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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: OG Hack Wilson on January 19, 2011, 07:01:24 PM
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look at the top 10 players back in the early 1990s:
Jordan
Hakeem
Ewing
Stockton
Malone
Barkley
Shaq (orlando era)
Robinson
Pippen
Drexler
the top 10 players now?
Lebron
Wade
Kobe
Durant
Howard
Rondo
Amare
Williams
Rose
Paul
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I won't pronounce myself in terms of talent, it's hard to tell (except at the center position ;D), but late 80's/early 90's nba had less crappy rules helping teams offensively or star players gettin the royal treatment, had less crappy teams, less teams and more great players per team. all in all, nba back in the day was more fun to watch, now I just watch major games here and there but college ball is more attractive nowadays imo. nba peaked in the 80's/90's.
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thats funny cuz i HATE college ball untuil March - and even then it's still boring most of the time lol
i think that Stern and co have made it easier to be a PG these days and much harder to be a big
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Today would win.
You don't even have Melo on today's list lol.
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Today would win.
You don't even have Melo on today's list lol.
nor did i include Dirk or K-love
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if you're asking about the best from 20 years ago going against the best now you have like (off the top of my head)
20 years(early 90's):
at pg you had guys like stockton, thomas already declining, magic before hiv, mark price, kevin johnson, young hardaway, young payton coming into the league...
at sg you had jordan, drexler, dumars, mitch richmond, dale ellis, sprewell...
at sf you had pippen, wilkins, beat down bird full of injuries, mullin, worthy...
at pf you had malone, barkley, chambers, cummings, full of injuries mchale, kevin willis, young kemp...
at c you had hakeem, ewing, robinson, young shaq coming into the league, old parish, daugherty...
now:
at pg you have paul, rose, rondo, deron, nash, billups, parker, westbrook...
at sg you have kobe, wade, roy, manu, joe johnson, past his prime ray allen, ellis...
at sf you have lebron, durant, melo, past his prime pierce, gay, granger...
at pf you have gasol, amare, nowitzki, love, past their prime duncan and garnett, boozer, griffin...
at c you have dwight, bogut, horford...
it's hard to tell but I think 20 years ago would win mostly due to inside game
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Today would win.
LOL
You must be on crack.
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If your talking exactly 20 years ago, today would win. In the 1990-1991 season it was too much transition, Magic was going to leave because of HIV, Hakeem was not quite in his prime, Isiah was leaving his, the NBA was basically MJ and then either people too washed up or not there yet. The 1989 draft was one of the worst, if not the worst drafts in history. The top pick was Pervis Ellison, followed by Danny Ferry. The only players people would remember from that draft was Glenn Rice, Shawn Kemp and Vlade Divac. Everyone else were scrubs, except Sean Elliot, Tim Hardaway and Nick Anderson who were a great role player. The 1990 draft wasn't that great either, aside from Gary Payton, only Derrick Coleman (first overall) and Dennis Scott even made for decent role players. So in 1990-1991 season, you had a lack of young talent, you had aging talent on it's way out in Isiah, Magic, Bird, and you had talent not ready for prime time like Ewing, Stockton, Malone and Hakeem. Then you had Michael Jordan at his best, Clyde Drexler who was ready from prime time, and Charles Barkley who was in his prime.
Right now you have better young talent, you have great talent in it's prime like 'Melo, LBJ, Wade and Dwight and the aging talent right now is Kobe who is still winning. So 2010-2011>1990-1991.
Now if you want 25 or 15 years ago, that's different. the mid 80's and the mid 90's would crush today. But in 1990-1991 season, it was the perfect storm of bad draft classes and aging talent.
