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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: OG Hack Wilson on November 21, 2010, 03:49:12 PM
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Fisher says that after Young walked off the field he's too immature and regardless of injury or not will not be starting
aka Jeff Fisher wants a better draftpick
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They blow.
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I'm not backing Young here because that was immature but Fisher needs to go. You don't come out and immediately throw a player under the bus like that. I don't buy the BS he said about "Young never asked to come back in the game." On the sidelines, U can see he was extremely anxious to get back in. Fisher stopped him.
Collins (our backup) is allowed to play with a broken finger (throwing ducks) as what I believe a healthier Young was on the sidelines for one half Vs. Miami, in which Young comes in the 2nd half and outplays the shit out of him. But Young isn't allowed to play with a broken finger when he looked anxious to get back in?
Rusty Smith (6th round draft pick) comes in and he out of nowhere has more pull than Young? We start throwing deep balls outta' nowhere? What the fuck. Of course he was picked off (looked like a fly ball to a center fielder).
Young was immature but he knows he doesn't have Fisher's support and that irks him. He's NEVER had Fisher's support. Fisher wanted Matt Leinart (a fellow USC guy) and it took him 0-6 last year to put Young in to finish 8-2.
Fisher MUST GO
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I'd drop Young before Fisher unless you have a solid champ coming in as HC, but even then Young might not be safe with a Parcells or a Cowher, and I doubt either would come in anyway. You could go the Tampa route and get a young guy so him and VY can be buddies and hope it turns out like the Bucs this year, but I don't see that happening twice. Fisher might only be an 8-8 guy who gets lucky some years, but with out him you're risking a 4-12 guy.
This is not an organization committed to winning, so a new guy might get killed coming in as coach. Look, if you can get Dungy and he likes VY and wants to keep him going then you can keep it as an 8-8 team that might get lucky. Anyone else could be a disaster.
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I'd drop Young before Fisher unless you have a solid champ coming in as HC, but even then Young might not be safe with a Parcells or a Cowher, and I doubt either would come in anyway. You could go the Tampa route and get a young guy so him and VY can be buddies and hope it turns out like the Bucs this year, but I don't see that happening twice. Fisher might only be an 8-8 guy who gets lucky some years, but with out him you're risking a 4-12 guy.
This is not an organization committed to winning, so a new guy might get killed coming in as coach. Look, if you can get Dungy and he likes VY and wants to keep him going then you can keep it as an 8-8 team that might get lucky. Anyone else could be a disaster.
Fisher is 8-8 or 9-7 every year. Defines mediocre. I'm willing to take a chance on either a 4-12 or 11-5 guy. Rather risk it then guarantee 8-8 every year with no playoff birth.
Your wrong there. Young can be a 10-6 or more guy with the right circumstances. In his career he's been 8-5 as a starter, 9-6 & 8-2.
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I've always backed Young but there's no excuse for throwing your shit into the crowd like he did. Dumbass.
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I'd drop Young before Fisher unless you have a solid champ coming in as HC, but even then Young might not be safe with a Parcells or a Cowher, and I doubt either would come in anyway. You could go the Tampa route and get a young guy so him and VY can be buddies and hope it turns out like the Bucs this year, but I don't see that happening twice. Fisher might only be an 8-8 guy who gets lucky some years, but with out him you're risking a 4-12 guy.
This is not an organization committed to winning, so a new guy might get killed coming in as coach. Look, if you can get Dungy and he likes VY and wants to keep him going then you can keep it as an 8-8 team that might get lucky. Anyone else could be a disaster.
Fisher is 8-8 or 9-7 every year. Defines mediocre. I'm willing to take a chance on either a 4-12 or 11-5 guy. Rather risk it then guarantee 8-8 every year with no playoff birth.
Your wrong there. Young can be a 10-6 or more guy with the right circumstances. In his career he's been 8-5 as a starter, 9-6 & 8-2.
Young can be a 10-6 guy on the Ravens or the Jets. Because both teams are built to be 10-6 or more with out there QBs. The Titans aren't built like that. And THE only coach I could see coming in and keeping Young and giving that team a winning shot is Dungy. Parcels, Cowher, or Marty can make that team a 10-6 team but they'd both drop Young and draft a QB.
