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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: THETRUTHUG on April 21, 2011, 11:35:48 AM
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Am i the only one who thinks this?
Before you call me a hater etc.. I´m a huge Quik Fan (my sig prooves it ;D) ANd before you start with "thats grown folks music" bla bla bla
for real,
look where quik was going with his beats :o
till jesus comes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1VO9TahbE4
ladies & thugs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9sZ6nu_Kog
Cream N Ya Panties http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6QIXOyVVjw
blaqkout http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kn1QvhJ9Xc
and a few more beats from trauma, and blaqkout.. the beats are so dope and like westcoast music for 2012!
i´m not saying the book of david is a bad album.. but it sounds like it was recorded in 1999 or something, every quik album is dope, but this sounds like an unreleased album from 1999, there like only 3-4 beats which are dope, and the album has 16 tracks
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Am i the only one who thinks this?
Before you call me a hater etc.. I´m a huge Quik Fan (my sig prooves it ;D) ANd before you start with "thats grown folks music" bla bla bla
for real,
look where quik was going with his beats :o
till jesus comes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1VO9TahbE4
ladies & thugs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9sZ6nu_Kog
Cream N Ya Panties http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6QIXOyVVjw
blaqkout http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kn1QvhJ9Xc
and a few more beats from trauma, and blaqkout.. the beats are so dope and like westcoast music for 2012!
i´m not saying the book of david is a bad album.. but it sounds like it was recorded in 1999 or something, every quik album is dope, but this sounds like an unreleased album from 1999, there like only 3-4 beats which are dope, and the album has 16 tracks
I agree to some point, love the beats you named more then the beats on the BOD, but I think the beats on BOD are still amazing.
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you have to be young . the best hip hop music was recorded in the 90's so whats your point ?
its better than his last 3 albums
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Yeah I still feel that BOD could have been a lot better. Beats are nothing mindblowing expect a few some, it lacks top guests, hooks are not catchy and sometimes Quik is articulating too much, doesn't fit him.
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you have to be young . the best hip hop music was recorded in the 90's so whats your point ?
its better than his last 3 albums
I don't think it has anything to do about being young, I think he means it sounds dated (which is what I got). If this is the case, I agree. It would have sounded much better if it came out in 97-99 because it fit that era.
And ya, I agree for the most part with the OG post.
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you have to be young . the best hip hop music was recorded in the 90's so whats your point ?
its better than his last 3 albums
I´m 27 and a hip hop fan since the deathrow times, i´m just saying that i loved where quik was gowing with his sound because it was like future westcoast sound, i loved rhytmaslism, maybe quiks best work, and it was the right time for rhytm alsism, but if you drop 2 albums like, trauma and blaqkout where most of them beats where :o and than drop an album which sounds like it would better fit in 10 years ago :-\
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Its just one of those things where everybody has different taste, i really like the album, not all of it but its a solid album. My fave is fire and brimstone
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I don't have a problem with the beats really, I just thought the lyrical content was not as good. In Trauma he told stories about his life and it was more interesting. He was more personal with that album. Trauma was better to me. The beats in this album are cool and new but he really didn't impress me with the topics. When I think of "Till Jesus Comes", I remember the beat plus the lyrics. He went personal with his life and lyrics, that made me enjoy the song even more. Some of the songs on TBOD, are just talking about nothing. He still had some cool songs but nothing compared to past albums IMO.
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Its just one of those things where everybody has different taste, i really like the album, not all of it but its a solid album. My fave is fire and brimstone
I honestly have to ask how you can even stand fire and brimstone? I love the keys but that drum programming is so bootsy....it sounds like a bunch of kids playing with pots and pans. You can't even bob your head to the song and the thing that is frustrating is that track could have sounded like vintage Quik.
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Hmm I can feel ya. The beats on Trauma were really knocking and sounded modern but at the same time unique and Quik.
But generally I don't have a problem if a musician sticks to his roots, it's not always essential that an artists 'progresses'. I'm glad that a AL Green still makes the same music he did in the 70's. It still works.
