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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: The-Leak (aka) kingwell (bka) JULES on November 06, 2010, 10:08:03 PM
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Fight is on Saturday. I'ma root for the underdog, picking Margarito.
Becuz:
Freddie Roach has admitted to Telegraph Sport that Manny Pacquiao is distracted by politics. There’s no getting away from it. But would a series of fights, say four more, actually enhance the Filipino fighter’s long-term political career ? His popularity could further increase, especially if he were to face Floyd Mayweather, and moreover, it would put more financial clout behind his ambitions.
Pacquiao may disappear into politics after his contest in six days’ time with Antonio Margarito, but he won’t get those fighting years back….he has much, much longer durability in the political sphere. Previous to Pacquiao’s last four fights, my first question to Roach, normally on the counter of the diminutive office serving the entrance to the Wild Card Boxing Club, or on the steps, is: “Any change in Manny ?”
This time there clearly is a difference. Roach bears a heavy burden. There is the sense that a son is soon to leave home for good. Roach is proud of Pacquiao, but will lament the loss deeply. So will boxing. “I’m aways waiting for different Pacquiao to walk into the gym each time we start training camp, and yes, this time, there was a change in him., He said he misse his job. I told him, ‘This is your job’, but he said not this job, the one he has in Congress. You can’t change that.”
Roach admitted that it concerned him. “It worried me a little bit. I told him a couple of days later that he could be the President any time, but right now, we ar in training for a fight. There were way too many distractions in The Philippines. We are in good shape. His conditioning is fine, his running is good, there is no foot problem.”
The key, Roach continues to stress, as the Pacquiao camp moves to Dallas in 30 hours, is focus. “Even Mark Wahlberg wanted to come to the gym these last two weeks, and I had to say ‘no’.” Manny is very proud of himself, I am very proud of him. His country is proud of him. He talks the talk and he is prepared to walk the walk. I think he wants to better his country in such a bad way [Roach actually means in a good way !], we will lose him to politics some day soon, maybe after this fight if I’m honest. His focus has not been that great. If I can’t get him back on track, and he really loves this job, there is little I can do. But I do respect him for that…”
Pacquiao attempts his incredible run on an eighth title next week, but as he admits on CBS, having won the election to the Congress of the Philippines last May – a distraction his trainer believes could be hurting his chances in the upcoming bout. CBS’s profile of Pacquiao will be broadcast on “60 Minutes” on Sunday, November 7.
In the docu, Pacquiao lets interviewer Bob Simon know that serving his fellow Filipinos is where his priorities now lie . “I already achieved my goals in boxing, my dreams in boxing,” says the 31-yr.old fighter. “What I want to achieve more is in public service…I want to be a champion there.”
No wonder then that Roach has concerns that Pacquiao is not focused enough on beating Antonio Margarito, a taller, heavier fighter he meets at the Cowboys Stadium in Dallas in front of 70,000 people. “I’m worried about it. Yes, I’m walking around at two in the morning,” he says. “Something is not right and we are not preparing the way we should for this fight.” Pacquiao has only lost three bouts in his professional career, which began when he was 16 fighting in the 105-lb. division. Roach knows that Pacquiao could lose this fight if he is not at the top of his game.
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I want Pacquiao to win for pragmatic reasons. If he loses, a possible Mayweather vs. Pacman fight would become about 500% less interesting.
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Yeah I am leaning towards picking Margarito. I think Manny is overlooking him.
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Yeah I am leaning towards picking Margarito. I think Manny is overlooking him.
24/7 does a good job making the fight more interesting by selling that point. I have a feeling Manny is more prepared than the show leads us to believe.
I got Manny on this, bit wouldn't mind if Margarito packed his gloves again and made the fight game more interesting with a KO.
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I want Pacquiao to win for pragmatic reasons. If he loses, a possible Mayweather vs. Pacman fight would become about 500% less interesting.
lol, agreed. Then again, if Pacquaio loses, at least it won't hurt as much to know that a Mayweather vs Pacman fight might not actually ever happen to begin with.
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I want Pacquiao to win for pragmatic reasons. If he loses, a possible Mayweather vs. Pacman fight would become about 500% less interesting.
lol, agreed. Then again, if Pacquaio loses, at least it won't hurt as much to know that a Mayweather vs Pacman fight might not actually ever happen to begin with.
lol exactly. I don't know whether I want Pacman to win so we could end up getting him and Mayweather, or just for Margarito to win so the whole Manny vs Floyd thing can be put to rest.
