. Kobe is closer to the end of his. Like Ive said a million times, in order for someone to surpass Jordan and be accepted by the world as the best ever...they will have to be at a level where everyone knows well before they retire, THIS is the best player ever. Thats how it was that Jordan ended up universally accepted as the GOAT. The world was in agreement well before he retired. That hasnt happened for Kobe ever, or ANY one else yet. So although Kobe could end up with a better career and legacy than Lebron, Lebron still has a better shot at surpassing Jordan because he has way more career left to go. Kobe would have had to already be considered the GOAT by everyone in order for him to have surpassed Jordan. He could win 2 more titles, and still the world would recognize MJ as the GOAT because of dominance he displayed once they started winning titles. If Lebron put together a string of titles he MIGHT be able to catch Jordan if he is dominant during that time. I personally think this move to Miami with Wade and Bosh will hurt his legacy. But we'll see.
Other Laker fans respect you over me? Like who? LOL! nice one...keep pullin shit out of your ass to make your statements sound less retarded. Your opinion is far from objective...you hate Kobe, you hate the Lakers, and you hate Laker fans. then again, Kobe is pretty much the guy responsible for the Spurs not being the team of the decade, so I dont blame you...but PLEASE, quit acting like your opinion is objective, because anyone with a fucking brain (which automatically discludes cham), can clearly see that you're far from "objective". Kobe hasn't been celebrated as the clear-cut best because he's in an era where the nab and the media is trying to build up other superstars like LeBron by giving them a huge marketing push by overhyping them...Jordan never had to face a media-made phenomenon like LeBron in his prime, what don't you get about that? That still doesn't change the fact that Kobe, in his prime, still has every ability on a basketball court that Jordan did, and then some. In fact, Jordan at Kobe's current age only had HALF of his championships...Imagine if Kobe only has half of his championships right now. it would be ridiculous to claim Jordan>Kobe if Kobe ends his career with anything close to 10 rings..LOL
lol Most ALL of the other Laker fans on this board are far less delusional than you. There is a reason you are such a joke on this entire board lol. Other Laker fans dont always agree with what I say, and I dont always agree with what they say, but I can respect their opinion because it isnt based on complete blindness like yours are. Take M-Dogg for example. HIS every bit the Laker fan you are. But he doesnt come across like a complete idiot and set up thread after thread after thread displaying some complex about his team and favorite player by bashing Lebron all day. And how is Kobe "the guy" responsible for anything? Kobe has been the leader for 2 championships, and 1 loss in the finals. Oh, and that period of time where you guys sucked after Shaq left. The Lakers have been on a roller coaster this decade, with their high point being when Shaq was the main man. The Spurs have been the winningest team in sports for a decade now. When is the last time we won less than 50 games in a season?! Before you were even watching basketball. And typical NIK...blaming the media for Kobe not being considered the clearcut best lol. The media just wants SOMEbody that they can call the next Jordan. ANYBODY. Just one guy who they can say..."he is the best ever!!!". Since Kobe did not become that guy, they moved on to the next guy. They have been doing ever since Jordan retired. If Lebron shows that he isnt that guy, they will find a new guy to latch onto. And championships wont ever be your best arguing tool when it comes to Kobe, seeing as how he was the #2 for 3 of them. And lost twice in the finals. Youd be hardpressed to find anyone who thinks the Bulls wouldnt have won the two years Jordan was gone betweent he three peats. Giving them 8 strait titles. When Jordan really hit his prime and started winning titles, the Bulls were basically unstoppable. It was Jordan and the Bulls...and the rest of the league was just there. The closest thing the Lakers have been to unstoppable over this last decade was when Shaq was at the wheel. Argue and cry all you want NIK. At the end of the day, the man you love wont be considered the best ever.
How am I delusional? Because I think Kobe still has a far more legit shot at surpassing Jordan than LeBron does? EVERY LAKER FAN BELIEVES THAT. It's despicable how much you talk Kobe down and LeBron up just because of your hate for him, and you sound so envious of his greatness, it's simply amazing..and then when you go on record and deny that you don't dislike Kobe, that just makes it even funnier...Notice how you and cham, the two most senseless douches in this section, are the only ones quoting each other in this whole argument...LOL. Who gives a fuck how consistent the Spurs have been, if Kobe was never born, the Spurs would be the team of the decade, without a question, and that thought subconsciously makes you cringe. :-*
I remember when Kobe demanded a trade if the Lakers decided to stay in rebuild mode back in '07, how you even claimed you wouldn't want him on the Spurs...LMAO. you're too much, man. credibility gets lost SOMEWHERE.
