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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: Stashh on October 01, 2010, 02:25:38 PM
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What are your thoughts on this?
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Wasn't he just going to make makaveli records under death row?
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It's true that Tupac was going to leave Death Row Records but Suge wouldn't kill him for crying out loud-after all, former Death Row founder, "Dr. Dre," is still breathing without any war scars. It is also rumored that Tupac had Dre pushed off the label but that is probably just another Tupac strategy against his enemies.
It all started about three months before the shooting in a Southern California mall, just near Long Beach. Three members of The Mob Piru Bloods (Most of Death Row Records is allegedly maintained and ran by the Mob Piru Bloods aka M.O.B., including the infamous and shaddy CEO Suge Knight.), went into a Foot Locker to purchase some shoes. One of the blood gangmember's allegedly worked for Death Row Records and was wearing the infamous diamond cut medallion (worn by Death Row staff and artists).
Just after leaving Foot Locker, they headed back to thier 1996 Lexus, about 8-10 rival Southside Crips rushed the three blood gangmember's and one of the crips manage to get the Death Row medallion. The person who stole it was allegedly Orlando "Baby Lando" Anderson. Now this is the blossoming of Tupac's early demise.
Three months later we enter The MGM Grand and Tupac is with his Death Row entourage among many is the same Mob Piru Blood that was jumped by the Southside Crips in Lakewood, California. He [the blood] spot's Orlando Anderson and Tupac heads over to start what appears to be a royal ass beating on one Anderson. (See rare footage from the MGM Grand security video.)
After Tupac's entourage beats Anderson repeatedly, they make their way out before the police show. Anderson get's up and talks to the police, then leaves and allegedly joins his entourage of Southside Crips as they look for Tupac. It wouldn't be hard to find Mr. Shakur on that night because he was going to Suge Knight's Club 662 (Which spells out M.O.B. on a telephone pad). The rest is only self-explanatory.
A couple weeks after Tupac's murder, Metro Police arrested Orlando Anderson. Anderson's family released a statement denying he is connected to Shakur's killing in Las Vegas:
"Tupac Shakur, the talented musical genius, fell at the hands of a violent cruel drive-by shooter or shooters in Las Vegas. That's a fact. That person, however, is not Orlando," the statement said.
Metro Lt. Larry Spinosa said Anderson was arrested on a 1994 murder warrant out of California. Well that sorta kicks Anderson's innocent's in the ass.
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Wasn't he just going to make makaveli records under death row?
Yes, end thread. I'm not even gonna read the gigantic long ass post above me, because it's fucking irrelevant when the fucking first words is
It's true that Tupac was going to leave Death Row Records
When it's infact not fucking true, was a Media bred theory and when tupac himself clearly said literally days before his death in multiple interviews. He's gonna be working with Death Row, Death Row East and have Makaveli Records be a Subsidiary of Death Row Records.
Seriously how the fuck can people keep believing this fucking Theory when it's been proven every motherfucking part of this theory is nothing but shit taken OUT OF FUCKING CONTENT FOR FUCKS SAKES PEOPLE USE UR GOD DAMN BRAIN!!!! Every thing pushing this theory is LITERALLY BEEN CHOPPED AND SCREWED FFS.
Look at any interview talking about the subject, they don't use facts, any facts they do use is literally Twisted. His official Documentary said "In his own words" is bullshit the moment they started cutting and pasting his sentences to form new words and meanings.
And no these isn't making me some Suge Knight dick rider, Fuck that nigga also. He never paid his artist, he fucked up his business and horse fucked Death Row into oblivion.
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Makaveli Records was going to be distributed by Death Row, so no. 2Pac was loyal to Suge, end of Story. Anyone who doubts it can listen to As The World Turns (Original Version).
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someone watched the Tupac - Assasination dvd? there is a word that pac was pissed about deathrow because he didnīt get any money from deathrow, he wanted to get his masters and they didnīt let him to do it and 3-4 days before his death, he was with deathrow in ny and snoop betrayed him about the biggie thing, so he was pissed and said; i donīt wanna fuck with those sell out niggas.
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someone watched the Tupac - Assasination dvd? there is a word that pac was pissed about deathrow because he didnīt get any money from deathrow, he wanted to get his masters and they didnīt let him to do it and 3-4 days before his death, he was with deathrow in ny and snoop betrayed him about the biggie thing, so he was pissed and said; i donīt wanna fuck with those sell out niggas.
I watched it and that DVD is full of shit.
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Makaveli was his own label.
Pac NEVER wanted to be on Death Row, he did it to get out of jail and he showed tons of loyalty while signed. But his 3 album deal was completed in just a year. He was ready to be a CEO and move on to being an actor.
