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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: TraceOneInfinite on February 07, 2011, 07:01:29 PM
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The Chiefs are my team only because I've had the unfortunate experience of being raised in Kansas City. But after the Chiefs my favorite team of All-Time was the Buffalo Bills. Here's some of the most memorable moments from the Bills 90's Era for me, and Shallow, I hope you can help me out on this one...
-When the Bills destroyed the LA Raiders in the AFC Championship Game the first year they went to the Superbowl. They had something like 40 points by halftime. Even when the Raiders were lucky enough to get a turnover in the first half, Darryl Talley intercepted it right back and took it all the way in for a touchdown.
-Losing in the greatest Superbowl ever played, against the Giants back in 91'. During the heat of the Gulf War, who can forget that one. I was in 3rd grade then. The Bills appeared unstoppable but the Giants were able to go on the longest scoring drive I've ever seen, and able to sloooowww down the game and keep the great Bills offense off the field long enough to win. And who can forget the "wide right" kick by Norwood.
-Thurman Thomas not being able to find his helmet in the first quarter against the Redskins. The Bills were once again an unstoppable and dominant team in their second Superbowl, but they just ran up against the Redskins at the wrong time, and guys like QB Mark Rypien were playing out of their mind during that season. It was just bad timing for the Bills that year, and the next two years they had to play a great Cowboys team as well.
-Beating Joe Montana and the Chiefs in the AFC championship game in 93/94 season. Montana got knocked out of the game early in the second half, and the Chiefs never recovered and ended up being blown out.
-The Bills amazing come from behind victory against the Houston Oilers, lead by Frank Riech they made possibly the greatest comeback in NFL history.
-Thurman Thomas doing it all, running, recieving, blocking.
-The Bills "no huddle" rapid fire offense that would go up and down the field in a matter of just a few plays
-Andre Reed, the white boy Don Beebe, James Lofton; great recievers
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thanks Bills for giving my Giants our 2nd superbowl with your idiot Norwood
who i think they kept for one more year before he attempted suicide and the bullet missed
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thanks Bills for giving my Giants our 2nd superbowl with your idiot Norwood
who i think they kept for one more year before he attempted suicide and the bullet missed
The Giants got lucky
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thanks Bills for giving my Giants our 2nd superbowl with your idiot Norwood
who i think they kept for one more year before he attempted suicide and the bullet missed
The Giants got lucky
They're always getting lucky in Superbowls.
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I'll add a late 90s memory; Flutie had come in for the injured Johnson and it was the first or second game with Flutie as a starter and everyone was still wondering what would happen when Johnson returned. It was a 4th and 16 run by Flutie for the first and then a score for the Bills win. Since I was a Bills fan from Toronto it was very special to see the recent Grey Cup champ start and succeed in Buffalo.
The next season the stupidest coaching decision of all time occurred when Flutie, who took the struggling Bills to the play offs again, was bench in favour of Johnson because Wade thought it felt right. To this day I think we would have won it all that year. The defense was solid with Wade Phillips as HC and the Magic Flutie was our x factor. The Titans barely beat us with Rob Johnson, and the Rams barely beat the Titans. The Bills with Flutie had a real shot. And what would have been the greatest day in Buffalo history never got to happen.
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thanks Bills for giving my Giants our 2nd superbowl with your idiot Norwood
who i think they kept for one more year before he attempted suicide and the bullet missed
The Giants got lucky
They're always getting lucky in Superbowls.
They got very lucky that the only 18-0 team in history had a hack at QB. Because if they played against a stud who knew how to throw a proper long ball then the open Moss would have ended the game with a TD. Those lucky Giants.
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lol @ being LUCKY when you had a backup starting QB in Jeff Hostetler
HOW MANY OTHER SB CHAMPS HAVE WON WITH A NEW/BACKUP QB LATE IN THE SEASON?
