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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: Prof@ssor on November 13, 2010, 10:23:58 PM
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J. Cole managed to make a name for himself while staying true to himself, in 1 year.
On tour with Jay-Z and featured on his album, Wale's album, Reflection Eternal's album. Soon on tour with Drake, ghostwriting for big names like Diddy and respected by ALL his peers and even hip-hop pioneers.
Bishop for example (after all these years in the industry) releases a badly mixed mixtape ruined by inconsistency.
And this is coming from a huge Bishop fan, just being honest. :-\
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IMO his latest mixtape had less to do with his demise as him leaking unauthorized tracks and being shelved for so long. If Dre would have done a full length project on him it would have been all forgotten.
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He wasn't pushed by his label straight and simple. He had the grind going from 06-08 but that bitch Jimmy and his puppet Andre wouldn't flinch. I think Bishop wasn't commerical enough for them. Fuck suckin other rappers dicks to get popular like j cole did.
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I don't think it's fair to compare Bishop Lamont's situation to J. Cole's. The legit critique would be saying Bishop Lamont signed with the wrong power house and should have sided with Kanye West (I do believe in a past interview Bishop claimed he had the chance) or Jay-Z.
In the time Bishop was coming up he was "hating" a lot and preaching what hip-hop is and isn't which is never good when people want to have fun. Plus, add a label that doesn't know what to do with hip-hop when it's major artist aren't doing anything (Dr.Dre = M.I.A; Em = druggie; and 50 = struggling). Additionally, add the rapid change of the industry where most people were afraid and scared of the changes instead of being used to them (as they are now during J. Cole's time). The times were drastically different.
I'm pretty sure this wasn't a one way street but very little of the other side has spoken on Bishop Lamont. In house producers have made it known they don't comment on artist negatively and bureaucrats don't want to risk their position so unless Dr.Dre or Jimmy Iovine speak on him, it won't matter. 50 did say Bishop couldn't create that hit song which I disagree with. I think he did create plenty of hits but the label never pushed him properly. Evidence is the fact 50 took Still Will Kill and used it himself.
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J. Cole managed to make a name for himself while staying true to himself, in 1 year.
On tour with Jay-Z and featured on his album, Wale's album, Reflection Eternal's album. Soon on tour with Drake, ghostwriting for big names like Diddy and respected by ALL his peers and even hip-hop pioneers.
Bishop for example (after all these years in the industry) releases a badly mixed mixtape ruined by inconsistency.
And this is coming from a huge Bishop fan, just being honest. :-\
explain to me how he could have dropped an album on aftermath
IMO his latest mixtape had less to do with his demise as him leaking unauthorized tracks and being shelved for so long. If Dre would have done a full length project on him it would have been all forgotten.
bishop claims to have left with several songs from the aftermath sessions, so i think you can't say for sure that the releases are unauthorized
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I don't think it's fair to compare Bishop Lamont's situation to J. Cole's. The legit critique would be saying Bishop Lamont signed with the wrong power house and should have sided with Kanye West (I do believe in a past interview Bishop claimed he had the chance) or Jay-Z.
In the time Bishop was coming up he was "hating" a lot and preaching what hip-hop is and isn't which is never good when people want to have fun. Plus, add a label that doesn't know what to do with hip-hop when it's major artist aren't doing anything (Dr.Dre = M.I.A; Em = druggie; and 50 = struggling). Additionally, add the rapid change of the industry where most people were afraid and scared of the changes instead of being used to them (as they are now during J. Cole's time). The times were drastically different.
I'm pretty sure this wasn't a one way street but very little of the other side has spoken on Bishop Lamont. In house producers have made it known they don't comment on artist negatively and bureaucrats don't want to risk their position so unless Dr.Dre or Jimmy Iovine speak on him, it won't matter. 50 did say Bishop couldn't create that hit song which I disagree with. I think he did create plenty of hits but the label never pushed him properly. Evidence is the fact 50 took Still Will Kill and used it himself.
I agree with everything you said bro, and you're right bishop just never had the commercial appeal, even if he had 50 or em on a track i don't think it would have done anything.
Still Will Kill was ass though IMO, one of khalil's weaker productions
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I don't think it's fair to compare Bishop Lamont's situation to J. Cole's. The legit critique would be saying Bishop Lamont signed with the wrong power house and should have sided with Kanye West (I do believe in a past interview Bishop claimed he had the chance) or Jay-Z.
In the time Bishop was coming up he was "hating" a lot and preaching what hip-hop is and isn't which is never good when people want to have fun. Plus, add a label that doesn't know what to do with hip-hop when it's major artist aren't doing anything (Dr.Dre = M.I.A; Em = druggie; and 50 = struggling). Additionally, add the rapid change of the industry where most people were afraid and scared of the changes instead of being used to them (as they are now during J. Cole's time). The times were drastically different.
I'm pretty sure this wasn't a one way street but very little of the other side has spoken on Bishop Lamont. In house producers have made it known they don't comment on artist negatively and bureaucrats don't want to risk their position so unless Dr.Dre or Jimmy Iovine speak on him, it won't matter. 50 did say Bishop couldn't create that hit song which I disagree with. I think he did create plenty of hits but the label never pushed him properly. Evidence is the fact 50 took Still Will Kill and used it himself.
