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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: King Tech Quadafi on December 28, 2002, 12:49:28 PM
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i will always be scorned by my friends for these views but to me, all time,...........
WILT CHAMBERLAIN > MICHAEL JORDAN
and aint no doubt bout that either
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dont forget kareem abdul jabbar
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What are you basing that on? Wilt was great, most consecutive games played, never fouled out of 1 game, highest scorer ever, but I would still say Jordan is best all around. I didn't use to think that, until he returned from his retirement and cemented his legacy (the first time). I'd say best ever would be like Jordan, Magic, Bird, Chamberlain, Jabbar, Maravich, in no order.
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all around? Chamberlain led the league in assists one season...i dunno im a big man myself u know, so i am biased to chamberlain
this man single handedly re defined the game
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i cmopletely disagree man, no way...chamberlain was only famous because he scored 100 points in an nba game and also because heshad sex with prostitues over 1000 times...lol...as for kareem, he is a respected nba player but no way better than michael jordan...jordan was the best player ever, he averaged 32 points per game, and tahats a lot, plus hes generated opver 10 billion dollars towards the US economy, he is truly the man.
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I think to be 'greatest player ever' then the person needs to be good in every element of the game. There have been lots of players in history that can lead at one or two elements in their particular era but Jordan is the only one to master almost every one during his career.
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kareem was the best..
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i cmopletely disagree man, no way...chamberlain was only famous because he scored 100 points in an nba game and also because heshad sex with prostitues over 1000 times...lol...as for kareem, he is a respected nba player but no way better than michael jordan...jordan was the best player ever, he averaged 32 points per game, and tahats a lot, plus hes generated opver 10 billion dollars towards the US economy, he is truly the man.
wanna talk about stats?? heres some stats...
points per game:
01. Michael Jordan - 30.6
02. Wilt Chamberlain - 30.1
12. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar- 24.6
total points
01. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar- 38,387
03. Wilt Chamberlain - 31,419
04. Michael Jordan- 31,133
rebounds per game
01. wilt chamberlain - 22.9
25. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar - 11.2
total rebounds
01. Wilt Chamberlain - 23,924
03. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar - 17,440
Field Goal Percentage
08. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar - .559
16. Wilt Chamberlain - .540
Steals Per Game
03. Michael Jordan - 2.39
Total Steals
02. Michael Jordan - 2,432
Blocks per Game
10. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar - 2.57
Total Blocks:
02. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar - 3,189
do you still think mj is the greatest?? ::)
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Michael Jordan is the best...Just as Kobe Bryant is the best player in the NBA right now, not Shaq...Shaq might be the most dominating just as Wilt was but he is not the best...Wilt Chamberlain was a 50% free throw shooter...How is the best of alltime making only half of his free throws...Oh yeah Kobe will be the best of all time when his career is finished...
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To ibo, all that info uve posted really doesn't matter, michael has proven to be a better player despite those total points, and those other things. He has been a great personality of inspiration on the international level, not only in america. Who knows mych about kareem than they do about jordan. Jordan is a much better player overall. This is my opinion, you can think what ever u want. Remember that when Jordan was around, in the nba, his success was consistent, he had led the bulls to 6 championships in a row. THats a lot for a basketball player. None of those players uve mentioned can ever match jordan.
peace
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To ibo, all that info uve posted really doesn't matter, michael has proven to be a better player despite those total points, and those other things. He has been a great personality of inspiration on the international level, not only in america. Who knows mych about kareem than they do about jordan. Jordan is a much better player overall. This is my opinion, you can think what ever u want. Remember that when Jordan was around, in the nba, his success was consistent, he had led the bulls to 6 championships in a row. THats a lot for a basketball player. None of those players uve mentioned can ever match jordan.
peace
the stats doesnt matter?? LMAO.. thats the funniest thing ive heard... so it doest matter that kareem and wilt scored more, blocked more and grabbed more rebounds that jordan... jordan is still the dopest?? .. its like saying that it doesnt matter that tim motgomrey broke the world record, stats dont matter, carl lewis is still the fastest guy, cuz "Who knows mych about motgomrey than they do about carl lewis"
lol... you're funny... no offense
so you mean that since "jordan" is a bigger name than "chamberlain", jordan must have been better?? ... lol...
better on what??
not scoring...
not defense
not field percentage...
tell me what jordan did better than wilt...
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Michael Jordan is the best...Just as Kobe Bryant is the best player in the NBA right now, not Shaq...Shaq might be the most dominating just as Wilt was but he is not the best...Wilt Chamberlain was a 50% free throw shooter...How is the best of alltime making only half of his free throws...Oh yeah Kobe will be the best of all time when his career is finished...
last time i checked the dictionary, "being the most dominant" was the same thing as "being the best"...
but lemme check again.. lol
Cammbrige Online Dictionary:
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dominant
(adjective)
more important, strong, noticeable, etc. than anything else of the same type
with with other words can be described as "being the supperior" or BEING THE BEST
seems i was right... lol
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Hmmm; What do your stats show, though? We've got Jordan with the highest scoring avg. per game. Jordan scoring COMPARABLY with all time points; he didn't beat them, but scored more per game, which is a better measure. Wilt played for 20 some years, Jordan's been playing 17, I believe... Naturally Wilt would have more points, but Jordan has a higher point average per game. Wilt has more rebounds... guess what? He's a CENTER. Jordan isn't. Wilt and Kareem should have more rebounds. Also, while they have him on rebounds, he has them on steals, which usually turn into 2 points more times than not (usually Jordan or anybody who steals gets the fast break on the opposing team). They've got him on blocks, but again they're 6 inches taller than him. They're centers, they're supposed to block. I guess you're saying their field goal percentage is higher, since you didn't mention michael, that is a measurable accomplishment, so I give them props for that. I'd also like to see assist records, I would imagine Jordan leads them in that. Remember Wilt played before the 3 second in the box rule too, he used to just stand under the basket and make everything they threw him, playing as the tallest in the N.B.A... that's how he scored a hundred points.
I'd say Wilt has more of a claim to it then Kareem, but imo Jordan is a much better all around player.
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Chamberlain is the reason the NBA ended zone defence after originally having it, he had the single most dominant GAME and SEASON in NBA history...he was a monster....he completely REDEFINED the league, it will never be the same, in his prime he was completely unstoppable
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Chamberlain is the reason the NBA ended zone defence after originally having it]
hmmm, not to test your basketball knowledge, but why would you lift a zone defense against a dominating center like chamberlain...? the nba just implemented a zone defense to stop shaq last year...no more illegal defense is allowed!!!! and btw jordan and wilt are close but I give the nod to jordan by a slight edge...and if anyone has any questions about a zone defense and its purpose, let me know( hint hint..stop a dominating inside force)
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chamberlin was ahead of his time he was no better than what Alonzo Mourning is now......Great Great Player but not the best, Chamberlin was playing fools half his size so it was easy to dominate and do all the stuff he did, same for Bill Russle......the averag weight and heights of NBA players back in the days was no different than the national ht/wts.
Jordan is simply the best if he was playing in wilt's time period Jordan would've made bill russle and wilt chamberlin his 2nd and 3rd bannanas!
this is coming from someone who's disliked jordan for years too! the only player who can even come close to being up there with jordan is MAGIC JOHNSON
but if Kareem and Wilt are supposively the best players ever, that would mean Shaq IS or is going to be the best player ever becuase he's already being ranked as the all time greatest Center yo
anyways no matter how you flip it Jordan is simply the best you cannot take that away from him. the only people who can even come close to are Magic, and maybe Kobe 7 years from now but other than that--------------not even a chance
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Chamberlain is the reason the NBA ended zone defence after originally having it, he had the single most dominant GAME and SEASON in NBA history...he was a monster....he completely REDEFINED the league, it will never be the same, in his prime he was completely unstoppable
right before Wilt's Death he said in his prime not even he could stop Shaquille O'neal, this was in 1998 (9) before shaq had went into HIS prime and before he won a ring
wilt said that shaq was stronger, faster, agile, a better passer, and more unstoppable than him
maranate on that
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I think to be 'greatest player ever' then the person needs to be good in every element of the game. There have been lots of players in history that can lead at one or two elements in their particular era but Jordan is the only one to master almost every one during his career.
yup yup
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Chamberlain is the reason the NBA ended zone defence after originally having it, he had the single most dominant GAME and SEASON in NBA history...he was a monster....he completely REDEFINED the league, it will never be the same, in his prime he was completely unstoppable
right before Wilt's Death he said in his prime not even he could stop Shaquille O'neal, this was in 1998 (9) before shaq had went into HIS prime and before he won a ring
wilt said that shaq was stronger, faster, agile, a better passer, and more unstoppable than him
maranate on that
belive it or not.. but shaquille is one of the best players ever...
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10 years from now we will be saying Kobe Bryant is the best player ever in the NBA...That's if he stays healthy...And to dude who looked up the dictionary, this aint english 101 its basketball...Dominant is not the same as being the best...Dominant simply means you are overpowering players with your strength like Shaq does and Wilt did...You simply cannot be considered the best when you shoot 50% from the foul line as these dudes have done...Jordan and Kobe are all around players who can beat you via defense, offense, passing, rebounding and shooting over 80% from the line...
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personally i don't think you can compare these players...they all had their shine and made their mark in the nba so its kinda hard to compare kareem to jordan or magic to wilt.. etc. etc. all of these players have their own achievements
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Chamberlain is the reason the NBA ended zone defence after originally having it, he had the single most dominant GAME and SEASON in NBA history...he was a monster....he completely REDEFINED the league, it will never be the same, in his prime he was completely unstoppable
Duh. It had to do with, maybe, him being the tallest in the N.B.A! If Shaq was the only 7 footer playing today, and there was zone defense, he's be just as dominant.
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chamberlin was ahead of his time he was no better than what Alonzo Mourning is now......Great Great Player but not the best, Chamberlin was playing fools half his size so it was easy to dominate and do all the stuff he did, same for Bill Russle......the averag weight and heights of NBA players back in the days was no different than the national ht/wts.
Jordan is simply the best if he was playing in wilt's time period Jordan would've made bill russle and wilt chamberlin his 2nd and 3rd bannanas!
this is coming from someone who's disliked jordan for years too! the only player who can even come close to being up there with jordan is MAGIC JOHNSON
anyways no matter how you flip it Jordan is simply the best you cannot take that away from him. the only people who can even come close to are Magic, and maybe Kobe 7 years from now but other than that--------------not even a chance
My thoughts exactly.