The whole board calls you delusional. The fact that you dont realize it, makes you delusional. It has nothing to do with thinking that Kobe has a better shot than Lebron at anything. It has to do with how much you completely exaggerate everything about Kobe lol. I bet you tell people his dick is really bigger than it is. You manage to convince yourself that Kobe wasnt the # 2 guy on the three peat team when the rest of the world knows he was. You convince yourself that Kobe is lightyears ahead of Lebron on the court when the world knows he isnt. You convince yourself that Kobe is on the same level as Jordan when the rest of the world knows he isnt. Etc...etc. I could go on for hours about your delusion if I really wanted to. There are too many examples to write them all down.
And wtf are you talkin about "if Kobe was never born"?! lol. You could argue over who was the team of the decade. You could go off of title count, or you could go off of who has been the better team for the whole decade. The Lakers have the title count, we have been the better team throughout the whole decade. And again, Kobe was the leader for 2 titles. Duncan has been the leader the entire decade of us being the winningest team in sports. Shaq brought LA three titles. Kobe brought 2. Sorry. Its the truth.
And yeah, when Kobe wanted a trade...I didnt want him. I dont deny that at all. It has nothing to do with personally liking or disliking him lol Its the fact that a trade would require US giving up players. The Spurs have been the type of team where they build a team piece by piece. Not just go find big stars. They actually BUILD a team that is cohesive and plays well together. Typically defensive minded, and most importantly...unselfish. Duncan is possibly the most unselfish superstar ever and thats why his fit with the Spurs has been perfect. Manu is an all star, but willing to come off the bench if its what helps the team. Paker did it last year. Kobe doesnt fit that mold of character, and he could have completely thrown off our chemistry. The Olympics were a good example, you dont just go add the biggest stars...you add the right pieces.
You, the LeBron nutriders, and Mdogg (who calls himself "sccit killa" lol) doesn't equal the whole board. I've discussed basketball with many heads on this board, most are much more knowledgeable than you, and all will tell you that I know my shit...even you know I know my shit. you're just upset that I'm a huge fan of the Lakers and Kobe's game, which are seemingly the two things you hate most in life. Kobe was definitely the 2nd option on the threepeat teams, but it was more like 1.a and 1.b (based on Shaq' demanding demeanor).. but you exaggerate his role to "Robin" status, as if he wasn't already considered the best perimeter player in the game and greatest all-around talent in the nba during that era. that's what makes your hate for kobe/Lakers so obvious. as for kobe being lightyears ahead of lebron, that's what it is..i've seen many knowledgeable basketball heads acknowledge the same thing, as well as the fact that the kobe-jordan debate wont be put to rest until kobe retires..so you acting like i'm ridiculous because of that only makes you seem even less legit.
LMAO@"it's arguable whether the team of the decade is the Spurs"...you're joking, right? 5 championships to 3...lakers threepeated and went back-to-back, spurs didn't even repeat once...everyone knows the 2nd title is harder to win...my God, you are such a joke, man. it's not debatable who the team of the decade is lmao.
The olympics were a good example? of what? of how it takes the greatest player in the game leading you to actually win? lol...you're still a dumbass for saying you don't want Kobe on your team.
lol@ doesnt equal the whole board. Youre right man...people on this board have the utmost respect for you and your opinion lol. How do you not see that you are the biggest joke here man? Not only is it sad, its even worse because its been that way for YEARS and you still keep coming back. I cant imagine coming here over and over when nobody even wants you here.
And lol@ "much more knowledgeable than you". Your opinion of who is knowledgeable and who isnt is about as valid as financial advice from a homeless man. You assume people who agree with you, are knowledgeable lol. Again, most Laker fans here know you are a joke. Thats why they even laughed when that video of that dickrider Laker whiteboy was posted and called you. They just dont always argue with you because they dont want to argue against the Lakers. But most of the Laker fans here arent just blind cheerleaders like yourself. Real fans criticize their team when its needed. And NOT just the role players. But the stars as well. When Kobe sucks, they say..."Kobe sucked last night". It doesnt make you less of a fan, it makes you a real one and not some faggot ass cheerleader bitch that thinks Kobe can do no wrong lol. How pathetic.
