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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: thugged out on January 23, 2011, 02:19:26 PM
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i just noticed that everytime a rapper gets compared to pac( dmx,50,jim jones, ja rule,nas) its a east coast rapper. why do u think they wanna be like pac instead of making more biggie or jay-z influenced music. its like how yukmouth said how the east coast niggaz wanna be like pac just wondering what do yall think about this. n why isnt pacs influenced heard in west coast rappers? the east has the artist i mentioned in rappers from the south like no limit,young jeezy,trick daddy,young buck etc are all heavily pac influenced. i aint complaining just wondering are the east n the south his biggest markets?
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tha realest is from texas
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because pac is an east coast cat who just vacationed out west
plus, there's actual reasons why 50, ja, and nas have been related to pac.
ja for one pretended to be him.
50 beefed in a similar fashion to pac and even recorded some of his music and upon blowing up has referenced him
nas and pac had minor issues over artist creativity and "stealing" song concepts.
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Cause he was from the EastCoast
Fuck Pac
It's all about Spider, Cube, & Eazy
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he didn't influence shit.
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he didn't influence shit.
lmao whats wit the pac haters pac is the most influental rapper if u dont agree u on crack
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Cause he was from the EastCoast
Fuck Pac
It's all about Spider, Cube, & Eazy
shut the fuck up them niggaz wish they was on pac level especially spider lmao
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Cause he was from the EastCoast
Fuck Pac
It's all about Spider, Cube, & Eazy
shut the fuck up them niggaz wish they was on pac level especially spider lmao
eazy pass pac and so is cube. cube was pass pac when boyz in the hood came out imo.
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r u serious? cube influenced pac heavily but they aint greater then pac or better pac is a whole nother level
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r u serious? cube influenced pac heavily but they aint greater then pac or better pac is a whole nother level
that's bullshit. pure bullshit.
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its bullshit to think that eazy-e is better than pac lmao n cube wow pac was everythang cube wanted to be the black panther of rap
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its bullshit to think that eazy-e is better than pac lmao n cube wow pac was everythang cube wanted to be the black panther of rap
eazy created a dynasty. what the fuck did pac create but controversy ? ice did the the same thing eazy did create a dynasty. eazy laid the foundation for pac to make the type of music he made.
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Pac once said, Im eastcoast born, but WESTCOAST raised. Pac being born in the EAST has shit to do with what he felt, especially when his family moved from place to place. Went from New York, to Baltimore, to California. He actually finished High School in Cali. Oh yeah, his rapping career also started on the WEST COAST, with Digital Underground. In his second album, he already had guys like Cube and Ice-t in his albums and in his THUG LIFE album he started his first group which included BIG SYKE who is a well known Inglewood native. Big Syke always said he influenced PAC in many ways. Not necessarily bad but introduced him to the WEST COAST culture. This is before he even started the OUTLAWS which also included Cali native Young Noble and combination of East coast kats. Nothing about 2Pac makes me think he is EASTCOAST. He is a WESTCOAST legend, who wanted to LIVE and DIE in LA. He continuously stated how he loved LA and lifestyle in interviews. How many fucken times did he throw up that W?? If you want to argue he is EASTCOAST because he was born therer, than Xzibit nor Kurupt are WESTCOAST either right? NOPE!!! It's not where your born but what you feel and love most. It's not like Pac lived a year in LA haha. He almost lived a DECADE in CAli.
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cube> pac
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I guess on the westcoast rappers could see through Pac and see the influences he incorporated in his raps... so he didn't seem so larger than life. to me Pac is first and foremost a Bay Area dude, that's where he came up musically wise and that's where he spent his teenage years, which are arguably the most critical in forming someone's style... like he said in "Gaffled Like That" with The Gov& Richie Rich "you're fucking with a oakland OG". Ray Luv said that they were heavily bumpin Mac Dre when they were both coming up... and he had also influences in southern cali, hanging around with Syke, being around Death Row etc. now we all know how bay rap gets no radio play on the east... so when Pac was adding his own twist to his influences, that must have been something unheard of on the east... plus i guess some critically praised cats, or some popular cats period idolized and envied his larger than life charisma.
