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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: DeeezNuuuts83 on December 22, 2010, 04:15:49 PM
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Any thoughts?
A lot of people online are talking shit about being disappointed, but they said the same thing when it was announced that Pacquiao was going to fight Margarito. Mosley's getting old, but he's no slouch. Hopkins is even older and he still put up a solid fight, even though he got put on his ass a couple of times.
But really, what were people expecting? Obviously Mayweather wasn't going to fight this time around. Marquez is a much less recognizable name and has only fought once above lightweight and wasn't handling the weight that well, plus at this stage in their careers (and Manny's), Marquez won't really be more challenging than Mosley. Berto is even less recognizable (though I wouldn't mind seeing that fight, especially once Berto gets more popular after some bigger fights), though I appreciate how his camp took the news of Mosley having been selected, as they were saying that it made sense to them why Mosley was chosen while acknowledging that Berto is still relatively young and unknown, though they were hopeful of their time coming soon. I can't say the same about Marquez and them, who has been spouting that "Marquez Beat Pacquiao Twice" bullshit, asking for far too much money (not just compared to Shane but also relative to what his name will do for the fight financially) and for suggesting that Pacquiao fight Berto next solely because of Mosley's now shaky relationship with Golden Boy.
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Kind of sucks cus for years Mosley was my favorite fighter. Obviously Berto would be a better matchup. But Bob Arums job is as a promoter. His job is to make the fight that will get the most PPV Buys and tickets sold. Berto wouldnt do that. And Mayweather just isnt happening. So I cant blame Arum for makin this fight happen. Should be interesting. It seems like Manny as of late has been taking on fighters that Mayweather has beat (or ducked, Margarito), and is one-upping him. Mayweather gets by De La Hoya, Manny crushes him. Mayweather gets TKO in the tenth against Hatton, Manny crushes Hatton by KO in the second. Mayweather has always ducked Margarito, Manny destroys him. Mayweather beat Mosley by decision....now Manny is taking him on. If he keeps up his trend, he is taking every fighter Mayweather beats...and beating them worse. Maybe to prove a point?
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^ Yup. People can say what they want about Pacquiao taking mostly Mayweather's sloppy seconds, but check it out:
De La Hoya - Mayweather won by split decision, while Pacquiao TKO'd him in 8
Hatton - Mayweather won by KO in 10, while Pacquiao KO's him in 2 (with easily one of the greatest KOs of the past decade)
Cotto - Mayweather didn't fight him, while Pacquiao TKO'd him in 12
Clottey - I'll keep it real, this one doesn't really matter much
Margarito - Mayweather dodged him to fight Baldomir instead for the same money, while Pacquiao won by UD
Mayweather did beat Marquez easily, but let's not forget that he was forcing him to move up two weight classes while also not honoring the catchweight. Had Pacquiao been facing Marquez instead this coming May, rest assured, Marquez would not go the distance. Mayweather did also slap around Mosley (who really did just give up after the second round) while saying that since Mosley also beat Margarito (ignoring what may have been going through Margarito's head that night) who beat Cotto (ignoring that Margarito's gloves may have been loaded that fight too), that makes him better than all of them, but he ignores the fact that Cotto beat Mosley by UD. Pacquiao's at least willing to be the king of the mountain by beating everyone instead of the guy who beat the guy who beat the guy.
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Not really proving a good point
-Mayweather beat a younger De La Hoya at his best weight 154 compared to 147 and with gloves that De La Hoya wanted
-Mayweather set the blueprint for Hatton
-Mayweather vs Mosley and the events after is going exactly how Mayweather predicted it before even choosing to fight Mosley. He was "ducking" Mosley, then when he shuts him down people will say "Oh he's too told etc". It's been a lose-lose situation from the start, and now Pac is going to "prove" he's better than Mayweather by beating a 1 year older Mosley? NAAAA
If Mayweather ducked Margarito, then what Pac is doing is even worse. Mayweather actually fought the WBC champ instead of the Margarito fight. There IS money with Pac vs Berto. There is TONS of money with Pac vs Martinez/JMM.
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I'm not watching anymore fights with both of these clowns until they either face each other or fight Sergio Martinez.