I agree with everything you said bro, and you're right bishop just never had the commercial appeal, even if he had 50 or em on a track i don't think it would have done anything.
Still Will Kill was ass though IMO, one of khalil's weaker productions
actually he wrote:
50 did say Bishop couldn't create that hit song which I disagree with. I think he did create plenty of hits but the label never pushed him properly. Evidence is the fact 50 took Still Will Kill and used it himself.
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I think these are two completely different cases.
Bishop was suppose to follow up Eminem, Dr. Dre & 50 Cent & be the future of Aftermath, but had to wait until they were done; while Cole was just brought up as the next name sponsored by Jay-Z.
Clearly being on Aftermath is just a fail to gain exposure, just ask Joell Ortiz, Obie Trice & Ca$his.
Plus, Cole is far better rapper than Bishop.
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I think these are two completely different cases.
Bishop was suppose to follow up Eminem, Dr. Dre & 50 Cent & be the future of Aftermath, but had to wait until they were done; while Cole was just brought up as the next name sponsored by Jay-Z.
Clearly being on Aftermath is just a fail to gain exposure, just ask Joell Ortiz, Obie Trice & Ca$his.
Plus, Cole is far better rapper than Bishop.
dont ask obie...he got 2 albums out with them
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Bishop is 1/1000000th the rapper J. Cole is , that's the reason
Bishop is also a little whiny bitch, remember that beef he started with Game to give himself buzz?
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I think these are two completely different cases.
Bishop was suppose to follow up Eminem, Dr. Dre & 50 Cent & be the future of Aftermath, but had to wait until they were done; while Cole was just brought up as the next name sponsored by Jay-Z.
Clearly being on Aftermath is just a fail to gain exposure, just ask Joell Ortiz, Obie Trice & Ca$his.
Plus, Cole is far better rapper than Bishop.
dont ask obie...he got 2 albums out with them
98% of Hip Hop fans today cannot name three songs by him.
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OK J Cole himself has not yet blown up and may never blow up. He has buzz but lets see him sell >200,000 records and get a top 40 single before we start calling him big.
Also, Bishop is a great rapper and lyricist. In my opinion at least. I feel like he has it all - voice, flow, lyrics, beat selection (though considering the team he had producing for him at the math, beat selection probably wasn't hard...). On top of that, he's able to rap well on a wide range of topics and themes.
Though Bishop is a great rapper, does he have a voice and flow that could create a radio hit? I have no idea. If I had to guess, no, I just don't see his voice and flow working well with the pop market or working well on a radio type track. But Bishop has already given us a substantial number of good songs, and a handful of phenomenal songs. I'm thankful for that, and I really don't give a fuck if he ever blows up or not.
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Clearly being on Aftermath is just a fail to gain exposure, just ask Joell Ortiz, Obie Trice & Ca$his.
Obie Trice and Ca$his weren't on Aftermath.
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I think these are two completely different cases.
Bishop was suppose to follow up Eminem, Dr. Dre & 50 Cent & be the future of Aftermath, but had to wait until they were done; while Cole was just brought up as the next name sponsored by Jay-Z.
Clearly being on Aftermath is just a fail to gain exposure, just ask Joell Ortiz, Obie Trice & Ca$his.
Plus, Cole is far better rapper than Bishop.
dont ask obie...he got 2 albums out with them
98% of Hip Hop fans today cannot name three songs by him.
That's his fault not the label. He certainly got the exposure.
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Thing is nobody knows nothing about anything when it comes to hits. It's all luck and good timing. You can have Lil Wayne or Eminem on your single or Dr. Dre or Kanye or whoever the fuck you want producing but that doesn't guarantee you're gonna be a star or have a monster hit. But everybody KNOWS what these fucking millionaires should do with their money. All the label has to do is PUSH an artist. Just press some magic button and their music will play on the radio and MTV and they will be fucking stars. Every person who has ever been to a club or a house party can come on the Internet and tell the world what the missing ingredient is in why Bishop Lamont isn't a household name or what Crooked I needs to do.
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Bishop is 1/1000000th the rapper J. Cole is , that's the reason
Bishop is also a little whiny bitch, remember that beef he started with Game to give himself buzz?
if you listen to whiny bitches then your music taste sucks big time
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Who is J. Cole Ive never heard of him unless he plays football for Chelsea
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Who is J. Cole Ive never heard of him unless he plays football for Chelsea
You must've been living in a cave for the past few years.
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Who is J. Cole Ive never heard of him unless he plays football for Chelsea
You must've been living in a cave for the past few years.
yeah, coz J. Cole plays for Liverpool now :laugh:
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Who is J. Cole Ive never heard of him unless he plays football for Chelsea
You must've been living in a cave for the past few years.
yeah, coz J. Cole plays for Liverpool now :laugh:
That' the one 8)
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Bishop Lamont Was Never Gunna Blow!!....Never!!