Plus, Death Row was robbing the shit out of him! Read...
Tupac agreed and Deathrow lawyer David Kenner went about bailing Tupac out of jail. The New York Court of Appeals granted him leave to post bail. $850,000 was raised by Atlantic Records, which was posted in a corporate guarantee. The rest was put up with a $300,000 bail bond and $250,000 in cash from Suge or Interscope. Tupac immediately began and released the album All Eyez on Me, a double CD which covered the first 2 cd's of the contract. While on Deathrow Tupac really seemed to change, influenced by Suge in the mob lifestyle and obviously bitter for the setup in the rape case and being shot 5 times. While on Deathrow he was jacked by Suge Knight repeatedly. He was charged rent on a Wilshire apartment that other Deathrow artists lived in on 9 seperate occasions. He was charged $23,857 for repairs to a porche owned by Steve Cantrock and Suge. Suge and another Death Row representative, who were in California at the time, on the phone told him that he had spent $2 million more than he was entitled to receive. He was charged $115,507 for three pieces of jewelry from B.L. Diamonds, Suge said that the jewelry was a gift to Tupac from Suge, but the bills were never paid. On May 2nd, Tupac was charged $14,500 rent for a house in Malibu which David Kenner lived in. He was then charged $100,000 rent for David Kenner, then $12,000 more. He paid $2700 for Nate Dogg's child support and charged $5,845 for jewelry that Suge bought from XIV Karats Ltd. Sept 3rd he was charged with expenses associated with Michel'le Toussa's Range Rover for $1,453.51. He was also charged over $28,000 for a Chevy Suburban Title. It was taken in Tupac's name initially, but was given to Suge's brother-in-law, Norris Anderson. Tupac was charged $51,425 in connection with the cost of transferring the car to Norris. In August Tupac was charged $2,965, for an American Express bill from Suge's wife. Tupac was charged with expenses that he never agreed to pay which were attendant to the production of albums released by Death Row. He was charged $3,421,842 in video production costs and $663,012 in audio production costs. When Tupac died he had no mutual funds, IRA, or real estate. He owned no stocks or bonds, and had a checking account that had less than $105,000. He also didn't own his Woodland Hills house in San Fernando Valley that he had recently thought he had bought. There was a five-figure life insurance policy, the beneficiary was Sekyiwa, a $61,000 Jaguar that Suge got for Tupac's appearance in a commercial, and a Hummer. His apartment, Rolls-Royce, and Mercedes were listed in Death Row's name.
There's no question Deathrow was run corruptly, and they owed Tupac a lot of money, which is reason enough to kill Tupac. With Tupac's last CD, Makaveli The 7 Day theory, Tupac was poised to leave the row as he'd filled his contract agreement. He was ready to setup Makaveli Records and Euphanasia, a production company from which he wanted to make movies. He was going to be the first artist on the label, One Nation was the second and he had plans to sign Greg Nice and Smooth, another group at quest and Ghetto Starz which is an offshoot of The Outlaws. He also had another company called 24/7, for his music and video work, the scripts he was writing, and the books he would begin as soon as he finished the plans he was doing with Leila to reform the educational system. On August 26th, 12 days before Tupac was shot, he was on the set all day and at the studio all night. On the 27th, Tupac sent Yaasmyn Fula, who managed his business affairs, to the studio to get tapes of what he had done because he wanted to listen to them. Deathrow said no, David Kenner wouldn't allow it. Tupac fired him. Yaasmyn wrote a letter saying that Tupac had finished his last album and he wanted to leave Death Row. Tupac gave Yaasmyn permission to hire another lawyer. On september 7th, Tupac went back to L.A. He decided he wasn't going to go to Las Vegas, but to Atlanta to settle problems with some relatives instead. Suge got him to change his plans because weeks before he'd promised Suge he'd go to the Tyson/Seldon fight with him. He said he didn't want to go, but he'd given Suge his word. At the MGM Grand Tupac was mad because Suge showed up at the last minute. He sat in section 4, row E, seat 2.
What reason would Suge have to kill Tupac ? Well Tupac had over 200 master tapes, tapes which would leave Deathrow if Tupac left, if dead they would own rights to the tapes and they wouldn't have to pay the enormous amount of money they owed him. Perhaps Tupac had knowledge of the Row that Suge didn't want him to have if he left.
Looking back, staying in jail another 3 years would've saved his life. That would maybe mean no "All Eyez On Me" but hey, he could very well still be breathing.
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That article is wrong. Ghetto Starz was technically inked to Death Row Records.
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Makaveli was his own label.
Pac NEVER wanted to be on Death Row, he did it to get out of jail and he showed tons of loyalty while signed. But his 3 album deal was completed in just a year. He was ready to be a CEO and move on to being an actor.