But yeah, Quik's direction on Trauma sounded awesome, but I think also the it's mainly a quality issue. Trauma sounded way more polished. I think Blaqout already was a step backwards.
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Its just one of those things where everybody has different taste, i really like the album, not all of it but its a solid album. My fave is fire and brimstone
I honestly have to ask how you can even stand fire and brimstone? I love the keys but that drum programming is so bootsy....it sounds like a bunch of kids playing with pots and pans. You can't even bob your head to the song and the thing that is frustrating is that track could have sounded like vintage Quik.
LOL that was my first impression too bro, but after a second listen it quickly became my FAVE on the album, maybe it was how hard he spit on the last verse. The track is actually SICk as F*ck to me now !!!!!!!!!!
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I disagree completely. Trauma sounds much more dated than The Book of David. TBOD has its faults but I think it's a lot clearer and fresher sounding than Trauma, BlaQKout and that Fixxers album, all of which sounded forced on quite a few songs, and Quik's beats didn't come off as natural in my opinion. The beats on TBOD sound a lot more like Quik being comfortable in his own style, which is why I think it's his best album in years.
I think that "Ladies & Thugs" was a good idea, but it ended up sounding like a cheap beat with those strings on it.
"Blaqkout", "Cream N Ya Panties" and "The Appeal" (to me the best 3 songs off BlaQKout) don't sound too much different than the beats on TBOD.
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Its just one of those things where everybody has different taste, i really like the album, not all of it but its a solid album. My fave is fire and brimstone
I honestly have to ask how you can even stand fire and brimstone? I love the keys but that drum programming is so bootsy....it sounds like a bunch of kids playing with pots and pans. You can't even bob your head to the song and the thing that is frustrating is that track could have sounded like vintage Quik.
You serious? The drums on Fire & Brimstone are fucking dope! I think I bob my head the hardest to that one. The entire song reminds me of "Safe & Sound" Quik.
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Its just one of those things where everybody has different taste, i really like the album, not all of it but its a solid album. My fave is fire and brimstone
I honestly have to ask how you can even stand fire and brimstone? I love the keys but that drum programming is so bootsy....it sounds like a bunch of kids playing with pots and pans. You can't even bob your head to the song and the thing that is frustrating is that track could have sounded like vintage Quik.
You serious? The drums on Fire & Brimstone are fucking dope! I think I bob my head the hardest to that one. The entire song reminds me of "Safe & Sound" Quik.
AMEN brotha
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I agree with the original post but at the same time what's wrong with putting out an album that has that classic/vintage Quik sound? Trauma definitaly had some bangers as did Blaqkout (first half dope, second half was...different) but I like what Quik did here by not continuing to get too experimental and staying in his lane more. It's like a thow back to his old sound that his fans can appreciate. The good thing is that Quik is talented enough to where he can make an album that sounds like the o.p. said "westcoast music for 2012" and then switch it up and make an album that has that old/classic Quik sound but still sound tight, don't know many other artist, if any, that can do that and have great results.
It's kinda funny though, when an artist has been in the game as long as Quik has, his sound evolves and eventually you start hearing people say "I like his old music better" or "he was better when he first came out", etc., etc., then DJ Quik puts out an album that sounds like this and some people say "it sounds dated" or "it would have been better if it had came out years ago"; you can't please everyone. I wish more of the of the older artists that are still in the game would do something similar, because many of them are making music that is so far out there from what made them famous that they would have lost their identity completely if it wasn't for their name still being recognized.
So for me, it's cool to hear Quik come out with an album that sounds like this (it's refreshing even though it does sound like an older record, if that makes any sense) and I'm sure that if Quik decides to put out another album in a few years and make it have an updated 2015 and beyond west coast sound it'll be tight too; he's that good of a producer/musician imo.
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Its just one of those things where everybody has different taste, i really like the album, not all of it but its a solid album. My fave is fire and brimstone
I honestly have to ask how you can even stand fire and brimstone? I love the keys but that drum programming is so bootsy....it sounds like a bunch of kids playing with pots and pans. You can't even bob your head to the song and the thing that is frustrating is that track could have sounded like vintage Quik.