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If your talking exactly 20 years ago, today would win. In the 1990-1991 season it was too much transition, Magic was going to leave because of HIV, Hakeem was not quite in his prime, Isiah was leaving his, the NBA was basically MJ and then either people too washed up or not there yet. The 1989 draft was one of the worst, if not the worst drafts in history. The top pick was Pervis Ellison, followed by Danny Ferry. The only players people would remember from that draft was Glenn Rice, Shawn Kemp and Vlade Divac. Everyone else were scrubs, except Sean Elliot, Tim Hardaway and Nick Anderson who were a great role player. The 1990 draft wasn't that great either, aside from Gary Payton, only Derrick Coleman (first overall) and Dennis Scott even made for decent role players. So in 1990-1991 season, you had a lack of young talent, you had aging talent on it's way out in Isiah, Magic, Bird, and you had talent not ready for prime time like Ewing, Stockton, Malone and Hakeem. Then you had Michael Jordan at his best, Clyde Drexler who was ready from prime time, and Charles Barkley who was in his prime.
Right now you have better young talent, you have great talent in it's prime like 'Melo, LBJ, Wade and Dwight and the aging talent right now is Kobe who is still winning. So 2010-2011>1990-1991.
Now if you want 25 or 15 years ago, that's different. the mid 80's and the mid 90's would crush today. But in 1990-1991 season, it was the perfect storm of bad draft classes and aging talent.
totally agree, if you're just talkin about exactly 20 years ago today would take it, now more or less than that is a different story
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Today would win.
LOL
You must be on crack.
Rose/Paul/Rondo (take your pick)
Kobe/D-Wade off the bench
LeBron/Durant/Melo (in order off the bench)
Duncan/KG (I don't know why we can't look at the last five of six years)
Dwight/Amare
vs.
Stockton
Jordan/Drexler
Pippen
Barkley/Malone
Hakeem/Robinson
The only reason you're shocked to think that today's game would win because you're probably in your mid to late twenties & watched all those guys play & all those guys on the older team have some sort of legacy tied to their name that today's players are going to inevitably get.
You can say what you want about Stockon, but we have the PG position covered; I didn't even use Nash or Deron. Yeah, you got Jordan. But Kobe Bryant is pretty amazing if you ask me lol. Some already dispute that Kobe is better. We own you at the SF position. If you got back to like 2002-2003, KG & Timmy could be the two best PF's to ever play the game. You take the center position but we're beyond athletic at that position.
Even if we didn't win the game (which would surprise me), we wouldn't get blown out.
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80s and 90s (up to 96) was the golden era of basketball
games were more exciting and even players that were no name or u cant remember their names were good players...especially in 80s basketball players were actually players that can shoot the ball, the basics of basketball has become a joke; dunks and lay ups....as opposed to SHOOTING
Now days on a team you have less than handful of players that you can actually rely on scoring...basically have a few key players and the rest are fillers. You shut those people down and the team cant score.
CENTERS are rare nowdays, some teams dont even have them or they dont play them. Coaches go for more smaller line ups to make the game faster but alot of it is just running around uselessly, losing the ball, i bet average of turnovers is more nowdays if u look at stats. For example, one of the biggest things they used to mention about the bulls winning was that they did it without dominant centers. And those guys would be dominant centers in todays game, thats how weak the league is now days.
Games were alot more exciting back then but now only if its a big name team and nothing else. Now its all about a few players and teams the rest are a joke that cant do shit...sometiems when i hear teams like timberwolves, bucks, nets, bobcats, warriors, etc...im like damn these teams exist? lol they're so far off the radar....point is back then upsets were normal and there was passion, now days upsets dont really happen
game is weak nowdays, its all flashy dunks
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With those two lists...the early 90's squad would dominate. Particularly on the glass. I like the current players backcourt over the early 90's (with the exception of Jordan obviously). But they would get NOTHING in the lane, and have a hard time getting any boards. The current team would need to shoot 65% on their jumpers to stay in it.
Watching Pippen stick LeBron would be interesting.
There are also too many PG's on the current team. Im guessing so that you could make sure to add Rondo to the list lol. But I would take off Paul and Rondo, and add Dirk and Melo for sure.
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Today would win.
LOL
You must be on crack.