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personally i don't think you can compare these players...they all had their shine and made their mark in the nba so its kinda hard to compare kareem to jordan or magic to wilt.. etc. etc. all of these players have their own achievements
You have a good point too. Peace~
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Duh. It had to do with, maybe, him being the tallest in the N.B.A! If Shaq was the only 7 footer playing today, and there was zone defense, he's be just as dominant.
btw there is a zone defense in the nba right now....the NBA installed it for shaq
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Yeah, I misstated... I'm really talking about the three second rule here, throw your opinions on that. peace~
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the 3 second rule dosent really help shaq, it helps players that like to drive to the basket......the 3 second rule is when a player cant stand in the painted area when nobody else is there, otherwise he can..so if shaq is there they can have 4 guys around shaq and a 3 second rule will not be called
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word besides kobe being better......kobe is great....and i think the closest thing to jordan but i doubt he will be as great as jordan......jordan is the man...like i said before he was, is, and will always be considered the greatest.....i just cant see anyone be better than Jordan....if there is then damn :o
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kobe in 10 years will not even be considered one of the top ten of all time....he's a second option on his team...not waisting my time on that one....statistically wilt was the best player....(come one the one year he averaged 50 and 20)...but you have to think...back than there were half as many teams, no three point line and all they did was dump it in to wilt all the time...playoffs were only two rounds two and wilt only won i think one championship and that was when he wasnt even the main option(jerry west was)...jordan is by far the greatest...he was surrounded my medicore players(pippen is so overrated)....and mj elevated his teammates to levels they normally wouldnt have played at...if mj wouldnt have played baseball we would be looking at like 8 straight..in an era where you have four rounds of play offs...
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I gotta say that MJ is tha best basketball player of all time. He has done so many great things. But i believe that by the time Kobe is done with his carrer that he will have that title over Jordan.
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I never understood why people like Kobe so much. To me he's good, but not all that.
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I never understood why people like Kobe so much. To me he's good, but not all that.
word....its only these foolish cali folks lol
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^^^i agree..kobe is nowhere near the best guard in the nba...i could name at least 5 if not 10 guards who are better than him in the nba right now...but you can't really blame those sad peeps who consider kobe the best since out of all guards, he gets the most hype and attention...
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I never understood why people like Kobe so much. To me he's good, but not all that.
word....its only these foolish cali folks lol
its just like that, agree 100%
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LMFAO@the people hating on Kobe...I doubt any of yall even watched a whole Laker game...Kobe is amazing...he gets a triple double almost every other game...That is simply amazing...Now quit hating...PeACe
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every important and albmost every other basketball analyst in the country/world (ex in sacramento lol) will tell you kobe is the best all around player most of which are not in cali.....so there goes all your arguments there guys
kobe has every thing offensively any of these other players (ex shaq) in the NBA have and he has DEFENSE TOO, something that almost every all star lacks , it's either or, the only other guard that has D and O is gary payton.....which should almost be argreed isn't even on the level as kobe, becuase he lacks the intenisty, heart, and will to win (kobe has won 3 straight championships and is INTENT on winning every single one til his death/retirement) while gary payton has been to the finals once and doesn't really care about winning a championship that much any more it's all about the $ and individule accomplishments
kobe has matured RAPIDLY he is now all about his teamates and making them better now
kobe was exalted by EVERY GM in the NBA when the nba polled them
kobe is just simply the man now, after shaq and kobe squashed their beef kobe has prooved his hype, he can do EVERYTHING now , no one in the NBA can do what he does
DUNK
PASS
DRIBBLE
HANDLE
CUT
SHOOT
MAKE SHOTS
CREATE SHOTS
D
MAKE TEAMMATES BETTER
and the only reason why he's the 2nd option on his team is ......LOOOK WHO THE FUCK HE"S PLAYING WITH!!!!!!!! the soon to be if not the already G.O.A.T of all centers......the most dominating player EVER, the most DEMANDING PLAYER ever!!!! SHAQUILLE RASHAD O'NEAL!!!!! allen iverson tracy mcgrady paul pierce would ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLl be averaging 13-15 points a game if they were playing with him. but Kobe has the ability to be 2nd banna for 3 quarters and come into the 4th and be the main option . 1 quarter folks ONE fucking quauter IF THAT! of being the main option and look at his averages. look at his full stat's . DUDE gets rebounds , assists, AND POINTS .
Kobe is a great player playing behind a GOAT folks if he was on the magic or the sixers or raptors his stock would be THAT much greater
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What are you basing that on? Wilt was great, most consecutive games played, never fouled out of 1 game, highest scorer ever, but I would still say Jordan is best all around. I didn't use to think that, until he returned from his retirement and cemented his legacy (the first time). I'd say best ever would be like Jordan, Magic, Bird, Chamberlain, Jabbar, Maravich, in no order.
Tech, u tha homie...but this is stupid dawg lol
Jordan is by far the best player the game has EVER seen. True, its hard to really compare these 2 since wilt and MJ play 2 different positions...but Wilts dominance was a DIRECT result of his size. Jordans wasnt. Not to mention, anybody who playz basketball on here...understandz the way skill level is divided on a basketball court. The taller u are, the less skill u need. Manute Bol neva pulled a crossover lol. Tha way sports go, as time moves on...people always get better. So this needs to be more an argument of "who was better for their time". 30 years from now, there will be a player who is better then Jordan. And all sports go that way. Muhammed Ali was the greatest, however...if u put him against alot of Heavyweights now...he'd lose. And i believe that. Atheletes always get stronger, faster, and quiker...as training techniques improve.
Now, for all of the people who are claiming that the best player of all time, has something to do wit versatility (especially in the stat section) need to remember tha Big O...and put him up for consideration. He was the ultimate point guard. And IMO, the best ever (YES, above MAGIC laker fanz). Who else has, or ever will average a triple double in this league? No one. As unreachable as Wilts 100 points seems...it COULD be done, but to average a triple double for an entire season, i dont think so.
Also, some of yall seem to think it has to do wit who revolutionized the game the most. Yes, Wilt did revolutionize the game VERY much. As much as anyone. But youre still forgetting some people...
One, being Dr J. He was the first...really...to turn the game above the rim (Dominique, Jordan, etc). Pete Marovich, was the first to bring the fancy passing to the game (Magic, etc.). And one person who i was alwayz a HUGE fan of but everyone seemz to overlook....iz Isiah Thomas. He changed the whole way the point guard position was played. IMO, even more then Magic did. Isiah was really the man who brought that flash wit tha handlez that EVERY guard of today triez tah exemplify.
Basically, i believe Jordan iz tha greatest ever. BUT.....its hard to really compare players of all different sizes, positions, and times in history. Theyll never play eachother...and even say, if Jordan, Wilt, and Oscar Robertson were all in the same time...they wouldnt even guard eachother.
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every important and albmost every other basketball analyst in the country/world (ex in sacramento lol) will tell you kobe is the best all around player most of which are not in cali.....so there goes all your arguments there guys
kobe has every thing offensively any of these other players (ex shaq) in the NBA have and he has DEFENSE TOO, something that almost every all star lacks , it's either or, the only other guard that has D and O is gary payton.....which should almost be argreed isn't even on the level as kobe, becuase he lacks the intenisty, heart, and will to win (kobe has won 3 straight championships and is INTENT on winning every single one til his death/retirement) while gary payton has been to the finals once and doesn't really care about winning a championship that much any more it's all about the $ and individule accomplishments
kobe has matured RAPIDLY he is now all about his teamates and making them better now
kobe was exalted by EVERY GM in the NBA when the nba polled them
kobe is just simply the man now, after shaq and kobe squashed their beef kobe has prooved his hype, he can do EVERYTHING now , no one in the NBA can do what he does
DUNK
PASS
DRIBBLE
HANDLE
CUT
SHOOT
MAKE SHOTS
CREATE SHOTS
D
MAKE TEAMMATES BETTER
and the only reason why he's the 2nd option on his team is ......LOOOK WHO THE FUCK HE"S PLAYING WITH!!!!!!!! the soon to be if not the already G.O.A.T of all centers......the most dominating player EVER, the most DEMANDING PLAYER ever!!!! SHAQUILLE RASHAD O'NEAL!!!!! allen iverson tracy mcgrady paul pierce would ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLl be averaging 13-15 points a game if they were playing with him. but Kobe has the ability to be 2nd banna for 3 quarters and come into the 4th and be the main option . 1 quarter folks ONE fucking quauter IF THAT! of being the main option and look at his averages. look at his full stat's . DUDE gets rebounds , assists, AND POINTS .
Kobe is a great player playing behind a GOAT folks if he was on the magic or the sixers or raptors his stock would be THAT much greater
LMAO!!!
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Minority obviously doen't know his basketball... ::)
Stick to chinese soccer buddy...PeACe
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Minority obviously doen't know his basketball... ::)
Stick to chinese soccer buddy...PeACe
no its not that i don't know about basketball...its just that your hero kobe is nowhere near the best guard in the NBA...
p.s. its federal international football association not chinese soccer....lmao
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Minority obviously doen't know his basketball... ::)
Stick to chinese soccer buddy...PeACe
no its not that i don't know about basketball...its just that your hero kobe is nowhere near the best guard in the NBA...
p.s. its federal international football association not chinese soccer....lmao
wow...than I guess u know more than every sports journalist & basketball analyst...U judge Kobe on ESPN highlight plays...come on, let's be real...How many players have as many triple doubles as Kobe?
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i must concede defeat,..yall convinced my ass good...that climax was tone callin me stupid lol....and btw, LOL @ chinese soccer, fuckin dumb ass
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i must concede defeat,..yall convinced my ass good...that climax was tone callin me stupid lol....and btw, LOL @ chinese soccer, fuckin dumb ass
It's sad that people have to resort to personal disses....
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its also sad that a grown man like yourself is on my nuts
and it is sad when someone makes a reference to "chinese soccer" simply because the poster is Korean and likes soccer, that is so ignorant its not even funny, NIK is a piece of shit, and i stand by that comment, an egotistical ignorant upper class snotty piece of shit
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every important and albmost every other basketball analyst in the country/world (ex in sacramento lol) will tell you kobe is the best all around player most of which are not in cali.....so there goes all your arguments there guys
kobe has every thing offensively any of these other players (ex shaq) in the NBA have and he has DEFENSE TOO, something that almost every all star lacks , it's either or, the only other guard that has D and O is gary payton.....which should almost be argreed isn't even on the level as kobe, becuase he lacks the intenisty, heart, and will to win (kobe has won 3 straight championships and is INTENT on winning every single one til his death/retirement) while gary payton has been to the finals once and doesn't really care about winning a championship that much any more it's all about the $ and individule accomplishments
kobe has matured RAPIDLY he is now all about his teamates and making them better now
kobe was exalted by EVERY GM in the NBA when the nba polled them
kobe is just simply the man now, after shaq and kobe squashed their beef kobe has prooved his hype, he can do EVERYTHING now , no one in the NBA can do what he does
DUNK
PASS
DRIBBLE
HANDLE
CUT
SHOOT
MAKE SHOTS
CREATE SHOTS
D
MAKE TEAMMATES BETTER
and the only reason why he's the 2nd option on his team is ......LOOOK WHO THE FUCK HE"S PLAYING WITH!!!!!!!! the soon to be if not the already G.O.A.T of all centers......the most dominating player EVER, the most DEMANDING PLAYER ever!!!! SHAQUILLE RASHAD O'NEAL!!!!! allen iverson tracy mcgrady paul pierce would ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLl be averaging 13-15 points a game if they were playing with him. but Kobe has the ability to be 2nd banna for 3 quarters and come into the 4th and be the main option . 1 quarter folks ONE fucking quauter IF THAT! of being the main option and look at his averages. look at his full stat's . DUDE gets rebounds , assists, AND POINTS .