There are a few rappers that you can see Pac heavily influenced in the West : Messy Marv, Guce, Yukmouth, Daz.
But I think the main reason is that the people that bite 2pac a lot are people that either never met Pac or that Pac wasn't fucking with. SO they tend to idolize and idealize him more. Like in the South, Master P tried to rhyme like Pac a lot, and even bought verses after he died, and you can see how Pac influenced him... well P used to open for Pac when P was based in the Bay and it is said that Pac used to laugh at P and didn't fuck with him (Young Dre talks about it in an interview) when he was fucking with all the other major acts from Northern Cali like E-40, Spice 1, Richie Rich, Rappin' 4-Tay, Mac Mall or C-Bo.
The people who knew Pac must probably be aware that 2pac wasn't nothing like he said he was in his songs but still had mad love for him...
so it aint an east/west thing, it's just that the artists 2pac was friends with didn't bite him and the other who wanted to kick it with him but couldnt (nas, master p), or just didn't know him (ja) tried to emulate him so ppl could think they were like him. I mean it's also relevant for artists like Lil Wayne, T.i. or Trae... every hot artist drops a featuring with Pac or shouts him out in his lyrics...
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For the record, Young Noble is not a Cali native - you got some false info bro.
"But I'm from Jerz where we don't play that shit" - Noble on Makaveli's Bomb First
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Cause he was from the EastCoast
Fuck Pac
It's all about Spider, Cube, & Eazy
classic westcoast post
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The artists mentioned aren't necessarily people who were compared to Pac on a music level. 50 was compared to Pac because of the controversies and maybe the work ethic. Thing is Pac's origins are very East Coast. His flow is more raw and rugged like a New York rapper. Biggie had a more of a Southern Cali vibe to his music than Pac for the most part. Pac was definitely loved in L.A. but his sound din't resemble what LA music sounded like at that time.
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Tupac is dead, I don't think of him at all.
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i love threads like these that rally up all the pac groupies
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he didn't influence shit.
just go ask Crooked I that lmao
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For the record, Young Noble is not a Cali native - you got some false info bro.
"But I'm from Jerz where we don't play that shit" - Noble on Makaveli's Bomb First
every Outlaw member is from Jersey except for Pac (Marin City/Bay Area) and Big Syke (Inglewood)
and Mopreme...not sure what state he reps to be honest but it's not Jersey to my knowledge
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It would help if all of the 2pac stans at least knew their hero's biography. Google is your friend. No city or even region can really claim him. And that includes desperate Bay Area stans. If there was ever a rapper who was from nowhere and everywhere at the same time it was 2pac. At 15 he moved to Baltimore from NY. 2 years later he moved to marin county where he stayed less than 4 years. In 92 he moved down to LA, then to Atlanta a year later. Obviously after Suge bailed him out of jail, he moved back to LA. Less than a year later he was dead.
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It would help if all of the 2pac stans at least knew their hero's biography. Google is your friend. No city or even region can really claim him. And that includes desperate Bay Area stans. If there was ever a rapper who was from nowhere and everywhere at the same time it was 2pac. At 15 he moved to Baltimore from NY. 2 years later he moved to marin county where he stayed less than 4 years. In 92 he moved down to LA, then to Atlanta a year later. Obviously after Suge bailed him out of jail, he moved back to LA. Less than a year later he was dead.
well Pac never started a serious rap career until he reached Cali
Pac blew up through Shock G/DU in the early 90s so associating him with the west coast is valid
but Baltimore (the early years) and living in NYC and Atlanta is valid for calling him eastcoast.
either way i could care less...the man was best on any coast to me and that's all I care about.