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lol @ being LUCKY when you had a backup starting QB in Jeff Hostetler
HOW MANY OTHER SB CHAMPS HAVE WON WITH A NEW/BACKUP QB LATE IN THE SEASON?
It wasn't luck. The Bills defense just got nervous I guess and couldn't wrap up tackles. A couple of those long drives could have ended in a few places if these guys just finished a tackle. That's why the defense never blamed Norwood. They new it was on them as well.
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thanks Bills for giving my Giants our 2nd superbowl with your idiot Norwood
who i think they kept for one more year before he attempted suicide and the bullet missed
The Giants got lucky
They're always getting lucky in Superbowls.
They got very lucky that the only 18-0 team in history had a hack at QB. Because if they played against a stud who knew how to throw a proper long ball then the open Moss would have ended the game with a TD. Those lucky Giants.
It's so easy to go 18-0. Ya boy couldn't even do that. :laugh:
They lost that game, then Eli closed his eyes spun around & Tyree saved his ass.
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lol @ being LUCKY when you had a backup starting QB in Jeff Hostetler
HOW MANY OTHER SB CHAMPS HAVE WON WITH A NEW/BACKUP QB LATE IN THE SEASON?
Hostetler was awesome that year. He was a true competitor. I actually think the Bills would of had a better chance against Simms in that Superbowl. But clearly the Bills let that one get away. Their next 3 Superbowls they were underdogs, that was the year they should of won
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I'll add a late 90s memory; Flutie had come in for the injured Johnson and it was the first or second game with Flutie as a starter and everyone was still wondering what would happen when Johnson returned. It was a 4th and 16 run by Flutie for the first and then a score for the Bills win. Since I was a Bills fan from Toronto it was very special to see the recent Grey Cup champ start and succeed in Buffalo.
The next season the stupidest coaching decision of all time occurred when Flutie, who took the struggling Bills to the play offs again, was bench in favour of Johnson because Wade thought it felt right. To this day I think we would have won it all that year. The defense was solid with Wade Phillips as HC and the Magic Flutie was our x factor. The Titans barely beat us with Rob Johnson, and the Rams barely beat the Titans. The Bills with Flutie had a real shot. And what would have been the greatest day in Buffalo history never got to happen.
Forgot the Bills were still that good by the late 90's. Any holdover stars from the early 90's that were still on that team? Was Thurman or Bruce Smith still around?
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thanks Bills for giving my Giants our 2nd superbowl with your idiot Norwood
who i think they kept for one more year before he attempted suicide and the bullet missed
The Giants got lucky
They're always getting lucky in Superbowls.
They got very lucky that the only 18-0 team in history had a hack at QB. Because if they played against a stud who knew how to throw a proper long ball then the open Moss would have ended the game with a TD. Those lucky Giants.
It's so easy to go 18-0. Ya boy couldn't even do that. :laugh:
They lost that game, then Eli closed his eyes spun around & Tyree saved his ass.
Not even Manning can go 18-0 from the bench. He tried, but it didn't work. Caldwell got in the way. The difference is that had they let Cassel finish off the last two games the Pats still would have been 18-0 going into the SB.
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I'll add a late 90s memory; Flutie had come in for the injured Johnson and it was the first or second game with Flutie as a starter and everyone was still wondering what would happen when Johnson returned. It was a 4th and 16 run by Flutie for the first and then a score for the Bills win. Since I was a Bills fan from Toronto it was very special to see the recent Grey Cup champ start and succeed in Buffalo.
The next season the stupidest coaching decision of all time occurred when Flutie, who took the struggling Bills to the play offs again, was bench in favour of Johnson because Wade thought it felt right. To this day I think we would have won it all that year. The defense was solid with Wade Phillips as HC and the Magic Flutie was our x factor. The Titans barely beat us with Rob Johnson, and the Rams barely beat the Titans. The Bills with Flutie had a real shot. And what would have been the greatest day in Buffalo history never got to happen.
