West Coast Connection Forum
DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: Trip Dee on April 11, 2011, 11:12:18 AM
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http://www.youtube.com/v/Xr--kkd251A?fs=1&hl=pl_PL
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what a failed project that ended up being
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Nice memories.. thanks for posting, I'd never seen that promo before. In the time it came out it was a considered a Flop by critics, however the album did enter the charts at #1 and sold platinum. By today's watered down standards of hip-hop that shit was a classic. "Phone Tap" was an instant classic even in those times, Canibus' feature on there was blazing, and there were a few other cuts on there that people really liked.
You know what would of been great is if Nas would of done a solo album on Aftermath with Dre in that time instead of the Firm project. It was clear Dre and Nas have always had a nice relationship, but if you listen to Dre talk about Foxy he was basically like, "Well I only worked with her for a couple hours, total." Foxy was fine as hell in those days, and she was kind of dope, but her and Nature weren't really on Nas level... a duo album with AZ might of worked, cause Nas and AZ have great chemistry and AZ can hold his own, as Dre almost compared him to Nas in that interview.
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Nice memories.. thanks for posting, I'd never seen that promo before. In the time it came out it was a considered a Flop by critics, however the album did enter the charts at #1 and sold platinum. By today's watered down standards of hip-hop that shit was a classic. "Phone Tap" was an instant classic even in those times, Canibus' feature on there was blazing, and there were a few other cuts on there that people really liked.
You know what would of been great is if Nas would of done a solo album on Aftermath with Dre in that time instead of the Firm project. It was clear Dre and Nas have always had a nice relationship, but if you listen to Dre talk about Foxy he was basically like, "Well I only worked with her for a couple hours, total." Foxy was fine as hell in those days, and she was kind of dope, but her and Nature weren't really on Nas level... a duo album with AZ might of worked, cause Nas and AZ have great chemistry and AZ can hold his own, as Dre almost compared him to Nas in that interview.
first intelligent post I've heard from this man
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i agree. Nas + AZ + Dre more involved vocally-wise. i've got "Everyday Thing" in my mind, they've done a great job on this one. i think that album would sound much better if theyd took that route... it is what it is though.
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i agree. Nas + AZ + Dre more involved vocally-wise. i've got "Everyday Thing" in my mind, they've done a great job on this one. i think that album would sound much better if theyd took that route... it is what it is though.
Nature was on everyday thing, not AZ
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i agree. Nas + AZ + Dre more involved vocally-wise. i've got "Everyday Thing" in my mind, they've done a great job on this one. i think that album would sound much better if theyd took that route... it is what it is though.
Nature was on everyday thing, not AZ
indeed, my bad.
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I think Nature did his thing. Its just everyone was expecting Cormega and they got another guy no one knew about.
Honestly I think it was the type of music they were making. Everyone expected some super lyrical supergroup to blow them away and instead they made a mafioso album when mafioso music was going out of style.
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it should of been nas,az the dre on every song.& they could let foxxy stay.but that shwy the project failed.nobody care about nature or cormega.i bought the album cuz i though az,nas was gonna be on every song
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this project didnt fail for me..and I still dont understand the hate that *firm biz* gets from people..its not a classic like phone tapped but its still a great party song
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Nice memories.. thanks for posting, I'd never seen that promo before. In the time it came out it was a considered a Flop by critics, however the album did enter the charts at #1 and sold platinum. By today's watered down standards of hip-hop that shit was a classic. "Phone Tap" was an instant classic even in those times, Canibus' feature on there was blazing, and there were a few other cuts on there that people really liked.
You know what would of been great is if Nas would of done a solo album on Aftermath with Dre in that time instead of the Firm project. It was clear Dre and Nas have always had a nice relationship, but if you listen to Dre talk about Foxy he was basically like, "Well I only worked with her for a couple hours, total." Foxy was fine as hell in those days, and she was kind of dope, but her and Nature weren't really on Nas level... a duo album with AZ might of worked, cause Nas and AZ have great chemistry and AZ can hold his own, as Dre almost compared him to Nas in that interview.
first intelligent post I've heard from this man
Lol
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when mafioso music was going out of style.
When was mafioso music in style to begin with? It was a concept album that really hadn't been done yet.
As far as to why the album flopped, you can put that one on Trackmasters. The Dre tracks were consistent; the other tracks were all over the place (excluding "Desperados" and "Executive Decision"). "Firm Biz" shouldn't have been on the album; only reason it was on was because it fit with what Puffy was doing.
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when mafioso music was going out of style.
When was mafioso music in style to begin with? It was a concept album that really hadn't been done yet.
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Thanks for the video!
The Firm album is a unique piece of work that got wayyyy to much hate.
I think of it as a flawed masterpiece, which is no big shame! 8)
+1
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"The Firm" had a couple of classics on it, but overall it was weak. I wonder how much leftover material is out there?
I have these songs that ain't on the album.
- "Desperados" (Original Version)
- "Firm Vs The State"
- "Time"
- "Progress"
- "4 In Tha Mornin"
Also i got some unreleased version of "La Familia", Cormega is featured on it i think.
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Nice memories.. thanks for posting, I'd never seen that promo before. In the time it came out it was a considered a Flop by critics, however the album did enter the charts at #1 and sold platinum. By today's watered down standards of hip-hop that shit was a classic. "Phone Tap" was an instant classic even in those times, Canibus' feature on there was blazing, and there were a few other cuts on there that people really liked.
No, it still isn't a classic. I like the album but compared to Dre's other classics leading up to that, it just wasn't all there. It's very much like the post-1997 Death Row material. Above-average music that seems to get more and more overrated by nostalgic fans who have a hard-on for the past. Dre's production is solid but the concept is very gimmicky in all the wrong ways. It's Dre and Nas doing a fake Mafiosio group concept album. It's a fun piece of experimentation but it was a noticeable misstep for both of their careers. In hindsight, every piece of music you even moderatly enjoyed back in the day seems like a fucking classic if you compare it to modern day music you hate. If we're bringing up Dr. Dre projects with NY rappers that get unfairly shit on, I'm still saying "Big Bang" deserves another day in court.
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what a failed project that ended up being
Phone Tap = Top 3 alltime
Enough for me. 8)
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when mafioso music was going out of style.
When was mafioso music in style to begin with? It was a concept album that really hadn't been done yet.
As far as to why the album flopped, you can put that one on Trackmasters. The Dre tracks were consistent; the other tracks were all over the place (excluding "Desperados" and "Executive Decision"). "Firm Biz" shouldn't have been on the album; only reason it was on was because it fit with what Puffy was doing.
u crazy.firm biz was the best song on the whole album.
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dre & trackmasters= bad combo
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It's a damn shame what happened to The Firm. They had a lotta potential.
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neva really like 'em.
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dre & trackmasters= bad combo
It's a damn shame what happened to The Firm. They had a lotta potential.
co-sign
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dre & trackmasters= bad combo
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dre & trackmasters= bad combo
It's a damn shame what happened to The Firm. They had a lotta potential.
co-sign
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dre & trackmasters= bad combo
here it is
Also, check the Chris Taylor interview, he's basically sayin Steve Stoute is the one to blame for this flop.