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boxing succs now
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Not really proving a good point
-Mayweather beat a younger De La Hoya at his best weight 154 compared to 147 and with gloves that De La Hoya wanted
-Mayweather set the blueprint for Hatton
-Mayweather vs Mosley and the events after is going exactly how Mayweather predicted it before even choosing to fight Mosley. He was "ducking" Mosley, then when he shuts him down people will say "Oh he's too told etc". It's been a lose-lose situation from the start, and now Pac is going to "prove" he's better than Mayweather by beating a 1 year older Mosley? NAAAA
If Mayweather ducked Margarito, then what Pac is doing is even worse. Mayweather actually fought the WBC champ instead of the Margarito fight. There IS money with Pac vs Berto. There is TONS of money with Pac vs Martinez/JMM.
Manny doesnt really have to prove he is better than Mayweather, as Mayweather has now been ducking Pacquiao. Im not even saying Manny is doing it on purpose. But from a fans perspective Im seeing Manny take on the same opponents and beat them far easier than Mayweather could. If De La Hoya was shot, he was shot well before fighting Mayweather and you might not remember, but De La Hoya was actually controlling that fight early when he was jabbing. He stopped jabbing, and was done. Manny dominated him from beginning to end. Nobody has ever seen De La Hoya take a beating like that. There was no blueprint to beating Hatton. Every good trainer out there could come up with a blue print to beat him. Really, every good trainer can come up with a blue print to beating any fighter. Its just that you cant always carry out that blue print. Both Mayweather and Pacquiao did it. Pacquiao just did it far better. And the reason things are going the way Mayweather predicted is because it is the truth lol. He was ducking Mosley forever, and took the fight when he was older. You really think Mosley after a year is completely spent...but wasnt against Mayweather? LOL. If Manny beats up Mosley then he will outdo Mayweather.
And how is it worse? You think there is as much money in a Pac vs Berto fight as there is in Pac vs Mosley??? lol. I like Berto, and he is good. Better than Mosley at this point. But no one outside of the educated boxing world knows who he is! A fight against JMM is kind of silly at this point. For one Manny will crush him now. For two, what could it prove at this point? It would be one thing if the first two fights were split. Then a 3rd fight SHOULD happen. But they werent. And Martinez isnt willing to drop far enough in weight...and Im pretty sure Pacquiao's camp said they didnt want to take on another much bigger fighter like that. People have gotten spoiled by Pacquiao fighting these giants, that they want him to keep taking on big guys...forgetting that this isnt normal for boxing.
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-Mayweather ducking Pac? Please. Arum's recent stunt during the fight negotiations has really stuck I guess. The fight was ready to go, but Pacquiao felt he was gonna get drained from a drop of blood LMAO. Then Arum pulled off the stunt where it was their terms and the deadline was on a night. Motherfucker even held a press conference.
-Mayweather ducking Mosley is a lot of BS. Mayweather was ready for a fight with Mosley, but Mosley decided to take a vacation.
-Yeah, I clearly remember when Mayweather took out Oscar's jab. There is no other boxer better right now that can make in ring adjustments as good as Floyd.
-Last I remember, Mosley was fighting the winner of the 1st Contender and it was a draw on non PPV HBO, he's not the same draw anymore. He peaked vs Margarito. Pacquiao can face anybody, and it will bring in ratings. So yeah, might as well choose a decent fight.
-Blueprint was still set by Floyd himself. This dude doesn't need a trainer to tell him how to approach the match.
-Pac himself isn't normal for boxing, for going up so much in weight and being so powerful. If he's juiced or not, I don't really care. At this point he's a comfortable welterweight. We all know he can handle a fight vs a 154 pounder.
-Pac will crush JMM, but he won't crush Mosley? This is the same argument Floyd fans were making with Cotto and Margarito. Obviously there is a class difference between Floyd and Cotto and Margarito, but people still said he was ducking them. But now, it's okay to say "nah he can't fight JMM cuz he will crush him"
-And another point to add, two different styles of boxers. Of course one will look automatically look better doing it. That's why no point is being proved with these fights.
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-Mayweather ducking Pac? Please. Arum's recent stunt during the fight negotiations has really stuck I guess. The fight was ready to go, but Pacquiao felt he was gonna get drained from a drop of blood LMAO. Then Arum pulled off the stunt where it was their terms and the deadline was on a night. Motherfucker even held a press conference.
-Mayweather ducking Mosley is a lot of BS. Mayweather was ready for a fight with Mosley, but Mosley decided to take a vacation.
-Yeah, I clearly remember when Mayweather took out Oscar's jab. There is no other boxer better right now that can make in ring adjustments as good as Floyd.
