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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: dpgc2002 on December 24, 2002, 04:29:42 PM
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The best west coast diss song ever...Eazy, Knoccout and Dresta really brought it to Dre and Snoop...And the beat is classic...
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yea this and dollarz and sense and then dre day (becuz of snoops verse bow wow wow yippi yo yippi ya)
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HITEMUP.
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I say Dollaz & sense is the sickest diss ever made IMO. He destroys MC Eiht top to bottom lyrically, unlike Hit Em Up, where the only potent disses were the threats and the "fuck you"s. Hit Em Up wasn't a diss song, it was just a whole bunch of threats made over a beat
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"you claim to be a player, but i fucked your wife" isn't a diss? i don't see how i you can say this isn't a diss song. however it's not like pac blew peoples minds with his wordplay or anything like that. it is a lot more than just a whole bunch of threats made over a beat. pac and the outlawz drop several verses before pac goes on that rapmpage at the end. but you can't deny that when you heard this song you knew that pac was just a little upset. he loses his fuckin mind on this song. i guess i do see what you're sayin but pacs emotion in the song is still crazy. peace
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agreed... the guy loses his mind on the track. If we're talkin about the emotion put in the track, 2Pac wins easily, but DJ Quik's diss was just vile. He exposed the true bitch in MC Eiht, and that's what a diss track really is, to humiliate your rival. Whereas 2Pac didn't really humiliate B.I.G., Puffy, etc., he threatened the shit out of them.
Let me just put it this way... if you define a diss track as a form of striking fear in your rival's heart, scaring em shitless, Hit Em Up is definitely your pick for best diss track ever. As I mentioned above, I define a diss track as a form of humiliating your rival, and ruining their credibility, which Quik performs to a tee, hands down.
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i'm totally with you dog. it just depends on what you consider a diss. i still remember when i heard d&s. i was like Damn! and come to think of it that was my reaction to the first time i heard hitemup. They both show tons of disrespect but in completly different ways. peace
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Real Muthafuckin Gz smashes on Hit Em Up easily...it was ten times more g'd up...it was much more personal...considering pac didnt know 90% of the people he dissed...plus that was real beef...not some studio thug shit threat shit...Ruthless and Deathrow actually scrapped...Pac never even confronted any of his "enemies"....Quik and Eiht was a real beef....real tracks with REAL emotions...pac had fake emotions thrown in there...he even said it was all for sales...meanin its all for show...WACK!
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fake emotions huh? so fucking you're arch enemies wife is fake? i don't remember hearin about dre fucking Tomica Wright. or any other of eazy's seven baby mamas. it doesn't get any more real than that. i don't remember hearin about dre and eazy ever throwin down. sure daz and eazy were arguin with each other on the radio. i'm not sayin that beef wasn't real. but i do have a little news for ya. if beef didn't equal sales, do you really think anyone would beef on wax in the first place? so your statement that you bring up all the time that "its all for the money, he said so himself" no shit. nobody fronts like they don't do it for money.
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"It's On" is also very tight. It's underrated, when you ask me.
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^^^pac fucked her so what?...they werent arch enemies...big really never had major beef...thats why he never paid pac attention...BG Knocc & Dresta & the DPG got into a scuffle more than a few times...Pac fucked bigs wife i believe when they had already broken up...that dont mean shit...he just got Bigs sloppy seconds...WOW that is a real diss!...lol...id hate to admit that i got sloppy seconds of a guy i had beef with...and true everyone does it for the money...but Ruthless and Deathrow actually had beef behind it...Pac really had to beef behind his...he just had someone in his ear tellin him what to do...thats the difference
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BIG NEVER HAD BEEF? have you ever hear long kiss goodnight? who the hell do you think that was intended for? and when Faith had their daughter Big said on Jay's first record "if faith had twins she'd probably have two-pacs, get it Tupac's" . i'm not gonna argue if Big was still with her, theres no way to prove it. bottom line is Pac did it to get at Biggie, and it affected him. and that shit wasn't real? well last time i checked both pac and big are dead, so it sure seems real
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^^^sure big did it subliminal...he never gave pac the shine he wanted...so it wasnt a big huge deal for big...he lived his life without focus on pac...and like i said...pac got bigs sloppy seconds...that shit would make me laugh if my "enemie" went out and fucked my ex to make me jealous...cuz i already been there and done that...as for the death of big and pac...pac died(imo) for reppin shit he didnt know a damn thing about...for tryin to bang on real gz when he wasnt a g...thats why pac died...not cuz of some on wax beef with a rapper he also lived a studio thug life...im not sure about bigs death tho...i never put much thought into...probably just some moron pac fan thinkin big killed pac....