Rose/Paul/Rondo (take your pick)
Kobe/D-Wade off the bench
LeBron/Durant/Melo (in order off the bench)
Duncan/KG (I don't know why we can't look at the last five of six years)
Dwight/Amare
vs.
Stockton
Jordan/Drexler
Pippen
Barkley/Malone
Hakeem/Robinson
The only reason you're shocked to think that today's game would win because you're probably in your mid to late twenties & watched all those guys play & all those guys on the older team have some sort of legacy tied to their name that today's players are going to inevitably get.
You can say what you want about Stockon, but we have the PG position covered; I didn't even use Nash or Deron. Yeah, you got Jordan. But Kobe Bryant is pretty amazing if you ask me lol. Some already dispute that Kobe is better. We own you at the SF position. If you got back to like 2002-2003, KG & Timmy could be the two best PF's to ever play the game. You take the center position but we're beyond athletic at that position.
Even if we didn't win the game (which would surprise me), we wouldn't get blown out.
if you wanna look at the last five or six years, look five or six years before the early 90's or at least after, that way the team from the past would get the w and I'm not saying that because all of the legacy thing you talked about.
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i dont think any of the current players are legends, especially if they lived back then...stockton and magic for example would school all these point guards
current players who would be legend are; kobe, lebron, wade, shaq
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i dont think any of the current players are legends, especially if they lived back then...stockton and magic for example would school all these point guards
current players who would be legend are; kobe, lebron, wade, shaq
I'm sure if they were born 10 years earlier KEvin GArnett and Timmy Duncan would've dominated in any league
and Rondo would school that sucker Magic Johnson ;)
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http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/110120&sportCat=nba
Chamilly is a famous sports writer apparently lol
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Bill Simmons is a fucking genius. 8)
& pshhhhhhh, Stockton. He couldn't guard Russell Westbrook, let alone Rondo, Rose & Deron Williams.
You guys are arguing whose got more legends. Obviously a team who all members (besides Shaq) are retired is going to have more legends. Most of the players on todays team aren't even 28 yet, haven't won rings because the league is so spread out outside of like three teams who have a legitimate chance of winning. Fuck all that "legacy" shit, we simply could not be guarded.
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Stockton was better than any guard today...EVEN RONDO :d
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Shaq wasn't drafted until the 92 draft. He was in a very good draft class, the 91 draft class wasn't as bad either. But that 90-91 season, other than the Bulls, there was really no one. The team looks good on paper but looking really at it, an older Magic, Bird, and Isiah is not going to cut it.
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Bill Simmons is a fucking genius. 8)
& pshhhhhhh, Stockton. He couldn't guard Russell Westbrook, let alone Rondo, Rose & Deron Williams.
You guys are arguing whose got more legends. Obviously a team who all members (besides Shaq) are retired is going to have more legends. Most of the players on todays team aren't even 28 yet, haven't won rings because the league is so spread out outside of like three teams who have a legitimate chance of winning. Fuck all that "legacy" shit, we simply could not be guarded.
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Bill Simmons is a fucking genius. 8)
& pshhhhhhh, Stockton. He couldn't guard Russell Westbrook, let alone Rondo, Rose & Deron Williams.
You guys are arguing whose got more legends. Obviously a team who all members (besides Shaq) are retired is going to have more legends. Most of the players on todays team aren't even 28 yet, haven't won rings because the league is so spread out outside of like three teams who have a legitimate chance of winning. Fuck all that "legacy" shit, we simply could not be guarded.
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Solid response.
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Bill Simmons is a fucking genius. 8)
& pshhhhhhh, Stockton. He couldn't guard Russell Westbrook, let alone Rondo, Rose & Deron Williams.
You guys are arguing whose got more legends. Obviously a team who all members (besides Shaq) are retired is going to have more legends. Most of the players on todays team aren't even 28 yet, haven't won rings because the league is so spread out outside of like three teams who have a legitimate chance of winning. Fuck all that "legacy" shit, we simply could not be guarded.