-Last I remember, Mosley was fighting the winner of the 1st Contender and it was a draw on non PPV HBO, he's not the same draw anymore. He peaked vs Margarito. Pacquiao can face anybody, and it will bring in ratings. So yeah, might as well choose a decent fight.
-Blueprint was still set by Floyd himself. This dude doesn't need a trainer to tell him how to approach the match.
-Pac himself isn't normal for boxing, for going up so much in weight and being so powerful. If he's juiced or not, I don't really care. At this point he's a comfortable welterweight. We all know he can handle a fight vs a 154 pounder.
-Pac will crush JMM, but he won't crush Mosley? This is the same argument Floyd fans were making with Cotto and Margarito. Obviously there is a class difference between Floyd and Cotto and Margarito, but people still said he was ducking them. But now, it's okay to say "nah he can't fight JMM cuz he will crush him"
-And another point to add, two different styles of boxers. Of course one will look automatically look better doing it. That's why no point is being proved with these fights.
You are way too much of a Mayweather fan man
And the entire world, ESPN, everyone is of the opinion that Floyd is ducking Pacquiao except for a few blind Mayweather fans. Pacquiao had those beliefs about giving blood right before a fight far before the Mayweather fight was even dreamt up. Mayweather tried to use that to his advantage to avoid the fight. What Pacquiao agreed to was more than reasonable the first time. He did not want to give blood the 3 weeks before the fight, but would give blood before that...AND immediately following the fight. If Mayweather wanted the fight at that point he would have accepeted. It would prove Manny wasnt on anything during training, and prove nothing was in his system on fight night. The second fight Manny agreed to all of Floyds terms. Floyd still ignored it...instead he went on vacation to Puerto Rico to visit Cotto lol. The deadline means nothing. Arum gave the deadline, but didnt say they would NOT take a fight with Floyd after the deadline. He simply said that they would have to move on and negotiate with other fighters if Floyd didnt agree by the deadline. Prior to that, they were ONLY negotiating with Floyds people. Floyds people who lied and said there were never negotiations..even though HBO had come forward and said there was.
And everyone knows of Mayweathers ducking of fighters in their prime man. He never wanted to take a fight with Mosley when Mosley was in his prime. Oh well, I dont really give a shit. But Mosley in his prime would have KO'd Mayweather without a doubt. And we all know about Mayweather ducking Margarito...he has been ducking him for years.
Again, the blueprint was already out there. Mayweather just was the first to do it. Pacquiao and Mayweather didnt fight the same fight. They never would. Hatton is just easy to hit, and Pacquiao is a more aggressive fighter with much more power. So he crushed Hatton.
The difference with JMM is that they have already faught, twice. It isnt just the fact that Manny will crush him. Its the fact that they have faught twice and the fights werent split. Whats the point? I love trilogies, but when the first two fights are split and you have a rubber match.
People say Floyd was ducking Margarito because he was a strong chinned fighter with a high work rate who can make you look ugly in a fight. Mayweather didnt think it was worth the risk.
You are in the minority now man with the defense of Floyd. Again like I said, Throughout his whole career I was a bigtime Floyd Mayweather fan. I love him IN the ring. Sure, I wish he was a little more agressive and had more power. But I love a great boxer. But he has disappointed me so much with this shit. He has completely showed himself to be a strait up pussy. Maybe he is just smart, but a pussy nonetheless. Floyd knows he is ONLY a big draw because he is undefeated and people dont like him. Manny can lose, even to him, and people will stay pay to watch his fights. People dont pay to watch Floyd fight...they pay to watch him lose. People just want to see someone kick the shit out of him. So the minute he loses, he wont draw shit. Not to mention there goes his perfect record which is ALL he has to argue himself as the greatest. He doesnt seem to realize that all of the greatest fighters have losses. What makes a fighter great is how they captivate the crowd and overcome adversity. Not just handpicking opponents and beating them. He claims to be all about the money, but wont take the fight that will earn him the biggest payday he has or will ever see in his life. He will make more off the Pacquiao fight then 3 fights combines. Not to mention, the rematch. And if we are lucky...a third fight. They could make the greatest (or one of) boxing trilogy ever. But Floyd is too busy ducking, making excuses, going on vacation, and beating up his babies mama.