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I think that he was not influential at all....it just that his name rhymes with alot of words so his name gets put in raps when they need to rhyme something
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fuck Pac
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It would help if all of the 2pac stans at least knew their hero's biography. Google is your friend. No city or even region can really claim him. And that includes desperate Bay Area stans. If there was ever a rapper who was from nowhere and everywhere at the same time it was 2pac. At 15 he moved to Baltimore from NY. 2 years later he moved to marin county where he stayed less than 4 years. In 92 he moved down to LA, then to Atlanta a year later. Obviously after Suge bailed him out of jail, he moved back to LA. Less than a year later he was dead.
yeah you absolutely right about the timeline. i was just stressing his bay area days 'cause to me it's a significant part of him that is almost always overlooked. (ps : i guess u were talking about me i'm no bay area stan and 2pac is not my hero, not even in my top 5, i'm just trying to be accurate)
2pac says it better than me http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVEfN2HEwWs
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i love threads like these that rally up all the pac groupies
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he didn't influence shit.
lmao whats wit the pac haters pac is the most influental rapper if u dont agree u on crack
hell yeah fuck that pac-haters talking some shit they dont know shit about.
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For the record, Young Noble is not a Cali native - you got some false info bro.
"But I'm from Jerz where we don't play that shit" - Noble on Makaveli's Bomb First
Maybe he claiming Jersey but i remember him saying he was BORN in cali. Maybe i heard wrong. Don't really matter anyways.
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The artists mentioned aren't necessarily people who were compared to Pac on a music level. 50 was compared to Pac because of the controversies and maybe the work ethic. Thing is Pac's origins are very East Coast. His flow is more raw and rugged like a New York rapper. Biggie had a more of a Southern Cali vibe to his music than Pac for the most part. Pac was definitely loved in L.A. but his sound din't resemble what LA music sounded like at that time.
What the fuck??? HAHA how the fuck was BIGGIE west coast style?? Your are deaf homie. 2Pac had NO new york flow at all, especially considering how much he gets criticized for not being a "LYRICIST" compared to guys like Biggie or NAS. Crooked I said it best once, people thinking 2Pac was eastcoast are straight ignorant.
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i love threads like these that rally up all the pac groupies
Yeah me too hahaha. lets rally up all the anti-PAC groupies too.
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It would help if all of the 2pac stans at least knew their hero's biography. Google is your friend. No city or even region can really claim him. And that includes desperate Bay Area stans. If there was ever a rapper who was from nowhere and everywhere at the same time it was 2pac. At 15 he moved to Baltimore from NY. 2 years later he moved to marin county where he stayed less than 4 years. In 92 he moved down to LA, then to Atlanta a year later. Obviously after Suge bailed him out of jail, he moved back to LA. Less than a year later he was dead.
well Pac never started a serious rap career until he reached Cali
Pac blew up through Shock G/DU in the early 90s so associating him with the west coast is valid
but Baltimore (the early years) and living in NYC and Atlanta is valid for calling him eastcoast.
either way i could care less...the man was best on any coast to me and that's all I care about.
I agree with the guy stating that he was from everywhere, that was exactly my point went I said he moved from place to place. But what I find so hilarious, is that EVERYONE wants to label him EAST or WEST with statements like "ut Baltimore (the early years) and living in NYC and Atlanta is valid for calling him eastcoast", but not taking in consideration what 2PAC HIMSELF claimed hahaha. I don't give a shit where he is born, I base my shit on what the dude claims ya dig? How the fuck am I going to say, "Nah dawg you don't love LA homie, you love baltimore, even though i never met you in my life" hahaha. If the man says, WESTSIDE and considering his background, I think the case is closed don't you think? Plus ATL is not even EASt, it's the SOUTH.
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For the record, Young Noble is not a Cali native - you got some false info bro.