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Solid response.
how old are? the thing is everyone thinks their generation is better and they dont wanna believe it was better back in the day. I was like that in 90s when people said 80s were better but now that im older i dont disagree....
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Bill Simmons is a fucking genius. 8)
& pshhhhhhh, Stockton. He couldn't guard Russell Westbrook, let alone Rondo, Rose & Deron Williams.
You guys are arguing whose got more legends. Obviously a team who all members (besides Shaq) are retired is going to have more legends. Most of the players on todays team aren't even 28 yet, haven't won rings because the league is so spread out outside of like three teams who have a legitimate chance of winning. Fuck all that "legacy" shit, we simply could not be guarded.
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Solid response.
how old are? the thing is everyone thinks their generation is better and they dont wanna believe it was better back in the day. I was like that in 90s when people said 80s were better but now that im older i dont disagree....
I just want to know, what are we comparing. Because I hear 20 years ago, and 20 years ago exactly the NBA sucked. It was Michael Jordan, the Bulls and a bunch of scrub teams for MJ to beat on. The 90-91 season was not exactly the shinning example of strong basketball. Most the players were aging and getting ready to retire. Were the 80's better than today, absolutely. I started watching basketball in the 80's, loved every minute of it. Was it better in the 90's, absolutely, once those great draft classes in the early 90's started getting in the league, Alonzo, Shaq, Weber, Hardaway, I can go on and on. But 20 years ago, the 90-91 season, was it better than the 2010-2011, I want you to honestly look at these seasons and tell me honestly that the 1990-1991 season was better than the 2010-2011 season. Using the Sports Guy's roster (since the all-star game is not played yet) lets compare using all star teams.
90-91 all stars:
East: West:
G Michael Jordan G Magic Johnson
G Joe Dumars G Kevin Johnson
F Charles Barkley F Chris Mullin
F Bernard King F Karl Malone
C Patrick Ewing C David Robinson
Reserves Reserves
F/G Dominique Wilkins F James Worthy
F/G Ricky Pierce F/G Clyde Drexler
G Hersey Hawkins (alternative for Larry Bird) C Kevin Duckworth
F/C Kevin McHale F/C Tom Chambers
C Brad Daugherty G Terry Porter
G Alvin Robertson G Tim Hardaway
C Robert Parish G John Stockton
F Larry Bird (DNP)
F Isiah Thomas (DNP)
10-11 all stars:
East:
G Derrick Rose G Chris Paul
G Dwayne Wade G Kobe Bryant
F LeBron James F Kevin Durant
F Amare Stoudemire F Carmelo Anthony
C Dwight Howard C Pau Gasol
Reserves Reserves
F Kevin Garrent F Dirk Nowitzki
F Paul Pierce F Manu Ginobili
G Rajon Rondo G Russell Westbrook
F Chris Bosh G Deron Williams
C Al Horford F Kevin Love
G Joe Johnson F Blake Griffin
G Raymond Felton F/C Tim Duncan
Which all star teams do you think are deep, look at their season of that year.
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I just want to know, what are we comparing. Because I hear 20 years ago, and 20 years ago exactly the NBA sucked. It was Michael Jordan, the Bulls and a bunch of scrub teams for MJ to beat on. The 90-91 season was not exactly the shinning example of strong basketball.