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I'd drop Young before Fisher unless you have a solid champ coming in as HC, but even then Young might not be safe with a Parcells or a Cowher, and I doubt either would come in anyway. You could go the Tampa route and get a young guy so him and VY can be buddies and hope it turns out like the Bucs this year, but I don't see that happening twice. Fisher might only be an 8-8 guy who gets lucky some years, but with out him you're risking a 4-12 guy.
This is not an organization committed to winning, so a new guy might get killed coming in as coach. Look, if you can get Dungy and he likes VY and wants to keep him going then you can keep it as an 8-8 team that might get lucky. Anyone else could be a disaster.
Fisher is 8-8 or 9-7 every year. Defines mediocre. I'm willing to take a chance on either a 4-12 or 11-5 guy. Rather risk it then guarantee 8-8 every year with no playoff birth.
Your wrong there. Young can be a 10-6 or more guy with the right circumstances. In his career he's been 8-5 as a starter, 9-6 & 8-2.
Young can be a 10-6 guy on the Ravens or the Jets. Because both teams are built to be 10-6 or more with out there QBs. The Titans aren't built like that. And THE only coach I could see coming in and keeping Young and giving that team a winning shot is Dungy. Parcels, Cowher, or Marty can make that team a 10-6 team but they'd both drop Young and draft a QB.
I don't know how U can say that when I posted those records as a Titans starter.
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I'd drop Young before Fisher unless you have a solid champ coming in as HC, but even then Young might not be safe with a Parcells or a Cowher, and I doubt either would come in anyway. You could go the Tampa route and get a young guy so him and VY can be buddies and hope it turns out like the Bucs this year, but I don't see that happening twice. Fisher might only be an 8-8 guy who gets lucky some years, but with out him you're risking a 4-12 guy.
This is not an organization committed to winning, so a new guy might get killed coming in as coach. Look, if you can get Dungy and he likes VY and wants to keep him going then you can keep it as an 8-8 team that might get lucky. Anyone else could be a disaster.
Fisher is 8-8 or 9-7 every year. Defines mediocre. I'm willing to take a chance on either a 4-12 or 11-5 guy. Rather risk it then guarantee 8-8 every year with no playoff birth.
Your wrong there. Young can be a 10-6 or more guy with the right circumstances. In his career he's been 8-5 as a starter, 9-6 & 8-2.
jeff fisher has never gone 9-7
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^ 9-7 was more of a metaphor of mediocre. He defines .500
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Here's Jim Wyatt's description of what happened after the game (from Twitter):
Learning more on Vince Young post-game. Source says there was a verbal confrontation between Young and Jeff Fisher in locker room.
Fisher was gathering team and Young was throwing out expletives under his breath as he got dressed. Fisher told him to quiet down
Young dressed and headed toward door and Fisher told him not to walk out on teammates.
Young's reply to Fisher, and I'm paraphrasing: "I'm not running out on teammates, I'm running out on you"
Young stormed out locker room as more words were exchanged with Fisher.
Young is done for the #Titans this season, injury or not. I don't think he ever plays for Coach Jeff Fisher again.
FIRE FISHER
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@VinceYoung10
for your info I have my shoulder pads stop believing everything u here.
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what do the tenn forums say
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what do the tenn forums say
Sort of split down the middle.
Most have been wanting Fisher out a few weeks now though. Lotta VY haters too (and lovers)
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From the Tenn. forum (I agree)
(Mke) Griffins (starting S) comments about letting go of ego can only mean Fisher. Fisher had his ego hurt when Bud benched Collins and played Young. Fisher has always wanted Collins and will try to get Young out of game at anytime. How many times has Young been benched this year, or knocked out of game and not allowed back in even though he could play?
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@VinceYoung10
for your info I have my shoulder pads stop believing everything u here.
How could you want someone so illiterate to be your starting QB? ;D
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@VinceYoung10
for your info I have my shoulder pads stop believing everything u here.
How could you want someone so illiterate to be your starting QB? ;D
:D
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I'd drop Young before Fisher unless you have a solid champ coming in as HC, but even then Young might not be safe with a Parcells or a Cowher, and I doubt either would come in anyway. You could go the Tampa route and get a young guy so him and VY can be buddies and hope it turns out like the Bucs this year, but I don't see that happening twice. Fisher might only be an 8-8 guy who gets lucky some years, but with out him you're risking a 4-12 guy.
This is not an organization committed to winning, so a new guy might get killed coming in as coach. Look, if you can get Dungy and he likes VY and wants to keep him going then you can keep it as an 8-8 team that might get lucky. Anyone else could be a disaster.