Kobe is a great player playing behind a GOAT folks if he was on the magic or the sixers or raptors his stock would be THAT much greater
LMAO!!!
wow so you mean to tell me that YOUR insite is more valuable and true than basketball GM's and analysts who've been apart of basketball longer tha you've been alive!? you mean to tell me your opinion is more sacret than someoe who makes basketball their 9-5!?
excuse the fuck outta me then bud!
just wondering , who DO you put above kobe ??
Vince Carter is a nice highlight reel but what else does he do, he sure doesn't pass well, plays horrible d, can't make his teammates better, has a lack of will to win
Tracy Mccgrady is great, but even himself and all of his teammates (including horace grant whose playedwith both players for a year) said Kobe was better
Allen iverson, LOL......he's just a selfish, egotistical, b-ball gangster, who's already been shut down more than once by kobe over the years.....kobe's always been better than this guy, just look at the 97' rookie game if the west won kobe would've been the mvp
jason kidd, best PG in the League but he's just a passer, yeah he can score and shoot but he's not that reliablein those areas, he has good defence but the only thing he has over kobe is passing , Kobe dicks him in every other concievable stat.
Gary Payton- i give gary payton all the props in the world but i already pointed out why kobe is better
those are the best guards in the league ....they only get consecutively worse if you name any one else
and again Jordan is the best player of all time plain and simple
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its also sad that a grown man like yourself is on my nuts
and it is sad when someone makes a reference to "chinese soccer" simply because the poster is Korean and likes soccer, that is so ignorant its not even funny, NIK is a piece of shit, and i stand by that comment, an egotistical ignorant upper class snotty piece of shit
Hey, bearded Afgan...STFU...I said Chinese Soccer on purpose, cuz I know how Asians hate it when people call other types of Asians Chinese...Now go suicide bomb an empty bus...PeACe
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Hey, bearded Afgan...STFU...I said Chinese Soccer on purpose, cuz I know how Asians hate it when people call other types of Asians Chinese...Now go suicide bomb an empty bus...PeACe
LOL
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Minority obviously doen't know his basketball... ::)
Stick to chinese soccer buddy...PeACe
no its not that i don't know about basketball...its just that your hero kobe is nowhere near the best guard in the NBA...
p.s. its federal international football association not chinese soccer....lmao
wow...than I guess u know more than every sports journalist & basketball analyst...U judge Kobe on ESPN highlight plays...come on, let's be real...How many players have as many triple doubles as Kobe?
why do you keep thinking that every sports journalist and basketball analyst thinks kobe is the best?? you think marv albert and bill walton is EVERY sports journalist and basketball analyst??? yeah..these are the same motherfuckers who said danny ainge was an all-star and john stockton and karl malone are champions..lmao and first of alll i don't even have espn...and i've been watching kobe since 1998..
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wow so you mean to tell me that YOUR insite is more valuable and true than basketball GM's and analysts who've been apart of basketball longer tha you've been alive!? you mean to tell me your opinion is more sacret than someoe who makes basketball their 9-5!?
excuse the fuck outta me then bud!
just wondering , who DO you put above kobe ??
Vince Carter is a nice highlight reel but what else does he do, he sure doesn't pass well, plays horrible d, can't make his teammates better, has a lack of will to win
Tracy Mccgrady is great, but even himself and all of his teammates (including horace grant whose playedwith both players for a year) said Kobe was better
Allen iverson, LOL......he's just a selfish, egotistical, b-ball gangster, who's already been shut down more than once by kobe over the years.....kobe's always been better than this guy, just look at the 97' rookie game if the west won kobe would've been the mvp
jason kidd, best PG in the League but he's just a passer, yeah he can score and shoot but he's not that reliablein those areas, he has good defence but the only thing he has over kobe is passing , Kobe dicks him in every other concievable stat.
Gary Payton- i give gary payton all the props in the world but i already pointed out why kobe is better
those are the best guards in the league ....they only get consecutively worse if you name any one else
and again Jordan is the best player of all time plain and simple
to bigfakedoggydogg:
it seems like laker fans go by what other peeps think instead of forming your own opinion on whos the best player,...etc...you just proved that you don't know shit about basketball when you always have reliy on this so called GMs, lmao and stop using that as some sort of excuse to justify your hero kobe that he is the best when knowing that these so called analyst are biased and they are the same spectators just like me and you...use your brain dumbass
but neverthelesss, you proved my point that kobe gets hyped 24/7...but i don't blame no one since he has won championships so he is bound to be hyped up all the time..
who do i think is better than kobe??? for starters payton, mcgrady, AI, kidd who all have led their teams to playoffs and for some even furter by themselves..whiles kobe , he can't even keep his team at .500..and you say he is the best player huh?? lmao..you kids need to learn nba isn't all about spectacular dunks and passes, etc. and btw those are just guards in the nba...don't get me started with all the nba players..
and you damn right jordan is one of the best ever..
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Hey, bearded Afgan...STFU...I said Chinese Soccer on purpose, cuz I know how Asians hate it when people call other types of Asians Chinese...Now go suicide bomb an empty bus...PeACe
Seer'....pleaze tell me u was gettin zooted when u decided tah unban NIK. lol
i dont really gotta personal prollem wit u man, but u do gotta admit...u say sum ignorant shit sumtimes dawg..
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again minority , most journalists , sports writers, Gernal mangagers , players, couches, columnists and fans will tell you that kobe is the best all around player in the league
Kobe Bryant can Shoot the ball
Kobe Bryant is the bet at creating shots
Kobe Bryant is the best Offensive minded player Defensively
Kobe Bryant can pass the ball....EFFECTIVELY
Kobe Bryanyt is the most intense player in the league
and all the other players you seem to think are better than kobe ALL, i repeat ALL have been shut down by him in games
Kobe gets his hype cuz he can and has backed it up
look at all the hype other players have been given.....and look what they've done with it ....nothing but get their teams to the 2nd or 1st round or not even to the playoffs at all, keven garnette can't get to the 2nd round, AI didn't last year either, Baron Davis showed T-mac what was up now huh? jason kidd only got to the finals cuz he was playing in the sorry ass east (where most of your darling guards reside) and look what happened when he met up with the lakers, the sonics.....lol and so on none of these players have prooved anything but individule marrit
i'm sorry you hold up so much resentment and jelously towards the laker organization and any player from there, and i find it so funny that name T-mac ahead of kobe ....when T-mac has already said he's tried to model his game more after KB's LMAO.....oh yeah and everysingle one of those players have put kobe ahead of them too
also your a fool to diss Karl Malone and John Stockton......A FOOL
also i find it funnt that you said i only like kobe becuase he's all dunks and flashy passes when that's ALL your players are good for,LMAO. I hated kobe pre sqaushed beef with shaq that's all hewas doing was being an AI/Vince Carter/ kevin Garnette......but now he's matured beyond belief and made me a fan
i also find it funny you can't give me a structured reason why all your players are better than kobe yet proceed to call me a kid and stupid and resort to person takes like "bigfakedoggydogg"
whatever you so called 'minority' biggot ::)
i'll school you in basketball knowledge any day
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again minority , most journalists , sports writers, Gernal mangagers , players, couches, columnists and fans will tell you that kobe is the best all around player in the league
oh yah i want to add
Michael Jordan
Magic Johnson
Larry Bird
Charles Barkley
Kareem Abdul Jabar
James Worthy
Dominique Wilkins
Lenny Wilkins
Patric Ewing
Dr. J
Don Nelson
Pat Riley
Bill Russle
to the list of people
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again minority , most journalists , sports writers, Gernal mangagers , players, couches, columnists and fans will tell you
lol^^typical start to a Jake argument...
i would agree that Kobe is probably the best 2 guard in the league....but best player, i dunno bout that. ::) lol
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Hey, bearded Afgan...STFU...I said Chinese Soccer on purpose, cuz I know how Asians hate it when people call other types of Asians Chinese...Now go suicide bomb an empty bus...PeACe
Seer'....pleaze tell me u was gettin zooted when u decided tah unban NIK. lol
i dont really gotta personal prollem wit u man, but u do gotta admit...u say sum ignorant shit sumtimes dawg..
LMAO...i pray that this fool is not like this in the real world...
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again minority , most journalists , sports writers, Gernal mangagers , players, couches, columnists and fans will tell you that kobe is the best all around player in the league
Kobe Bryant can Shoot the ball
Kobe Bryant is the bet at creating shots
Kobe Bryant is the best Offensive minded player Defensively
Kobe Bryant can pass the ball....EFFECTIVELY
Kobe Bryanyt is the most intense player in the league
and all the other players you seem to think are better than kobe ALL, i repeat ALL have been shut down by him in games
Kobe gets his hype cuz he can and has backed it up
look at all the hype other players have been given.....and look what they've done with it ....nothing but get their teams to the 2nd or 1st round or not even to the playoffs at all, keven garnette can't get to the 2nd round, AI didn't last year either, Baron Davis showed T-mac what was up now huh? jason kidd only got to the finals cuz he was playing in the sorry ass east (where most of your darling guards reside) and look what happened when he met up with the lakers, the sonics.....lol and so on none of these players have prooved anything but individule marrit
i'm sorry you hold up so much resentment and jelously towards the laker organization and any player from there, and i find it so funny that name T-mac ahead of kobe ....when T-mac has already said he's tried to model his game more after KB's LMAO.....oh yeah and everysingle one of those players have put kobe ahead of them too
also your a fool to diss Karl Malone and John Stockton......A FOOL
also i find it funnt that you said i only like kobe becuase he's all dunks and flashy passes when that's ALL your players are good for,LMAO. I hated kobe pre sqaushed beef with shaq that's all hewas doing was being an AI/Vince Carter/ kevin Garnette......but now he's matured beyond belief and made me a fan
i also find it funny you can't give me a structured reason why all your players are better than kobe yet proceed to call me a kid and stupid and resort to person takes like "bigfakedoggydogg"
whatever you so called 'minority' biggot ::)
i'll school you in basketball knowledge any day
its truly sad...you mean most journalists , sports writers, Gernal mangagers , players, couches, columnists and fans FROM LA will tell you that kobe is the best all around player in the league right?? lmao don't joke!!
yeah i know kobe can shoot, pass the ball and create shots so what your fucking point?? tmac, payton, kidd, AI can do the same if not better
when did kobe shut down any of these players??? please name a game when your hero kobe shut down these players and site a source
kobe gets his hype because he wins championships not cuz he can back it up...lmao..you completely ignored my arguement on how kobe can't even carry a team by himself....and yes your right..at least tmac, AI, kidd, payton can carry their team to the playoffs by himself..you know what i'll forever kiss kobes ass if he can carry his team to the 8th seed of the playoffs by himself...
and you said these players said they model after kobe??? LMAO!!! please don't lie..yes they gave him props..but don't exaggerate like that
and NO..john stockton and karl malone is one of the greatest players that ever played...BUT NOT CHAMPIONS...don't put words in my mouth
and all of my players are only good for dunks and flashy passes?? LMAO!! hmm. lets see...jason kidd AVERAGED A TRIPLE DOUBLE during the conference finals, gary payton at 34(?) can carry his sorry ass team by himself to the playoffs in the WEST..both mcgrady and iverson can score, pass, play defensive, and most importantly, can carry their sorry ass team to the playoffs...which kobe has never done...not alone can't even keep his team at 500..lmao...the truth always hurts...
oh yeah i find it funny how you have to call me a biggot when you don't even know me and try to change subjects cuz you can't give me one good reason why kobe is the best player in the league..well kid...keep hiding behind the screen cuz thats what your good for..
