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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: M Dogg™ on August 13, 2010, 06:58:16 PM
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In January 2013, when we are swearing in President Sarah Palin, this will be the moment that marks that change.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/08/13/obama.islamic.center.support/index.html?hpt=T1&iref=BN1
Obama throws support behind controversial Islamic center
Washington (CNN) -- President Obama threw his support behind a controversial proposal to build an Islamic center and mosque near New York's ground zero, saying Friday that "Muslims have the same right to practice their religion as anyone else in this country."
"That includes the right to build a place of worship and a community center on private property in lower Manhattan, in accordance with local laws and ordinances," Obama said at a White House Iftar dinner celebrating the Islamic holy month of Ramadan.
The president's remarks drew praise from New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg, who announced his support for the Islamic center last week.
Bloomberg compared Obama's speech to a letter President George Washington wrote in support of a Jewish congregation in Newport, Rhode Island. "President Obama's words tonight evoked President Washington's own August reminder that 'all possess alike liberty,' " Bloomberg said in a statement.
"I applaud President Obama's clarion defense of the freedom of religion tonight," he said.
Obama, who said he was speaking both as a citizen and as president, invoked the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, which critics of the Islamic center cite as the main reason for preventing its construction.
"We must all recognize and respect the sensitivities surrounding the development of lower Manhattan," Obama said, according to his prepared remarks. "The 9/11 attacks were a deeply traumatic event for our country."
"The pain and suffering experienced by those who lost loved ones is unimaginable," he continued. "So I understand the emotions that this issue engenders. Ground Zero is, indeed, hallowed ground."
But Obama argued that American ideals and the Constitution demanded that the project proceed.
"This is America, and our commitment to religious freedom must be unshakable," he said. "The principle that people of all faiths are welcome in this country, and will not be treated differently by their government, is essential to who we are. The writ of our Founders must endure."
The proposed Islamic center has provoked vocal opposition from some families of 9/11 victims and other groups. Nearly 70 percent of Americans oppose the plan, according to CNN/Opinion Research Corporation Poll released Wednesday.
The project's leaders say they plan to build the $100 million, 13-story facility called Cordoba House three blocks from the site of the 9/11 attacks. The developer, Sharif El-Gamal, describes the project as an "Islamic community center" that will include a 500-seat performing arts center, a lecture hall, a swimming pool, a gym, a culinary school, a restaurant and a prayer space for Muslims.
On Wednesday, the project's developers declined an offer by New York Gov. David Paterson to relocate the project to a state-owned site.
Earlier this month, the New York City Landmarks Preservation Commission unanimously denied landmark status for the building where the proposed Islamic center would stand, allowing the project to move forward.
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Im sure racist fucks like Rush Limbaugh are already calling it Obama's Islamic Center.
I think he did the right thing in supporting the proposal, unfortunately in politics doing the right thing can hurt you.
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WTF? He's supporting it citing religious freedom.
GOP needs to go read up on the 1st amendment. Of course, the average dumb fuck American will fill in the blanks on their own and believe Obama is leading a Islamic revolution.
SMH.....
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you gotta be stupid to want to put a islamic center there lol. i can't wait to read the headlines "ISLAMIC CENTER MASSACRE..291 MUSLIMS DEAD". I will laugh like the joker.
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you gotta be stupid to want to put a islamic center there lol. i can't wait to read the headlines "ISLAMIC CENTER MASSACRE..291 MUSLIMS DEAD". I will laugh like the joker.
hahahaha
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you gotta be stupid to want to put a islamic center there lol. i can't wait to read the headlines "ISLAMIC CENTER MASSACRE..291 MUSLIMS DEAD". I will laugh like the joker.
I agree. The fuckers are trying to push people's buttons with the issue. They put that nigga in a bad spot with that shit.
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MDogg, what your doing is using a logical fallacy, which is known as "appeal to consequences of action".
Nevermind whats right or wrong or constitutional.
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Kind of interesting that over here the Christians & Muslims show each other a form of support when over in America they're sworn enemies.
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Im sure racist fucks like Rush Limbaugh are already calling it Obama's Islamic Center.