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All I can say is time will tell, because at this rate Pac is losing a lot of fans. Floyd agreed to Top Rank's ridiculous terms of getting fined 10 million dollars for every LB over 147, but they couldn't handle the drug testing. It is what it is, we're not going to move away from our arguments, all there is left to it is that time will tell.
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I thought Mayweather was in jail anyways?
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All I can say is time will tell, because at this rate Pac is losing a lot of fans. Floyd agreed to Top Rank's ridiculous terms of getting fined 10 million dollars for every LB over 147, but they couldn't handle the drug testing. It is what it is, we're not going to move away from our arguments, all there is left to it is that time will tell.
Yeah, hopefully. I doubt Floyd will ever take the fight. And once again, Manny agreed to the drug testing terms Floyd asked for. Floyd just still didnt take the fight. Like I said, its pretty clear amongst the boxing world that Floyd has been ducking him.
From ESPN's P4P rankings....Floyd Mayweather
"Where do we even begin? He simply refuses to fight Pacquiao, which would easily be the biggest money fight in boxing history. It's the fight the whole world wants to see, and it isn't happening because of Mayweather. He appears more interested in not risking his unblemished record than challenging himself against the best. Outside the ring, he's a train wreck. He spent the night in jail recently after being arrested on a charge of battery. He also faces eight charges, including four felony charges, in another case against him as part of an alleged domestic incident. At this rate, the fight with Pacquiao doesn't look as though it will ever happen, which would be a shame for the fighters and fans."
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I thought Mayweather was in jail anyways?
Mayweather spent the night in jail. He is dealing with legal issues right now. But he refused to fight Pacquiao prior to the legal troubles and even after Pacquiao agreed to his terms. Like I said, Ive always liked Mayweather. He is a great boxer. But its clear he wants nothing to do with Pacquiao. Its a shame too, because Mayweather would get more respect from the boxing world with a loss to Pacquiao...than he will with a win against anyone else.
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Mosley is a dangerous fighter who seems to put on his best performances when he is the underdog. This sounds like it could be a good one.
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All I can say is time will tell, because at this rate Pac is losing a lot of fans. Floyd agreed to Top Rank's ridiculous terms of getting fined 10 million dollars for every LB over 147, but they couldn't handle the drug testing. It is what it is, we're not going to move away from our arguments, all there is left to it is that time will tell.
But Pacquiao “losing” fans isn't really his fault. Any opponent other than Mayweather is a disappointment to the boxing world, but that's on Mayweather too, who is probably losing even more fans. I didn't expect people to be thrilled with the Clottey and Margarito fights, but he at least gave the fans something with one of those two fights putting him at a huge disadvantage. You can say what you want about Margarito, but the fact that he came in weighing 17 pounds more than Pacquiao on fight night says a lot, but him still getting beat the fuck up says even more. I'd say it's much more impressive to do that (while collecting another belt in an unprecidented eighth weight division) than for him to have fought Marquez again.
Look at the terms of the first round of negotiations from an unbiased view, examining facts:
Did Top Rank include a $10 million fine for Mayweather for every pound over the welterweight limit of 147? Yes.
Has Mayweather always been at or below the weight limit for a fight? No, he went beyond the agreed catchweight of 144 pounds against Marquez.
Has Mayweather ever had a problem of weighing in at the 147 pound limit? No, as even against De La Hoya at super welterweight/junior middleweight, he only weighed in at 150, four pounds below the next division's weight limit.
It's just extra insurance to ensure that Mayweather doesn't come over the welterweight limit (not a catchweight) seeing how he obviously had an issue once at weigh-ins, though making 147 generally isn't a problem for him to begin with, so it shouldn't matter much to him anyway. But on the other hand:
Did Golden Boy (on Mayweather's behalf) request additional drug tests beyond what is required by the state athletic commissions of Nevada, California, Texas, New York or any other state that hosts big boxing matches? Yes.
Has Pacquiao ever failed a drug test? No.
Have any of the Mayweathers or anyone from Golden Boy presented any evidence that Pacquiao is on PEDs? No.
Have any of the Mayweathers or anyone from Golden Boy presented any evidence showing that urine tests are insufficient? No.
Besides, who cares if Pacquiao doesn't want to take blood tests? He doesn't and shouldn't have to, especially considering he's passed every urine test. People can talk about him not wanting to have blood drawn because he feels it weakens him, but let him have his superstitions. There are athletes in other sports who wear the same pair of socks all season and all sorts of other ridiculous things that they do (or don't do).