*about to watch AI kill the dallas mavs*
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oh yEAH btw..you will school me on basketball knowledge??? right.....man you sound like a 5th grader...please grow up..you don't even know shit about b-ball thats why you have to reliy on these socalled anaylists cuz you can't form your own opinion ...get a life loser
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^ lol
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its truly sad...you mean most journalists , sports writers, Gernal mangagers , players, couches, columnists and fans FROM LA will tell you that kobe is the best all around player in the league right?? lmao don't joke!!
yeah i know kobe can shoot, pass the ball and create shots so what your fucking point?? tmac, payton, kidd, AI can do the same if not better
when did kobe shut down any of these players??? please name a game when your hero kobe shut down these players and site a source
kobe gets his hype because he wins championships not cuz he can back it up...lmao..you completely ignored my arguement on how kobe can't even carry a team by himself....and yes your right..at least tmac, AI, kidd, payton can carry their team to the playoffs by himself..you know what i'll forever kiss kobes ass if he can carry his team to the 8th seed of the playoffs by himself...
and you said these players said they model after kobe??? LMAO!!! please don't lie..yes they gave him props..but don't exaggerate like that
and NO..john stockton and karl malone is one of the greatest players that ever played...BUT NOT CHAMPIONS...don't put words in my mouth
and all of my players are only good for dunks and flashy passes?? LMAO!! hmm. lets see...jason kidd AVERAGED A TRIPLE DOUBLE during the conference finals, gary payton at 34(?) can carry his sorry ass team by himself to the playoffs in the WEST..both mcgrady and iverson can score, pass, play defensive, and most importantly, can carry their sorry ass team to the playoffs...which kobe has never done...not alone can't even keep his team at 500..lmao...the truth always hurts...
oh yeah i find it funny how you have to call me a biggot when you don't even know me and try to change subjects cuz you can't give me one good reason why kobe is the best player in the league..well kid...keep hiding behind the screen cuz thats what your good for..
*about to watch AI kill the dallas mavs*
great post man... Yo if Kobe is SUCH a better player then all these other guards bigJake is runnin off then how come T-Mac, who I think is better then KOBE (sorry for not being an NBA analyst ::)) then how come....
T-Mac is at 30.4 Points a Game (easily leading the league by almost 4 points)
Kobe is averaging 26.7 (third in the league)
T-Mac is shooting a .468% shooting percentage (his highest ever since he's been in the league)
while Kobe is shooting a .441% shooting percentage (his lowest since his second year in the league 97-98)
T-Mac is shooting 394% from 3 point (once again his highest ever since he's been in the league)
while Kobe is shooting .316 from 3 point...
Blocks per game T-Mac is averaging 1.00
Kobe is at .88 a game...
and you wanna talk about how Kobe can carry his team blah blah thru the playoffs... how come Kobe's points per game goes way down in the playoffs too 20.8, while T-Mac's playoff average is at a steady 28.0?
Anyways, just a few things I wanted to point out to these people that are SO SURE Kobe is the best in the league hands down!, lmao...
Peace
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and you wanna talk about how Kobe can carry his team blah blah thru the playoffs... how come Kobe's points per game goes way down in the playoffs too 20.8, while T-Mac's playoff average is at a steady 28.0?
im tryna figure out who in tha world would say Kobe can carry his team through the playoffs??? He hasnt yet. He hasnt even "carried" them to a winning record this year lol. When Shaq goes out, the Lakers turn into an average team. Seeing as how Kobe is "The Best in the NBA"...its funny that he isnt even the most valuable on his own team lol I actually like Kobe's game...i aint a Laker fan, but i do respect his game. Ive only knocked his attitude in tha past. BUT, in no way is he the best in the league. Maybe he'll become that, but he isnt right now.
BTW yall, u cant argue wit Laker fans about this shit. They sumwhat outta touch with reality sometimes. Theyll tell u, the best player in the league is Kobe, Shaq is the second, Rick Fox is 3rd, Robert Horry 4th......etc...lol. Then again, 90% of Laker fans cant name more then 1 or 2 players on their team. Usually they jus females who like the pretty purple and gold lol
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its truly sad...you mean most journalists , sports writers, Gernal mangagers , players, couches, columnists and fans FROM LA will tell you that kobe is the best all around player in the league right?? lmao don't joke!!
yeah i know kobe can shoot, pass the ball and create shots so what your fucking point?? tmac, payton, kidd, AI can do the same if not better
when did kobe shut down any of these players??? please name a game when your hero kobe shut down these players and site a source
kobe gets his hype because he wins championships not cuz he can back it up...lmao..you completely ignored my arguement on how kobe can't even carry a team by himself....and yes your right..at least tmac, AI, kidd, payton can carry their team to the playoffs by himself..you know what i'll forever kiss kobes ass if he can carry his team to the 8th seed of the playoffs by himself...
and you said these players said they model after kobe??? LMAO!!! please don't lie..yes they gave him props..but don't exaggerate like that
and NO..john stockton and karl malone is one of the greatest players that ever played...BUT NOT CHAMPIONS...don't put words in my mouth
and all of my players are only good for dunks and flashy passes?? LMAO!! hmm. lets see...jason kidd AVERAGED A TRIPLE DOUBLE during the conference finals, gary payton at 34(?) can carry his sorry ass team by himself to the playoffs in the WEST..both mcgrady and iverson can score, pass, play defensive, and most importantly, can carry their sorry ass team to the playoffs...which kobe has never done...not alone can't even keep his team at 500..lmao...the truth always hurts...
oh yeah i find it funny how you have to call me a biggot when you don't even know me and try to change subjects cuz you can't give me one good reason why kobe is the best player in the league..well kid...keep hiding behind the screen cuz thats what your good for..
*about to watch AI kill the dallas mavs*
great post man... Yo if Kobe is SUCH a better player then all these other guards bigJake is runnin off then how come T-Mac, who I think is better then KOBE (sorry for not being an NBA analyst ::)) then how come....
T-Mac is at 30.4 Points a Game (easily leading the league by almost 4 points)
Kobe is averaging 26.7 (third in the league)
T-Mac is shooting a .468% shooting percentage (his highest ever since he's been in the league)
while Kobe is shooting a .441% shooting percentage (his lowest since his second year in the league 97-98)
T-Mac is shooting 394% from 3 point (once again his highest ever since he's been in the league)
while Kobe is shooting .316 from 3 point...
Blocks per game T-Mac is averaging 1.00
Kobe is at .88 a game...
and you wanna talk about how Kobe can carry his team blah blah thru the playoffs... how come Kobe's points per game goes way down in the playoffs too 20.8, while T-Mac's playoff average is at a steady 28.0?
Anyways, just a few things I wanted to point out to these people that are SO SURE Kobe is the best in the league hands down!, lmao...
Peace
easy!
Tmac is the First option on his team, Tmac might have all that but niether him nor his team mates think he's better than kobe. Tmac is the only player as talented as kobe but he lacks the disaplin and the teammanship .....Horace Grant said this and i think he'd know what he is talking about. like i said above if anyone else was playing with shaq they wouldn't be getting the #'s that kobe is getting straight up
Yoa Ming was leading Shaq in a few stats earlier in the season , Does that make him better than Shaq?! lol no! he was getting better stats than Vlade Divac and David Robinson.....is he better than them, HELL FUCKING NO! he's not even the best rookie , Stodimire from Pheonix is right now. Stats don't tell the whole story bud
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its truly sad...you mean most journalists , sports writers, Gernal mangagers , players, couches, columnists and fans FROM LA will tell you that kobe is the best all around player in the league right?? lmao don't joke!!
wow geez i didn't know Dr. Jack Ramsey was based in LA ::)
yeah i know kobe can shoot, pass the ball and create shots so what your fucking point?? tmac, payton, kidd, AI can do the same if not better
ummmmmmm nope, none of them can do ALL of those things
Tmac is a shooter, defense is mediocre and isn't a very effective passer
Kidd is a passer , he can get points here and there but more times than not when he's the leading scorer and not passing his team does't get the W
AI, is a ball hog straight up, he has D .......every 5 games , and his passing is ineffective, Larry Brown and eric snow had to work with him on that as a matter of fact,lol
when did kobe shut down any of these players??? please name a game when your hero kobe shut down these players and site a source
NBA finals 2001 -AI and the laker home game in same year and 2000 against sixers
T-mac-any game between 99-2002, first meet of this year was great both players equaled eachother but Tracy had back probs and knee probs and Kobe had Knee, ankle , elbow and lower leg probs, and Tmac barely played the 2nd meet so i can't count this season
oh yeah kobe isn't my 'hero'......shaq/Magic/Barkley/Moses Malone are
kobe gets his hype because he wins championships not cuz he can back it up...lmao..you completely ignored my arguement on how kobe can't even carry a team by himself....and yes your right..at least tmac, AI, kidd, payton can carry their team to the playoffs by himself..you know what i'll forever kiss kobes ass if he can carry his team to the 8th seed of the playoffs by himself...
