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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: Chamillitary Click on August 20, 2010, 10:02:43 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/v/Nh1ewLu2NEM
I'm hearing it's his new single. Pretty ill. 8)
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props my dude
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Sleeping on this?
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eh its blah
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Sleeping on this?
this, lupe has been the best out since food & liquor, niggas just wont acknowledge it
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If anything lupe has been falling off since food & liqour.
he's got a borderline wack flow now that's eerily remiscent of lil wayne
plus his lyrics have went from being dope to being decent. most tracks he's rhyming about his minds eye and some other psuedo hip intellectual bullshit that doesn't really mean much.
LASERS could actually be that bad the record label won't drop cause they know it's wack.
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Action quit slipping. His songs are great cuz they can mean many different things and make you think. You making me think you'd actually prefer some str8 to the point dumb shit. :'(
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I prefer different music according to my mood and as the situation calls but I honestly think Lupe is not as deep or intellectual as his internet soldiers make him out to be. I love Food & Liquor. I think it's a classic album. I was disappointed with The Cool but enjoyed it. It wasn't the classic follow up I wanted but it wasn't a sophomore slump. I can say the last song I enjoyed by Lupe was Shining Down. I don't like any of the other material I've heard from Lasers, with the exception of a snippet or two that leaked along time ago, nor do I like his free material he's recorded. His BMF freestyle wack. Just cause you're talking about something "important" doesn't make it dope or hot. Rick Ross's approach > Lupe's and that says a lot (for me) because I hate Rick Ross. I'm not feeling it. I think it's wack. I don't think you're deep just because you talk about your minds eyes and the cool. He uses it so much now it's almost like Game name dropping. Get off that shit and on to something else. I also don't like his new flow. It's like the fool got infected with a virus and hasn't been able to produce dope music.
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Considering he is using this as a single, I feel obligated to give him props lol.
Not your typical single material/topic & it'll show in sales; watch.
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So Action, you don't like this song?
Wtf.......
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Crack.....
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Basically, I hate to say this because I love F&L, I don't like the phase of Lupe Fiasco's artistic career. I'm definitely one of those cats that likes what I like and I don't like what I don't like. I give everything spins at least several times. I certainly don't commit to an artist and ride for them. It all started around the time he started up that side rock band. His mentality and his art changed. I don't like the general direction he's taken.
Shining Down was the last full track from Lupe Fiasco I enjoyed, which is off LASERS. I also really like this, which is supposedly off Lasers,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPtqO-kFxNs
and this one,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSiieQwtJVg&feature=related
It's definitely hard to judge an album based on snippets and two singles - Shining down (I dig) & I'm Beaming (I hate).
I feel like he's been influenced by B.o.B and Kid Cudi. He's like split between being the Lupe i enjoy and this weird version that's influenced by the new school that I find annoying.
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It's all a matter of preference, but just curious as to how people can choose to not hear about that real life shit? and would rather hear a former police officer rap about pushing crack for that matter. It's not like Lupe is claiming to be something that he isn't. He makes amazing music with uncomparable substance. To me it seems like people can't understand him on an intellectual level so they just ignore his shit.... but hey, what do i know
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That's exactly why I hate Lupe fans. They always resort to "you don't understand it intellectually." Basically, I think if you think Lupe is an intellectual than you're stupid. In fact if you turn to hip-hop in search of acquiring intelligence I think you're in the wrong place. Besides his recent music isn't deep. It's as obvious as Rick Ross's BMF.
I can say I like the idea behind Building Minds Faster but it was a shitty execution. It was boring and not enjoyable which makes the track wack.
I hate Rick Ross but at least his was in your face raunchy braggadocio. That energy was real. It's not like Rick Ross is pretending to be Big Meech, it's more homage and him relating to their lifestyle. I don't have a problem when Ross does that, I have a problem with his denial of his lifestyle and his attempt to be someone he wasn't for years.
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In fact if you turn to hip-hop in search of acquiring intelligence I think you're in the wrong place.
I just wish one of the admins would put this under the dubcc logo just to remind people.
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That's exactly why I hate Lupe fans. They always resort to "you don't understand it intellectually." Basically, I think if you think Lupe is an intellectual than you're stupid. In fact if you turn to hip-hop in search of acquiring intelligence I think you're in the wrong place. Besides his recent music isn't deep. It's as obvious as Rick Ross's BMF.
this....
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I've honestly enjoyed every lupe song till this one. Man I really hope he doesn't sell out
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yeah this pretty good.
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y'all really going to try and tell me you cant learn from hip hop? why? because its presented in a different manner? explain futher please..
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I'm not saying you can't learn from hip-hop but you should seriously question what you're attempting to learn. 90 percent of rappers aren't that educated. If you're looking for motivation, encouraging words, energy, etc. then I would say you could pick up some thing from hip-hop but intellect? Nah. Go read a book. Study history. Study math. Study sciences cause hip-hop is not where it's at.
