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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: OG Hack Wilson on January 19, 2011, 01:56:25 PM
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now that Shaq's career is winding down, who had a better career?
would your mind change if Shaq wins a 5th title with Boston?
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This should almost be indisputable that Shaq is better. I have to listen to how Kobe is so great because of his rings, then so is Shaq.
If you don't talk to a Laker dickrider, they'll tell you Shaq was definitely more important to all the Laker success during his years their & Wade would still be ringless without him.
& in his prime say what you want about anybody, I think he's the most dominant Center in his prime. He's was dropping thirty a game when wing players ran shit in the NBA.
The only other Center to put those numbers up was David Robinson. Everyone before that was great, yeah, sure. But they were playing in an undersized league.
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Hakeem is better
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Hakeem is better
yep Hakeem at his best was better than Ewing/Robinson/Shaq or any other contemporary (better than the 80s Kareem, better than Alonzo etc)
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Hakeem had better offensive post moves but Shaq overall is the better player and has better career
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both beasts, both great ones. hakeem was the better player (both at their peak) but shaq had a better career.
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hakeem had more skills and dedication, shaq had better nba center genetics and was more of a freak of nature with an absurd physique along with more rings and overall success
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hakeem had more skills and dedication, shaq had better nba center genetics and was more of a freak of nature with an absurd physique along with more rings and overall success
Nailed it right in the head. Hakeem was an overall more talented player, but Shaq's size and his ability to use his size made him the most dominant player ever. If he could go back in time, he would absolutely shit on Wilt Chamberlain and Bill Russell.
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Honestly though, who cares whose more talented though? It's about how you play the game & your effect on it.
NIK used to say Andrew Bynum had better footwork than Dwight & was better than Dwight because of his technical skill. But who wouldn't want to have raw, athletic intangibles that overall make you more valuable.
People say Kobe is more skilled then LeBron, but if LeBron is still putting up the same stat line who cares if it looks pretty with a silky smooth shot? If you're equally unstoppable it shouldn't be held against you.
Nobody could stop Shaq in his prime.
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Honestly though, who cares whose more talented though? It's about how you play the game & your effect on it.
NIK used to say Andrew Bynum had better footwork than Dwight & was better than Dwight because of his technical skill. But who wouldn't want to have raw, athletic intangibles that overall make you more valuable.
People say Kobe is more skilled then LeBron, but if LeBron is still putting up the same stat line who cares if it looks pretty with a silky smooth shot? If you're equally unstoppable it shouldn't be held against you.
Nobody could stop Shaq in his prime.
way to contradict yourself with your very last line hahahahaha
btw Hakeem is the only man to ever block Kareem's Skyhook
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^How? Nobody could stop him.
He didn't have great flash or amazing footwork or that "coaches dream" skill set, but at the end of the day you could not stop him.
That's my point, if you get the job done, it doesn't matter how it looks on the court.
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^How? Nobody could stop him.
He didn't have great flash or amazing footwork or that "coaches dream" skill set, but at the end of the day you could not stop him.
That's my point, if you get the job done, it doesn't matter how it looks on the court.
Hakeem put up better stats in the playoffs in his best season than Shaq did
Shaq in 99-00: 23 games 707 points, 355 rebounds, 55 blocks, 30.7 PPG and 15.4 RPG
Hakeem in 94-95: 22 games, 725 points, 227 rebounds, 62 blocks, 33 PPG and 10.3 RPG (hakeem played Robinson and Shaq in these playoffs)
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Hakeem went against both Shaq and Ewing in the NBA finals
and for those who think the Bulls would've beat the Rockets....I used to think that too until you take a look at the Rockets-Bulls games during the MJ/Hakeem era and see the Rockets held their own
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http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-16433919.html
KAREEM SAYS HAKEEM WAS BETTER THAN SHAQ
wow those are 3 ugly names lol
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Hakeem in his prime was better than a rookie Shaq. That's all we can prove. I know I'd rather have Shaq's career and Shaq in his prime on my time than I would Olajuwon. He came close once in the 80s but they got slapped around by Larry in the finals. The rest of the years they were a one and done team.
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Hakeem in his prime was better than a rookie Shaq. That's all we can prove. I know I'd rather have Shaq's career and Shaq in his prime on my time than I would Olajuwon. He came close once in the 80s but they got slapped around by Larry in the finals. The rest of the years they were a one and done team.
imagine if Hakeem had a Kobe as his #2 lol
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Hakeem Olajuwon. Motherfucking MVP, Defensive MVP and goddamn Finals MVP in the same fucking year. Quadruple doubles. Defeating his greatest contemporaries during the playoffs and championships. Shaq defeated a white dude from the fucking Netherlands and ancient Dikembe Mutombo then got whipped by a 6'8" CBA player named Ben Wallace.
Shaq could have been better if he had learn the saying, "I'm full."
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Hakeem in his prime was better than a rookie Shaq. That's all we can prove. I know I'd rather have Shaq's career and Shaq in his prime on my time than I would Olajuwon. He came close once in the 80s but they got slapped around by Larry in the finals. The rest of the years they were a one and done team.
imagine if Hakeem had a Kobe as his #2 lol
Larry on a rookie Kobe would have had his way with him on both sides of the ball.
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i can't even vote on that. even though they were both centers, they were 2 totally different players. hakeem was a classy, skilled and intelligent player and shaq was dominant player with an animal strenght, but on the skill level he was rather awkward. but they were achieving the same goals, so i guess is to each their own. matter of taste.