true 90-91 wasnt the best year and by 20 years ago i assumed he meant the old generation, so really im comparing 80s to 96
97 was the half season where they were on strike and after that it started going down
im just not impressed with the guys today...u literally have guys that do not shoot the ball...clock is running out and they're just holding the ball to give to that one shooter on the team...i know its part of the game plan and he's prob listening to the coach but thats super lame...to me its lame that we actually have so called professional basketball players who cant shoot jump shots
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I just want to know, what are we comparing. Because I hear 20 years ago, and 20 years ago exactly the NBA sucked. It was Michael Jordan, the Bulls and a bunch of scrub teams for MJ to beat on. The 90-91 season was not exactly the shinning example of strong basketball. Most the players were aging and getting ready to retire. Were the 80's better than today, absolutely. I started watching basketball in the 80's, loved every minute of it. Was it better in the 90's, absolutely, once those great draft classes in the early 90's started getting in the league, Alonzo, Shaq, Weber, Hardaway, I can go on and on. But 20 years ago, the 90-91 season, was it better than the 2010-2011, I want you to honestly look at these seasons and tell me honestly that the 1990-1991 season was better than the 2010-2011 season.
no doubt, the, let's call it, years of transition between the 80's era and the 90's era were weak.
Bill Simmons is a fucking genius. 8)
& pshhhhhhh, Stockton. He couldn't guard Russell Westbrook, let alone Rondo, Rose & Deron Williams.
You guys are arguing whose got more legends. Obviously a team who all members (besides Shaq) are retired is going to have more legends. Most of the players on todays team aren't even 28 yet, haven't won rings because the league is so spread out outside of like three teams who have a legitimate chance of winning. Fuck all that "legacy" shit, we simply could not be guarded.
I'm not arguing whose got more legends, some of the players playing today are my all time favorites, and legends to be no doubt, I'm judging talent, time and season wise. if we're talking about the 90/91 season or a few season that preceded or succeed that one, today wins, now against 80's or the 90's primes, I don't think so. I don't give a damn about legacy here, and who is "we"? do you play in the nba right now? did I play 20 years ago? or am I not alive today and don't belong in the present? I was a kid in the 80's and early 90's, of course I saw some of the major games, players and so on, again, on tape or whatever, right now, so I can have a better judgment now that I have more knowledge. and I still enjoy just as much and give credit to the players right now excluding the lack of fundamentals and defensive awareness and not wanting to improve, wanting to be flashy as oppose to effective, but hey, that's the game right now, what can we do. it's really the organization, the bullshit rules, the stealing, the star treatment, the poor refs, the lack of passion and of aggressivity, some plays not being called as irregular too many times, and so on, is what I can't cope with, I still watch it though, in terms of overall talent the nba is really good right now.
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All I know is if you ask someone from the ages of 13-20, he will tell you that Kobe is the best. You ask someone from 22-32 he'll tell you Jordan was the best & you ask anyone older then that, they'll tell you Bird or Magic were the best.
Everyone wants to hold the title to say they saw the best player ever.
You have to look at the facts though. 20+ years ago, kids didn't have the work ethic of today. These kids are hitting the gym at the ages of 12-13.
LeBron is 6'8'', 250, brolic as fuck & can dribble & pass & play the PG position better then most PG's lol. Never been seen in the NBA before (You can make the argument of Magic) & to me that's not a coincidence, it's just the direction the game is headed. 6'8'' players 20+ years ago were clumsy, centers; not even PFs lol.
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the thing with Magic is he could EVER average in the upper 20's in points - not that he needed to but LEbron can if he needs to
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All I know is if you ask someone from the ages of 13-20, he will tell you that Kobe is the best. You ask someone from 22-32 he'll tell you Jordan was the best & you ask anyone older then that, they'll tell you Bird or Magic were the best.
Everyone wants to hold the title to say they saw the best player ever.
I know plenty of people under 20 that say jordan's the best, people over 20 that say kobe's the best and even under 20 that say bird's the best. I saw all three of them, plus more and I can't say who's the best ever, I know I got players from today in my all time top.
You have to look at the facts though. 20+ years ago, kids didn't have theork ethic of today. These kids are hitting the gym at the ages of 12-13.
LeBron is 6'8'', 250, brolic as fuck & can dribble & pass & play the PG position better then most PG's lol. Never been seen in the NBA before (You can make the argument of Magic) & to me that's not a coincidence, it's just the direction the game is headed. 6'8'' players 20+ years ago were clumsy, centers; not even PFs lol.