As far as this decade goes. Its actually 4 titles to 3 titles in the Lakers favor. 2010 is counted in the next decade. It goes from 2000-2009...2010-2019...2020-2029. So yes, the Lakers have one more title than the Spurs. But the Spurs made the playoffs every year this decade, had the highest win percentage in the NBA this decade (and in Sports, over .700), never won less than 53 games in a season, etc...etc. Either way, i dont say the Spurs are definitely the team of the decade. Its clearly only the Lakers or Spurs who can hold that title. And even being a Spurs fan I know it could be argued either way. When you measure the championship count alone. Or if you measure the overall success throughout the decade.
dude...how fucking delusional are you lmao? theres only about 7 or so regular posters on this site remaining...of those 7 or so, 4 of them are cool as fuck with me and even hold discussions with me outside of this forum. goddamn, your punkass has bought more into the whole "NIKCC" hype than anyone in the history of this board...calm down, and discuss sports on a mutual basis, you fuckin douche, not with me being a celebrity in the back of your mind..."everyone hates you man! don't u know!!"...you sound like such a pathetic lil child LOL.
now back to the topic, if we may...anyone who thinks it can be argued that Spurs are the team of the decade over the Lakers is a complete tool, such as yourself. In fact, there is no Laker fan out there that would claim it "can be argued"...so the fact that you even say that to begin with, instead of just claiming Spurs, goes to show what a delusional douchebag you truly are..LOL.
There are Laker fans would claim that. But they would be educated Laker fans. Again, remember NIK...you are a cheerleader. You dont have the brainpower to view a subject objectively. You think that your opinion must be a fact and that everyone else operates the same way. I am able to see someone elses side of the argument. I can see the argument of Lakers over Spurs for team of the decade. If you cant see the argument of Spurs over Lakers, well thats your own ignorance. Its obviously only really a two team race in that category. And like I said, one team has 4 titles...one has 3. the team with three though has the better win percentage over the decade. Period.
yea...and the team that won 4 also threepeated in the process, while the team that won 3 didn't win ANY of their titles back-to-back. again, LOL@your dumbness. not to mention, Lakers made the Finals 6 times in the decade, and Spurs made it only 3... show me ONE Laker fan that says it's even up for debate, and I'll show you a Spurs fan in disguise :-*
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^Cuz the topic is LeBron, fuckin genius. come on, man...LOL. you really don't understand that a nutrider can be a hardcore stan OR an obsessed hater? really? if you're obsessed with constantly proving kobe is not as great as everyone says, as you clearly are, you can be labeled a nutrider...nutrider.
the topic is Lebron because of WHO setting up the thread?! LOL!!! You are callin me a nutrider for shit that you are doing lol. You say I hate on Kobe while you set up thread after thread trying to prove Lebron isnt that great....and hanging on to Kobe's nuts the entire time. You make yourself look so stupid in here man and dont even realize it. You are easily the most ignorant Laker fan in this section, and I probably get more respect from them then YOU do cus they know that YOU make real Laker fans look bad.
Youve never once caught me saying Kobe isnt a great player, or even an all time great. What makes you look stupid is when I say shit like, MJ is better...you act like that makes no sense lol. And when I say LeBron is better (which a whole lot of people do, especially before all this free agency shit). You act like its a complete no brainer that Kobe is better. LOL That makes you look like an even bigger dickrider than you already are known as. You can say Kobe is better than LeBron, and I never pretend that it is a ridiculous thing to say. Its a valid opinion. But so is LeBron over Kobe. If it wasnt, their wouldnt be a debate about it. There is no debate over whether LeBron or Adam Morrison is better....because it wouldnt be valid to say Morrison is better.
you're challenging cham for dumbest poster in the sports section, man...LOL. I made this topic cuz i thought it was interesting how quick the lebron nutriders changed their opinions once they saw his true colors. i also never said that "it doesn't make sense" when you say jordan is better thankobe, it just makes you look stupid when you act as if lebron currently has a better shot at surpassing jordan's legacy than kobe does LOL. the same people who say lebron is on kobe's level are the same ones who overhyped him to extreme levels and made him out to be much, much better than he really is. if lebron played in jordan's era with the same amount of hype and kobe played in an era with no other dominant perimeter players, things woulda been a little different. now stop acting like you don't hate kobe LOL. the only time u even talk about lebron is when it's in a debate with kobe.