Forgot the Bills were still that good by the late 90's. Any holdover stars from the early 90's that were still on that team? Was Thurman or Bruce Smith still around?
A few. Bruce Smith was there, but it was Antowain Smith at RB getting most of the touches.
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in 92 i had a buffalo bills starter and when they lost the superbowl i got clowned HARD for it.
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I will never forget that game against the Bills, Bo Jackson was a beast, but was taken out the week before against the Bengals. To this day, I feel that had the Raiders had Bo Jackson, they would have won the whole damn thing that year. True story, the Bo Jackson Raiders were better than the Buffalo Bills. I will never let it die, and I will be honest, as a lifelong Raider fan, I still hold on to that like I still hold on to the Tuck Rule and that fat fuck Tony Siragusa's foul on Rich Gannon. Don't debate me, just know I still hold on to that Raiders/Bills game and say "only if Bo Jackson was there."
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I will never forget that game against the Bills, Bo Jackson was a beast, but was taken out the week before against the Bengals. To this day, I feel that had the Raiders had Bo Jackson, they would have won the whole damn thing that year. True story, the Bo Jackson Raiders were better than the Buffalo Bills. I will never let it die, and I will be honest, as a lifelong Raider fan, I still hold on to that like I still hold on to the Tuck Rule and that fat fuck Tony Siragusa's foul on Rich Gannon. Don't debate me, just know I still hold on to that Raiders/Bills game and say "only if Bo Jackson was there."
Yeah, I forgot that it was against the Bengals the week before that Bo Jackson was injured. I think the Bills played the best football in that AFC Championship game that I have ever seen in my life, so you could give the Raiders Bo Jackson, Joe Montana, and Jerry Rice and they still would of lost that game.
But hey, I'm as upset as you are about Bo Jackson getting injured that game against the Bengals, really, I feel your pain. Don't forget that Bo Jackson also played for the Kansas City Royals! Kind of ironic since the KC Chiefs and Raiders were such rivals. Bo was a huge phenomenon here in KC and I remember my first MLB game I ever went to was to see Bo Jackson play for the Royals. After Michael Jordan he was probably the most electrifying athlete in the world at that time. Remember the back-to-back homers him and Jose Canseco hit in the All-Star game back in the day?
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I will never forget that game against the Bills, Bo Jackson was a beast, but was taken out the week before against the Bengals. To this day, I feel that had the Raiders had Bo Jackson, they would have won the whole damn thing that year. True story, the Bo Jackson Raiders were better than the Buffalo Bills. I will never let it die, and I will be honest, as a lifelong Raider fan, I still hold on to that like I still hold on to the Tuck Rule and that fat fuck Tony Siragusa's foul on Rich Gannon. Don't debate me, just know I still hold on to that Raiders/Bills game and say "only if Bo Jackson was there."
You're talking about the 51-3 loss in the cold Buffalo January? Bo knows a lot of things, but not even Bo knows how to score 7 TDs in one game. You are really reaching here. I remember that game. I mean everything was just aligned for the Bills that day. One the first drive and I remember it well, the Bills score a a TD to a wide open Reed but it's called back for a hold. Then we're at 2nd and goal from like the 20 and Kelly fumbles the snap right in the heart of the pressure, it bounces right back to him, he picks it up, rolls out, and finds and finds a wide open Lofton who runs it in for a TD.
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You're talking about the 51-3 loss in the cold Buffalo January? Bo knows a lot of things, but not even Bo knows how to score 7 TDs in one game. You are really reaching here. I remember that game. I mean everything was just aligned for the Bills that day. One the first drive and I remember it well, the Bills score a a TD to a wide open Reed but it's called back for a hold. Then we're at 2nd and goal from like the 20 and Kelly fumbles the snap right in the heart of the pressure, it bounces right back to him, he picks it up, rolls out, and finds and finds a wide open Lofton who runs it in for a TD.