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well theres fuckloads of evidence that links associates of tha row aka suge to biggies murder. AND THAT SHIT WASN'T REAL? as for your whole sloppy seconds thing let me ask you this...if big's daughter would have come up to him one day and said "daddy, what did you mean when you said mommy might have two-pacs?" big says "well honey your mama aka my wife fucked tupac at the same time i was fucking her, and well, to be honest, to this very day i don't know if you are my daughter or pac's" you don't think he thought about that shit? you don't think his daughter is gonna hear all this? so if you don't think that got under biggies skin your crazy
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I'm with S.G.V on this one... Eazy E's shit was way more personal. You fools don't want to admit it when even 2pac himself tells you in his interviews that it was all business. They would ask Biggie why tha beef started... and he would alwayz answer sayin that it was a surprise to him. There wasn't really no beef.
Jerome... Most of tha stuff you're talking about is stuff that happened after Hit Em Up. So Hit Em Up was when 2pac first tripped. He mentioned that "Fucked Your Wife" thing but to this day.. we're actin like it's fact. It could have been just some other "I Fucked Your Bitch" diss line... She never admitted to it.
I agree with S.G.V... he got way over his head... started thinking he was Super Thug with Suge behind him... He wasn't claimin bangin till after he got with tha Row. Like I said... he got in over his head... and he got popped. Now Biggie on tha other hand... He was true to his.. He even had tha balls to come out to L.A after tha whole thang... and then you got Suge, not tupac... another muthafucker who's REAL gangsta, I believe he had Biggie killed but how can that be 2pac beef when 2pac's dead.
But anywayz... all that happened after Hit Em Up.. Alot of real shit happened over some fake diss shit.
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yo homie hitemup wasn't the first time pac talked about it. remember holla at me on all eyez on me? that was about big. and i'm not debating which is better. i said earlier that they really can't be compared because one opinion takes into account emotion of a song, and the other is more wordplay/lyrical. they're too different to compare. my debate was that he said none of this was real. of course it was about money. but everyone in hip hop admits that beef equals $$$$. i wouldn't expect faith to admit it, but pac said it happened, and so did BIG. but to be fair none of us can comment cuz we don't know. i do know this-big and pac are both dead. there is strong evidence showing that somehow suge was affiliated with his murder. to say that isn't real is crazy IMO. and i'm not denying pac was in over his head. but pac wasn't spouting off about some bull shit. i think there was shit there that no one knew about. i don't care whether it was just about moeny or something else, i think pac had a true disliking for biggie and puff. maybe pac was jealous of them for some reason. suge hated puff with a passion, and didn't like big. it was a perfect combination. and suge definetly was whisperin in pacs ear. but it was some type of real shit because both of them are dead.
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See that makes me even lose more respect for Pac. When people start sayin that it was Suge whispering in his ear. That just goes to show that he wasn't even callin his own shots... he was Suge's puppet. I honestly think that he started dissin Biggie cuz Suge talked him into it. LOL, that's weak... its like tha reason 50 gives for calling Ja Rule a Wanksta... cuz Ja Rule just talking shit cuz he gots certain people behind him and he thinks he can get away with it... Same thing with Pac.. Suge had him feeling safe.
And about U Better Holla At Me... That doesn't really matter cuz they both came out at tha same time. Holla At Me came out on All Eyez On Me, and Hit Em Up was on tha "California Love" single cd.. which was tha single for All Eyes On Me... That whole cd was full of disses to BIG... most fake IMO.
But still though... how can you really argue when 2pac himself says it was all business... after he almost finished Biggie's Carreer... he got all cocky... He didn't seem as angry... and he would just laugh saying how it was all business...