Plus, Death Row was robbing the shit out of him! Read...
Tupac agreed and Deathrow lawyer David Kenner went about bailing Tupac out of jail. The New York Court of Appeals granted him leave to post bail. $850,000 was raised by Atlantic Records, which was posted in a corporate guarantee. The rest was put up with a $300,000 bail bond and $250,000 in cash from Suge or Interscope. Tupac immediately began and released the album All Eyez on Me, a double CD which covered the first 2 cd's of the contract. While on Deathrow Tupac really seemed to change, influenced by Suge in the mob lifestyle and obviously bitter for the setup in the rape case and being shot 5 times. While on Deathrow he was jacked by Suge Knight repeatedly. He was charged rent on a Wilshire apartment that other Deathrow artists lived in on 9 seperate occasions. He was charged $23,857 for repairs to a porche owned by Steve Cantrock and Suge. Suge and another Death Row representative, who were in California at the time, on the phone told him that he had spent $2 million more than he was entitled to receive. He was charged $115,507 for three pieces of jewelry from B.L. Diamonds, Suge said that the jewelry was a gift to Tupac from Suge, but the bills were never paid. On May 2nd, Tupac was charged $14,500 rent for a house in Malibu which David Kenner lived in. He was then charged $100,000 rent for David Kenner, then $12,000 more. He paid $2700 for Nate Dogg's child support and charged $5,845 for jewelry that Suge bought from XIV Karats Ltd. Sept 3rd he was charged with expenses associated with Michel'le Toussa's Range Rover for $1,453.51. He was also charged over $28,000 for a Chevy Suburban Title. It was taken in Tupac's name initially, but was given to Suge's brother-in-law, Norris Anderson. Tupac was charged $51,425 in connection with the cost of transferring the car to Norris. In August Tupac was charged $2,965, for an American Express bill from Suge's wife. Tupac was charged with expenses that he never agreed to pay which were attendant to the production of albums released by Death Row. He was charged $3,421,842 in video production costs and $663,012 in audio production costs. When Tupac died he had no mutual funds, IRA, or real estate. He owned no stocks or bonds, and had a checking account that had less than $105,000. He also didn't own his Woodland Hills house in San Fernando Valley that he had recently thought he had bought. There was a five-figure life insurance policy, the beneficiary was Sekyiwa, a $61,000 Jaguar that Suge got for Tupac's appearance in a commercial, and a Hummer. His apartment, Rolls-Royce, and Mercedes were listed in Death Row's name.
There's no question Deathrow was run corruptly, and they owed Tupac a lot of money, which is reason enough to kill Tupac. With Tupac's last CD, Makaveli The 7 Day theory, Tupac was poised to leave the row as he'd filled his contract agreement. He was ready to setup Makaveli Records and Euphanasia, a production company from which he wanted to make movies. He was going to be the first artist on the label, One Nation was the second and he had plans to sign Greg Nice and Smooth, another group at quest and Ghetto Starz which is an offshoot of The Outlaws. He also had another company called 24/7, for his music and video work, the scripts he was writing, and the books he would begin as soon as he finished the plans he was doing with Leila to reform the educational system. On August 26th, 12 days before Tupac was shot, he was on the set all day and at the studio all night. On the 27th, Tupac sent Yaasmyn Fula, who managed his business affairs, to the studio to get tapes of what he had done because he wanted to listen to them. Deathrow said no, David Kenner wouldn't allow it. Tupac fired him. Yaasmyn wrote a letter saying that Tupac had finished his last album and he wanted to leave Death Row. Tupac gave Yaasmyn permission to hire another lawyer. On september 7th, Tupac went back to L.A. He decided he wasn't going to go to Las Vegas, but to Atlanta to settle problems with some relatives instead. Suge got him to change his plans because weeks before he'd promised Suge he'd go to the Tyson/Seldon fight with him. He said he didn't want to go, but he'd given Suge his word. At the MGM Grand Tupac was mad because Suge showed up at the last minute. He sat in section 4, row E, seat 2.
What reason would Suge have to kill Tupac ? Well Tupac had over 200 master tapes, tapes which would leave Deathrow if Tupac left, if dead they would own rights to the tapes and they wouldn't have to pay the enormous amount of money they owed him. Perhaps Tupac had knowledge of the Row that Suge didn't want him to have if he left.
Looking back, staying in jail another 3 years would've saved his life. That would maybe mean no "All Eyez On Me" but hey, he could very well still be breathing.
Plus, that's from the court documents that Amaru wrote up against Death Row. Lol. 2Pac did it out of loyalty.