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Hakeem Olajuwon. Motherfucking MVP, Defensive MVP and goddamn Finals MVP in the same fucking year. Quadruple doubles. Defeating his greatest contemporaries during the playoffs and championships. Shaq defeated a white dude from the fucking Netherlands and ancient Dikembe Mutombo then got whipped by a 6'8" CBA player named Ben Wallace.
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ben wallace isnt a CBA player lmao but he would score a lot more in the CBA if it existed
but Wallace has proven himself to be an NBA player
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Hakeem was definitely better in his prime. Not to mention, Hakeem had centers like Robinson and Ewing who were in their prime at the same time as him to compete with. While Shaq was in his prime...the center position as we know it was in the process of being phased out anyways. Take a look at the All Star choices for Center these days lol.
However, I do think Shaq had the better career. The championships with the Lakers, and the one with the Heat. Although Hakeem was FAR more skilled, Shaq has had an amazing career.
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why don't we have dominant centers anymore?
i mean Howard is the only true exception although Yao could've had that status too
funny how we have all these dope power forwards for big men....it's like we can't have a dominant 7 footer anymore
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why don't we have dominant centers anymore?
i mean Howard is the only true exception although Yao could've had that status too
funny how we have all these dope power forwards for big men....it's like we can't have a dominant 7 footer anymore
Fuckin Europeans ruined basketball lol With soft 7 footers shooting three pointers instead bangin with eachother down low (no homo).
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Because LeBron is almost the size of a Center & can control the ball like a Point Guard. The game is on another level these days, in terms of freakishness.
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Because LeBron is almost the size of a Center & can control the ball like a Point Guard. The game is on another level these days, in terms of freakishness.
Yeah, not just LeBron though. Remember, Magic was a freakish point guard as well (heightwise). The game has just changed to be geared around offense so much more...so bigmen are learning to face up more and play almost like small forwards (credit David Robinson 8)). The difference is though, back in the day....bigmen played much better defense then now. Dwight Howard is good defensively, but looks so good because he his being compared to every other bigman out there who plays no D at all.
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Because LeBron is almost the size of a Center & can control the ball like a Point Guard. The game is on another level these days, in terms of freakishness.
Yeah, not just LeBron though. Remember, Magic was a freakish point guard as well (heightwise). The game has just changed to be geared around offense so much more...so bigmen are learning to face up more and play almost like small forwards (credit David Robinson 8)). The difference is though, back in the day....bigmen played much better defense then now. Dwight Howard is good defensively, but looks so good because he his being compared to every other bigman out there who plays no D at all.
But at the end of the day the teams with defensive minded bigs with great wing players wins the rings.
The league is in favor of offense because that's what sells.
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Because LeBron is almost the size of a Center & can control the ball like a Point Guard. The game is on another level these days, in terms of freakishness.
Yeah, not just LeBron though. Remember, Magic was a freakish point guard as well (heightwise). The game has just changed to be geared around offense so much more...so bigmen are learning to face up more and play almost like small forwards (credit David Robinson 8)). The difference is though, back in the day....bigmen played much better defense then now. Dwight Howard is good defensively, but looks so good because he his being compared to every other bigman out there who plays no D at all.
But at the end of the day the teams with defensive minded bigs with great wing players wins the rings.
The league is in favor of offense because that's what sells.
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no doubt the "big fella" imo best bigman to ever play
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no doubt the "big fella" imo best bigman to ever play
Man....there isnt ONE aspect of Shaqs game that was better than Hakeems. The only thing Shaq has, he is heavier. Im not sure if you got to watch Hakeem in his prime...but he was amazing. And again, he was competing with Robinson and Ewing in their primes. Hakeem had a better jumper, better footwork, better post moves (lol not even close), better defender....Shaq was just fatter is all.
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Shaq scored more in his prime
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Shaq scored more in his prime
Hakeem blocked more shots, stole more balls and actually hit his free throws.
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Hakeem in his (short) prime is the best center of all the time ... we will never seee another center with such skills ... his destruction of Robinson the league MVP in the 95 playoffs is the best individual performance of all the time in a postseason series ... Shaq had the better carreer but is uninteresting to watch playing
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Hakeem in his (short) prime is the best center of all the time ... we will never seee another center with such skills ... his destruction of Robinson the league MVP in the 95 playoffs is the best individual performance of all the time in a postseason series ... Shaq had the better carreer but is uninteresting to watch playing
Short prime? He was all world from 87 to 98
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Hakeem was more skilled, but Shaq was just a freak of nature. Shaq's dominance is pretty much un-paralled so I gotta give it to the big guy.
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Hakeem in his (short) prime is the best center of all the time ... we will never seee another center with such skills ... his destruction of Robinson the league MVP in the 95 playoffs is the best individual performance of all the time in a postseason series ... Shaq had the better carreer but is uninteresting to watch playing
Short prime? He was all world from 87 to 98
yeah that wasn't too short IMO
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Hakeem mid-range jumper was prolly the best from all the centers I've seen in my life. He had more offensive moves in the post area - Shaq dominated people with his physical power. He was bigger and stronger than any other center. The Dream destroyed opponents with his jumpers and dream shake's. Hard to tell who was better in their primes - both were great and fun to watch.
But I'll take Hakeem - he style of play was just so smooth it was always a pleasure to watch him :)
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Hakeem in his (short) prime is the best center of all the time ... we will never seee another center with such skills ... his destruction of Robinson the league MVP in the 95 playoffs is the best individual performance of all the time in a postseason series ... Shaq had the better carreer but is uninteresting to watch playing
Short prime? He was all world from 87 to 98
Well I may have express myself incorrectly ... let's say at his very best which was the 2 years he won the title ... he always was great during the era you mentioned but he wasn't on a whole another level for 11 years like he was in 94 and 95