Even Jesus Christ coming back couldn't have saved the Raiders on that day... and I don't think Jesus Christ could hit a curve ball either, lol
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You're talking about the 51-3 loss in the cold Buffalo January? Bo knows a lot of things, but not even Bo knows how to score 7 TDs in one game. You are really reaching here. I remember that game. I mean everything was just aligned for the Bills that day. One the first drive and I remember it well, the Bills score a a TD to a wide open Reed but it's called back for a hold. Then we're at 2nd and goal from like the 20 and Kelly fumbles the snap right in the heart of the pressure, it bounces right back to him, he picks it up, rolls out, and finds and finds a wide open Lofton who runs it in for a TD.
Even Jesus Christ coming back couldn't have saved the Raiders on that day... and I don't think Jesus Christ could hit a curve ball either, lol
Nah, Jesus could do it, but he would never do that to the good people of Buffalo who just wanted a win. He couldn't help Norwood though. And dto be honest the more I watch that last drive by the Bills the more I blame Kelly for the loss. There was some bad clock management and bad routes ran on that drive. Not a single break to the sideline to stop the clock and way too much time spent between plays eating up the clock. Not to mention that Norwood had a horrible long game with kicks and if you watch the Raiders game and a lot of other ones Norwood had a tendency to drift the ball to the right when when he kicked, so setting him up on the right hash mark was just plain stupid. With 8 seconds they had the time to attempt something to the left sideline, even if it was for a small loss, and worst case an overthrow out of bounds. Because from the left mark, Norwood makes the kick.
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Nah, Jesus could do it, but he would never do that to the good people of Buffalo who just wanted a win. He couldn't help Norwood though. And dto be honest the more I watch that last drive by the Bills the more I blame Kelly for the loss. There was some bad clock management and bad routes ran on that drive. Not a single break to the sideline to stop the clock and way too much time spent between plays eating up the clock. Not to mention that Norwood had a horrible long game with kicks and if you watch the Raiders game and a lot of other ones Norwood had a tendency to drift the ball to the right when when he kicked, so setting him up on the right hash mark was just plain stupid. With 8 seconds they had the time to attempt something to the left sideline, even if it was for a small loss, and worst case an overthrow out of bounds. Because from the left mark, Norwood makes the kick.
Yeah, I actually noticed that too when I watched the old clip of the Raiders game... funny that he missed a kick wide right in the first half of that game as well, in an otherwise flawless performance by the Bills. It was clear that Norwood was the only weak link on that team, then the Bills wised up a couple years later and got Christie, but it was a couple years too late.
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Nah, Jesus could do it, but he would never do that to the good people of Buffalo who just wanted a win. He couldn't help Norwood though. And dto be honest the more I watch that last drive by the Bills the more I blame Kelly for the loss. There was some bad clock management and bad routes ran on that drive. Not a single break to the sideline to stop the clock and way too much time spent between plays eating up the clock. Not to mention that Norwood had a horrible long game with kicks and if you watch the Raiders game and a lot of other ones Norwood had a tendency to drift the ball to the right when when he kicked, so setting him up on the right hash mark was just plain stupid. With 8 seconds they had the time to attempt something to the left sideline, even if it was for a small loss, and worst case an overthrow out of bounds. Because from the left mark, Norwood makes the kick.
Yeah, I actually noticed that too when I watched the old clip of the Raiders game... funny that he missed a kick wide right in the first half of that game as well, in an otherwise flawless performance by the Bills. It was clear that Norwood was the only weak link on that team, then the Bills wised up a couple years later and got Christie, but it was a couple years too late.
Still, Norwood was a fantastic kicker under 40 yards and Kelly should have known he drifts to the right, so calling a run play to the right with that little time was a bad move. A run play to to the left may have given them a ring. Norwood didn't do anything he didn't normally do. Kelly was the leader and the playcaller and he wasn't thinking.