You serious? The drums on Fire & Brimstone are fucking dope! I think I bob my head the hardest to that one. The entire song reminds me of "Safe & Sound" Quik
That song reminds me of vintage Quik (Safe and Sound) except for the drum pattern. Sorry I can't get down to that out of place drum pattern with no rhythm or synchronization to the speed of the keys, rhymes, and strings.
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Its just one of those things where everybody has different taste, i really like the album, not all of it but its a solid album. My fave is fire and brimstone
I honestly have to ask how you can even stand fire and brimstone? I love the keys but that drum programming is so bootsy....it sounds like a bunch of kids playing with pots and pans. You can't even bob your head to the song and the thing that is frustrating is that track could have sounded like vintage Quik.
You serious? The drums on Fire & Brimstone are fucking dope! I think I bob my head the hardest to that one. The entire song reminds me of "Safe & Sound" Quik
That song reminds me of vintage Quik (Safe and Sound) except for the drum pattern. Sorry I can't get down to that out of place drum pattern with no rhythm or synchronization to the speed of the keys, rhymes, and strings.
Yeah, that's exactly how I feel about the drums on "Fire & Brimstone". I just can't get to those drums being so out of place and then, to make things more fucked up,the fact that they are loud as hell makes the odd/awkward drum patten stand out big time. But I'm glad that a lot of people do like that song as much as they do because if everyone wasn't feeling it then it would just be straight up whack song. On a side note, I would love to see someone bob their head hard as fuck to that song, it would look so off beat the shit would crack me up (that's not aimed at you at all IbblesAndBits, I'm not trying to clown or talk shit to you, I just pictured someone doing that and it made me laugh).
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The drums don't sound out of place at all to me, and it's definitely on beat with the rest of the song but it's not a normal drum beat. Honestly the drums are a big part of the reason I enjoy this song. Guess we all hear things differently.
And yeah I bobbed my head to this and was perfectly on beat lol.
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DJ Quik fell off after "Safe N Sound" which is EASILY his best album...
his die hard fans like Matty won't give it to him becuz it's cliche' to say that anything created in 1995/90's was better than anything after (especially 93/94/95/96)
"rhythmalism" is extremely overrated
"under tha influence" was ok
"balance and options" was cool back in tha day and some of the tunes still play in my head from time 2 time like "pitch in on a party" is right now
"trauma" didn't have a center to it and it lacked a direction and it showed, it was corny to me even tho i have 2 admit i haven't listened to it since it first came out but i remember deleting it (most of it) about a month and a half into it (becuz i try 2 get into some records like that, not all but some, it was y'all fault really)
"book of david" should of been an EP or just 10 tracks with "Fresher Than Me" on it
DJ Quik the PRODUCER >>>>>>>>>>>>>> DJ Quik the M.C.
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DJ Quik fell off after "Safe N Sound" which is EASILY his best album...
I would definitaly not say he fell off, not by a long shot, but "Safe + Sound" is the only one of Quik's albums where there isn't a single song that i would leave off or change, to me it's perfect and would be insanely hard to top. This is why all of his other albums, although very, very good, always fall a little short for me (some more than others); he was just that good on "Safe + Sound" but that's not a bad thing at all.
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he was just that good on "Safe + Sound"
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book of david is my type of album.i bought 2 copies of the album.2 be honest with u.I dont like osng u listed.they cool.but they not songz i listened 2 more then 3 times.blaqout song is cool.the songs on book of david shit on all of them songs u named.this new album is the reason why quik was one of my favorite artist.then 2 me he kinda fell off.now with this album he back at one of my favorite artist
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Am i the only one who thinks this?