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I'm not saying you can't learn from hip-hop but you should seriously question what you're attempting to learn. 90 percent of rappers aren't that educated. If you're looking for motivation, encouraging words, energy, etc. then I would say you could pick up some thing from hip-hop but intellect? Nah. Go read a book. Study history. Study math. Study sciences cause hip-hop is not where it's at.
Most ignorant post in awhile.
The fact that you question Lupe as one of the more intellectual MC's in the game right now is alarming...
B.o.B. is another intellectual artist.. Nas.. Talib Kweli.. The Roots... etc.
Are you saying you don't enjoy these artists? You would rather listen to some half-inspired Gangsta or South shit?
It's not hard to understand these artists, but it's quite easy to notice they spit something intelligent, a far cry from anything in the usual mainstream.
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I'm not saying you can't learn from hip-hop but you should seriously question what you're attempting to learn. 90 percent of rappers aren't that educated. If you're looking for motivation, encouraging words, energy, etc. then I would say you could pick up some thing from hip-hop but intellect? Nah. Go read a book. Study history. Study math. Study sciences cause hip-hop is not where it's at.
let me teach you something real quick, we are all looking to learn different things in life, me? I like the storytelling, the life lessons, the point of views, the culture and the melodic music attached with hip hop. I'm not looking to learn math, I want to hear whats going on in this world today, so we can understand and change what is going on. It makes me proud when I hear Lupe, Nas, Talib etc dropping knowledge on the shit a lot of us have been through. More people could learn from these guys rather than ignore it. Where is the progression when we are still on this fuck bitches, sell crack, get money mentality from new artists? for me that goes further then studying math, feel me?
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His flow sucks now
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It's all a matter of preference, but just curious as to how people can choose to not hear about that real life shit? and would rather hear a former police officer rap about pushing crack for that matter. It's not like Lupe is claiming to be something that he isn't. He makes amazing music with uncomparable substance. To me it seems like people can't understand him on an intellectual level so they just ignore his shit.... but hey, what do i know
couldnt have put it better myself ;)
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Is Lupe more intellectual than say Lil B? Sure but they're in different lanes.
My point is which has gone over most of your heads is that only an idiot turns to hip-hop to educate themselves. They're entertainers and the most they can educate a person on is street life. Very very very few of them have spent time and read hundreds of articles or books on topics they spit about. They draw wide brushstroke on history while not revealing anything unique. You're a fucking idiot if you turn to rap music to educate yourself.
I'm not denying some artist are intelligent and have dope lyrics, clever word play, and spit information but most don't. It's also a limited art form due to the length of a song. So, no, you're not going to acquire much knowledge from 3 minutes compared to a 250 page book on a topic.
My point stands you're looking in the wrong place if you're looking to educate yourself.
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Books don't educate you nigga, experience does
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Is Lupe more intellectual than say Lil B? Sure but they're in different lanes.
My point is which has gone over most of your heads is that only an idiot turns to hip-hop to educate themselves. They're entertainers and the most they can educate a person on is street life. Very very very few of them have spent time and read hundreds of articles or books on topics they spit about. They draw wide brushstroke on history while not revealing anything unique. You're a fucking idiot if you turn to rap music to educate yourself.
I'm not denying some artist are intelligent and have dope lyrics, clever word play, and spit information but most don't. It's also a limited art form due to the length of a song. So, no, you're not going to acquire much knowledge from 3 minutes compared to a 250 page book on a topic.
My point stands you're looking in the wrong place if you're looking to educate yourself.
Wow. You gonna tell me if you listen to Lil B for a year you are gonna be just as aware and open to intellectual shit than if you listened to Lupe?
Hell no.
Lupe might not change the word, but he can spark the brain that will. -2Pac
Lil B won't do that.
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You're entire argument about Lil B is subjective. Who are you to say Lil B won't spark the brain that will change the world? His interviews > Lupe's interviews.
But, I wasn't even saying Lil B one was more intellectual than the other. Just that they're in different lanes and comparing the two is rather stupid because you go to them for different reasons.
Either way, my point still stands. You're fucking tard if you go to music to acquire intelligence. Experience makes one intelligent? No shit! Tell me something more obvious. What experience? You know reading books is experience, right? If I keep shooting people I have experience shooting people. Does that make me intelligent? No. Listening to hip-hop does not make one intelligent. It also doesn't mean one can't acquire intelligence from hip-hop but more than 90 percent of the time if you're turning to hip-hop for intelligence you're fucking stupid.
Go read a book.
I can't believe you idiots are even arguing this. You will learn more if you read a fucking book about a subject than listening to a 3 minute hip-hop song.