I think he did the right thing in supporting the proposal, unfortunately in politics doing the right thing can hurt you.
too true :(
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But at the same time a secret kill list enacted into law,, allowing the CIA to kill anyone, anywhere in the world, including american citizens, if they are deemed a "terrorist" making this the most tyrannical presidency ever seen, making bush like soft, is essentially hushed up, but that's okay, this story here is the outrage! not a secret assassination list of anyone who is a "danger to national security".
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this is a fucked up world we live, fuck those fucking terrorist ass niggas knowing damn well they can put that shit anywhere else but they wanna put near ground zero.
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this is a fucked up world we live, fuck those fucking terrorist ass niggas knowing damn well they can put that shit anywhere else but they wanna put near ground zero.
you do understand that not everyone who worships Allah is a terrorist....just the same, not everyone who worships Jesus Christ is KKK?
I mean, if u worship any invisible man in the sky youre a lil bit insane. But you cant just keep ONE religion from building and allow others.
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But at the same time a secret kill list enacted into law,, allowing the CIA to kill anyone, anywhere in the world, including american citizens, if they are deemed a "terrorist" making this the most tyrannical presidency ever seen, making bush like soft, is essentially hushed up, but that's okay, this story here is the outrage! not a secret assassination list of anyone who is a "danger to national security".
lol
Maybe we should bring back the retard. If you dont think the CIA had the ability, and was willing to kill anyone it wanted to far before Obama got into office...I dont know what to tell you. lol
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But at the same time a secret kill list enacted into law,, allowing the CIA to kill anyone, anywhere in the world, including american citizens, if they are deemed a "terrorist" making this the most tyrannical presidency ever seen, making bush like soft, is essentially hushed up, but that's okay, this story here is the outrage! not a secret assassination list of anyone who is a "danger to national security".
lol
Maybe we should bring back the retard. If you dont think the CIA had the ability, and was willing to kill anyone it wanted to far before Obama got into office...I dont know what to tell you. lol
"Sigh"you are missing the point, first of all what difference does it make if he was retarded or not, he never ran shit, but secondly, by them solidifying this into law, they are brazenly announcing this power, yes, I am sure the CIA committed all sorts of murders prior to this, but they weren't given legal protection to do so. Yet despite announcing that the CIA have a right to kill anyone they wish to, and in turn announcing that americans have absolutely no rights, this is the big story.
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this is a fucked up world we live, fuck those fucking terrorist ass niggas knowing damn well they can put that shit anywhere else but they wanna put near ground zero.
you do understand that not everyone who worships Allah is a terrorist....just the same, not everyone who worships Jesus Christ is KKK?
I mean, if u worship any invisible man in the sky youre a lil bit insane. But you cant just keep ONE religion from building and allow others.
networth my equal, i swear some americans just really don't get it,and this is the same country to said for years whites and blacc's marrying was against the law in several states, and lets not forget slavery,get off your high horse patriots haha, and when you say aww that stuff was a long time ago, so was the 9/11 in today's time, keep it networth yell
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you do understand that not everyone who worships Allah is a terrorist....just the same, not everyone who worships Jesus Christ is KKK?
lol, thats the beauty of the argument against building the mosque over there. They are blatantly saying insinuating it, but without ever putting those words together. Shit cracks me up.
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But at the same time a secret kill list enacted into law,, allowing the CIA to kill anyone, anywhere in the world, including american citizens, if they are deemed a "terrorist" making this the most tyrannical presidency ever seen, making bush like soft, is essentially hushed up, but that's okay, this story here is the outrage! not a secret assassination list of anyone who is a "danger to national security".
lol
Maybe we should bring back the retard. If you dont think the CIA had the ability, and was willing to kill anyone it wanted to far before Obama got into office...I dont know what to tell you. lol
"Sigh"you are missing the point, first of all what difference does it make if he was retarded or not, he never ran shit, but secondly, by them solidifying this into law, they are brazenly announcing this power, yes, I am sure the CIA committed all sorts of murders prior to this, but they weren't given legal protection to do so. Yet despite announcing that the CIA have a right to kill anyone they wish to, and in turn announcing that americans have absolutely no rights, this is the big story.