Like I said, other Laker fans respect what I have to say more than what you have to say lol. They just wont go against you because they dont want to go against the Lakers. But like Ive said before, my opinion is far more objective than a Laker or Lebron fans would be. Im a fan of neither. They could both fail or succeed tomorrow, and it doesnt change a thing for me. Its just hard for you to take your head out of Kobe's ass for a second to be able to understand what it means when someone says Lebron has a better shot at MJ status than Kobe. It doesnt mean that Lebron is hands down better than Kobe. It doesnt even mean that Lebron will end up with a better career than Kobe. Or even go down in history as the better player. All of that is still anyone's guess. What it is, is that Lebron is still in the first half of his career. Kobe is closer to the end of his. Like Ive said a million times, in order for someone to surpass Jordan and be accepted by the world as the best ever...they will have to be at a level where everyone knows well before they retire, THIS is the best player ever. Thats how it was that Jordan ended up universally accepted as the GOAT. The world was in agreement well before he retired. That hasnt happened for Kobe ever, or ANY one else yet. So although Kobe could end up with a better career and legacy than Lebron, Lebron still has a better shot at surpassing Jordan because he has way more career left to go. Kobe would have had to already be considered the GOAT by everyone in order for him to have surpassed Jordan. He could win 2 more titles, and still the world would recognize MJ as the GOAT because of dominance he displayed once they started winning titles. If Lebron put together a string of titles he MIGHT be able to catch Jordan if he is dominant during that time. I personally think this move to Miami with Wade and Bosh will hurt his legacy. But we'll see.
Other Laker fans respect you over me? Like who? LOL! nice one...keep pullin shit out of your ass to make your statements sound less retarded. Your opinion is far from objective...you hate Kobe, you hate the Lakers, and you hate Laker fans. then again, Kobe is pretty much the guy responsible for the Spurs not being the team of the decade, so I dont blame you...but PLEASE, quit acting like your opinion is objective, because anyone with a fucking brain (which automatically discludes cham), can clearly see that you're far from "objective". Kobe hasn't been celebrated as the clear-cut best because he's in an era where the nab and the media is trying to build up other superstars like LeBron by giving them a huge marketing push by overhyping them...Jordan never had to face a media-made phenomenon like LeBron in his prime, what don't you get about that? That still doesn't change the fact that Kobe, in his prime, still has every ability on a basketball court that Jordan did, and then some. In fact, Jordan at Kobe's current age only had HALF of his championships...Imagine if Kobe only has half of his championships right now. it would be ridiculous to claim Jordan>Kobe if Kobe ends his career with anything close to 10 rings..LOL
lol Most ALL of the other Laker fans on this board are far less delusional than you. There is a reason you are such a joke on this entire board lol. Other Laker fans dont always agree with what I say, and I dont always agree with what they say, but I can respect their opinion because it isnt based on complete blindness like yours are. Take M-Dogg for example. HIS every bit the Laker fan you are. But he doesnt come across like a complete idiot and set up thread after thread after thread displaying some complex about his team and favorite player by bashing Lebron all day. And how is Kobe "the guy" responsible for anything? Kobe has been the leader for 2 championships, and 1 loss in the finals. Oh, and that period of time where you guys sucked after Shaq left. The Lakers have been on a roller coaster this decade, with their high point being when Shaq was the main man. The Spurs have been the winningest team in sports for a decade now. When is the last time we won less than 50 games in a season?! Before you were even watching basketball. And typical NIK...blaming the media for Kobe not being considered the clearcut best lol. The media just wants SOMEbody that they can call the next Jordan. ANYBODY. Just one guy who they can say..."he is the best ever!!!". Since Kobe did not become that guy, they moved on to the next guy. They have been doing ever since Jordan retired. If Lebron shows that he isnt that guy, they will find a new guy to latch onto. And championships wont ever be your best arguing tool when it comes to Kobe, seeing as how he was the #2 for 3 of them. And lost twice in the finals. Youd be hardpressed to find anyone who thinks the Bulls wouldnt have won the two years Jordan was gone betweent he three peats. Giving them 8 strait titles. When Jordan really hit his prime and started winning titles, the Bulls were basically unstoppable. It was Jordan and the Bulls...and the rest of the league was just there. The closest thing the Lakers have been to unstoppable over this last decade was when Shaq was at the wheel. Argue and cry all you want NIK. At the end of the day, the man you love wont be considered the best ever.