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^^^sure big did it subliminal...he never gave pac the shine he wanted...so it wasnt a big huge deal for big...he lived his life without focus on pac...and like i said...pac got bigs sloppy seconds...that shit would make me laugh if my "enemie" went out and fucked my ex to make me jealous...cuz i already been there and done that...as for the death of big and pac...pac died(imo) for reppin shit he didnt know a damn thing about...for tryin to bang on real gz when he wasnt a g...thats why pac died...not cuz of some on wax beef with a rapper he also lived a studio thug life...im not sure about bigs death tho...i never put much thought into...probably just some moron pac fan thinkin big killed pac....
homie shut up and show sum respect man its no good talkin wen the guys dead even the people who hated pac dont say bad things bout him now yet you u continue to dis respect which pisses me off and who do u rate as a g chino xl please
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yo dude-i ain't arguin i do think suge was in pac's ear. i do think suge was fueling the fire. and i know you think its weak but look at how much money is involved. people will do anything for money. but i think there is more to it then anybody knows. why the fuck would suge want big to die if it was all for publicity? why would suge risk everything he has in order to have biggie killed? do you think its some strange coincidence that big came out to LA 6 months later only to be murdered? there is sooo much evidence to link him to big's murder. and you guys don't think that there was some serious shit goin on? suge is real fuckin g. and i think he had REAL beef with puff/big. don't know what it was, but i really believe he had somethin to do with biggie's death
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You must have not read my first post all tha way through... It was kinda long.
I also agree Suge had something to do with Biggie's death. I think he had him killed. Those are just my thoughts though. Like I said... Real shit happened over some fake diss shit. All that was tha aftermath to Hit Em Up and tha other disses. 2pac started with tha fake disses... it escelated into real shit after that... and both of them ended up dead.
I dont think Suge had Biggie killed over Publicity... but in revenge for Pac's death. All tha bullshit got blown out of proportion and took 2 of tha greatest rappers ever.
But this whole thread is about tha better diss song ... and I'm just tryna point out that Hit Em Up doesn't qualify FOR ME cuz it seemed fake. And I was just tryna explain you why I felt it was fake.
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i got you homie. so is your favorite dis song of all time real muthafukkin g's? i think eazy is the first rapper ever to use the words "dapper" and anorexic in a song. straight classic shit. i wish 187um wasn't an ep. i loved the production on that cd. even the remix to boyz in the hood was tight.
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homie shut up and show sum respect man its no good talkin wen the guys dead even the people who hated pac dont say bad things bout him now yet you u continue to dis respect which pisses me off and who do u rate as a g chino xl please
For me the best disses are "Real Mutherfucking G's", "Its on" and "Dollers and sense"..
Oh and Chino served pac hard if u ask me, Pac should thank his lucky stars that he beefed with Biggie who didn't say squat. Had he had a beef with chino and hit em up was directed to chino, then chino would have made pac look like the laughing stock of rap.
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i got you homie. so is your favorite dis song of all time real muthafukkin g's? i think eazy is the first rapper ever to use the words "dapper" and anorexic in a song. straight classic shit. i wish 187um wasn't an ep. i loved the production on that cd. even the remix to boyz in the hood was tight.
I dont know about it being my favorite... definately one of my favorites. Up there with Dollaz N Sense and Dre Day. Both DPG's and Eazy's "What Would You Do's" were dope. I love alot of tha Subliminal shit Biggie did with Pac. That Masta Ace diss to High & The Mighty... "And You Can't Spit Nigga, So You Obviously Must Swallow"... maybe not one of tha best but that was nice. West Coast Connection dissing Cypress Hill. Everlast's diss to Eminem... forgot tha name of it but damn... he got Em good. There's alot of good shit out there...but Real Muthaphukkin G's is probabaly top 5 material.
And yeah, 187um was tight... definately some of Eazy's best work. I can bump every song on that. But I think it's soo good because it's so short, he didn't put any fillers in there... kept it short but with dope.
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Can...can we all get along
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homie shut up and show sum respect man its no good talkin wen the guys dead even the people who hated pac dont say bad things bout him now yet you u continue to dis respect which pisses me off and who do u rate as a g chino xl please
i dont see where im disrespectin pac...did i ever say "his life meant nothing, i was happy when he died"...or "i hope he rots in hell"....NO....just cuz i dont like the guy dont mean im disrespectin him...u fuckin pac fans piss me off for swearin that everyone has to like pac...fuck that...and no i think X-Raided, C-Bo, Tray Deee, Jayo Felony are G...Chino is a lyical genious like Catash said...pac is lucky he didnt get into a deep beef with Chino...cuz Chino wouldve ripped pac a apart
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";A Nigga Wit 1 Bar Shouldnt Speak!/I Grab My Crotch When I See Tupac";-Chino XL Dissin TuWac
u aint disrespectin thats the second time ive seen a different 2pac diss with the words tuwac
if u aint disrespectin 2pac wat hav u got an obsession with him or something
i aint a pac fan i like pac like i like snoop and the way i like nas and nwa
i repect wat the guy stood for and the message he delivered to the people he kept it real.
peace
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lol that aint disrespect thats clownin...plus i do it to infuriate the pac fans...its just like someone callin Bigge Notorious P.I.G. or Jay-Z Gay-Z...Dr Dre Dre Gay...etc...its just clownin...RELAX...