"But I'm from Jerz where we don't play that shit" - Noble on Makaveli's Bomb First
Rufus Cooper III better know as young Noble was born in Sierra Madre, California on March 31, 1978. Noble grew up with his mother Ellene, his twin sister, Keisha, and his brother, Shawn Furr. His mother was on drugs for the first 15 years of his life and his father, Rufus L. Cooper II, wasn't there for him. They lived in Altadena, California until his brother got into trouble with the law and was forced to leave the state.
I think my records were legit bro.
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The artists mentioned aren't necessarily people who were compared to Pac on a music level. 50 was compared to Pac because of the controversies and maybe the work ethic. Thing is Pac's origins are very East Coast. His flow is more raw and rugged like a New York rapper. Biggie had a more of a Southern Cali vibe to his music than Pac for the most part. Pac was definitely loved in L.A. but his sound din't resemble what LA music sounded like at that time.
What the fuck??? HAHA how the fuck was BIGGIE west coast style?? Your are deaf homie. 2Pac had NO new york flow at all, especially considering how much he gets criticized for not being a "LYRICIST" compared to guys like Biggie or NAS. Crooked I said it best once, people thinking 2Pac was eastcoast are straight ignorant.
wasn't he born in new york......and you say he had no new york flow? you got to be one of the stupidest dudes around
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What the fuck??? HAHA how the fuck was BIGGIE west coast style?? Your are deaf homie. 2Pac had NO new york flow at all, especially considering how much he gets criticized for not being a "LYRICIST" compared to guys like Biggie or NAS. Crooked I said it best once, people thinking 2Pac was eastcoast are straight ignorant.
Well, you can be a lyricist and be from anywhere. I'm talking about him having an aggressive flow like Onyx or a harder-based New York rapper. Him and Stretch, his partner from Thug Life, have a similar flow. That's not a California flow. Now for my comments on Biggie, when I say he has a Sothern Cali vibe to his music, he can flip and do very smooth, laid-back flows like a Snoop or Warren G. Even when Pac was on Death Row, he very rarely did that. My point in all of this returns to the original thread. The reason so many New York cats are so called, influenced, by Pac is because Pac was from New York. Pac obviously repped the West in his final years and the region's influence on his career is undeniable but thinking 2Pac was East Coast isn't ignorant, it's fairly accurate. He lived on the East for the majority of his life. He was born and raised in New York. His first rap handle was "MC New York".
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The artists mentioned aren't necessarily people who were compared to Pac on a music level. 50 was compared to Pac because of the controversies and maybe the work ethic. Thing is Pac's origins are very East Coast. His flow is more raw and rugged like a New York rapper. Biggie had a more of a Southern Cali vibe to his music than Pac for the most part. Pac was definitely loved in L.A. but his sound din't resemble what LA music sounded like at that time.
What the fuck??? HAHA how the fuck was BIGGIE west coast style?? Your are deaf homie. 2Pac had NO new york flow at all, especially considering how much he gets criticized for not being a "LYRICIST" compared to guys like Biggie or NAS. Crooked I said it best once, people thinking 2Pac was eastcoast are straight ignorant.
wasn't he born in new york......and you say he had no new york flow? you got to be one of the stupidest dudes around
Oh my bad, I didn't know that if you are born in NEW YORK you AUTOMATICALLY inherit a New York flow hahahaha. Speaking of STUPID.
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What the fuck??? HAHA how the fuck was BIGGIE west coast style?? Your are deaf homie. 2Pac had NO new york flow at all, especially considering how much he gets criticized for not being a "LYRICIST" compared to guys like Biggie or NAS. Crooked I said it best once, people thinking 2Pac was eastcoast are straight ignorant.