But that doesn't really matter anyway since in the second round of negotiations, Pacquiao agreed to blood testing anyway. So stop blaming Pacquiao for fights that you think are lackluster. Have your favorite boxer man up and just fight him, if you don't want to see Pacquiao fight Mosley and didn't want to see Pacquiao fight Clottey and Margarito. It's ironic that a guy who calls himself “Money Mayweather” and claims to be the greatest boxer of all time is turning down a guarantee of $50 million (which would be his biggest purse ever) along with the opportunity to at least make an argument to support his claim by taking on a fight with someone else who has made his own argument, if not a stronger one, for why he's a candidate for being the greatest boxer of all time.
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Mosley is a dangerous fighter who seems to put on his best performances when he is the underdog. This sounds like it could be a good one.
^this. Manny better hope that right hand of Mosley loss some of it's sting from the Mayweather fight and is more Mora then Margarito. If not, Manny might go to sleep. For as many punches as he throws he takes quite a few also (see Marquez fight, also Erik Morales)
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Mosley is a dangerous fighter who seems to put on his best performances when he is the underdog. This sounds like it could be a good one.
^this. Manny better hope that right hand of Mosley loss some of it's sting from the Mayweather fight and is more Mora then Margarito. If not, Manny might go to sleep. For as many punches as he throws he takes quite a few also (see Marquez fight, also Erik Morales)
Yeah, Manny will have fight a very smart fight. Mosley, P4P, is one of the most powerful punchers....I would say...ever. He rocked Mayweather in their fight, but then stopped punching after that. The reason he could never get off on Mayweather after the big punch was he started looking for the KO with one big shot rather than throwing combinations. You cant do that with Mayweather or he will make you look bad. But at one point in his career, Mosley had the highest KO percentage of any champion in history when he was 38-0 with 35 KO's. Crazy.
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All I can say is time will tell, because at this rate Pac is losing a lot of fans. Floyd agreed to Top Rank's ridiculous terms of getting fined 10 million dollars for every LB over 147, but they couldn't handle the drug testing. It is what it is, we're not going to move away from our arguments, all there is left to it is that time will tell.
But Pacquiao “losing” fans isn't really his fault. Any opponent other than Mayweather is a disappointment to the boxing world, but that's on Mayweather too, who is probably losing even more fans. I didn't expect people to be thrilled with the Clottey and Margarito fights, but he at least gave the fans something with one of those two fights putting him at a huge disadvantage. You can say what you want about Margarito, but the fact that he came in weighing 17 pounds more than Pacquiao on fight night says a lot, but him still getting beat the fuck up says even more. I'd say it's much more impressive to do that (while collecting another belt in an unprecidented eighth weight division) than for him to have fought Marquez again.
Like I said, people have come to expect too much from Pacquiao. If he doesnt fight Mayweather...or Klichko, then its a weak fight lol. Educated boxing fans know about Margarito and Clottey. These are two fighters that have historically been ducked by other big name fighters. Not because they are just scared. But because they are dangerous fighters who can make you look very bad in the ring and the risk outweighs the reward. Clottey is a fighter who simply cannot be hurt. His defense is very good and he has a steel chin. Same reason no one ever wanted to fight Winky Wright, but Clottey was a much better offensive fighter than Winky. IMO Pacquiao was his only REAL defeat (and he said it himself too). He did lose to Margarito, so it is fair. But he was dominating Margarito until he hurt his hand. After that he could only paw with that hand and had to fight one-handed. His loss to Carlos Baldomir was bullshit. He was the better fighter that night and gets DQ'd for a low blow when there was never even a warning before that point. And with Cotto, I still think he beat Cotto. But at the time, Cotto was hot...and boxing politics will not allow an African fighter with not a huge following to take down the next big Puerto Rican star (at the time) by decision. Only uneducated fans were discrediting Clottey. Paul Williams was ducking him, shit, No one wanted to see this guy.
As for Margarito, we all know how much he was ducked. By Floyd as well. Like I said, these are bigger guys who typically taking shots from much bigger fighters than Pacquiao...and delivering punches on much bigger fighters than Pacquiao. People arent realizing that what he is doing is insane for boxing. Nothing we have seen in our lifetime. He should technically be taking on smaller guys (his size) and just destroying them ala Mike Tyson in his prime. But at least he is doing something a little more interesting and taking on bigger men. It does create more drama for the fight because u realize this bigger fighter might be able to drop him if they get the chance. But there has to be a limit.