I'm looking at the facts, I actually saw all these players play. yeah they're hitting the gym more, different times, different ethics, and don't act like back then they didn't work since high school, college or before lmao, if you brought back players from the 80's they would be all doing that on a regular basis, more players and more often. don't give me all that because it's not like top players nowadays are more athletic than the top from back then, the human body can't even develop that much in so little, it's true that the average player, more players, hit the gym more than back then, on the other hand you can also say they don't got the same fundamentals, basketball work ethic or competitiveness, even skill gets lost with the work they wanna put only in athleticism, so they can be seen as future players and can have all the highlights, trying to work on the skill later, most of the times that don't happen though, also all the glitter and flash they wanna show many times takes away from the rest. it's easier to develop into a great player a guy with average skill but great athleticism than a guy with good skill but no athleticism, no doubt, but that don't happen in most of the cases, the nba was/is turning shitty sometimes also because of that, the best is a combination of both of course.
lebron is a freak of nature with great skill, he would be great and never seen before no matter what era he played on, you're giving me one example. 6'8'' players 20 years ago were clumsy? don't give me that bullshit, it's the 80's/90's not the 50/60's, karl malone clumsy? dominique? magic? barkley? hakeem? bird? and even if centers or even pfs were clumsy they would actually get the job done, unlike today, where you can have them doing crossovers or shooting 3's and don't even come close to the inside players, and inside game, from back then, that's why the league don't even got a handful of good centers.
I don't even like to look at the past, except for when the knicks were winning and in the playoffs lol, and I don't give a damn about all that nostalgia stuff, yeah I got a picture of an old time celtics team, just because they were an amazing team with amazing players playing together, putting aside the rest, just wanting to win.
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the thing with Magic is he could EVER average in the upper 20's in points - not that he needed to but LEbron can if he needs to
people like to compare them because they were/are big and can, or in magic's case he really played, point, but they're not all that similar, like people say they are, in their game. lebron can do that, no doubt, magic could average 13 apg though. magic was a pure pg, lebron can do it also but he's, you can call him, more of a point foward.
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All those 6'8'' people you named (outside of Magic, who I gave credit to), could not dribble like half as good as LeBron. They were athletic, but not LeBron. & you only mentioned the stars, not every team had a star. That's what separated the stars from the average player that most teams had, the athleticism.
& naturally, players will be better if they start conditioning themselves at a younger age.
& then you just started talking about "playing as a team". I'm not getting into the chemistry of this. I'm just saying todays all-stars would win this game.
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All those 6'8'' people you named (outside of Magic, who I gave credit to), could not dribble like half as good as LeBron. They were athletic, but not LeBron. & you only mentioned the stars, not every team had a star. That's what separated the stars from the average player that most teams had, the athleticism.
& naturally, players will be better if they start conditioning themselves at a younger age.
& then you just started talking about "playing as a team". I'm not getting into the chemistry of this. I'm just saying todays all-stars would win this game.
could not dribble half as good? not as good, maybe so, but not even half as good? lmao. pippen? wilkins?... and no player today as big as magic could handle the ball like he could, lebron is the only one close to it, so? talking about lebron this and that, I said lebron would be good and never seen in any era, who else? and I wasn't comparing those players ball handling ability to lebron's, you were the one saying they were all clumsy big men back then, which is ridiculous to say. I only mention the stars? you only mentioning one star, lebron. the athleticism separates the stars from the average player? lol, what about the skill?
players will be better if they have a better combination of athleticism and skill, but you can't make a really great athletic guy with no skill at all or not working on his skill either into a really great player, if you have a guy with not much athleticism as the rest (of course everybody got to be athletic, this is the pro sports we're talking about) you can be really great, as what happened with bird, duncan... you also got to have other things, of course, like desire, ethic and focus but whatever.
I was not mentioning the playing as team thing in the discussion about who would win, I'm basing my opinion on what I saw/see, on pure talent and what players did/do.