you know what the very fact that Kobe has championships
should say it all but since you're too heated i'll explain
like i've said amillion times the Lakers as a WHOLE organization is based around Shaquille O'neals Needs. just like Chicago Based everything around Jordan's. Just like the Celtics did for Russle....just like any Great Main Option gets from his organization. Shaq is the Laker's Crown jewel. even Kobe is a compliment to Shaq, when Jerry west was putting this organization together back in 96' this is what they were doing. Getting Shaq and meeting his needs to get the rings. that's what every GM tries to do. Kobe just rose to superstardome.....when he was traded in the draft they though kobe was going to be the perfect back up to eddie jones , they were going for bench depth. but it turned out he was better than all the shooting guards in the organization (this is what they're doing with kareem rush[depth that is not superstar btw]). SO when Orlando's GM is making moves this season it's all to complement T-mac to make his life better and to make it easy for him to score. in Philly that's what their GM is trying to do make life easier for AI, so he can get the open looks. when NJ's GM makes moves for Jason kidd they're doing it to get players that jason kidd can get to make shots for him. In LA it's all about Shaq and getting his needs , we already saw in 99 and 2000 when they tried to meet BOTH kobe and shaq's demands ,Chaos. And Shaq would NOT have it ! or take then step down to let kobe be the main option and play in a team built around hiiiiim! This is what shaq and kobe were bitching about during their fued. So Kobe had to take the step down and let Shaq take total control of the team, and kobe's time to score is whenever shaq's not (which is not a lot btw lol) and at the end of the 4th quarter. So my answer to you is.......Kobe can't lead his team anywhere cuz he's not the Main guy! the team isn't based around him, he doen't have a cushion like every other superstar in the league! Kobe would anywhere else but he's playing on the same team as the most demanding player in HISTORY
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and you said these players said they model after kobe??? LMAO!!! please don't lie..yes they gave him props..but don't exaggerate like that
i said tmac did and i can site him on that lakers-magic 2001-2002 post game press confrence
something to the effect of
"yeah this team is hard to beat, you got shaq whose a complete monster and Kobe who is a leader and sort of a role modle for players like me"
-Tracy Mcgrady-
and NO..john stockton and karl malone is one of the greatest players that ever played...BUT NOT CHAMPIONS...don't put words in my mouth
actually they are sir, back to back western confrence champions...
and i'd like to know what context that anouncer siad that in aswell
and all of my players are only good for dunks and flashy passes?? LMAO!! hmm. lets see...jason kidd AVERAGED A TRIPLE DOUBLE during the conference finals, gary payton at 34(?) can carry his sorry ass team by himself to the playoffs in the WEST..both mcgrady and iverson can score, pass, play defensive, and most importantly, can carry their sorry ass team to the playoffs...which kobe has never done...not alone can't even keep his team at 500..lmao...the truth always hurts
yeah and kobe probably has the most triple double in the league right now,so what......who won the championship?
yeah , my bad i didn't know that the sonic were sorry.....lol this just shows your ignorance seattle is a damn good team with lots of talent, i love payton !but he's never gotten nowhere in the play offs , 95' they got to the finals true, but it was becuase of shawn kemp, gary payton's game went down like you said kobe's did during that post season. and the sonics almost released GP last season becuase he didn't want to play with his teammates, he wanted to play individual ball, and he siad it himself.
tracy mcgrady has been 2 what 2 playoff's and lost both of the series when they SHOULD've won they SHOULD've beat the sixers but he didn't come through. they COULD"VE beat the hornets last year but didn't becuase he couldn't come through. while he was busy trying to win all the games by himself he was ignoring his teammates resulting in a loss
Jason Kidd coiuldn't even win a playoff series until he was put on a very loaded New Jersey nets team
and like i siad above these players have cushioins they're whole team is based around them and their play.......kobe doesn't have that luxiory.....and if he did it'd be DAMN interesting to see theonly time Kobe has had that is during all those all star games, and i'd pretty much say kobe put alllll those all stars on his back last year , you don't go into an ALLLL STARRRRRR game and do all the stuff kobe did and not be considered above those players.
yeah the lakers are below .500 but we started off in a bad bad way, most of our line up is nursing injuries, kinda hard to win when you're racked up, but hey we're getting back
oh yeah i find it funny how you have to call me a biggot when you don't even know me and try to change subjects cuz you can't give me one good reason why kobe is the best player in the league..well kid...keep hiding behind the screen cuz thats what your good for..
i find it funny how you are quick to diss by calling me big fake and dumb amongst other things about me and havn't even gone into as much detail as me but insist i'm that what you say is the truth when you make ignorant statements like the sonics are a sorry ass team. but hey i'm just glad i'm not as insecure as you and have to diss everyone who disagrees with me so bullegerantly with statements like ^.....
lol^^typical start to a Jake argument...
i would agree that Kobe is probably the best 2 guard in the league....but best player, i dunno bout that. lol
you damn right i start off with the facts
and thank you yes kobe is the best shooting guard in the league
i already know who you think is the best player (Duncan) which i can't hate and is a respectable opinion
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oh yEAH btw..you will school me on basketball knowledge??? right.....man you sound like a 5th grader...please grow up..you don't even know shit about b-ball thats why you have to reliy on these socalled anaylists cuz you can't form your own opinion ...get a life loser
i'd rather form my opinion based around EXPERTS who know more than both me and you (me being the majority of the knowledge btw)
than out of bias ignorance
and yes i will school you on basketball knowledge you probably don't even know basic x and o plays
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*falls asleep while reading Jakes post*
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its truly sad...you mean most journalists , sports writers, Gernal mangagers , players, couches, columnists and fans FROM LA will tell you that kobe is the best all around player in the league right?? lmao don't joke!!
yeah i know kobe can shoot, pass the ball and create shots so what your fucking point?? tmac, payton, kidd, AI can do the same if not better
when did kobe shut down any of these players??? please name a game when your hero kobe shut down these players and site a source
kobe gets his hype because he wins championships not cuz he can back it up...lmao..you completely ignored my arguement on how kobe can't even carry a team by himself....and yes your right..at least tmac, AI, kidd, payton can carry their team to the playoffs by himself..you know what i'll forever kiss kobes ass if he can carry his team to the 8th seed of the playoffs by himself...
and you said these players said they model after kobe??? LMAO!!! please don't lie..yes they gave him props..but don't exaggerate like that
and NO..john stockton and karl malone is one of the greatest players that ever played...BUT NOT CHAMPIONS...don't put words in my mouth
and all of my players are only good for dunks and flashy passes?? LMAO!! hmm. lets see...jason kidd AVERAGED A TRIPLE DOUBLE during the conference finals, gary payton at 34(?) can carry his sorry ass team by himself to the playoffs in the WEST..both mcgrady and iverson can score, pass, play defensive, and most importantly, can carry their sorry ass team to the playoffs...which kobe has never done...not alone can't even keep his team at 500..lmao...the truth always hurts...
oh yeah i find it funny how you have to call me a biggot when you don't even know me and try to change subjects cuz you can't give me one good reason why kobe is the best player in the league..well kid...keep hiding behind the screen cuz thats what your good for..
*about to watch AI kill the dallas mavs*
great post man... Yo if Kobe is SUCH a better player then all these other guards bigJake is runnin off then how come T-Mac, who I think is better then KOBE (sorry for not being an NBA analyst ::)) then how come....
T-Mac is at 30.4 Points a Game (easily leading the league by almost 4 points)
Kobe is averaging 26.7 (third in the league)
T-Mac is shooting a .468% shooting percentage (his highest ever since he's been in the league)
while Kobe is shooting a .441% shooting percentage (his lowest since his second year in the league 97-98)
T-Mac is shooting 394% from 3 point (once again his highest ever since he's been in the league)
while Kobe is shooting .316 from 3 point...
Blocks per game T-Mac is averaging 1.00
Kobe is at .88 a game...
and you wanna talk about how Kobe can carry his team blah blah thru the playoffs... how come Kobe's points per game goes way down in the playoffs too 20.8, while T-Mac's playoff average is at a steady 28.0?
Anyways, just a few things I wanted to point out to these people that are SO SURE Kobe is the best in the league hands down!, lmao...
Peace
easy!
Tmac is the First option on his team, Tmac might have all that but niether him nor his team mates think he's better than kobe. Tmac is the only player as talented as kobe but he lacks the disaplin and the teammanship .....Horace Grant said this and i think he'd know what he is talking about. like i said above if anyone else was playing with shaq they wouldn't be getting the #'s that kobe is getting straight up
Yoa Ming was leading Shaq in a few stats earlier in the season , Does that make him better than Shaq?! lol no! he was getting better stats than Vlade Divac and David Robinson.....is he better than them, HELL FUCKING NO! he's not even the best rookie , Stodimire from Pheonix is right now. Stats don't tell the whole story bud
anybody else that would be playing with shaq wouldn't be putting the # like kobe is???? LMAO....yo first of all, stop contradicting yourself....its you who said stats don't even matter and also you said tmac is talented as kobe...but in the next post you said tmac only has offensive, is not a good passer, and lacks D??? lmao..kid just give up..you don't know jack about basketball..
btw yao ming is the shit....
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wow geez i didn't know Dr. Jack Ramsey was based in LA ::)
ummmmmmm nope, none of them can do ALL of those things
Tmac is a shooter, defense is mediocre and isn't a very effective passer
Kidd is a passer , he can get points here and there but more times than not when he's the leading scorer and not passing his team does't get the W
AI, is a ball hog straight up, he has D .......every 5 games , and his passing is ineffective, Larry Brown and eric snow had to work with him on that as a matter of fact,lol
when did kobe shut down any of these players??? please name a game when your hero kobe shut down these players and site a source
NBA finals 2001 -AI and the laker home game in same year and 2000 against sixers
T-mac-any game between 99-2002, first meet of this year was great both players equaled eachother but Tracy had back probs and knee probs and Kobe had Knee, ankle , elbow and lower leg probs, and Tmac barely played the 2nd meet so i can't count this season
oh yeah kobe isn't my 'hero'......shaq/Magic/Barkley/Moses Malone are
you know what the very fact that Kobe has championships
should say it all but since you're too heated i'll explain
like i've said amillion times the Lakers as a WHOLE organization is based around Shaquille O'neals Needs. just like Chicago Based everything around Jordan's. Just like the Celtics did for Russle....just like any Great Main Option gets from his organization. Shaq is the Laker's Crown jewel. even Kobe is a compliment to Shaq, when Jerry west was putting this organization together back in 96' this is what they were doing. Getting Shaq and meeting his needs to get the rings. that's what every GM tries to do. Kobe just rose to superstardome.....when he was traded in the draft they though kobe was going to be the perfect back up to eddie jones , they were going for bench depth. but it turned out he was better than all the shooting guards in the organization (this is what they're doing with kareem rush[depth that is not superstar btw]). SO when Orlando's GM is making moves this season it's all to complement T-mac to make his life better and to make it easy for him to score. in Philly that's what their GM is trying to do make life easier for AI, so he can get the open looks. when NJ's GM makes moves for Jason kidd they're doing it to get players that jason kidd can get to make shots for him. In LA it's all about Shaq and getting his needs , we already saw in 99 and 2000 when they tried to meet BOTH kobe and shaq's demands ,Chaos. And Shaq would NOT have it ! or take then step down to let kobe be the main option and play in a team built around hiiiiim! This is what shaq and kobe were bitching about during their fued. So Kobe had to take the step down and let Shaq take total control of the team, and kobe's time to score is whenever shaq's not (which is not a lot btw lol) and at the end of the 4th quarter. So my answer to you is.......Kobe can't lead his team anywhere cuz he's not the Main guy! the team isn't based around him, he doen't have a cushion like every other superstar in the league! Kobe would anywhere else but he's playing on the same team as the most demanding player in HISTORY
ummmm no actually the players i mentioned above CAN do those things..you obviously haven't read my post..i'm not about to write all that shit again..