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I think money may is gonna fight pacman regardless of weather he wins or loses cus i think the only real reason floyd didnt fight him is cus of his trainer and uncle rogers legal problems. mayweather never has a distraction when he goes into a fight and wont want rogers distractions holding him down either... pacman can out box margarito but knocking him out is unlikely due to size advantage margarito carries... this fight should go the distance with pacman with the victory
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Yeah I am leaning towards picking Margarito. I think Manny is overlooking him.
24/7 does a good job making the fight more interesting by selling that point. I have a feeling Manny is more prepared than the show leads us to believe.
I got Manny on this, bit wouldn't mind if Margarito packed his gloves again and made the fight game more interesting with a KO.
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I think money may is gonna fight pacman regardless of weather he wins or loses cus i think the only real reason floyd didnt fight him is cus of his trainer and uncle rogers legal problems. mayweather never has a distraction when he goes into a fight and wont want rogers distractions holding him down either... pacman can out box margarito but knocking him out is unlikely due to size advantage margarito carries... this fight should go the distance with pacman with the victory
But I become disinterested in that fight if current Paccquaio takes an L. The whole hype that bout is that Pacman has been undefeated since he stepped his game up years ago. If he takes an L to another boxer, I almost feel comfortable with Mayweather retiring and calling him the best boxer of his generation.
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Even if Pacman wins, the fight with Floyd won't happen.. I'll go with Manny tho.
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Any good feeds?
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http://atdhe.net/
I only found one but it's kinda shitty the audio is delayed. More links might be added as the fight gets closer. It may require some software to be installed called veetle or some shit it's safe I scanned it with Norton and the video works. I also use this site to watch NFL games. If anyone has a better one post it up!
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http://sportzonepr.net/ch1.html
my current stream. pretty good so far, but you never know when things start to go south with those streams
margarito got beaten the shit out of him. he was lucky that manny is a classy guy or else he could have been fucked up beyond belief.
fuck this, haven't seen a close major boxing fight in years
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Margarito got the shit beat out of him. I didn't expect Pacquiao to knock him down like Mosley did (especially since Mosley swings from higher angles to the head), though I was hoping he'd land a solid uppercut like he did to Hatton and Cotto when they kissed the mat. But this fight was far more brutal than the Margarito-Mosley fight. I think it was a good decision for Manny to refrain from messing up Margarito's face further in the last round or two, but I was hoping that he would knock him down at least once. But a win is a win.
I still want Pacquiao to fight Mayweather, but it's at the point where Pacquiao's legacy doesn't need it, plus Mayweather will start giving his bullshit excuses again to try to discredit Pacquiao while arguing that he is the best. But hopefully we'll get this fight before summer 2011.
If the Pacquiao-Mayweather fight doesn't work out, I know that Bob Arum was hinting that Mosley could have dibbs on Pacquiao, which is definitely possible seeing how Mosley is a promotional free agent and can fight whoever, wherever, despite owning a portion of Golden Boy (who currently has some problems with Top Rank). However, it just doesn't really seem like a very interesting fight since Mosley's last fight ended in a draw, he got beat pretty convincingly by Mayweather and was also previously beaten by Cotto, who Pacquiao manhandled. And let's not forget that he's almost 40 now. To be honest, I'd rather see Pacquiao fight Marquez for a third time just because it's interesting, and there is also a demand for it in some circles (at least more so than a Pacquiao-Mosley fight), even though at this point, Marquez will get KO'd, guaranteed. However, there was also suggestions of Mosley maybe getting a rematch with Cotto since their fight was pretty close. I don't really think Pacquiao should fight Paul Williams (who is 6'1"), Andre Berto (who isn't a big enough draw), et.
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Mayweather needs to man up and get the ball rolling, no more farting around.
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Mayweather needs to man up and get the ball rolling, no more farting around.
But he won't though. He was already scared to begin with, now to have seen Pacquiao demolish a fighter that he had ducked probably just made it even worse. And remember, Pacquiao wasn't even as focused as he usually is, given his other obligations (Congress) and various appearances (endorsing some politician in Nevada, appearing and singing on Jimmy Kimmel Live, etc.). Imagine if he had trained 100% over the past seven weeks. Mayweather knows that.