Either way. Pussy ass Mayweather needs to get in the ring. Like I said before, he can earn more respect by losing to Pacquiao than he has earned his entire career. People would at least say he had the heart to get in the ring. Mayweather can say he is all about the money, but he is walking away from the biggest payday of his career (by far). He can say he is the best, but he is walking away from the fight that could prove it (because no one thinks he is the best anymore). He could be involved in one of the biggest fights in boxing history, and win, lose or draw...it will help his legacy. Unless he gets completely destroyed...but I dont see that happening.
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Where is this fight planned to go down? I know Mosley has fought quite a few times in LA so if that's where they're doing it, I might rob a bank so I can get some decent nosebleed seats for $500 a pop.
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Mosley is a dangerous fighter who seems to put on his best performances when he is the underdog. This sounds like it could be a good one.
^this. Manny better hope that right hand of Mosley loss some of it's sting from the Mayweather fight and is more Mora then Margarito. If not, Manny might go to sleep. For as many punches as he throws he takes quite a few also (see Marquez fight, also Erik Morales)
Yeah, Manny will have fight a very smart fight. Mosley, P4P, is one of the most powerful punchers....I would say...ever. He rocked Mayweather in their fight, but then stopped punching after that. The reason he could never get off on Mayweather after the big punch was he started looking for the KO with one big shot rather than throwing combinations. You cant do that with Mayweather or he will make you look bad. But at one point in his career, Mosley had the highest KO percentage of any champion in history when he was 38-0 with 35 KO's. Crazy.
And Manny's defense is not half as good as Floyd's so Shane will have alot more opportunites to hit him and hit him often. Sitck and move, stick and move
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Where is this fight planned to go down? I know Mosley has fought quite a few times in LA so if that's where they're doing it, I might rob a bank so I can get some decent nosebleed seats for $500 a pop.
MGM in Vegas... Manny's first time back there since he fought Cotto in November 2009.
And Manny's defense is not half as good as Floyd's so Shane will have alot more opportunites to hit him and hit him often. Sitck and move, stick and move
But Floyd's offense isn't half as good as Pacquiao's. Shane might have more opportunities to hit Manny than he did against Floyd, but he will also get hit much more than he got hit against Floyd, and rest assured they'll be harder punches. Also, while Floyd was landing clean, effective punches, none of them were really hurting Shane that much... he was just getting beat to the punch and wasn't quick enough to dodge. But if he was huffing and puffing like that dodging Floyd's low punch output (and I do think he wasted a lot of energy with his upper body movement in the earlier rounds), how tired do you think he'll be trying to dodge five-punch combos thrown back to back to back, especially when the punches that connect are the kind that have been putting people to the mat (i.e. Marquez, Diaz, Hatton and Cotto) or turning people's faces into ground beef (i.e. Diaz, De La Hoya, Cotto and Margarito)?
Also, Mayweather would've been put on his ass if he hadn't grabbed onto Shane's arm the way he did in the second round. He knew he was in trouble, especially when you notice that he had switched from his normal position to having both hands protecting his face toward the end of that round. Luckily for him, Mosley ran out of gas and basically gave the fight away. And don't forget that even Cotto scored a UD victory against a younger Mosley.
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I was reading that Arum suggested that Marquez (who has no credibility yet at welterweight) should fight Berto (who has no credibility yet as a winner against a big-name fighter), and that the winner would be a legitimate contender for Pacquiao's next fight. I think that's fair.
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I was reading that Arum suggested that Marquez (who has no credibility yet at welterweight) should fight Berto (who has no credibility yet as a winner against a big-name fighter), and that the winner would be a legitimate contender for Pacquiao's next fight. I think that's fair.
I like that idea, but Arum isnt in control of that happening anyways. I like Berto alot. I think the only problem with him is that he doesnt have the name recognition yet. In the boxing world he is known. But thats about it. Fuckin Floyd...it sucks that we are even talking about this shit lol. We should be talking about the upcoming Pacquiao/Mayweather fight...and possible rematch...and possible rubber match, etc.
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Where is this fight planned to go down? I know Mosley has fought quite a few times in LA so if that's where they're doing it, I might rob a bank so I can get some decent nosebleed seats for $500 a pop.
MGM in Vegas... Manny's first time back there since he fought Cotto in November 2009.