AI got shut down in the 2001 finals? by kobe?? LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OMG that was the funniest thing i've ever read...you either are seriously ignorant or got kobe's dick in ya mouth....just cuz the sixers lost..doesn't mean AI got shut down when 4 out of the 5 final games that he played he had a superb game....except for game 3 i think.....and when in 2000 did AI got shut down??? like i said come with a source....
youre right about kobe vs tmac though...every time they played they were injured or not playing...
just by how you talk about kobe...everybody gets the impression that kobe is your hero lmao
and yes kobe gets his hype from winning championships....its not that hard to figure out amigo..and LMAO at your excuse on why kobe can't led his team by himself....i'll put it like this...kobe has good role players, best coaching staff, probably about the same as what what jkidd, tmac, AI, GP has...i mean what more can you ask for??? face it man kobe is not better than these 4 players...i'm not saying he is whack...he is def good but not better..i mean if kobe is soo good like you say...he shouldn't be the 2nd option and he should at least be carrying his team when shaq is injured..but he can never do that..
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i said tmac did and i can site him on that lakers-magic 2001-2002 post game press confrence
something to the effect of
"yeah this team is hard to beat, you got shaq whose a complete monster and Kobe who is a leader and sort of a role modle for players like me"
-Tracy Mcgrady-
actually they are sir, back to back western confrence champions...
and i'd like to know what context that anouncer siad that in aswell
yeah and kobe probably has the most triple double in the league right now,so what......who won the championship?
yeah , my bad i didn't know that the sonic were sorry.....lol this just shows your ignorance seattle is a damn good team with lots of talent, i love payton !but he's never gotten nowhere in the play offs , 95' they got to the finals true, but it was becuase of shawn kemp, gary payton's game went down like you said kobe's did during that post season. and the sonics almost released GP last season becuase he didn't want to play with his teammates, he wanted to play individual ball, and he siad it himself.
tracy mcgrady has been 2 what 2 playoff's and lost both of the series when they SHOULD've won they SHOULD've beat the sixers but he didn't come through. they COULD"VE beat the hornets last year but didn't becuase he couldn't come through. while he was busy trying to win all the games by himself he was ignoring his teammates resulting in a loss
Jason Kidd coiuldn't even win a playoff series until he was put on a very loaded New Jersey nets team
and like i siad above these players have cushioins they're whole team is based around them and their play.......kobe doesn't have that luxiory.....and if he did it'd be DAMN interesting to see theonly time Kobe has had that is during all those all star games, and i'd pretty much say kobe put alllll those all stars on his back last year , you don't go into an ALLLL STARRRRRR game and do all the stuff kobe did and not be considered above those players.
yeah the lakers are below .500 but we started off in a bad bad way, most of our line up is nursing injuries, kinda hard to win when you're racked up, but hey we're getting back
r..
i find it funny how you are quick to diss by calling me big fake and dumb amongst other things about me and havn't even gone into as much detail as me but insist i'm that what you say is the truth when you make ignorant statements like the sonics are a sorry ass team. but hey i'm just glad i'm not as insecure as you and have to diss everyone who disagrees with me so bullegerantly with statements like ^.....
like i said before i'm not about to believe a laker fan cuz they have the tendency to lie..please give me a source and i'll believe that tmac actually said this
western conference champions??? lmao...i mean nba champions..it was marv albert(your another hero) and doug collins who has said stockton and malone were champions btw
kobe wins championships cuz he has shaq..plain and simple
sonics are sorry as fuck who they have lewis?? berry?? mason??lmao come on man.....in 2-3 years sonic could be a good team but not now..
btw orlando magic played BUCKS not SIXERS in the playoffs..lmao...i'm sorry for keep exposing your ignorance but i have no choice...
jkidd when he was with the suns he still managed to led them to the playoffs...
my fucking point is that they proven they are better than kobe cuz they have something kobe doesn't have..leadership and carrying their team on their backs...and how the fuck they have cushions when since they are the main options for their team....when they lose...all the blame is on them..its called pressure....face the facts....and oh yeah ball hogging 90% of the time during the all-star game to get 31 points doesn't make you the best....
and trust me, ain't nobody dissed you...calling you bigfake cuz you know i always refer you to that and youre the one who calls me biggot so whatever....another contradiction by bigfakedoggydogg... :-\
me insecure?? umm actually i'm having the time of my life...while you go on to this message board and calls people biggot, hypocrite, etc. etc. ...maybe its time for you to look in the mirror...i know i know...its hard since your uglyer than krs-one and have a million pimples but you gotta..
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oh yEAH btw..you will school me on basketball knowledge??? right.....man you sound like a 5th grader...please grow up..you don't even know shit about b-ball thats why you have to reliy on these socalled anaylists cuz you can't form your own opinion ...get a life loser
i'd rather form my opinion based around EXPERTS who know more than both me and you (me being the majority of the knowledge btw)
than out of bias ignorance
and yes i will school you on basketball knowledge you probably don't even know basic x and o plays
i'd rather have my own opinion instead of being a sellout listening to these biased and so called experts you claim them to be when all they fucking talk about is the fucking lakers...lol..thats all they fucking know it seems...and how would you know if they have more knowledge than me??? just cuz they on TV with about 3000 pages of information they read off during games???? dude shut the fuck up...
and once again you sound like a 5th grader...man please don't waste your life like this
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its truly sad...you mean most journalists , sports writers, Gernal mangagers , players, couches, columnists and fans FROM LA will tell you that kobe is the best all around player in the league right?? lmao don't joke!!
yeah i know kobe can shoot, pass the ball and create shots so what your fucking point?? tmac, payton, kidd, AI can do the same if not better
when did kobe shut down any of these players??? please name a game when your hero kobe shut down these players and site a source
kobe gets his hype because he wins championships not cuz he can back it up...lmao..you completely ignored my arguement on how kobe can't even carry a team by himself....and yes your right..at least tmac, AI, kidd, payton can carry their team to the playoffs by himself..you know what i'll forever kiss kobes ass if he can carry his team to the 8th seed of the playoffs by himself...
and you said these players said they model after kobe??? LMAO!!! please don't lie..yes they gave him props..but don't exaggerate like that
and NO..john stockton and karl malone is one of the greatest players that ever played...BUT NOT CHAMPIONS...don't put words in my mouth
and all of my players are only good for dunks and flashy passes?? LMAO!! hmm. lets see...jason kidd AVERAGED A TRIPLE DOUBLE during the conference finals, gary payton at 34(?) can carry his sorry ass team by himself to the playoffs in the WEST..both mcgrady and iverson can score, pass, play defensive, and most importantly, can carry their sorry ass team to the playoffs...which kobe has never done...not alone can't even keep his team at 500..lmao...the truth always hurts...
oh yeah i find it funny how you have to call me a biggot when you don't even know me and try to change subjects cuz you can't give me one good reason why kobe is the best player in the league..well kid...keep hiding behind the screen cuz thats what your good for..
*about to watch AI kill the dallas mavs*
great post man... Yo if Kobe is SUCH a better player then all these other guards bigJake is runnin off then how come T-Mac, who I think is better then KOBE (sorry for not being an NBA analyst ::)) then how come....
T-Mac is at 30.4 Points a Game (easily leading the league by almost 4 points)
Kobe is averaging 26.7 (third in the league)
T-Mac is shooting a .468% shooting percentage (his highest ever since he's been in the league)
while Kobe is shooting a .441% shooting percentage (his lowest since his second year in the league 97-98)
T-Mac is shooting 394% from 3 point (once again his highest ever since he's been in the league)
while Kobe is shooting .316 from 3 point...
Blocks per game T-Mac is averaging 1.00
Kobe is at .88 a game...
and you wanna talk about how Kobe can carry his team blah blah thru the playoffs... how come Kobe's points per game goes way down in the playoffs too 20.8, while T-Mac's playoff average is at a steady 28.0?
Anyways, just a few things I wanted to point out to these people that are SO SURE Kobe is the best in the league hands down!, lmao...
Peace
easy!
Tmac is the First option on his team, Tmac might have all that but niether him nor his team mates think he's better than kobe. Tmac is the only player as talented as kobe but he lacks the disaplin and the teammanship .....Horace Grant said this and i think he'd know what he is talking about. like i said above if anyone else was playing with shaq they wouldn't be getting the #'s that kobe is getting straight up
Yoa Ming was leading Shaq in a few stats earlier in the season , Does that make him better than Shaq?! lol no! he was getting better stats than Vlade Divac and David Robinson.....is he better than them, HELL FUCKING NO! he's not even the best rookie , Stodimire from Pheonix is right now. Stats don't tell the whole story bud
easy?... man how the hell does McGrady being the first option change his shooting %, 3 Point %? there both better then Kobe's and that has NOTHING to do with first option bullshit... and also McGrady having mediocre defense? LMAO!, Jake you gotta be kidding me bro... PLEASE tell me which "Expert" says McGrady's D is Mediocre?... and which teammate's of McGrady say Kobe's better then McGrady? I find it hard to believe that someone ON Mcgrady's team would bring down there star player and say Kobe's the better player...holla back
Peace
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Kobe is a better shooter than McGrady
Kobe is a better defender than McGrady
Kobe is a better rebounder than Mcgrady
Kobe has a better Free Throw percentage than Mcgrady
Kobe averages more assists than Mcgrady
Kobe averages more steals than McGrady
Kobe makes the players around him better
Kobe is just a way better all around player...
Bottem line...How many Triple Doubles does McGrady have this year?
P.S...Oh yea, McGrady led his team to the playoofs allll alone, right?...Bullshit, Orlando were making the playoffs a year before McGrady got signed...Close your fuckin mouth bitch ass muthafuckaz...PeACe
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Kobe is a better shooter than McGrady
Kobe is a better defender than McGrady
Kobe is a better rebounder than Mcgrady
Kobe has a better Free Throw percentage than Mcgrady
Kobe averages more assists than Mcgrady
Kobe averages more steals than McGrady
Kobe makes the players around him better
Kobe is just a way better all around player...
Bottem line...How many Triple Doubles does McGrady have this year?
P.S...Oh yea, McGrady led his team to the playoofs allll alone, right?...Bullshit, Orlando were making the playoffs a year before McGrady got signed...Close your fuckin mouth bitch ass muthafuckaz...PeACe
LMFAO!... shut the fuck up NIK and don't come in here and take it to that level of "bitch ass muthafuckaz" we were having a fuckin decent conversation without personal disses and shit... and Kobe is a better shooter then McGrady? how PLEASE EXPLAIN HOW... does the stats I posted earler go unnoticed? im sorry but they simply prove Kobe is not a better shooter... and better defender!? how? please explain why he's a better defender... or better yet get one of your "experts" opinions on why he's the better defender...and im pretty sure McGrady makes his teammates better also... if you read what some of these "experts" say then you would know they ALL say McGrady is a VERY unselfish player...bottom line is no matter what your going to think kobe's better cause your a Kobe fan and a lakers fan...