How am I delusional? Because I think Kobe still has a far more legit shot at surpassing Jordan than LeBron does? EVERY LAKER FAN BELIEVES THAT. It's despicable how much you talk Kobe down and LeBron up just because of your hate for him, and you sound so envious of his greatness, it's simply amazing..and then when you go on record and deny that you don't dislike Kobe, that just makes it even funnier...Notice how you and cham, the two most senseless douches in this section, are the only ones quoting each other in this whole argument...LOL. Who gives a fuck how consistent the Spurs have been, if Kobe was never born, the Spurs would be the team of the decade, without a question, and that thought subconsciously makes you cringe. :-*
I remember when Kobe demanded a trade if the Lakers decided to stay in rebuild mode back in '07, how you even claimed you wouldn't want him on the Spurs...LMAO. you're too much, man. credibility gets lost SOMEWHERE.
The whole board calls you delusional. The fact that you dont realize it, makes you delusional. It has nothing to do with thinking that Kobe has a better shot than Lebron at anything. It has to do with how much you completely exaggerate everything about Kobe lol. I bet you tell people his dick is really bigger than it is. You manage to convince yourself that Kobe wasnt the # 2 guy on the three peat team when the rest of the world knows he was. You convince yourself that Kobe is lightyears ahead of Lebron on the court when the world knows he isnt. You convince yourself that Kobe is on the same level as Jordan when the rest of the world knows he isnt. Etc...etc. I could go on for hours about your delusion if I really wanted to. There are too many examples to write them all down.
And wtf are you talkin about "if Kobe was never born"?! lol. You could argue over who was the team of the decade. You could go off of title count, or you could go off of who has been the better team for the whole decade. The Lakers have the title count, we have been the better team throughout the whole decade. And again, Kobe was the leader for 2 titles. Duncan has been the leader the entire decade of us being the winningest team in sports. Shaq brought LA three titles. Kobe brought 2. Sorry. Its the truth.
And yeah, when Kobe wanted a trade...I didnt want him. I dont deny that at all. It has nothing to do with personally liking or disliking him lol Its the fact that a trade would require US giving up players. The Spurs have been the type of team where they build a team piece by piece. Not just go find big stars. They actually BUILD a team that is cohesive and plays well together. Typically defensive minded, and most importantly...unselfish. Duncan is possibly the most unselfish superstar ever and thats why his fit with the Spurs has been perfect. Manu is an all star, but willing to come off the bench if its what helps the team. Paker did it last year. Kobe doesnt fit that mold of character, and he could have completely thrown off our chemistry. The Olympics were a good example, you dont just go add the biggest stars...you add the right pieces.
You, the LeBron nutriders, and Mdogg (who calls himself "sccit killa" lol) doesn't equal the whole board. I've discussed basketball with many heads on this board, most are much more knowledgeable than you, and all will tell you that I know my shit...even you know I know my shit. you're just upset that I'm a huge fan of the Lakers and Kobe's game, which are seemingly the two things you hate most in life. Kobe was definitely the 2nd option on the threepeat teams, but it was more like 1.a and 1.b (based on Shaq' demanding demeanor).. but you exaggerate his role to "Robin" status, as if he wasn't already considered the best perimeter player in the game and greatest all-around talent in the nba during that era. that's what makes your hate for kobe/Lakers so obvious. as for kobe being lightyears ahead of lebron, that's what it is..i've seen many knowledgeable basketball heads acknowledge the same thing, as well as the fact that the kobe-jordan debate wont be put to rest until kobe retires..so you acting like i'm ridiculous because of that only makes you seem even less legit.
