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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: OG Hack Wilson on December 27, 2010, 07:33:02 PM
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1-Patriots
2-Falcons (gonna win that #1 seed)
3-Saints
4-Eagles (Regardless of game tuesday)
5-Steelers
6-Ravens
7-Jets
8-Colts
9-Chiefs
10-Bears (yuck...they're so lucky they got those 2 free wins vs detroit thanks to the refs)
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If the Saints play the Eagles it'll be in Philly, so no way are the Saints ahead of Philly in a cold weather game. And sorry, but you're Jets look like the bottom of the barrel as far as playoff teams go. You didn't even mention the Packers who were a few bad snaps away from beating you're #1 Pats, with the back up QB.
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If the Saints play the Eagles it'll be in Philly, so no way are the Saints ahead of Philly in a cold weather game. And sorry, but you're Jets look like the bottom of the barrel as far as playoff teams go. You didn't even mention the Packers who were a few bad snaps away from beating you're #1 Pats, with the back up QB.
that's because the PAtriots have no secondary and the Pack matched up against them well regardless of who was at QB. with that said, they still lost because of something that was their fault.
unlike the Bears, who got two lucky ref calls
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If the Saints play the Eagles it'll be in Philly, so no way are the Saints ahead of Philly in a cold weather game. And sorry, but you're Jets look like the bottom of the barrel as far as playoff teams go. You didn't even mention the Packers who were a few bad snaps away from beating you're #1 Pats, with the back up QB.
that's because the PAtriots have no secondary and the Pack matched up against them well regardless of who was at QB. with that said, they still lost because of something that was their fault.
unlike the Bears, who got two lucky ref calls
Sorry, but they win that game if Rodgers plays. Yeah, I'm the don't put it all on the QB guy on this forum, but when one QB is a top 5 guy on the bench and the other is on his first start, and you still just barely lose, you deserve a spot over the Jets.
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a top 5 QB????
you can say top 10 QB but better than Manning/Brady/Vick/Brees/Big Ben?
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a top 5 QB????
you can say top 10 QB but better than Manning/Brady/Vick/Brees/Big Ben?
Brady would die in Green Bay, while Rodgers would more than excel in NE.
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a top 5 QB????
you can say top 10 QB but better than Manning/Brady/Vick/Brees/Big Ben?
Brady would die in Green Bay, while Rodgers would more than excel in NE.
Besides speculation, may I see some fact behind this erroneous statement?
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a top 5 QB????
you can say top 10 QB but better than Manning/Brady/Vick/Brees/Big Ben?
Brady would die in Green Bay, while Rodgers would more than excel in NE.
Besides speculation, may I see some fact behind this erroneous statement?
Facts, under constant pressure with little run game and finesse passes required Brady has historically struggled. I know it's unpopular to think he can't make the throws, but he can't make the throws. Fade routes and over 15 yard needle threaders are outside of Brady's talents, and they are a big part of the McCarthy offense. It was built around Favre's abilities, and Rodgers was chosen because he showed he could do it too. Brady couldn't beat Brian Griese for a starting job the first two years, and just barely beat out an MLB 3rd basemen for the next two years, because he couldn't make those throws. These are facts. Stats don't show what the throws were. They just show the stats. In the first game of the season last year Denver beat the Bengals because of an 87 yard TD pass from Kyle Orton to Brandon Stokely. Now look at the fucking replay and tell me why Orton should get anything added to his stat sheet. They should have a "dropped INT" stat for QBs.
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^What makes you think that if he went to Green Bay they would make him run McCarthy's offense? Brady would sit down with his coaches, like they all do, & tell them what plays he comfortable running with. If we're going to play fantasy island over here, we don't have to make it beyond unrealistic. They would run those plays in practice & maybe two pre-season games & realize it doesn't work & scrap it.
Let's be honest for once, you use to say "He won rings because he had the best defense, a good run game & the best line"; that was nearly 10 years ago. Now he has an average defense, statistically they are below average, most certainly worse than the ring years, he a solid, but nothing special run game & his offensive line is aging, still pretty damn good, but isn't as good as it was 7-8 years ago. & yet somehow he's putting up BETTER numbers with less help. That physically makes no sense.
I get it, you're mad he gets the shine & doesn't have to do as much as Peyton Manning. But if we're going to play fantasy world where the QB has to play the system of the coaches, Bill is running the same offense & if he had Peyton, he would make him run the same plays & you'd be here shitting on Peyton.
Can I admit Tom Brady wouldn't have as great the numbers if he was somewhere else? Of course. But do I think he'd be jobless within three weeks? No, he'd still play well. But at the end of the day he isn't anywhere else & he'll continue to put up the great numbers & numbers is what defines sports in this World.
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if Tom Brady had the lines that Rodgers or Manning have he'd be more like Brad Quinn lol
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a top 5 QB????
you can say top 10 QB but better than Manning/Brady/Vick/Brees/Big Ben?