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easy?... man how the hell does McGrady being the first option change his shooting %, 3 Point %? there both better then Kobe's and that has NOTHING to do with first option bullshit... and also McGrady having mediocre defense? LMAO!, Jake you gotta be kidding me bro... PLEASE tell me which "Expert" says McGrady's D is Mediocre?... and which teammate's of McGrady say Kobe's better then McGrady? I find it hard to believe that someone ON Mcgrady's team would bring down there star player and say Kobe's the better player...holla back
Peace
ignores ignorant chink and answers smooth
go to NBA.com
they had a whole article on KOBE VS MCGrady around the same time as their first meet, they made it seem like a draw but they pointed out a lot of stuff that made sense.
They interviewed horoce grant and he said that , and i think they got both kobe and mcgrady to answer (not sure though cuz i'm there's another article i'm thinking of too that was on espn.com) but anyways yeah, Horoce Grant would know if anyone, i think he's the only player to play with both of them and make a fair statement
also on the D thing they (nba.com and nbc too) did a whole matchup thing with Vince Carter and Tracy MCgrady and they both had "marginal D" as one of their simularities.....i know this isn't very persuasive argument but also on the 99-2003 NBA lives tracy mcgrady's D isn't that high
and as far as bringing down the star player.....teammates do itall the time,lol
AI did it to his coach and visa versa
Oakly called out Vince Carter, and a few players were pissed at him for going to his college graduation on the same day as game 7 of the E Cong Finals
someone on the Nets (kittles i believe) criticized Marbury
Brian grant got called out on the heat
the whole laker organization was pissed off on and off at kobe for a few years
Rasheed Wallace
and yadda yadda yadda
it's done all the time to motivate and critique a player to do better, most ...no ALL coaches do this
and MCgrady being the first option has everything to do with his stats
1) the whole team is basically built around his needs as the first option so it's easier to do his job. The Laker's do this for Shaq, not kobe
2) Tmac has 3.5-4 quarters that he has the ball go soley through him. when the point guard calls a play more times than not it's for Tmac. Shaq gets this on the lakers (not right now cuz they're slowly moving him though the triangle which is also strong with a center like shaq) so most of the shots go to him....no kobe, kobe is only the main option when shaq is resting on the bench or in the 4th quarter ...........Tmac 4 quarters......Kobe 1 you do the math
Until Kobe is on a team that is built around him (not shaq)
Until Kobe is the team's first option for a whole season
you can't compare their stats
perfect exaple is Tmac himself when he was in Toronto.....the raptors are and were Carter based while he was there, and Mcgrady was just in the back ground, and it's no question (IMO at least) that Tmac was the better of the 2 cousins, but this was Vinces team! Mcgrady had to proove himself on another team which he did.
another spin off
North Carolina with Anton Jamison and Vince Carter. During that draft it was alllllll about Anton Jamison the "NCAA PLAYER OF THE YEAR" ....UNC was alllllll about Anton Jamison and vince was great but he was just living in the shadow........guess who was the better player
see you can't compare stats unless you got an even playing field
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ignores ignorant chink and answers smooth
like i said keep on hiding behind that screen ...and don't forget who started this shit....
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lol yeah you, Dre2001 board......LMAO
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lol yeah you, Dre2001 board......LMAO
so you still have a grudge against something that happened 2 and a half years ago???? when you damn well know i was playing around and i even apologized??? it looks like your not playing though...like i said keep on hiding behind that screen...
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whatever, i'm not going to feed your hunger to ease your insecurities no more
you reap what you sew
and btw the only other people i'm responding to is people like smooth who are more reasonabe ad have a cooler head than you
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whatever, i'm not going to feed your hunger to ease your insecurities no more
you reap what you sew
and btw the only other people i'm responding to is people like smooth who are more reasonabe ad have a cooler head than you
i truly don't think i'm the one with the insecurities here..your the one thats calling people racial slurs and other names....
you can't respond to me cuz you know i'm too real
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::ignores instigator and waits for a response from smooth::
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::ignores instigator and waits for a response from smooth::
gosh..i love this guy..
instigator = incite
please take a good look in the mirror
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easy?... man how the hell does McGrady being the first option change his shooting %, 3 Point %? there both better then Kobe's and that has NOTHING to do with first option bullshit... and also McGrady having mediocre defense? LMAO!, Jake you gotta be kidding me bro... PLEASE tell me which "Expert" says McGrady's D is Mediocre?... and which teammate's of McGrady say Kobe's better then McGrady? I find it hard to believe that someone ON Mcgrady's team would bring down there star player and say Kobe's the better player...holla back
Peace
ignores ignorant chink and answers smooth
go to NBA.com
they had a whole article on KOBE VS MCGrady around the same time as their first meet, they made it seem like a draw but they pointed out a lot of stuff that made sense.
They interviewed horoce grant and he said that , and i think they got both kobe and mcgrady to answer (not sure though cuz i'm there's another article i'm thinking of too that was on espn.com) but anyways yeah, Horoce Grant would know if anyone, i think he's the only player to play with both of them and make a fair statement
also on the D thing they (nba.com and nbc too) did a whole matchup thing with Vince Carter and Tracy MCgrady and they both had "marginal D" as one of their simularities.....i know this isn't very persuasive argument but also on the 99-2003 NBA lives tracy mcgrady's D isn't that high
and as far as bringing down the star player.....teammates do itall the time,lol
AI did it to his coach and visa versa
Oakly called out Vince Carter, and a few players were pissed at him for going to his college graduation on the same day as game 7 of the E Cong Finals
someone on the Nets (kittles i believe) criticized Marbury
Brian grant got called out on the heat
the whole laker organization was pissed off on and off at kobe for a few years
Rasheed Wallace
and yadda yadda yadda
it's done all the time to motivate and critique a player to do better, most ...no ALL coaches do this
and MCgrady being the first option has everything to do with his stats
1) the whole team is basically built around his needs as the first option so it's easier to do his job. The Laker's do this for Shaq, not kobe
2) Tmac has 3.5-4 quarters that he has the ball go soley through him. when the point guard calls a play more times than not it's for Tmac. Shaq gets this on the lakers (not right now cuz they're slowly moving him though the triangle which is also strong with a center like shaq) so most of the shots go to him....no kobe, kobe is only the main option when shaq is resting on the bench or in the 4th quarter ...........Tmac 4 quarters......Kobe 1 you do the math
Until Kobe is on a team that is built around him (not shaq)
Until Kobe is the team's first option for a whole season
you can't compare their stats
perfect exaple is Tmac himself when he was in Toronto.....the raptors are and were Carter based while he was there, and Mcgrady was just in the back ground, and it's no question (IMO at least) that Tmac was the better of the 2 cousins, but this was Vinces team! Mcgrady had to proove himself on another team which he did.
another spin off
North Carolina with Anton Jamison and Vince Carter. During that draft it was alllllll about Anton Jamison the "NCAA PLAYER OF THE YEAR" ....UNC was alllllll about Anton Jamison and vince was great but he was just living in the shadow........guess who was the better player
see you can't compare stats unless you got an even playing field
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it wouldn't let me post it all in 1 post^^^^
Alright Jake you definitly got some good points there... especially with that McGrady Carter thing... I totally agree that McGrady was the better cousin... and your right he did have to prove himself on a new team because the Ratoprs were Vince's team and built around Vince...and as for the star player thing thanks for stating some examples I had somewhat forgot about most of them but they refresh my memory now...
also I was taking into effect that McGrady had Hill playing with him so that might have brought the amount of looks he would get down... but still, I do see what your saying about the lakers and how there team is built around Shaq... that definitly does limit Kobe a lot more as to what he can do offensively... BUT the one thing I still stand on is that no matter who the team is built around... if McGrady is hitting more shots % wise then Kobe, then he's hitting more shots... cause I don't think anything else can really play into that?... and as for the defense IMO they are BOTH well above average defenders and usually give whoever there covering nightmares... holla...
Peace
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it's alll good
see...now THIS is how people should Debate
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hmmmm... there is 2 things that should not be mixed with bigfake = music and basketball
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Kobe will be the greatest player at the end of his career...
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Minority obviously doen't know his basketball... ::)
Stick to chinese soccer buddy...PeACe
no its not that i don't know about basketball...its just that your hero kobe is nowhere near the best guard in the NBA...
p.s. its federal international football association not chinese soccer....lmao
wow...than I guess u know more than every sports journalist & basketball analyst...U judge Kobe on ESPN highlight plays...come on, let's be real...How many players have as many triple doubles as Kobe?
At least one jason kidd
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Minority obviously doen't know his basketball... ::)
Stick to chinese soccer buddy...PeACe
no its not that i don't know about basketball...its just that your hero kobe is nowhere near the best guard in the NBA...
p.s. its federal international football association not chinese soccer....lmao
wow...than I guess u know more than every sports journalist & basketball analyst...U judge Kobe on ESPN highlight plays...come on, let's be real...How many players have as many triple doubles as Kobe?
At least one jason kidd
I bet Kidd has at least 3x more triple doubles then Kobe, is he better hell no, but he got a ton more triple doubles no doubt
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years later
kobe is still best player in the league
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Dude, they didn't make a song called: "Like Wilt", Jordan is the definition of the game, he was great all throughout his career, he LED his teams to 6 NBA Championships, And for the record, I believe Shaq was more dominant than Wilt, Wilt played against nobodys, Shaq played against, Hakeem, Patrick Ewing, Barkley, David Robinson, & Tim Duncan, he was the most dominant against damn good big men,name that many Hall of Fame players against Wilt.
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Oh yeah Kobe will be the best of all time when his career is finished...
i agree witht u. and thatn sot just the jello shots anb barcaridik talkng!
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LOL @ mrceo..You ignorant son of a bitch...
Shaq has never been name to a 1st team all-defense
He's never led the NBA in Rebounds or block shots..
He's only led the NBA in scoring 1 time.
He won't finish his career in the top 5 all-time in Blocks Per Game, Rebounds per game...total blocks, & total rebounds.
It Took a great player like kobe for his monkey ass to win championships...Shak's never been clutch..
Am i missing anything ??? ..the guy is the most over-rated player in NBA History...Yeah he's great but people are always saying (including shaq himself) that he's the MDE(most dominate Ever) <-------- :laugh: :laugh: ::) fuckin idiots.
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years later
kobe is still best player in the league
Kobe will be the greatest player at the end of his career...
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LOL @ mrceo..You ignorant son of a bitch...
Shaq has never been name to a 1st team all-defense
He's never led the NBA in Rebounds or block shots..
He's only led the NBA in scoring 1 time.
He won't finish his career in the top 5 all-time in Blocks Per Game, Rebounds per game...total blocks, & total rebounds.
It Took a great player like kobe for his monkey ass to win championships...Shak's never been clutch..