Well, you can be a lyricist and be from anywhere. I'm talking about him having an aggressive flow like Onyx or a harder-based New York rapper. Him and Stretch, his partner from Thug Life, have a similar flow. That's not a California flow. Now for my comments on Biggie, when I say he has a Sothern Cali vibe to his music, he can flip and do very smooth, laid-back flows like a Snoop or Warren G. Even when Pac was on Death Row, he very rarely did that. My point in all of this returns to the original thread. The reason so many New York cats are so called, influenced, by Pac is because Pac was from New York. Pac obviously repped the West in his final years and the region's influence on his career is undeniable but thinking 2Pac was East Coast isn't ignorant, it's fairly accurate. He lived on the East for the majority of his life. He was born and raised in New York. His first rap handle was "MC New York".
I completely agree with you that you can be a lyricist and be from anywhere but the comparison with 2Pac and Onyx is not accurate bro. If you want to compare their aggressive style than maybe, but not flow or rhymes. When i say 2Pac always gets criticized for not being a lyricist is because his form of rhyming was not the same. NY kats pride themselves for having a GREATER amount of lyricist than any other region. Not saying you will not find great lyricist here in the WEST but you will find less. WHY? HIP HOP is a culture in NY, so you see more numbers. SHit, the fucken liquor store owner will probably rhyme and the barber. Meanwhile we are preoccupied with gang violence. NOw that don't mean that we wont murder everyone in NY. Crooked I for example can compete with anyone, anytime. Onyx is a straight EAST COAST STYLE RHYMER. 2Pac rhymes were more simple but because he was more of a POET. 2Pac skill came more from his message, metaphors, analogies, poetry more than actual LYRICAL SKILL. Compare Nas first album to PAC's? NOOOTHING alike. It's hard for me to explain what i mean, but you have to dissect the bars and how they rhyme. 2Pac did not have an east coast style at all. At least not in RHYME. I also agree that Notorious had the ability to be very smooth and have a west coast vibe to it but you can;t just base it on FLOW brother. Analyze the rhymes!! Biggie was know for his slow flow, but that did not make him westcoast. Biggie was a better lyricist than PAC. 2Pac himself would say that Kurupt was the best lyricist in DEATH ROW. Kurupt has always been my favorite because he ad a unique blend of Lyricism and West coast style. We all know kurupt was born in Philly. Biggi once said Kurupt was the best in the West as well but Kurupt would easily blend in with East coast kats because of his Lyrical ability. 2Pac is from New York because he was BORN in NEW YORK but HE DID NOT CLAIM IT. That's my point dawg. So yes it's not ignorant to say he is FROM NY but it is ignorant to say Pac was not WESTCOAST.
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he didn't influence shit.
lmao whats wit the pac haters pac is the most influental rapper if u dont agree u on crack
you've been chillin wit afeni huh ?
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It would help if all of the 2pac stans at least knew their hero's biography. Google is your friend. No city or even region can really claim him. And that includes desperate Bay Area stans. If there was ever a rapper who was from nowhere and everywhere at the same time it was 2pac. At 15 he moved to Baltimore from NY. 2 years later he moved to marin county where he stayed less than 4 years. In 92 he moved down to LA, then to Atlanta a year later. Obviously after Suge bailed him out of jail, he moved back to LA. Less than a year later he was dead.
im talking biters in his influnce not where the nigga was from
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I think that he was not influential at all....it just that his name rhymes with alot of words so his name gets put in raps when they need to rhyme something
if u gon hate on a nigga at least be realistic.everybody knows pac was the most influental rapper every rapper tries to emulate or take something from him ja rule,50,jeezy,jim jones,eminem,nas,no limit,young buck,trick daddy, j.cole u name em pac birthed em.n thee niggaz admit it and act like the so-called pac stans yall got a problem wit.
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I guess on the westcoast rappers could see through Pac and see the influences he incorporated in his raps... so he didn't seem so larger than life. to me Pac is first and foremost a Bay Area dude, that's where he came up musically wise and that's where he spent his teenage years, which are arguably the most critical in forming someone's style... like he said in "Gaffled Like That" with The Gov& Richie Rich "you're fucking with a oakland OG". Ray Luv said that they were heavily bumpin Mac Dre when they were both coming up... and he had also influences in southern cali, hanging around with Syke, being around Death Row etc. now we all know how bay rap gets no radio play on the east... so when Pac was adding his own twist to his influences, that must have been something unheard of on the east... plus i guess some critically praised cats, or some popular cats period idolized and envied his larger than life charisma.