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Rose/Paul/Rondo
Kobe/D-Wade off the bench
LeBron/Durant/Melo
Duncan/KG
Dwight/Amare
vs.
Stockton
Jordan/Drexler
Pippen
Barkley/Malone
Hakeem/Robinson
The only reason you're shocked to think that today's game would win because you're probably in your mid to late twenties & watched all those guys play & all those guys on the older team have some sort of legacy tied to their name that today's players are going to inevitably get.
You can say what you want about Stockon, but we have the PG position covered; I didn't even use Nash or Deron. Yeah, you got Jordan. But Kobe Bryant is pretty amazing if you ask me lol. Some already dispute that Kobe is better. We own you at the SF position. If you got back to like 2002-2003, KG & Timmy could be the two best PF's to ever play the game. You take the center position but we're beyond athletic at that position.
Even if we didn't win the game (which would surprise me), we wouldn't get blown out.
You wanna play this game? Let's start then. 1990/1991 vs 2010/2011. Your team is:
Rose/Paul/Rondo
Kobe/D-Wade off the bench
LeBron/Durant/Melo
Duncan/KG
Dwight/Amare
I'll pick mine then:
PG: Magic/Isiah/Kevin Johnson
SG: MJ/Clyde
SF: Nique/Pip
PF: Malone/Barkley
C: Hakeem/Robinson/Ewing
Like you see I don't even use Stock. I'll let Magic handle it from here. You got PG covered? Really? I'll start with slightly past his prime Magic but my 19.4 points, 12.5 assists, and 7.0 rebounds per game is enough I think. I also got the advantage in size and passing ability so I really don't know where your ownage is. Yeah, your guy is faster but I can go with Isiah instead and we tie in terms of speed but I still own your ass in ball handling so that means - no steals here.
MJ vs Kobe. I'll gave you that it's a close match up but if you wanna play 90/91 vs 10/11 season - I'll say MJ's got the advantage cause he's just entering his very best prime-time while Kobe's slowly leaving his. And I'm still up for the challenge to prove you and everybody else who thinks we're on the same level they're dead wrong. Plus I got the greatest 'will factor' in sports history on my side - that means you'll have to fuckin' kill me if you wanna win against me.
Lebron is a freak of nature - no doubt about it. But just because you build like a fuckin tank dosen't mean you're untouchable. So yeah, I'll start with Pippen against you. But since you don't know - we're playing 90's style b-ball. That means one word your overhyped ass faggots (minus Kobe, KG and Timmy) don't know shit about: DE-FENCE. Strong, tough ass defence of my era. No pussy ass fouls allowed. My man got some expierence here that you can't argue about while your superstar is chocking to death when someone plays 90 feet of defense on him for the full 48 minutes. Don't believe me? Check out series against the Celtics or Magic. Your hero looked pathetic in those games and failed hard. Nuff said. Back to the game tho - yeah you owe me in scoring etc. but I would use Pip just to crush your sorry ass like he did Mark Jackson in 1998 series. But I can also play you using 'The Human Highlight Film". Now we're tie in jumping ability and the so-called 'athletic creativity' and we're pretty close in points and rebounds. Now we got Duncan/KG duo against Malone/Barkley. Again, playing 90/91 season against 10/11 my guys are entering their prime while your players are past theirs. Starting Barkley you'll own me in mid-range game that's why I'll go with Malone making 29 points, 12 rebounds per game while shooting 53% from the field with one of the best mid-range jumpers in history if your talking about a Power Forward position. Now the center spot. Your 'beyong athletic'? Really? I'll start with David Robinson then and please tell me - what can your fake ass Superman do superior to the Admiral? Dunks? Rebounds? It's a tie in all those spots but I'll tell you where I got the advantage against your guy. I take scoring ability easily as any of my trio shits on your ass in points, plus I'll make you look like a fool with my post moves and mid-range game - the area where you really sucks. And I don't even have to go with Hakeem there cause he would himiliate and embarrass you in the paint area making you look pathetic. I can go with either one of the trio and it's my smooth jumpers against your mid-range bricks.