LMAO@"it's arguable whether the team of the decade is the Spurs"...you're joking, right? 5 championships to 3...lakers threepeated and went back-to-back, spurs didn't even repeat once...everyone knows the 2nd title is harder to win...my God, you are such a joke, man. it's not debatable who the team of the decade is lmao.
The olympics were a good example? of what? of how it takes the greatest player in the game leading you to actually win? lol...you're still a dumbass for saying you don't want Kobe on your team.
lol@ doesnt equal the whole board. Youre right man...people on this board have the utmost respect for you and your opinion lol. How do you not see that you are the biggest joke here man? Not only is it sad, its even worse because its been that way for YEARS and you still keep coming back. I cant imagine coming here over and over when nobody even wants you here.
And lol@ "much more knowledgeable than you". Your opinion of who is knowledgeable and who isnt is about as valid as financial advice from a homeless man. You assume people who agree with you, are knowledgeable lol. Again, most Laker fans here know you are a joke. Thats why they even laughed when that video of that dickrider Laker whiteboy was posted and called you. They just dont always argue with you because they dont want to argue against the Lakers. But most of the Laker fans here arent just blind cheerleaders like yourself. Real fans criticize their team when its needed. And NOT just the role players. But the stars as well. When Kobe sucks, they say..."Kobe sucked last night". It doesnt make you less of a fan, it makes you a real one and not some faggot ass cheerleader bitch that thinks Kobe can do no wrong lol. How pathetic.
As far as this decade goes. Its actually 4 titles to 3 titles in the Lakers favor. 2010 is counted in the next decade. It goes from 2000-2009...2010-2019...2020-2029. So yes, the Lakers have one more title than the Spurs. But the Spurs made the playoffs every year this decade, had the highest win percentage in the NBA this decade (and in Sports, over .700), never won less than 53 games in a season, etc...etc. Either way, i dont say the Spurs are definitely the team of the decade. Its clearly only the Lakers or Spurs who can hold that title. And even being a Spurs fan I know it could be argued either way. When you measure the championship count alone. Or if you measure the overall success throughout the decade.
dude...how fucking delusional are you lmao? theres only about 7 or so regular posters on this site remaining...of those 7 or so, 4 of them are cool as fuck with me and even hold discussions with me outside of this forum. goddamn, your punkass has bought more into the whole "NIKCC" hype than anyone in the history of this board...calm down, and discuss sports on a mutual basis, you fuckin douche, not with me being a celebrity in the back of your mind..."everyone hates you man! don't u know!!"...you sound like such a pathetic lil child LOL.
now back to the topic, if we may...anyone who thinks it can be argued that Spurs are the team of the decade over the Lakers is a complete tool, such as yourself. In fact, there is no Laker fan out there that would claim it "can be argued"...so the fact that you even say that to begin with, instead of just claiming Spurs, goes to show what a delusional douchebag you truly are..LOL.
There are Laker fans would claim that. But they would be educated Laker fans. Again, remember NIK...you are a cheerleader. You dont have the brainpower to view a subject objectively. You think that your opinion must be a fact and that everyone else operates the same way. I am able to see someone elses side of the argument. I can see the argument of Lakers over Spurs for team of the decade. If you cant see the argument of Spurs over Lakers, well thats your own ignorance. Its obviously only really a two team race in that category. And like I said, one team has 4 titles...one has 3. the team with three though has the better win percentage over the decade. Period.
yea...and the team that won 4 also threepeated in the process, while the team that won 3 didn't win ANY of their titles back-to-back. again, LOL@your dumbness. not to mention, Lakers made the Finals 6 times in the decade, and Spurs made it only 3... show me ONE Laker fan that says it's even up for debate, and I'll show you a Spurs fan in disguise :-*
You also arent bringing up the fact that you guys had your little dip once Shaq left and the team was ass. You only argue one side. You did get to the finals 6 times, I will give u that. But you only won 4 and got manhandled in the other 2. The fact that we still were the better team by win percentage even with all that "greatness" you think the Lakers showed....is pretty amazing huh?
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^all that still doesnt mean shit...LAKERS WON MORE TITLES. LAKERS MADE MORE FINALS APPEARANCES. LAKERS THREEPEATED. All you have in your lame little argument is regular season winning percentage. thats embarrassing, bro.