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funny how the Bills havent made the playoffs since '99
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funny how the Bills havent made the playoffs since '99
I wish he had Tom Brady.
I really do because nothing would please me more than watching him stink it up for two years, get cut, and then end up in Dallas where he gets replaced by Tony Romo. He probably would have ended up holding Peyton's clip board the last few years.
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funny how the Bills havent made the playoffs since '99
I wish he had Tom Brady.
I really do because nothing would please me more than watching him stink it up for two years, get cut, and then end up in Dallas where he gets replaced by Tony Romo. He probably would have ended up holding Peyton's clip board the last few years.
tom brady on the bills would throw 4 TDs and 36 INTs
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funny how the Bills havent made the playoffs since '99
I wish he had Tom Brady.
I really do because nothing would please me more than watching him stink it up for two years, get cut, and then end up in Dallas where he gets replaced by Tony Romo. He probably would have ended up holding Peyton's clip board the last few years.
tom brady on the bills would throw 4 TDs and 36 INTs
If he's lucky. That would be his better of the two seasons he'd last there. Peyton on the other hand would have been signed in the Wade Phillips era and he and Wade would have had a lot of success together. Maybe even a couple trips to the dance and a ring. The perfect heir to the Kelly era. Can you imagine Eric Moulds and Peerless Price playing with Manning all those years. And Jay Riemersma would have looked like Tony Gonzalez, and Antowain Smith would have filled his Addai like role with no problem. Personally I don't see how the 99 Bills don't at least make the SB, if not win it and then it all builds from there. Who better to take over the K-Gun? And you know Kelly himself would have been around in pre-season and practice and maybe even signed on as OC. Remember it was Jim Kelly that called every play in that Frank Reich comeback game, if I'm not mistaken.
Of course the whole thing is the fault of the Colts, and Jim Harbaugh. Had the Colts not let up a 29-16 4th quarter lead against Buffalo in the first game and scored more than 9 points in the second game back in 1997 then te Bills would have finished 4-12 and gotten the #1 pick for the 98 draft. And instead of trading their #9 pick for Rob Johnson that could have used the #1 pick for Peyton Manning.
Of course knowing the Bills they probably would have picked Ryan Leif. But then SD would have gotten Manning and he and Marty would have taken over. Either way those fucking Colts screwed Manning over just like they're doing now.
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Peyton would've made Eric Moulds and Peerless Price into Harrison and Wayne
Brady without a coach with camera's...who knows
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Peyton would've made Eric Moulds and Peerless Price into Harrison and Wayne
Price looked like Wayne already when he was playing 2nd WR to Moulds under Doug Flutie and even Blesdoe. At their best therir numbers were already as good as Wayne and Harrison. The best season combined numbers for them are 2544 yards and 19 TDs. That's with an old and beaten up Bledsoe. In Manning's 49 TD season the Harrison/Wayne duo racked up 2323 yards and 25 TDs. Price was a finesse route runner that could do everything Wayne and Harrison could do, at a slightly lower level I'll admit, but Moulds was a fucking beast in his prime that Marvin and Reggie never had the strength and size to do. He could run the routes he needed to, he could fight for his spot, fight for the ball, and break tackles for extra yards. With Manning they'd be ranked among the best WR tandems of all time in their prime.
edit- and don't forget that the rookie season for Peyton he would have had Andre Reed and Thurman Thomas to help him adjust. And Flutie on the bench showing him some things. Poor Dougie never would have had a chance to play though. But after not making the playoffs in 01 because the Bills would have won the division I'm sure NE would have brought him back to Boston for a last hoorah.
God Damn Colts! Ruin everything.
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I will never forget that game against the Bills, Bo Jackson was a beast, but was taken out the week before against the Bengals. To this day, I feel that had the Raiders had Bo Jackson, they would have won the whole damn thing that year. True story, the Bo Jackson Raiders were better than the Buffalo Bills. I will never let it die, and I will be honest, as a lifelong Raider fan, I still hold on to that like I still hold on to the Tuck Rule and that fat fuck Tony Siragusa's foul on Rich Gannon. Don't debate me, just know I still hold on to that Raiders/Bills game and say "only if Bo Jackson was there."