So it's really I who would be surprised if your team would ever came close homeboy. The NBA today should stay for NO BASKETBALL ALLOWED - case closed.
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Dude, the 90-91 vs. 10-11 game would be in the advantage of today's team.
PG. Magic Johnson vs. Chris Paul
Well this looks like a Magic Johnson win, it's the bench that today's players take it. Rose, Rondo and Williams vs. Stockton and Kevin Johnson. Magic Johnson never averaged over 38 minutes a game in any season. Magic was great, fast pace but needed his back ups. And the 90-91 team doesn't supply that back up needed to hold off the wave of point guards todays players have. Edge: Today
SG. Michael Jordan vs. Kobe Bryant
The sexiest match up you can ask for. You have Kobe who is leaving his prime vs. a Michael Jordan who is not quite in his yet. Kobe at this point is a great defender, MJ is the dynamic scorer. You might not get much to the bench, but if needed D-Wade, who might match up better against this MJ, and Drexler waiting. Even: Even
SF. Scottie Pippen vs. LeBron James
Pippen is a great defender, might be better than Ron Artest and LBJ has fits with Artest. BUT this year, this year LBJ is on another level. I have never seen LBJ as good as this season, his on a level that I think Pippen could not stop. Dominique and Worthy I also don't think can stop LBJ. Now we know this year LBJ hates going over 40 minutes too, so Durant and Melo are back there, and will also give everyone fits. Edge: Today
PF. Charles Barkley vs. Pau Gasol
Gasol is the best big man today, but his not ready for a Barkley in his absolute prime. In the early 90's, Barkley was a BEAST. Good thing the greatest PF ever, Tim Duncan and the Big Ticket KG are right behind. Duncan and KG at this point in their careers will be ready for Barkley. Gasol might start but he might get limited minutes. Behind Barkley is Malone. At this point in his career, Malone is entering his prime, but he scores many off plays call for him, Malone at this point was not great at creating points for himself. So well Barkley eats Gasol, the bench again gives this match up to ... Edge: Today
C. Patrick Ewing vs. Dwight Howard
This would be a classic bang battle down low. Howard I would argue can bang with the greatest ever, and he'd have fun doing it. Behind Dwight though is Amare, and Amare is coming into his own in this season as a down low presents, his not at the level of Ewing, and Robinson. I'm not putting Hakeem on the 90-91 team, because something named Kevin Duckworth was on the all star team, not Hakeem. Still, Ewing and Robinson provide enough down low to handle today's centers. Edge: Past
Overall the edge is today. It's a deeper league, more quality players, and more quality all stars. You have the right mix of winners who still win (Kobe, KG, Duncan) and young talent (Blake, Durant, Rose) and players in their absolute prime (LBJ, D-Wade, Dwight, Rondo, CP3) were in 90-91 you have few in their primes (MJ, Pippen, Barkley) a few who's best days were behind (Magic, Isiah, Bird, McHale, Parish, Worthy) and many not ready for prime time yet (Malone, Hakeem, Kevin Johnson).
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Pippen is a great defender, might be better than Ron Artest
LMFAO! I'd stop reading after this one. Are we talking about the so-called "super elite defender" who got totally OWNED by a 40-year old MJ playing with a bad knee when he was in his 'athletic prime' couple of years ago? You compare that trash to Pip's defensive skills ??? LOL! GTFOH with this bullshit!
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Pippen is a great defender, might be better than Ron Artest
LMFAO! I'd stop reading after this one. Are we talking about the so-called "super elite defender" who got totally OWNED by a 40-year old MJ playing with a bad knee when he was in his 'athletic prime' couple of years ago? You compare that trash to Pip's defensive skills ??? LOL! GTFOH with this bullshit!
It's a way of putting into context that Pippen will be the strongest defender LeBron has seen.