Before you call me a hater etc.. I´m a huge Quik Fan (my sig prooves it ;D) ANd before you start with "thats grown folks music" bla bla bla
for real,
look where quik was going with his beats :o
till jesus comes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1VO9TahbE4
ladies & thugs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9sZ6nu_Kog
Cream N Ya Panties http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6QIXOyVVjw
blaqkout http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kn1QvhJ9Xc
and a few more beats from trauma, and blaqkout.. the beats are so dope and like westcoast music for 2012!
i´m not saying the book of david is a bad album.. but it sounds like it was recorded in 1999 or something, every quik album is dope, but this sounds like an unreleased album from 1999, there like only 3-4 beats which are dope, and the album has 16 tracks
do u seriously think those beats & songs u named is better the so compton or do today & etc
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I like Quik's new album over Trauma but I must say that "Til Jesus Comes" is one of his dopest songs ever.
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And yeah I bobbed my head to this and was perfectly on beat lol.
Same here, i like the offkey sounding beat.
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I think The Book Of David intro is great. Just great...
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I don't think TBOD sounds dated. To me i think the only problem is that many of these rap artists from the 90's are past their prime. We will never get albums filled with straight heaters from dre, snoop, quik or the dogg pound....they will continue to put out albums that have good songs on them...but most of the new songs only go as far as good to me not great.
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Man quik hasnt made a great album since balance and options. Seriously he continously dissappoints with every album.
Now leave me alone as i bump my tyga real westcoast shit :p
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still lots of polarized views on this album, which is pleasing. gathering up some good thoughts for a review :)
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still lots of polarized views on this album, which is pleasing. gathering up some good thoughts for a review :)
I have a feeling your going to review DJ Quik 4.5 based on all your posts. Let's look at some pro reviews:
Dj Booth- 3.5/5:
http://www.djbooth.net/index/albums/review/dj-quik-book-of-david-04181101/
Spin- 7/10
http://www.spin.com/reviews/dj-quik-book-david-mad-sciencefontana
There are other reviews out there but they aren't rated.
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I think it's a pretty cool album so far...although i'd be much happier if they took Bizzy off and replaced him with AMG but anyways ha.
The production is pretty crazy, there is a lot of stuff there that's impressive. it's a good album, not a great album but better than most as of late. It's missing one or two of those "WTF!!!!!!??? that's sick" songs for sure but there's some cool stuff. He shoulda used that beat at the end of "Nobody" though!!!!!!
Trauma was a good album, but I thought BlaKQout was the worst he's ever done but that's just me.
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Thought most on here didn't like 'Til Jesus Comes?
Someone summed it up best, beats are good, but content is sub-par..... and has been on his last few albums.
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I like the album myself. To be honest, I've always been a big Quik fan, but I didn't realize how much of a Quik fan I was until I started going through his catalog gearing up for this release and I pretty much like every one of his albums quite a bit. So maybe I'm the wrong guy to ask for an objective opinion.
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I really looked forward to hearing this album....but I feel it's average at best. I listened to it for a day and a half and then took it out to put Coathanga Strangla back in ;D
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I know Quik wants to branch out and do different sounds but he honestly sucks at that, every time he tries to keep it funky like on Nobody he hits it out of the park, that track sounds like something straight from Rythmalism, 100% prime Quik and Suga Free, then you listen to Fire and Brimstone and you hear some of the weakest shit ever heard from QUIk
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Nothing from Book of David can get at this.........
http://www.youtube.com//v/wiFsyTsSuJ0&feature=player_detailpage
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IMHO Fire and Brimstone, even with the lightly disjointed sound is pure genius, one of the best tracks on the entire album. This shit bangs real hard, and Quik spit good lyrics here, and his performance is whoa!
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IMHO Fire and Brimstone, even with the lightly disjointed sound is pure genius, one of the best tracks on the entire album. This shit bangs real hard, and Quik spit good lyrics here, and his performance is whoa!
THIS. 8)
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Fire and Brimstone, Killer Dope are my favorite lyrically. Most beats are nice. Nobody, Ghetto rendezvous are sick.