Making into law what already is practiced is basically saying, hey, look at this, we are doing it, and it's law, then of course it puts a spotlight on it, then people get mad and then people protest. What happened before was, don't look over this way, nothing is going on, then people didn't look. You realize this really will change nothing, other than we know what going on now. Just like before, when Obama tried to close Gitmo, he reviled all the "Black Sights" that made Gitmo look like a Holiday Inn. Nothing changed, but what was in the dark got exposed to the light. If you think anything will change with the new CIA law, you are seriously mistaken, it's already been going on.
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But at the same time a secret kill list enacted into law,, allowing the CIA to kill anyone, anywhere in the world, including american citizens, if they are deemed a "terrorist" making this the most tyrannical presidency ever seen, making bush like soft, is essentially hushed up, but that's okay, this story here is the outrage! not a secret assassination list of anyone who is a "danger to national security".
lol
Maybe we should bring back the retard. If you dont think the CIA had the ability, and was willing to kill anyone it wanted to far before Obama got into office...I dont know what to tell you. lol
"Sigh"you are missing the point, first of all what difference does it make if he was retarded or not, he never ran shit, but secondly, by them solidifying this into law, they are brazenly announcing this power, yes, I am sure the CIA committed all sorts of murders prior to this, but they weren't given legal protection to do so. Yet despite announcing that the CIA have a right to kill anyone they wish to, and in turn announcing that americans have absolutely no rights, this is the big story.
Making into law what already is practiced is basically saying, hey, look at this, we are doing it, and it's law, then of course it puts a spotlight on it, then people get mad and then people protest. What happened before was, don't look over this way, nothing is going on, then people didn't look. You realize this really will change nothing, other than we know what going on now. Just like before, when Obama tried to close Gitmo, he reviled all the "Black Sights" that made Gitmo look like a Holiday Inn. Nothing changed, but what was in the dark got exposed to the light. If you think anything will change with the new CIA law, you are seriously mistaken, it's already been going on.
If this had happened during the presidency of Bush, we both know you and numerous others would foaming, baying for his blood for this. They have openly announced that they have the legal power to kill anyone, anywhere, who they deem is endangering national security.. You are calling this a good thing because it brings to light a shady practice, yet what you want to ignore is that this practice has now been enshrined into law. Dude I don't give a fuck he is black, I don't give a fuck that he is democrat, the very fact they have announced this, should chill you to the bone, the very fact that this isn't the number one story on every publication, should tell you all there is to know about how the media works Now the fact tha this has happened under Obama should tell you that the predicted deep dark tyrannical road America is going down was not exaggerated and not hyped. Now I know there is the argument that as soon as a dictator acts like a dictator, then he falls, but that is through the media to. Yet the average, ignorant, dumbfounded democrat, indeed republican supporter, is so caught up in the head lights of "stopping the terrorists" they have not even stopped to think of the ramifications of this.
Now I know it's always been going on, I know who the real terrorists are, but they are effectively saying we will do whatever the fuck we want and we will do it with total immunity from prosecution because we will make it our right to do so. Furthermore actually sealing this into law is part of conveying the message that not only will you be murdered if you step out of line but that your life will have been in vain because we can't even be arrested, even if we are caught. This is the kind of wicked dictatorship which would have been dismissed as fairy tale less than 20 years ago and yet here we are and it's not the main subject of the media but a fucking mosque is!
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If Americans get upset over an Islamic centre near a place where a few terrorist killed 2000 people can you imagine how Iraqi's feel where more terrorists killed a lot more people.
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But at the same time a secret kill list enacted into law,, allowing the CIA to kill anyone, anywhere in the world, including american citizens, if they are deemed a "terrorist" making this the most tyrannical presidency ever seen, making bush like soft, is essentially hushed up, but that's okay, this story here is the outrage! not a secret assassination list of anyone who is a "danger to national security".
lol
Maybe we should bring back the retard. If you dont think the CIA had the ability, and was willing to kill anyone it wanted to far before Obama got into office...I dont know what to tell you. lol
"Sigh"you are missing the point, first of all what difference does it make if he was retarded or not, he never ran shit, but secondly, by them solidifying this into law, they are brazenly announcing this power, yes, I am sure the CIA committed all sorts of murders prior to this, but they weren't given legal protection to do so. Yet despite announcing that the CIA have a right to kill anyone they wish to, and in turn announcing that americans have absolutely no rights, this is the big story.