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i'd love to see pacman beat the shit out of mayweather, cant stand these c0cky fighters and athletes....i was so laughing when roy jones jr. got his ass handed to him about 3 times. lol now he's not making anymore rap songs
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It's not so much Mayweather being cocky... it's him being so cocky without proving it. I've been listening to him for the past two years talk about how he is the greatest and how he can beat Pacquiao (with Floyd Sr. and Roger saying the same thing while also insinuating that he's on steroids), yet he keeps finding new excuses to not fight. Shall we take a stroll down memory lane?
After beating Cotto, Pacquiao was asked what he wants to do next, and Pacquiao said that he just wanted to be with his family and go on a vacation for a bit. Mayweather later attacked Pacquiao and said that Pacquiao was scared and wasn't clearly saying that he wanted to fight Mayweather and how he was changing the subject by saying he wanted to go on a vacation. Of course, days later, Pacquiao was interviewed by some LA news channel (probably NBC) where he said, for the record, that he did want to fight Mayweather. Then a few months after Mayweather beat Mosley when the second round of negotiations started, Mayweather said that it had only been a month or two since his last fight with Mosley, and that he wasn't thinking about boxing and how he wanted to be with his family and go on a vacation. Isn't that ironic?
I remember Floyd Sr. trying to discredit Pacquiao's victory over De La Hoya during their HBO 24/7 Overtime interview shortly before the fight (which is on YouTube), where he was saying that Pacquiao fought a drained De La Hoya at a "catchweight" (even though it technically wasn't since it was at the welterweight limit, but he was saying that they used a lower limit as a catchweight below what Oscar normally fights at). Either way, De La Hoya agreed to it, but they conveniently leave out the fact that Pacquiao jumped two whole weight categories to fight De La Hoya compared to his last fight against David Diaz. And then they talk about the catchweight with Cotto (though it was only two pounds) and Margarito (which wasn't so much a hindrance for Margarito since the majority of his recent fights were at welterweight anyway), though they forget to mention that the fights did agree to it. On the flip side, Mayweather even agreed to a catchweight against Marquez (which he disregarded and came in two pounds over anyway). Though on that note, while the Mayweathers will always talk about how easily Floyd manhandled Marquez compared to Pacquiao struggling with him, they'll never mention the fact that like Pacquiao against De La Hoya, Marquez had to fight a bigger man and jump two weight categories into welterweight where he had never fought before. Plus Pacquiao, at that point in his career, was still developing. Oh, and Mayweather had Hatton come up in weight also.
Meanwhile, Mayweather had clearly dodged Margarito and chose Baldomir for the pretty much the same money (as both fights were offering $8 million paydays), plus he had never fought Cotto (who also had a UD victory over Mosley before he did) or Clottey (who tore up Judah easier than he did).
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Mayweather needs to man up and get the ball rolling, no more farting around.
But he won't though. He was already scared to begin with, now to have seen Pacquiao demolish a fighter that he had ducked probably just made it even worse. And remember, Pacquiao wasn't even as focused as he usually is, given his other obligations (Congress) and various appearances (endorsing some politician in Nevada, appearing and singing on Jimmy Kimmel Live, etc.). Imagine if he had trained 100% over the past seven weeks. Mayweather knows that.
Oh I think Antonio's camp making fun of Freddie Roach was motivation enough. And to think he showed compassion in the later rounds. If he didn't Antonio would now have Parkinson's disease as well.
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Oh I think Antonio's camp making fun of Freddie Roach was motivation enough. And to think he showed compassion in the later rounds. If he didn't Antonio would now have Parkinson's disease as well.
Yeah, Margarito's career is already in question due to his orbital bone having been fractured. Take into account the recovery time necessary along with the fact that it may never been as strong again, then think of how bad it could've been in Pacquiao kept going at him. You have to give Margarito some props though, he did show a lot of guts by continuing to fight and throw punches, whereas Cotto soldiered on until the ref ended the fight but was more or less running from Pacquiao the whole time in the last couple of rounds, just trying to survive.
I was also hoping that Rios (one of the guys training alongside Margarito who was on the undercard) would get slapped around for his involvement in that too, but he won his fight. Robert Garcia (Margarito's trainer) is probably gonna get his too, since despite him following Margarito's wishes, his refusal to stop the fight played a role in his fractured orbital bone. Before the fight, people were already thinking of a possible rematch between him and Cotto, though this will postpone that for a while.
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The numbers were released today, it looks like the Pacquiao-Margarito fight did 1.15 million PPV buys.