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still lots of polarized views on this album, which is pleasing. gathering up some good thoughts for a review :)
I have a feeling your going to review DJ Quik 4.5 based on all your posts. Let's look at some pro reviews:
Dj Booth- 3.5/5:
http://www.djbooth.net/index/albums/review/dj-quik-book-of-david-04181101/
Spin- 7/10
http://www.spin.com/reviews/dj-quik-book-david-mad-sciencefontana
There are other reviews out there but they aren't rated.
you might be surprised :)
i have quite a few criticisms but it's obviously getting a good score. i rated blaqkout 7/10.
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still lots of polarized views on this album, which is pleasing. gathering up some good thoughts for a review :)
I have a feeling your going to review DJ Quik 4.5 based on all your posts. Let's look at some pro reviews:
Dj Booth- 3.5/5:
http://www.djbooth.net/index/albums/review/dj-quik-book-of-david-04181101/
Spin- 7/10
http://www.spin.com/reviews/dj-quik-book-david-mad-sciencefontana
There are other reviews out there but they aren't rated.
4 out of 5 stars
http://allmusic.com/album/the-book-of-david-r2153845
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fucc better quest,this is a quik album not nobody else shit >:( that's that shit that fucc'd up this rap shit to me,muthafuccas wanting other people all on somebody shit,let this equal do him, experiment or not if quik is cool with his product that's what truly counts,me personally i ain't braille'n that muthafucca like that,but it will not deter me from being a fan,i like the fact that we don't know what we gonna get from quik with each release,it keeps you guessing,and that's another thing missing in this rap shit,so off that alone i'm giving the man props yell
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so, i understand all of your opinions but look at other rap artists? I mean if you compare this to Warren G "G Files" you will see that Quik loves the music! Warren wants everybody on his album and changed his musical style to sell shit! Quik is a true musicians who realize his strong position in west coast music history.
This shit is full of quality! This shit is an ALBUM! Look at Daz. Now you can see how cheap Westcoast Music is today. Quik was and is on a different level then these other cats.
My critic on that album is that the hooks are too short. Jon B as a singer isnt talented as Danny Boy, Nate Dogg (RIP) or those other cats from Terrace Martin Camp.
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for me TBOD is one on Quiks most weakes albums..
trauma was like 40 minutes long, and i was angry at the beginning cause i waited years for a new quik album and than i heard that its like 40 min or soemthing
but trauma is pure quality, maybe 2 beats that wasnt that dope, the rest :o
come on guys, just look at the beats on trauma, his lyrics and his topics and the mixing and the sound, everything 8)
there is not ONE beat on TBOD which made me think, DAMN thats it! there are only 2-3 beats which are good like killer dope, but the rest is nothing special.
and lets be honest, the guests on this album, Jon B is ok, nothing, great, Blackazz, ok nothing great, (there on too many songs) and we waited like 20 years for a cube/quik collabe and here we have boogie til you conk out? the song is ok, nothing great, they could make a monster hit, and what the other poster said is true, topic wise, i dont know what quik is talking on most of the songs, nothing personal, woman, money, bad sisters..
for me The Book of David 3/5
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everybody who said that "fire and brimstone" is off beat just literally proved that they have no rythm... lmao @ your life foreal... and lol again becuz it's just that funny
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I know Quik wants to branch out and do different sounds but he honestly sucks at that, every time he tries to keep it funky like on Nobody he hits it out of the park, that track sounds like something straight from Rythmalism, 100% prime Quik and Suga Free, then you listen to Fire and Brimstone and you hear some of the weakest shit ever heard from QUIk
I agree with this. One song will be dope as hell you get to the next and your like WTF is this shit?
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everybody who said that "fire and brimstone" is off beat just literally proved that they have no rythm... lmao @ your life foreal... and lol again becuz it's just that funny
Did you get a remix of it? Maybe with a 5/13 snare and a 1/9 kick? That would be tight. No drum pattern has that fucked up arrangement for a reason. There is a science to drums and the human ear and body. Quik tried to switch it up which is fine but it didn't work. I thought I was going deaf but I played that jam for 5 or 6 hip hop heads an they thought I was joking as that song being an original from Quik. They were like bullshit that is a stan remix from you tube or something. You can find NO song in the history of hip hop with that drum rhythm. 99% of hip hop songs have a 5/13 snare with a kick and hi hats.....not a 5/13 snare with some kids bangin pots and pans at free will in the background.