There are a few rappers that you can see Pac heavily influenced in the West : Messy Marv, Guce, Yukmouth, Daz.
But I think the main reason is that the people that bite 2pac a lot are people that either never met Pac or that Pac wasn't fucking with. SO they tend to idolize and idealize him more. Like in the South, Master P tried to rhyme like Pac a lot, and even bought verses after he died, and you can see how Pac influenced him... well P used to open for Pac when P was based in the Bay and it is said that Pac used to laugh at P and didn't fuck with him (Young Dre talks about it in an interview) when he was fucking with all the other major acts from Northern Cali like E-40, Spice 1, Richie Rich, Rappin' 4-Tay, Mac Mall or C-Bo.
The people who knew Pac must probably be aware that 2pac wasn't nothing like he said he was in his songs but still had mad love for him...
so it aint an east/west thing, it's just that the artists 2pac was friends with didn't bite him and the other who wanted to kick it with him but couldnt (nas, master p), or just didn't know him (ja) tried to emulate him so ppl could think they were like him. I mean it's also relevant for artists like Lil Wayne, T.i. or Trae... every hot artist drops a featuring with Pac or shouts him out in his lyrics...
yeah the bay made pac it was like pacs chuck d style got mixed wit some spice-1 shit n it was perfect.
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The artists mentioned aren't necessarily people who were compared to Pac on a music level. 50 was compared to Pac because of the controversies and maybe the work ethic. Thing is Pac's origins are very East Coast. His flow is more raw and rugged like a New York rapper. Biggie had a more of a Southern Cali vibe to his music than Pac for the most part. Pac was definitely loved in L.A. but his sound din't resemble what LA music sounded like at that time.
What the fuck??? HAHA how the fuck was BIGGIE west coast style?? Your are deaf homie. 2Pac had NO new york flow at all, especially considering how much he gets criticized for not being a "LYRICIST" compared to guys like Biggie or NAS. Crooked I said it best once, people thinking 2Pac was eastcoast are straight ignorant.
wasn't he born in new york......and you say he had no new york flow? you got to be one of the stupidest dudes around
Oh my bad, I didn't know that if you are born in NEW YORK you AUTOMATICALLY inherit a New York flow hahahaha. Speaking of STUPID.
lol yeah he aint sound ny to me i mean i can hear people like chuck-d, big daddy kane and stretch n his raps but he dont sound east coast that much.people often say pac had a southern flow for some reason. guess cuz people like scarface,willie d,big mike,erc had a somewat similar flow/voice 2 him. n then rappers that came after pac like z-ro,trick daddy,young buck,no limit all tried to rhyme like pac. so i guess that why he gets group with the south flow- wise. i think his flow dont belong to no coast it had a lil bit of everything in it.
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I also think that most of the rappers that get compared to Pac have been highly successful at some time in their career.
Since the g-funk era there haven't been any really successful rappers except for Game and Snoop.
Yeah I said it.
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Why is there so many Pac haters in this bitch? Pac groupies? Hell nah! The man is dead and people still talking shit! All them East Caost cats bite off of Pac Jay-Z Naz, DMX, JA, ect. the man did influitence alot of peeps but puting him on Eazy's and Cubes laval?? I mean they all are pioneers and did thier shit before Pac. A differnt time a dfferent sound. Its like compairing todays top artist with Run DMC shit changes and its a total differnt sound! Eazy is the God Father of Gangster rap, Pac came after but wasn't a Gangster he just made songs for the people to feel and relate too. He was real in his raps. Ain't nothing wrong with that and thats why he made a big impact and people bite him from time to time