If you want to learn about what's current read a fucking newspaper, read articles in particular magazines, read news sites, etc. Hip-Hop artists have very limited perspective, often which are uneducated and rather stupid.
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Well I gave it about 30 seconds but after that I got too irritated. I won't even get to the subject of his content, mostly because I was put off by his flow...shit was just corny.
The beat seemed to have potential tho.
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You're entire argument about Lil B is subjective. Who are you to say Lil B won't spark the brain that will change the world? His interviews > Lupe's interviews.
But, I wasn't even saying Lil B one was more intellectual than the other. Just that they're in different lanes and comparing the two is rather stupid because you go to them for different reasons.
Either way, my point still stands. You're fucking tard if you go to music to acquire intelligence. Experience makes one intelligent? No shit! Tell me something more obvious. What experience? You know reading books is experience, right? If I keep shooting people I have experience shooting people. Does that make me intelligent? No. Listening to hip-hop does not make one intelligent. It also doesn't mean one can't acquire intelligence from hip-hop but more than 90 percent of the time if you're turning to hip-hop for intelligence you're fucking stupid.
Go read a book.
I can't believe you idiots are even arguing this. You will learn more if you read a fucking book about a subject than listening to a 3 minute hip-hop song.
If you want to learn about what's current read a fucking newspaper, read articles in particular magazines, read news sites, etc. Hip-Hop artists have very limited perspective, often which are uneducated and rather stupid.
LOL. I find it hard to believe you are an intelligent person that listens to inferior Hip-Hop for the lawls. When you operating on a higher level, more than 50 percent of that time you are gonna enjoy or entertain a form of music that shares your mindframe and intelligence.
If I'ma listen to Hip-Hop at all, it's gonna be something intelligent (Dipset gets a pass).
I don't give a shit about Lil B's interviews. I want music that will drive me and keep me sharp in life. Lil B's music (while the intent is there) doesn't do that. Lupe's does.
I think we've gone far enough into this discussion where I can ask you for your top 5 rappers now. (Please)
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Oh yeah and about the books:
What does that have to do with it? I could read more books than anyone in the world, and I'ma still wanna listen to something intelligent/aware/educational more than 50 percent of the time I'm listening to music. That is an irrelevant point.
No one said Hip-Hop should be your only source of education....
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You seriously want a top 5 list?
I hate top 5 lists because there's several categories one can rank them by. Instead I'll give you a list of MCs who get the most spins,
Nas
Reks
50 Cent
Joe Budden
Jay-Z
Common
Black Milk
J Dilla
Immortal Technique
Elzhi
Bishop Lamont
Stat Quo
Bobby Creekwater
Lloyd Banks
Lupe Fiasco
Yes, I spin quite a bit of Lupe Fiasco but I don't like his new shit. I think his new material is wack. I don't like the artistic direction he's taking and I don't care if he's spitting intellectually. If I think it's wack, it's wack. Personally he hasn't topped several tracks off Food and Liquor. And, I don't think Lupe is as intellectual as his fans make him out to be. My point still stands if you're turning to hip-hop to acquire intelligence you're in the wrong place. I mainly listen to music to feel good (party, drink) ; to escape (background noise so I can zone out); or to find the energy of motivation (stepping up my hustle, working out, etc). I do think you're making a mistake if you turn to hip-hop to acquire intelligence.
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Lupe Fiasco has grown up into a fiasco..haha.. get it.. fuck u
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You seriously want a top 5 list?
I hate top 5 lists because there's several categories one can rank them by. Instead I'll give you a list of MCs who get the most spins,
Nas
Reks
50 Cent
Joe Budden
Jay-Z
Common
Black Milk
J Dilla
Immortal Technique
Elzhi
Bishop Lamont
Stat Quo
Bobby Creekwater
Lloyd Banks
Lupe Fiasco
Yes, I spin quite a bit of Lupe Fiasco but I don't like his new shit. I think his new material is wack. I don't like the artistic direction he's taking and I don't care if he's spitting intellectually. If I think it's wack, it's wack. Personally he hasn't topped several tracks off Food and Liquor. And, I don't think Lupe is as intellectual as his fans make him out to be. My point still stands if you're turning to hip-hop to acquire intelligence you're in the wrong place. I mainly listen to music to feel good (party, drink) ; to escape (background noise so I can zone out); or to find the energy of motivation (stepping up my hustle, working out, etc). I do think you're making a mistake if you turn to hip-hop to acquire intelligence.
So you ain't never listen to an artist and be like "YO this dude is onto some shit, he right" after spitting some enlightening lines on w/e subject? And because of that you listened to him more cuz u wanna know what else he has to say? That's what I mean. Not literally "I'm not gonna goto school I'ma just listen to Lupe songs".
Respectable list btw.
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Yeah, only with Immortal Technique even though I don't agree with him I actually think he's intelligent.