Making into law what already is practiced is basically saying, hey, look at this, we are doing it, and it's law, then of course it puts a spotlight on it, then people get mad and then people protest. What happened before was, don't look over this way, nothing is going on, then people didn't look. You realize this really will change nothing, other than we know what going on now. Just like before, when Obama tried to close Gitmo, he reviled all the "Black Sights" that made Gitmo look like a Holiday Inn. Nothing changed, but what was in the dark got exposed to the light. If you think anything will change with the new CIA law, you are seriously mistaken, it's already been going on.
If this had happened during the presidency of Bush, we both know you and numerous others would foaming, baying for his blood for this. They have openly announced that they have the legal power to kill anyone, anywhere, who they deem is endangering national security.. You are calling this a good thing because it brings to light a shady practice, yet what you want to ignore is that this practice has now been enshrined into law. Dude I don't give a fuck he is black, I don't give a fuck that he is democrat, the very fact they have announced this, should chill you to the bone, the very fact that this isn't the number one story on every publication, should tell you all there is to know about how the media works Now the fact tha this has happened under Obama should tell you that the predicted deep dark tyrannical road America is going down was not exaggerated and not hyped. Now I know there is the argument that as soon as a dictator acts like a dictator, then he falls, but that is through the media to. Yet the average, ignorant, dumbfounded democrat, indeed republican supporter, is so caught up in the head lights of "stopping the terrorists" they have not even stopped to think of the ramifications of this.
Now I know it's always been going on, I know who the real terrorists are, but they are effectively saying we will do whatever the fuck we want and we will do it with total immunity from prosecution because we will make it our right to do so. Furthermore actually sealing this into law is part of conveying the message that not only will you be murdered if you step out of line but that your life will have been in vain because we can't even be arrested, even if we are caught. This is the kind of wicked dictatorship which would have been dismissed as fairy tale less than 20 years ago and yet here we are and it's not the main subject of the media but a fucking mosque is!
Im more concerned with the local police's ability to shoot and kill anyone at will and get away with it, then I am the CIA being able to kill anyone who is considered a threat to the nation. Im not sure if u walk around all day nervous that the CIA is gonna snipe you out lol. But the chances of that are fairly slim id say. As M-Dogg said its something that was already being practiced whether we knew about it...opposed it....or whatever. Id rather it be a law and out there in the open instead of it being done anyways, without any knowledge by the public of it.
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honestly i don't see what the big deal is. there's nothing wrong with this but Obama can't take a piss without somebody jumping down his throat so whatever.
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When your general public lacks common sense, non-issues like this become a big deal.
SMH.....
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But at the same time a secret kill list enacted into law,, allowing the CIA to kill anyone, anywhere in the world, including american citizens, if they are deemed a "terrorist" making this the most tyrannical presidency ever seen, making bush like soft, is essentially hushed up, but that's okay, this story here is the outrage! not a secret assassination list of anyone who is a "danger to national security".
lol
Maybe we should bring back the retard. If you dont think the CIA had the ability, and was willing to kill anyone it wanted to far before Obama got into office...I dont know what to tell you. lol
"Sigh"you are missing the point, first of all what difference does it make if he was retarded or not, he never ran shit, but secondly, by them solidifying this into law, they are brazenly announcing this power, yes, I am sure the CIA committed all sorts of murders prior to this, but they weren't given legal protection to do so. Yet despite announcing that the CIA have a right to kill anyone they wish to, and in turn announcing that americans have absolutely no rights, this is the big story.
Making into law what already is practiced is basically saying, hey, look at this, we are doing it, and it's law, then of course it puts a spotlight on it, then people get mad and then people protest. What happened before was, don't look over this way, nothing is going on, then people didn't look. You realize this really will change nothing, other than we know what going on now. Just like before, when Obama tried to close Gitmo, he reviled all the "Black Sights" that made Gitmo look like a Holiday Inn. Nothing changed, but what was in the dark got exposed to the light. If you think anything will change with the new CIA law, you are seriously mistaken, it's already been going on.