I will never forget that Bills game....that shit was fuckin terrible. I hated the Bills for so long after that game lol. And yeah, having Bo would have made a huge difference. People forget just how good he was. He was basically Steven Jacksons power mixed with Chris Johnsons ellusiveness. I remember somebody telling the story about how at Halftime, the Raiders were down 41-3. And Tim Brown stands up trying to get the team pumped up saying..."They scored 41 points in the first half....we can go out there and score 41 in the second!", and everybody just lookin at him like...wtf...lol
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I will never forget that game against the Bills, Bo Jackson was a beast, but was taken out the week before against the Bengals. To this day, I feel that had the Raiders had Bo Jackson, they would have won the whole damn thing that year. True story, the Bo Jackson Raiders were better than the Buffalo Bills. I will never let it die, and I will be honest, as a lifelong Raider fan, I still hold on to that like I still hold on to the Tuck Rule and that fat fuck Tony Siragusa's foul on Rich Gannon. Don't debate me, just know I still hold on to that Raiders/Bills game and say "only if Bo Jackson was there."
I will never forget that Bills game....that shit was fuckin terrible. I hated the Bills for so long after that game lol. And yeah, having Bo would have made a huge difference. People forget just how good he was. He was basically Steven Jacksons power mixed with Chris Johnsons ellusiveness. I remember somebody telling the story about how at Halftime, the Raiders were down 41-3. And Tim Brown stands up trying to get the team pumped up saying..."They scored 41 points in the first half....we can go out there and score 41 in the second!", and everybody just lookin at him like...wtf...lol
Huge difference? So what then? The score would have been 35-17 Bills instead of 51-3? Bo has a some great highlights but dude was splitting time with Allen and Allen didn't do shit in that game. You guys are letting the nostalgia of your youth get the better of you. Too bad the 85 Pats didn't have Bo, because they may have beaten the Bears. C'mon now. I watched and loved Pro-Stars too but the Raiders would have been as likely to win that game with Bo holding the rock as they would with Gretzky holing it. At least Gretz can play in cold weather.
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I will never forget that game against the Bills, Bo Jackson was a beast, but was taken out the week before against the Bengals. To this day, I feel that had the Raiders had Bo Jackson, they would have won the whole damn thing that year. True story, the Bo Jackson Raiders were better than the Buffalo Bills. I will never let it die, and I will be honest, as a lifelong Raider fan, I still hold on to that like I still hold on to the Tuck Rule and that fat fuck Tony Siragusa's foul on Rich Gannon. Don't debate me, just know I still hold on to that Raiders/Bills game and say "only if Bo Jackson was there."
I will never forget that Bills game....that shit was fuckin terrible. I hated the Bills for so long after that game lol. And yeah, having Bo would have made a huge difference. People forget just how good he was. He was basically Steven Jacksons power mixed with Chris Johnsons ellusiveness. I remember somebody telling the story about how at Halftime, the Raiders were down 41-3. And Tim Brown stands up trying to get the team pumped up saying..."They scored 41 points in the first half....we can go out there and score 41 in the second!", and everybody just lookin at him like...wtf...lol
Huge difference? So what then? The score would have been 35-17 Bills instead of 51-3? Bo has a some great highlights but dude was splitting time with Allen and Allen didn't do shit in that game. You guys are letting the nostalgia of your youth get the better of you. Too bad the 85 Pats didn't have Bo, because they may have beaten the Bears. C'mon now. I watched and loved Pro-Stars too but the Raiders would have been as likely to win that game with Bo holding the rock as they would with Gretzky holing it. At least Gretz can play in cold weather.
I said huge difference. I didnt say they would win. You ok?