Am i missing anything ??? ..the guy is the most over-rated player in NBA History...Yeah he's great but people are always saying (including shaq himself) that he's the MDE(most dominate Ever) <-------- :laugh: :laugh: ::) fuckin idiots.
That doesn't prove my point on Wilt playing against nobodys, Shaq's early career shits all over Wilt, and The Diesel was playing against bad asses at center
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LOL @ mrceo..You ignorant son of a bitch...
Shaq has never been name to a 1st team all-defense
He's never led the NBA in Rebounds or block shots..
He's only led the NBA in scoring 1 time.
He won't finish his career in the top 5 all-time in Blocks Per Game, Rebounds per game...total blocks, & total rebounds.
It Took a great player like kobe for his monkey ass to win championships...Shak's never been clutch..
Am i missing anything ??? ..the guy is the most over-rated player in NBA History...Yeah he's great but people are always saying (including shaq himself) that he's the MDE(most dominate Ever) <-------- :laugh: :laugh: ::) fuckin idiots.
That doesn't prove my point on Wilt playing against nobodys, Shaq's early career shits all over Wilt, and The Diesel was playing against bad asses at center
Bill Russel was a nobody?
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LOL @ mrceo..You ignorant son of a bitch...
Shaq has never been name to a 1st team all-defense
He's never led the NBA in Rebounds or block shots..
He's only led the NBA in scoring 1 time.
He won't finish his career in the top 5 all-time in Blocks Per Game, Rebounds per game...total blocks, & total rebounds.
It Took a great player like kobe for his monkey ass to win championships...Shak's never been clutch..
Am i missing anything ??? ..the guy is the most over-rated player in NBA History...Yeah he's great but people are always saying (including shaq himself) that he's the MDE(most dominate Ever) <-------- :laugh: :laugh: ::) fuckin idiots.
That doesn't prove my point on Wilt playing against nobodys, Shaq's early career shits all over Wilt, and The Diesel was playing against bad asses at center
Bill Russel was a nobody?
I know lmao, these kids need to respect their elders. Bill Russel was as great as any big man ever
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Dude, they didn't make a song called: "Like Wilt", Jordan is the definition of the game, he was great all throughout his career, he LED his teams to 6 NBA Championships, And for the record, I believe Shaq was more dominant than Wilt, Wilt played against nobodys, Shaq played against, Hakeem, Patrick Ewing, Barkley, David Robinson, & Tim Duncan, he was the most dominant against damn good big men,name that many Hall of Fame players against Wilt.
get off shaq's dick.
Wilt Chamberlain, Oscar Robertson, Magic Johnson > Michel Jordan
Kobe Bryant, Karl Malone = Michael Jordan
by the end of his career, Kobe is gonna be on that list with Wilt, Oscar and Magic
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LOL @ mrceo..You ignorant son of a bitch...
Shaq has never been name to a 1st team all-defense
He's never led the NBA in Rebounds or block shots..
He's only led the NBA in scoring 1 time.
He won't finish his career in the top 5 all-time in Blocks Per Game, Rebounds per game...total blocks, & total rebounds.
It Took a great player like kobe for his monkey ass to win championships...Shak's never been clutch..
Am i missing anything ??? ..the guy is the most over-rated player in NBA History...Yeah he's great but people are always saying (including shaq himself) that he's the MDE(most dominate Ever) <-------- :laugh: :laugh: ::) fuckin idiots.
That doesn't prove my point on Wilt playing against nobodys, Shaq's early career shits all over Wilt, and The Diesel was playing against bad asses at center
Bill Russel was a nobody?
I know lmao, these kids need to respect their elders. Bill Russel was as great as any big man ever
Kids? I'm probably older than you are, and you named one player, I agree Bill Russell is great, he's better than Wilt also, and Baby G, you are crazy saying Magic, Wilt, and Oscar Robertson are better than Jordan, numbers don't mean everything, and get off Kobe's dick bitch, Kobe=Jordan, hahahaha
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Baby G, you are crazy saying Magic, Wilt, and Oscar Robertson are better than Jordan, numbers don't mean everything, and get off Kobe's dick bitch, Kobe=Jordan, hahahaha
They are all better than Jordan. And Kobe can do anything Jordan could (and in some cases do it better). Only problem is, Kobe never got a fair chance to prove that due to a certain cry baby on his team. The last 2 seasons are kind of like Kobe's first and second season. Once the Lakers finally get their team complete Kobe is gonna get a couple more rings.
Till then, enjoy this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJcLTPiZdV0
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Baby G, you are crazy saying Magic, Wilt, and Oscar Robertson are better than Jordan, numbers don't mean everything, and get off Kobe's dick bitch, Kobe=Jordan, hahahaha
They are all better than Jordan. And Kobe can do anything Jordan could (and in some cases do it better). Only problem is, Kobe never got a fair chance to prove that due to a certain cry baby on his team. The last 2 seasons are kind of like Kobe's first and second season. Once the Lakers finally get their team complete Kobe is gonna get a couple more rings.
Till then, enjoy this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJcLTPiZdV0
STATS! stats arent evertying if so DAN MARINO IS THE GOAT OF NFL QBS! And Peyton Manning is better then Tom Brady....JORDAN IS THE GOAT, i dont even have to prove my point....JORDAN enuff said
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Jordan was a product of the NBA...Now they're tryna do it with Wade...If Kobe was in Wade's shoes, we'd have a new undisputed GOAT.
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Even tho Wilt has crazy stats and records, I cant credit him with GOAT status because most of the time he was playing against undersized crappy white guys. In todays game, there is no way Wilt would have even come close to putting up those numbers.
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Jordan was a product of the NBA...Now they're tryna do it with Wade...If Kobe was in Wade's shoes, we'd have a new undisputed GOAT.
in all fairness kobe was in wades shoes a few years ago. his beefs with shaq and his rape trial took that media darling status away.
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Jordan was a product of the NBA...Now they're tryna do it with Wade...If Kobe was in Wade's shoes, we'd have a new undisputed GOAT.
in all fairness kobe was in wades shoes a few years ago. his beefs with shaq and his rape trial took that media darling status away.
Sorry, Kobe was always hated...Never on Wade status league-wise, especially since Wade undisputedly is the leader of the Heat...PeACe
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Jordan was a product of the NBA...Now they're tryna do it with Wade...If Kobe was in Wade's shoes, we'd have a new undisputed GOAT.
in all fairness kobe was in wades shoes a few years ago. his beefs with shaq and his rape trial took that media darling status away.
Sorry, Kobe was always hated...Never on Wade status league-wise, especially since Wade undisputedly is the leader of the Heat...PeACe
Hell yeah don't act like Kobe was loved. Even tho he had McDonalds & Sprite commercials he always got hatted on. And he NEVER got as many calls as Wade got. He still doesn't get as many calls as Wade gets today.
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Even tho Wilt has crazy stats and records, I cant credit him with GOAT status because most of the time he was playing against undersized crappy white guys. In todays game, there is no way Wilt would have even come close to putting up those numbers.
I agree. Wilt was the most "Dominant" player of all time...for his era. But The difference between him and Jordan is that you could put Jordan in todays era, and he'd STILL be the best player in the NBA. Wilt wouldnt.
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you could put Jordan in todays era, and he'd STILL be the best player in the NBA.
I don't know about that one...
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you could put Jordan in todays era, and he'd STILL be the best player in the NBA. Wilt wouldnt.
I guess you're forgetting about Jordan's 2nd comeback with the Wizards? Didn't Kobe knock down a mere 55 points against his squad? The teacher became the student that night ;D
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you could put Jordan in todays era, and he'd STILL be the best player in the NBA. Wilt wouldnt.
I guess you're forgetting about Jordan's 2nd comeback with the Wizards? Didn't Kobe knock down a mere 55 points against his squad? The teacher became the student that night ;D
umm, "2nd comeback". I didnt say you could bring back Jordan NOW and he'd be the best, i meant you could bring back Jordan from his prime...and he'd still (without a doubt) be the best player in the league. Im pretty sure Ali would get destroyed in the ring right now lol. That doesnt mean Ali from his prime wouldnt still be the best Heavyweight today...and thats an even further timespan.
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you could put Jordan in todays era, and he'd STILL be the best player in the NBA. Wilt wouldnt.
I guess you're forgetting about Jordan's 2nd comeback with the Wizards? Didn't Kobe knock down a mere 55 points against his squad? The teacher became the student that night ;D
umm, "2nd comeback". I didnt say you could bring back Jordan NOW and he'd be the best, i meant you could bring back Jordan from his prime...and he'd still (without a doubt) be the best player in the league. Im pretty sure Ali would get destroyed in the ring right now lol. That doesnt mean Ali from his prime wouldnt still be the best Heavyweight today...and thats an even further timespan.
Kobe would DEFINITELY give him a run for his money...PeACe
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kobe and jordan would probably be in the same class i think, the only thing i think jordan would have on kobe would be better leadership skills
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Kobe would DEFINITELY give him a run for his money...PeACe
Hope your joking... Once again KOBE is the best player in the league right now, but he's not even close to MJ in his prime.
Their something missing in Kobe's game compare to MJ's one in his prime!!!! Maybe it's the hart or the desire to win... Kobe has it, but not has much has Michael!!!!
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Maybe it's the hart or the desire to win..
Shut your ignorant ass up!
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[Shut your ignorant ass up!/quote]
Truth hurts...
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It must suck been a sheep, huh?
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no kobe and jordan have the same heart and will to win
saying otherwise kills all arguments against him really
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LOL@will to win, leadership, heart...I'm sick of all this sheep shit...How 'bout we go to facts instead of opinions...Kobe can do everything Jordan could do, only Kobe has much better range and a consistant outside shot...PeACe
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Kinda hard to pick a g.o.a.t when the game has changed so much. Like comparing apples..........to different types of apples, lol.
MJ has always been a fav. only because he was the mantis when I was younger and following the game.
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people who remember jordan in this kobe era are going to stick to jordan because that's who they grew up with, same with old dudes who remembered watching dr. j and oscar robinson during the jordan era.
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Kobe would DEFINITELY give him a run for his money...PeACe
Hope your joking... Once again KOBE is the best player in the league right now, but he's not even close to MJ in his prime.
Their something missing in Kobe's game compare to MJ's one in his prime!!!! Maybe it's the hart or the desire to win... Kobe has it, but not has much has Michael!!!!
Well since Kobe is just reaching his prime, we can discuss this later...
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are u dum did u forget about Oscar Robinson the guy averaged a fckin triple double..Oscar and Wilt were both good but they ddint play with competition even as close tot he competition that MJ played with in his era..
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people who remember jordan in this kobe era are going to stick to jordan because that's who they grew up with, same with old dudes who remembered watching dr. j and oscar robinson during the jordan era.
maybe, but i was never a Jordan "fan" and its still pretty obvious that he was the greatest ever. He was NEVER my favorite player in the league.