And Manny's defense is not half as good as Floyd's so Shane will have alot more opportunites to hit him and hit him often. Sitck and move, stick and move
But Floyd's offense isn't half as good as Pacquiao's. Shane might have more opportunities to hit Manny than he did against Floyd, but he will also get hit much more than he got hit against Floyd, and rest assured they'll be harder punches. Also, while Floyd was landing clean, effective punches, none of them were really hurting Shane that much... he was just getting beat to the punch and wasn't quick enough to dodge. But if he was huffing and puffing like that dodging Floyd's low punch output (and I do think he wasted a lot of energy with his upper body movement in the earlier rounds), how tired do you think he'll be trying to dodge five-punch combos thrown back to back to back, especially when the punches that connect are the kind that have been putting people to the mat (i.e. Marquez, Diaz, Hatton and Cotto) or turning people's faces into ground beef (i.e. Diaz, De La Hoya, Cotto and Margarito)?
Also, Mayweather would've been put on his ass if he hadn't grabbed onto Shane's arm the way he did in the second round. He knew he was in trouble, especially when you notice that he had switched from his normal position to having both hands protecting his face toward the end of that round. Luckily for him, Mosley ran out of gas and basically gave the fight away. And don't forget that even Cotto scored a UD victory against a younger Mosley.
Oh I have no doubt Floyd's offense is as good as Manny. I think Manny's offense at times is overrated due to the actual punch output he has. The reason you wont see Floyd open it up and let his hands go is because he is a defensive fighter by nature 1st and foremost. He will not put himself in a position to be countered by being offensive. Like it or not that's him. But look no further than the Gotti fight to see his combos and offense on display.
And he did have Mosley hurt a couple times in that fight in the later rounds. Maybe if he did let his hands go a lil bit more he would have possibly got a stoppage. I think if Shane picks his spots against Manny, he has the speed and definitely the power to knock Manny on his ass and steal the fight. Question is can he be the young Shane 1 more time.
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I like that idea, but Arum isnt in control of that happening anyways. I like Berto alot. I think the only problem with him is that he doesnt have the name recognition yet. In the boxing world he is known. But thats about it. Fuckin Floyd...it sucks that we are even talking about this shit lol. We should be talking about the upcoming Pacquiao/Mayweather fight...and possible rematch...and possible rubber match, etc.
True, but it was just a suggestion by Arum, one that makes sense. If Berto wins, he'll get more name recognition by having beaten a ranking pound-for-pound boxer, one that Pacquiao had trouble with in years past. If Marquez wins, he'll prove that he can be competitive in the welterweight division. Regardless of who would win in such a fight, the credibility that either fighter would get by coming out with a victory would generate more of a buzz for a fight with Pacquiao compared to if they had fought him instead of Mosley.
But yes, we shouldn't have to be having this discussion, if Floyd would've just accepted the fight from the get-go, haha.
Oh I have no doubt Floyd's offense is as good as Manny. I think Manny's offense at times is overrated due to the actual punch output he has. The reason you wont see Floyd open it up and let his hands go is because he is a defensive fighter by nature 1st and foremost. He will not put himself in a position to be countered by being offensive. Like it or not that's him. But look no further than the Gotti fight to see his combos and offense on display.
But there's no actual proof that Floyd's offense is as good as Manny's. If it were, he'd have a better KO percentage instead of just winning by points as often as he does. If you compare every common opponent they've had, Manny has typically won more convincingly or at least beat them up worse. A win is a win, but very rarely does Mayweather make any bold statements with his victories anymore. The Gatti fight was over five years ago, so that doesn't really say much about his offense now, especially when you look at how much less aggressive Mayweather has become in recent years. Five years ago, Manny got smacked around by Morales. Four years ago, he KO'd him twice. And in the past two years, he's been beating up welterweights. Fighters change, sometimes for the better and sometimes for the worse.
And he did have Mosley hurt a couple times in that fight in the later rounds. Maybe if he did let his hands go a lil bit more he would have possibly got a stoppage. I think if Shane picks his spots against Manny, he has the speed and definitely the power to knock Manny on his ass and steal the fight. Question is can he be the young Shane 1 more time.
Mayweather could've also had a stoppage against a much smaller, slower Marquez. But he didn't, and it wasn't because he was putting Marquez's well-being in his list of priorities. But I agree with you about Mosley possibly being a big problem, if he can bring his A-game.