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I will never forget that game against the Bills, Bo Jackson was a beast, but was taken out the week before against the Bengals. To this day, I feel that had the Raiders had Bo Jackson, they would have won the whole damn thing that year. True story, the Bo Jackson Raiders were better than the Buffalo Bills. I will never let it die, and I will be honest, as a lifelong Raider fan, I still hold on to that like I still hold on to the Tuck Rule and that fat fuck Tony Siragusa's foul on Rich Gannon. Don't debate me, just know I still hold on to that Raiders/Bills game and say "only if Bo Jackson was there."
I will never forget that Bills game....that shit was fuckin terrible. I hated the Bills for so long after that game lol. And yeah, having Bo would have made a huge difference. People forget just how good he was. He was basically Steven Jacksons power mixed with Chris Johnsons ellusiveness. I remember somebody telling the story about how at Halftime, the Raiders were down 41-3. And Tim Brown stands up trying to get the team pumped up saying..."They scored 41 points in the first half....we can go out there and score 41 in the second!", and everybody just lookin at him like...wtf...lol
Huge difference? So what then? The score would have been 35-17 Bills instead of 51-3? Bo has a some great highlights but dude was splitting time with Allen and Allen didn't do shit in that game. You guys are letting the nostalgia of your youth get the better of you. Too bad the 85 Pats didn't have Bo, because they may have beaten the Bears. C'mon now. I watched and loved Pro-Stars too but the Raiders would have been as likely to win that game with Bo holding the rock as they would with Gretzky holing it. At least Gretz can play in cold weather.
I said huge difference. I didnt say they would win. You ok?
In my defense, you were agreeing with an M Dogg post that stated the Raiders would have won the game with Bo. Forgive me.
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As I said, in my eyes, it was like the Tuck Rule, the Immaculate reception. Doesn't mean my opinion is right, it's just me being an Al Davis level Raider fan. Let me just have this for me, if Bo was there, we would have won. Don't argue me, just let me be in my ignorance bliss.
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Side note: I know for sure we could have won with Bo because in Tecmo Bowl, I would score 50 points with Bo by the half.
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As I said, in my eyes, it was like the Tuck Rule, the Immaculate reception. Doesn't mean my opinion is right, it's just me being an Al Davis level Raider fan. Let me just have this for me, if Bo was there, we would have won. Don't argue me, just let me be in my ignorance bliss.
I know, I was just teasing.
But you're right about the tuck; Brady had finished the throw and the tuck back to the body with one arm, and when he was hot the second hand was already by the ball in a stance any QB would have before making an attempt. The tuck rule is in place to protect the ball from QBs that can't hold onto it in pump fakes. Actually it's to protect the ball from a fumble when a QB decides against a throw and instead looks for another WR. In Brady's case he had made the attempt to throw, decided against, and re-established himself completely when the Raider hit him. Had he never pump faked, he would have still fumbled. This was a clear sack, strip, fumble, and the refs will never say they got it wrong because in doing so they'd admit that a dynasty never should have happened.
Tom Brady's career would have ended if the refs called it right, and I knew that long before I started hating Brady. Bledsoe would have not been traded that year, and would have started the next year, or at the very least would have gotten the job back after the 4 straight losses in October. I'd imagine that if Brady started in 02 he would have been benched after the Green Bay game before the bye and Drew would have finished out the season. Brady would have been cut, because no trade would be offered, and Bledsoe would have ended his career with back to back Superbowls. They probably would have drafted a QB in between 02 and 04 or traded for a back up to be Bledsoe's replacement.
Tommy boy would have held clipboards and come in off the bench on teams like Buffalo, the Jets, or the Cardinals for the next few years and he'd have been at home by now, like his more successful in college teammate Brian Griese ended up.
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As I said, in my eyes, it was like the Tuck Rule, the Immaculate reception. Doesn't mean my opinion is right, it's just me being an Al Davis level Raider fan. Let me just have this for me, if Bo was there, we would have won. Don't argue me, just let me be in my ignorance bliss.