Fisher is 8-8 or 9-7 every year. Defines mediocre. I'm willing to take a chance on either a 4-12 or 11-5 guy. Rather risk it then guarantee 8-8 every year with no playoff birth.
Your wrong there. Young can be a 10-6 or more guy with the right circumstances. In his career he's been 8-5 as a starter, 9-6 & 8-2.
Young can be a 10-6 guy on the Ravens or the Jets. Because both teams are built to be 10-6 or more with out there QBs. The Titans aren't built like that. And THE only coach I could see coming in and keeping Young and giving that team a winning shot is Dungy. Parcels, Cowher, or Marty can make that team a 10-6 team but they'd both drop Young and draft a QB.
I don't know how U can say that when I posted those records as a Titans starter.
I mean with out Fisher. If you guys had Jim Caldwell and VY took every snap you'd be lucky to finish 5-11.
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^ I really don't believe that (not talkin' Jim Caldwell). I don't think it's fair to say under a new Titans coach Vince can't go better than 8-8
He 30-17 as an NFL starter and very little of that IMO has to do with Fisher when we've seen Young save Fisher's job twice (esp. the 0-6 start with Kerry)
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^ I really don't believe that (not talkin' Jim Caldwell). I don't think it's fair to say under a new Titans coach Vince can't go better than 8-8
He 30-17 as an NFL starter and very little of that IMO has to do with Fisher when we've seen Young save Fisher's job twice (esp. the 0-6 start with Kerry)
Yeah because they'd really have been any better than 1-5 with VY that year. Fisher has built a solid team every year for over twen years when given very little to nothing by management.
What I'm saying with Caldwell is that the type of coach that the Titnas will get is more likely to be a Bobby Petrino, Jim Zorn type of coach and VY will not strive if that happens. They are better off with Fisher and no Young than the situation I'm predicting. If they get Dungy then it's a different strory.
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^ I think they would have at least beat Hou & Jax and been 2-4. That would have resulted in 10-6 and a playoff birth I believe
I agree Fisher builds solid teams when given little to nothing; my issue is when given above average rosters, the record is still average. This is not a bad roster. Best RB in the NFL, a very serviceable group of WR's, a good enough O-Line, pro bowl caliber pass defenders in Finnegan & Griffin, and good LB like Witherspoon & Tulloch, Brown & Jones are good DT and Ball/Babin have given them great production at DE. 5-5 after a 5-2 start is unacceptable.
We also get killed by penalties every week which reflects poor discipline from the coaching staff
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^ I think they would have at least beat Hou & Jax and been 2-4. That would have resulted in 10-6 and a playoff birth I believe
I agree Fisher builds solid teams when given little to nothing; my issue is when given above average rosters, the record is still average. This is not a bad roster. Best RB in the NFL, a very serviceable group of WR's, a good enough O-Line, pro bowl caliber pass defenders in Finnegan & Griffin, and good LB like Witherspoon & Tulloch, Brown & Jones are good DT and Ball/Babin have given them great production at DE. 5-5 after a 5-2 start is unacceptable.
We also get killed by penalties every week which reflects poor discipline from the coaching staff
You assume that they'd win all those game they had won if VY started them all. Because they were 0-6 and because they were just destroyed in NE they played with a nothing to lose mentality that may not have carried over if VY had started the whole way and they still had a shot. VY had nothing to lose and a lot to prove. he also had a chip on his shoulder. If he had started the whole season all that would not have been there. The Niners, the Texans, the Cards, and the Dolphins; one of those close wins would have went the other way.
Of course had they made the Wildcard Cinci would had beaten them, and if not then SD would have destroyed them. Then SD would have beaten Indy. And SD probably would have won the whole thing after that.
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^ We're all just assuming I guess.
Regardless, Young acted immature but Fisher needs to go IMO.
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what he did is inexcusable.
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Owner just said "they have to get along" and when asked if Young will be in Tennessee next year he said "Oh God yes!" We know how the owner feels about Young. He loves him.
This is interesting. If Young is healthy right now, it almost seems like the owner will "force" Fisher to play him.
Will see how Young's thumb is feeling
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Same happened in Hockey With Vincent Lecavalier who was #1 pick overal dint get along with his coach John Tortorella.
The owner said either man was going anywhere... they won a cup 2 years later.