If this had happened during the presidency of Bush, we both know you and numerous others would foaming, baying for his blood for this. They have openly announced that they have the legal power to kill anyone, anywhere, who they deem is endangering national security.. You are calling this a good thing because it brings to light a shady practice, yet what you want to ignore is that this practice has now been enshrined into law. Dude I don't give a fuck he is black, I don't give a fuck that he is democrat, the very fact they have announced this, should chill you to the bone, the very fact that this isn't the number one story on every publication, should tell you all there is to know about how the media works Now the fact tha this has happened under Obama should tell you that the predicted deep dark tyrannical road America is going down was not exaggerated and not hyped. Now I know there is the argument that as soon as a dictator acts like a dictator, then he falls, but that is through the media to. Yet the average, ignorant, dumbfounded democrat, indeed republican supporter, is so caught up in the head lights of "stopping the terrorists" they have not even stopped to think of the ramifications of this.
Now I know it's always been going on, I know who the real terrorists are, but they are effectively saying we will do whatever the fuck we want and we will do it with total immunity from prosecution because we will make it our right to do so. Furthermore actually sealing this into law is part of conveying the message that not only will you be murdered if you step out of line but that your life will have been in vain because we can't even be arrested, even if we are caught. This is the kind of wicked dictatorship which would have been dismissed as fairy tale less than 20 years ago and yet here we are and it's not the main subject of the media but a fucking mosque is!
Im more concerned with the local police's ability to shoot and kill anyone at will and get away with it, then I am the CIA being able to kill anyone who is considered a threat to the nation. Im not sure if u walk around all day nervous that the CIA is gonna snipe you out lol. But the chances of that are fairly slim id say. As M-Dogg said its something that was already being practiced whether we knew about it...opposed it....or whatever. Id rather it be a law and out there in the open instead of it being done anyways, without any knowledge by the public of it.
I heard this rumor that that the C in CIA is not for Central but really for Crip. Just don't wear any red.
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Who cares
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http://www.truth-out.org/keith-olbermann-there-no-ground-zero-mosque62376
This should end all argument over this subject
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http://www.truth-out.org/keith-olbermann-there-no-ground-zero-mosque62376
This should end all argument over this subject
you'd think, but during a Democrat presidency, ratings for Fox are more than CNN and MSNBC combined.
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http://www.truth-out.org/keith-olbermann-there-no-ground-zero-mosque62376
This should end all argument over this subject
you'd think, but during a Democrat presidency, ratings for Fox are more than CNN and MSNBC combined.
here's the clip for anybody who wants to watch it in the thread:
http://www.youtube.com/v/QZpT2Muxoo0
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I don't know how I am meant to react to this, so instead I will just give a wry smile. You are being suckered into a story which is not there, MSNBC is playing it's role and Fox is playing it's role, suddenly it's again about democrat vs republicans, so the false illusion of him being undermined is at the forefront of politics, so MSNBC can rush to his aid and debunk the misinformation. Yet meanwhile it's now perfectly legal for the CIA to murder anyone it wants to, with complete carte blanche and no one gives a shit because the media aren't giving it the attention that bullshit stories like this receive. The media is acting as the puppet master and when it says be outraged, people are outraged, and of course when it gives minimal coverage to something, then it's obviously no big deal.
As for this notion that oh don't be so paranoid, that's like an entire forest being on fire and someone just looking at one tree and saying it's just one tree, no big deal. This is about sending a chilling warning to any potential whistle blowers and the chilling effect ensures that America, the supposed last bastion of freedom, slides further and further into the dark infancy of brutal oppression. For someone that supposedly and boastfully cites their masters degree in history, then you seem to know absolutely nothing about history if you can't see where this all is heading.
The perfect storm has been set for that velvet glove to come fully off and Obama is just the pacifier until that occurs.
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Just one thing, I think nobody gives a shit about the new CIA law because the CIA would murder anybody they'd want to before this law anyways was enacted.
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Just one thing, I think nobody gives a shit about the new CIA law because the CIA would murder anybody they'd want to before this law anyways was enacted.
True, the CIA law is like saying, it is now okay to go 5mph over the speed limit. You know why, because before, you got 5mph over the speed limit in front of a cop... you might get a warning. Before when the CIA killed someone, it might have had an investigation.