Brady would die in Green Bay, while Rodgers would more than excel in NE.
ok but he's not better than those other 4 :D
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a top 5 QB????
you can say top 10 QB but better than Manning/Brady/Vick/Brees/Big Ben?
Brady would die in Green Bay, while Rodgers would more than excel in NE.
ok but he's not better than those other 4 :D
Well IF Vick didn't have legs & IF Brees didn't have a left arm & IF Big Ben got convicted for rape, he'd be the second best QB in the league, in my opinion.
But on a serious note, I think Rodgers could be the 3rd best. Mobile QBs like Vick don't win Superbowls, so I'd rather have Rodgers over him & I think he's certainly better then Ben & I'd say it's a close coin flip between him & Drew, but Rodgers has more up in his future.
Don't sleep on Phillip Rivers though.
EDIT: Oh & Matt Ryan.
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a top 5 QB????
you can say top 10 QB but better than Manning/Brady/Vick/Brees/Big Ben?
Brady would die in Green Bay, while Rodgers would more than excel in NE.
ok but he's not better than those other 4 :D
Well IF Vick didn't have legs & IF Brees didn't have a left arm & IF Big Ben got convicted for rape, he'd be the second best QB in the league, in my opinion.
But on a serious note, I think Rodgers could be the 3rd best. Mobile QBs like Vick don't win Superbowls, so I'd rather have Rodgers over him & I think he's certainly better then Ben & I'd say it's a close coin flip between him & Drew, but Rodgers has more up in his future.
Don't sleep on Phillip Rivers though.
EDIT: Oh & Matt Ryan.
while I'll admit he's sucked ass in certain Philadelphia related games this year (and a few other games), Eli Manning has something that Rodgers/Rivers/Ryan may never have so you can't leave him out of the discussion either. it's a shame the Giants most likel will miss the playoffs (unless GB loses and NYG win)
i hate the Bears, i hope they win next week though
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1-Patriots
2-Falcons
3-Saints
4-Eagles
5-Steelers
6-Ravens
7-Bears
8-Jets
9-Packers
10-Colts
The NFC is completely up for grabs. I think any of those teams cant beat any of the others. I think the Packers will beat the Bears next week and get in. It likely could set up a rematch the following week in the wildcard game. For some reason I still cant take the Bears seriously though.
The AFC, I pretty much feel like its the Pats and everyone else right. Pittsburgh or Baltimore could MAYBE go in there and beat them...but its gonne be tough. I dont see the Colts doing it this year, and I think the Jets might get bounced out in the wildcard game.
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^What makes you think that if he went to Green Bay they would make him run McCarthy's offense? Brady would sit down with his coaches, like they all do, & tell them what plays he comfortable running with. If we're going to play fantasy island over here, we don't have to make it beyond unrealistic. They would run those plays in practice & maybe two pre-season games & realize it doesn't work & scrap it.
Let's be honest for once, you use to say "He won rings because he had the best defense, a good run game & the best line"; that was nearly 10 years ago. Now he has an average defense, statistically they are below average, most certainly worse than the ring years, he a solid, but nothing special run game & his offensive line is aging, still pretty damn good, but isn't as good as it was 7-8 years ago. & yet somehow he's putting up BETTER numbers with less help. That physically makes no sense.
I get it, you're mad he gets the shine & doesn't have to do as much as Peyton Manning. But if we're going to play fantasy world where the QB has to play the system of the coaches, Bill is running the same offense & if he had Peyton, he would make him run the same plays & you'd be here shitting on Peyton.
Can I admit Tom Brady wouldn't have as great the numbers if he was somewhere else? Of course. But do I think he'd be jobless within three weeks? No, he'd still play well. But at the end of the day he isn't anywhere else & he'll continue to put up the great numbers & numbers is what defines sports in this World.
The Packers don't have the personnel or the coaches to run the Patriots system. he o-line isn't as good. There is no Wes Welker to squeeze in short in the middle plays, or a Ron Gronkowsky type to block for screens and runs. Brady doesn't have say on what plays are called or what the offense should be like. McCarthty has his own system it needs a gunslinger to work right. Why would McCarthy change his whole style and trade for completely different players to accommodate Brady? You could argue that wit the current Packers D the NE style offense would be ideal for a Superbowl team, but you'd need Wies or McDaniels to set it up. But then why spend money on Brady when Kyle Orton can give you the same numbers? Orton and McDaniels playing wit that Packers D would be ridiculous.
My point is that QBs for the Erhardt-Perkins style offense are a dime a dozen. Finding guys to set it up is the tricky part. Aaron Rodgers is a special talent. Tom Brady is not.