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While I DO NOT think Pac was going to leave Death Row, I also believe he was going to try to patch things up and try to reinvent his image. During the last few weeks of his life, in interviews, you can tell that the bicoastal beef had really taken its toll on Pac, and he just wanted to move on, even though Suge probably relished the beef, because it was good for his own image and brand. But with the Death Row East thing and Pac's recent acting ventures and his desire to play non-thug parts and so forth, I think this is an indication of the more mature direction Pac wanted to turn toward. I think Pac would have created his own label on Death Row and might have had disagreements with Suge about the direction of his label and so forth. Maybe he would have eventually cut his ties from Suge due to creative differences sometime down the road, but I don't think he had plans to leave Death Row at the time of his death. So, to answer the thread title, no.
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That article is wrong. Ghetto Starz was technically inked to Death Row Records.
who was supposed to be in ghetto starz?
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pac n suge both knew wat was goin down with that deal, suge wanted pac on tha row so he could be really untouchable, pac did it to get outta jail...why u think pac recorded so many tracks so fast cause the nigga wanted to be off tha row fast, suge didnt want that so the rest its still technically a mystery depending on who u believe....
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One thing that's strange to me is why the deathrow member whoms chain was jacked outside the Foot Locker, told Pac that this guy in the MGM was the one who did that when you're with MOB Piru members with a greater physic who could really go down on that dude.
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Makaveli Records was going to be distributed by Death Row, so no. 2Pac was loyal to Suge, end of Story. Anyone who doubts it can listen to As The World Turns (Original Version).
it's a damn shame we never got to hear Pac work with Gangstarr or any of the other people he was going to sign
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One thing that's strange to me is why the deathrow member whoms chain was jacked outside the Foot Locker, told Pac that this guy in the MGM was the one who did that when you're with MOB Piru members with a greater physic who could really go down on that dude.
I don't think he was there. Suge recognized him.
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Anyone who doubts it can listen to As The World Turns (Original Version).
what he say in it?
who was goin 2 be in "ghetto starz"?
what does "pac wanted to take all his masters and go" but they didnt let him?i thought suge and pac were homies so pac could talk with suge and he could do whatever he want.. or did some1 have greater power at tha row than suge himself?
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Anyone who doubts it can listen to As The World Turns (Original Version).
what he say in it?
who was goin 2 be in "ghetto starz"?
what does "pac wanted to take all his masters and go" but they didnt let him?i thought suge and pac were homies so pac could talk with suge and he could do whatever he want.. or did some1 have greater power at tha row than suge himself?
Listen to it, he basically says Death Row birthed Makaveli Records. 2Pac was loyal to Suge Knight, and not sure who all it was. 2Pac could do whatever he wanted, and his masters were his to take and he could've easily got them. No where in 2Pac's contract did it state Suge had the right to keep them, so 2Pac could've easily just sued for them if there was really an issue like Nate Dogg did. Death Row was major before 2Pac, and 2Pac didn't make Death Row but his death pretty much ended it.
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The only person who can shed any truth on this is dead, the rumour/story has been doing the run of the net for years and not 1 person can claim to know 100% than Pac.
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i've heard that he wanted to sign with aftermath
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I suppose no one will ever know for sure. All I know is that he was about to establish Death Row East before his passing and I'm sure everyone has seen that interview in NY a few days before his death, and he seemed pretty loyal and keen to get it on and cracking.
But on the other hand he did fulfill his 3 album contractual obligations with the company and wasn't there a rumour that he wasn't paid any of his royalites as well? Plus it appeared he was getting deeper into acting rather than music so he most likely would have left DR to do other ventures pre-2000 anyway.
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Pac couldn't have left with those masters as they were recorded with Death Row money by him as a Death Row artist.
The maximum that could have happened if he left DR (ala Dre) was that they couldn't use his vocals but the beats/concepts would be fair game for cannibalism by other convicts.
Rather than wild speculation take it straight from the Goat's mouth
I see myself having a job on Death Row...being the A&R person and an artist that drop an album like Paul McCartney every five years. Not that I'm like Paul McCartney but there's no rapper who ever did it so that's why I use him as an example... But I wanna do it at leisure. My music will mean something and I'll drop deeper shit. I'll have my own production company which I'm close to right now...I'm doing my own movies. I have my own restaurant...which I got right now with Allanis or Suge or Snoop. I just wanna expand. I'm starting to put out some calendars for charity. I'm gonna start a little youth league in California so we can start playing some east coast teams..some southern teams ...I wanna have like a Pop Warner League except the rappers fund it and they're the head coaches. Have a league where you can get a big trophy with diamonds in it for a nigguh to stay drug free and stay in school. That's the only way you can be on the team. We'll have fun and eat pizza and have the finest girls there and throw concerts at the end of the year. That's what I mean by giving back.