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hell ya this iz a best diss song and so iz Fuck Dre but i dont really think hit em up iz tha best diss song!
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lol that aint disrespect thats clownin...plus i do it to infuriate the pac fans...its just like someone callin Bigge Notorious P.I.G. or Jay-Z Gay-Z...Dr Dre Dre Gay...etc...its just clownin...RELAX...
good point that makes alot of sense.....i think people just get hurt cause he dead....and its their favorite artist.
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i think all those tracks like ....
Dre day
Hit em up
Real Muthafukkin Gz
What would you do
Dollaz and Senze
they all classic disses and classic tracks....i love all of them even though they diss some of my favorite artist.....but the tracks are classic........
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callin out names. hands down
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Best diss songs
No Vaseline-Cube tore aprt the whole NWA!!!!
Real Muthaphuckin G'z-Eazy had the balls to diss Deathrow on wax, no-one t this day can claim that!!!!
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while yall are arguing about those other tracks, your forgetting the all time greatest: NO VASELINE!!
Cube took the biggest(and most people considered them at the time, the hardest) gangsta rap group and made them look rediculous, separately, and as a group, in 3 verses, and with no help from anyone.
not many of those other songs damged a rapper/groups credability as much as no vaseline, and cube did it all by himself (no suge backing him, no crew rapping on his shit)
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while yall are arguing about those other tracks, your forgetting the all time greatest: NO VASELINE!!
Cube took the biggest(and most people considered them at the time, the hardest) gangsta rap group and made them look rediculous, separately, and as a group, in 3 verses, and with no help from anyone.
not many of those other songs damged a rapper/groups credability as much as no vaseline, and cube did it all by himself (no suge backing him, no crew rapping on his shit)
u right bout that cube ripped them also how would yall class eminems disses let me know peace
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kurupt - calling out names
realest - fuck dre
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Eazy E - Ole School Shit
Eazy E - Real Mutha Phukkin G'z
2Pac - When we ride on our Enemies (Unreleased Original Version)
Xzibit - JD Diss (Grindin Mix)
Eminem - Dissin Fred Durst
Tha Realest - Fuck Dre
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I like all diss songs but personnaly I like Real Muthafuckin' Gz best..
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Real Muthafuckin Gz smashes on Hit Em Up easily...it was ten times more g'd up...it was much more personal...considering pac didnt know 90% of the people he dissed...plus that was real beef...not some studio thug shit threat shit...Ruthless and Deathrow actually scrapped...Pac never even confronted any of his "enemies"....Quik and Eiht was a real beef....real tracks with REAL emotions...pac had fake emotions thrown in there...he even said it was all for sales...meanin its all for show...WACK!
agreed man !!!
btw, your karma finally went above the 0 point !!!
thanx to me :)
peace
GT
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Real Muthafuckin Gz smashes on Hit Em Up easily...it was ten times more g'd up...it was much more personal...considering pac didnt know 90% of the people he dissed...plus that was real beef...not some studio thug shit threat shit...Ruthless and Deathrow actually scrapped...Pac never even confronted any of his "enemies"....Quik and Eiht was a real beef....real tracks with REAL emotions...pac had fake emotions thrown in there...he even said it was all for sales...meanin its all for show...WACK!
agreed man !!!
btw, your karma finally went above the 0 point !!!
thanx to me :)
peace
GT
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^^^^thanks foo...im workin on urs too ;D
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^^^^thanks foo...im workin on urs too ;D
:D :D :D you gotta work really hard on mine :D :D :D
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damn suck my dick i'll suck yours^^^
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i got you homie. so is your favorite dis song of all time real muthafukkin g's? i think eazy is the first rapper ever to use the words "dapper" and anorexic in a song. straight classic shit. i wish 187um wasn't an ep. i loved the production on that cd. even the remix to boyz in the hood was tight.
Fa Sho!!! If it was an LP that shiit would have been #1 classic in my books. Still the best EP though.