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1. Patriots
2. Falcons (still)
3. Saints
4. Steelers
5. Bears
6. Eagles
7. Ravens
8. Packers (with a healthy Rodgers)
9. Jets
10. Chiefs
Colts right on the outside looking in, watch out 'cause they starting to play right
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1. Patriots
2. Falcons (still)
3. Saints
4. Steelers
5. Bears
6. Eagles
7. Ravens
8. Packers (with a healthy Rodgers)
9. Jets
10. Chiefs
Colts right on the outside looking in, watch out 'cause they starting to play right
Still not sold on the Saints. Falcons had a bad game and a lot breaks went the other way. Saints are still way ahead of the Colts, but they better hope they win in Tampa and Carolina wins in ATL, because no way are the Saints going to win in Philly or Chicago if they go that way. Hell I wouldn't even be shocked if they get eliminated in St Louis or Seattle. And the Packers with Rodgers will eat them up.
As far as the Colts go, I think a lot of teams are going to be surprised in January if all three RBs stay healthy. They never properly replaced Rhodes since he left, and that's why I felt very strong about them not grabbing Marshawn Lynch, who can do everything Dominic can do and more. Three fresh legs running behind that line will be a rude awakening for a lot of defenses. They're also learning to stop the run better. If the Colts can stop the run and run the ball they not only can beat anyone, I expect them to beat everyone. Because the second you have to respect the run against Indy, Peyton will eat you alive. And once they get a 2 TD lead it's Freeney and Mathis all day. Assuming they get in, the first week in the playoffs will tell me of they can win the next week. If they just squeeze by with Peyton's arm then they're dead the week after.
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:boohoo:
i sit around and critisize and say how everyone overated the eagles all season, then finally, a game the vikings have no reason to win, that gets delayed and they sit on ice for 2 extra days in philly eating cheesteaks, and the eagles come out at home and get out-coached, out-played, and just look like ass. i feel like it's a free for all in the playoffs, and i think we would play (1st round) the bottom seed so GB or Giants or TB, and honestly, beating the (spiteful) giants a 3rd time will be hard as will the new born GB (we will see how they will play chicago). i am more comfortable with the saint coming to philly but we gotta get there first.
and there go the Vick for MVP talks, out the window, he looked like shit, and yea they werent picking up the same blitzes, and yea, the line is shit, and yea several times he had nowhere to run, but some of those throws, shallow you talk about that dropped INT stat, there was like at least 4, and the one pick that there was actually helped out, cause instead of punting it put them on the 8 yard line, and that fumble, inexcusable. ugh. the sad thing was that the game was winnable at most points in the game but the eagles showed nothing, no heart, the were ready to go home the second they stepped on that field.
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:boohoo:
i sit around and critisize and say how everyone overated the eagles all season, then finally, a game the vikings have no reason to win, that gets delayed and they sit on ice for 2 extra days in philly eating cheesteaks, and the eagles come out at home and get out-coached, out-played, and just look like ass. i feel like it's a free for all in the playoffs, and i think we would play (1st round) the bottom seed so GB or Giants or TB, and honestly, beating the (spiteful) giants a 3rd time will be hard as will the new born GB (we will see how they will play chicago). i am more comfortable with the saint coming to philly but we gotta get there first.
and there go the Vick for MVP talks, out the window, he looked like shit, and yea they werent picking up the same blitzes, and yea, the line is shit, and yea several times he had nowhere to run, but some of those throws, shallow you talk about that dropped INT stat, there was like at least 4, and the one pick that there was actually helped out, cause instead of punting it put them on the 8 yard line, and that fumble, inexcusable. ugh. the sad thing was that the game was winnable at most points in the game but the eagles showed nothing, no heart, the were ready to go home the second they stepped on that field.
A friend of mine was in the fantasy finals and was down ten points going into tonight. He should have had it wrapped up last night but Ryan and White didn't show up. And the only player left was a defensive player and defensive players never put up 10 points. Except it was Antoine Winfield, and with one amazing play dude took home the fantasy trophy.
I think teams will now see how to beat Vick; blitz a CB at him. That could prove to be the downfall of Mike Vick. And you're right he didn't play well, and yes I talk about dropped INTs and stats don't tell the story. But I never praised Vick or Manning for ball protection. People aren't shutting up about Brady and that's why I mentioned his dropped INTs and lack of necessity to try and squeeze it in. Brady has 4 INTs, Cassel on the same team more or less has 5.
As for MVP, yeah it looks like Vick just lost the race. Brady will win it, but no chance in hell has he played better than Manning this year or is he nearly as valuable. Even Cassel has outplayed Brady and has shown to be more valuable. I just can't make a case for Brady based on what I've seen, and I've seen every Pats game. If Manning had lost a few more with picks, or if the Cassel made a few more mistakes, maybe, but I cannot argue Brady over either of those two guys.
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yea my friend was down like 40 points in fantasy and had both vick and mccoy and was banking on another washington redskins type game, that however was not how it went down