This law reminds me of my last job review. My boss gave me the job description and ask me point blank, do this look like what you do. I looked it over and said, I have never done X and Y, but I do Z, and Z is not on there. So my boss said, okay, I will take off X and Y, then Z will be added. Thank you. This law is that, Obama goes to the CIA and says, what is it you do, and they said, we kill a lot of people even you never heard of, but there is this law that makes it illegal. Obama then said, okay, it's now legal.
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Yes, they were murdering with impunity but they weren't being officially protected by law, how many more times must they openly shit on the constitution before you realise both the left and the right are just the illusion of choice?
Rhetorical question of course
Aint shit changed under Obama to restore, it's gotten much worse!
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Yes, they were murdering with impunity but they weren't being officially protected by law, how many more times must they openly shit on the constitution before you realise both the left and the right are just the illusion of choice?
Rhetorical question of course
Aint shit changed under Obama to restore, it's gotten much worse!
I could have told you both are not right and both fuck up things. But this whole Illuminati thing you believe, and this whole invisible hand shit you think is going on I just don't get. I don't believe it's real, I believe Obama is trying to be president on his own, I believe that he thinks his doing the best he can, I believe his not doing what he said he'd do, and I believe that he doesn't want to look weak on National Security so he signed into law what was already practice.
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"They came first...for the building permits" ;D
Haha Olberman is awesome.
LOL @ all the dumb untermenschen getting worked up over this "mosque at ground-zero".
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Yes, they were murdering with impunity but they weren't being officially protected by law, how many more times must they openly shit on the constitution before you realise both the left and the right are just the illusion of choice?
Rhetorical question of course
Aint shit changed under Obama to restore, it's gotten much worse!
I could have told you both are not right and both fuck up things. But this whole Illuminati thing you believe, and this whole invisible hand shit you think is going on I just don't get. I don't believe it's real, I believe Obama is trying to be president on his own, I believe that he thinks his doing the best he can, I believe his not doing what he said he'd do, and I believe that he doesn't want to look weak on National Security so he signed into law what was already practice.
It's as invisible as you choose to make it, I never said there was an invisible hand, it's very visible, banks and other corporations own the government and Obama is just a puppet. Whether you choose to think of him as an unwilling puppet is irrelevent, he is irrelevant, just a figure head.
Nothing hidden or complex about that
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It pisses me off that this is one of the major issues in America today. Up there with the economy and the oil spill crisis.
Really you stupid motherfuckers? ITS A FUCKING MOSQUE! WHO GIVES A SHIT IF THEY EVEN DECIDED TO BUILD IT ON TOP OF GROUND ZERO!
I'm not even Muslim, but this shit pisses me off and its a non-issue. It's shit like this that holds us back s a society.
If it doesn't hurt or affect you in any way, then why are you putting your nose in other people's business? Same goes with gay marriage and abortion. If it doesn't affect you in any way, why are you going through great lengths to intervene and cause a fucking problem YOU NO GOOD LOUSY COCKSUCKING SONS OF BITCHES!!!!!!!
Live and let live for Christ sake.
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It pisses me off that this is one of the major issues in America today. Up there with the economy and the oil spill crisis.
Really you stupid motherfuckers? ITS A FUCKING MOSQUE! WHO GIVES A SHIT IF THEY EVEN DECIDED TO BUILD IT ON TOP OF GROUND ZERO!
I'm not even Muslim, but this shit pisses me off and its a non-issue. It's shit like this that holds us back s a society.
If it doesn't hurt or affect you in any way, then why are you putting your nose in other people's business? Same goes with gay marriage and abortion. If it doesn't affect you in any way, why are you going through great lengths to intervene and cause a fucking problem YOU NO GOOD LOUSY COCKSUCKING SONS OF BITCHES!!!!!!!
Live and let live for Christ sake.
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damn right. personally I could give a fucc...they can put it anywhere. obama couldnt do shit but tell them niggas to do whatever the fucc they wanna do. as much i despise religion i still support freedom of religion.
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When your general public lacks common sense, non-issues like this become a big deal.
SMH.....
couldnt have put that any better