I know, I was just teasing.
But you're right about the tuck; Brady had finished the throw and the tuck back to the body with one arm, and when he was hot the second hand was already by the ball in a stance any QB would have before making an attempt. The tuck rule is in place to protect the ball from QBs that can't hold onto it in pump fakes. Actually it's to protect the ball from a fumble when a QB decides against a throw and instead looks for another WR. In Brady's case he had made the attempt to throw, decided against, and re-established himself completely when the Raider hit him. Had he never pump faked, he would have still fumbled. This was a clear sack, strip, fumble, and the refs will never say they got it wrong because in doing so they'd admit that a dynasty never should have happened.
Wrong. It was to protect the Patriots from missing the Superbowl. >:(
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As I said, in my eyes, it was like the Tuck Rule, the Immaculate reception. Doesn't mean my opinion is right, it's just me being an Al Davis level Raider fan. Let me just have this for me, if Bo was there, we would have won. Don't argue me, just let me be in my ignorance bliss.
I know, I was just teasing.
But you're right about the tuck; Brady had finished the throw and the tuck back to the body with one arm, and when he was hot the second hand was already by the ball in a stance any QB would have before making an attempt. The tuck rule is in place to protect the ball from QBs that can't hold onto it in pump fakes. Actually it's to protect the ball from a fumble when a QB decides against a throw and instead looks for another WR. In Brady's case he had made the attempt to throw, decided against, and re-established himself completely when the Raider hit him. Had he never pump faked, he would have still fumbled. This was a clear sack, strip, fumble, and the refs will never say they got it wrong because in doing so they'd admit that a dynasty never should have happened.
Wrong. It was to protect the Patriots from missing the Superbowl. >:(
That's why they used the tuck rule in that case. I'm talking about why it was invented in the place, and what it was meant for and what Brady did was not the same thing. Personally I think it's a BS rule, because if a QB with big hands wants to ensure he doesn't ever take sack in pressure all he has to do is keep pump faking it and let go of the ball as he gets hit, because it'll be a called an incomplete pass everytime. I actually hope someone does that once, gets sacked 8 times for a fumble, and have it called back and with no yards lost, just so they review the rule and change it. But Brady wasn't tucking, the ball was already tucked when he was hit and stripped.
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As I said, in my eyes, it was like the Tuck Rule, the Immaculate reception. Doesn't mean my opinion is right, it's just me being an Al Davis level Raider fan. Let me just have this for me, if Bo was there, we would have won. Don't argue me, just let me be in my ignorance bliss.
I know, I was just teasing.
But you're right about the tuck; Brady had finished the throw and the tuck back to the body with one arm, and when he was hot the second hand was already by the ball in a stance any QB would have before making an attempt. The tuck rule is in place to protect the ball from QBs that can't hold onto it in pump fakes. Actually it's to protect the ball from a fumble when a QB decides against a throw and instead looks for another WR. In Brady's case he had made the attempt to throw, decided against, and re-established himself completely when the Raider hit him. Had he never pump faked, he would have still fumbled. This was a clear sack, strip, fumble, and the refs will never say they got it wrong because in doing so they'd admit that a dynasty never should have happened.
Wrong. It was to protect the Patriots from missing the Superbowl. >:(
That's why they used the tuck rule in that case. I'm talking about why it was invented in the place, and what it was meant for and what Brady did was not the same thing. Personally I think it's a BS rule, because if a QB with big hands wants to ensure he doesn't ever take sack in pressure all he has to do is keep pump faking it and let go of the ball as he gets hit, because it'll be a called an incomplete pass everytime. I actually hope someone does that once, gets sacked 8 times for a fumble, and have it called back and with no yards lost, just so they review the rule and change it. But Brady wasn't tucking, the ball was already tucked when he was hit and stripped.
I gotcha.