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everybody who said that "fire and brimstone" is off beat just literally proved that they have no rythm... lmao @ your life foreal... and lol again becuz it's just that funny
Did you get a remix of it? Maybe with a 5/13 snare and a 1/9 kick? That would be tight. No drum pattern has that fucked up arrangement for a reason. There is a science to drums and the human ear and body. Quik tried to switch it up which is fine but it didn't work. I thought I was going deaf but I played that jam for 5 or 6 hip hop heads an they thought I was joking as that song being an original from Quik. They were like bullshit that is a stan remix from you tube or something. You can find NO song in the history of hip hop with that drum rhythm. 99% of hip hop songs have a 5/13 snare with a kick and hi hats.....not a 5/13 snare with some kids bangin pots and pans at free will in the background.
son that shit flows just right... your homies just might not like DJ Quik like that or it's their 1st and probably ONLY time listening to it. You just might not be a fan of the record but that drum pattern is on beat and I can bobb my head with rhythm just fine, in fact I got a little more funk to it than most of the records i hear and bobb my head to
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Fire and Brimstone is one of the best songs on the album, for both production and lyrics. It's a nice change from the same boring drum patterns you hear from other producers.
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everybody who said that "fire and brimstone" is off beat just literally proved that they have no rythm... lmao @ your life foreal... and lol again becuz it's just that funny
No no that ain't true... if you snuck that track on at a club the whole crowd would stop dancing and look around saying WTF?!
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everybody who said that "fire and brimstone" is off beat just literally proved that they have no rythm... lmao @ your life foreal... and lol again becuz it's just that funny
No no that ain't true... if you snuck that track on at a club the whole crowd would stop dancing and look around saying WTF?!
:D they probably would but that doesn't mean it's not on beat or a good song... this must be 1 of those tracks where it's subject to opinion (even tho I think it's 1 of the best on tha album)
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everybody who said that "fire and brimstone" is off beat just literally proved that they have no rythm... lmao @ your life foreal... and lol again becuz it's just that funny
No no that ain't true... if you snuck that track on at a club the whole crowd would stop dancing and look around saying WTF?!
Well that's because it's not a party track, but the song is completely on beat. I have no idea what you guys are hearing when you say it's off beat. Everyone I've played the song for loves it and none of them had a problem nodding to it.
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It's not so much that it's off beat (that's not the right wording for it), it's definitaly on beat but it's just not a traditional rap drum pattern, it's unorthodox. Compare Fire and Brimstone to pretty much every other track that DJ Quik has ever done (or any other rap producer for that matter) and you can tell the difference. There's a reason why he hasn't used this drum pattern before; the drums are not as easy on the ears compared to the typical drum patterns found in most songs. But I do give Quik props for stepping outside the box and pushing the creative side of things, after all Quik is a real artist so it doesn't really surprise me that he would try different things and use a drum pattern that no one else would use. I've never listened to Quik because I've wanted to hear adbstract drums/beats, he's always been real smooth, funky and has had his own signature sound when it comes to his drums, percussion, etc., but "Fire and Brimstone" is different. At the end of the day it's all a matter of opinion and taste and it's cool that some Quik fans like this track as much as they do. Shit, if there's wackos out there that prefer "Malice in Wonderland" over "Doggystyle" then it's all good if some people's favorite track on "The Book of David" is "Fire and Brimstone", it's just not for me and I rather bang the shit out of songs like "Nobody".
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i dont get how an album from 99 can sound dated. maybe there were different trends then but how has hip hop gotten any more advanced since then? it was already fully developed at that point and as a whole a lot more musically rich than it is now. IMO rhythm-al-ism is the single greatest musical achievement in hip hop. how can that sound dated? i mean i guess you could be saying quik is always updating and changing with the times which could be a valid complain. i would NEVER complain about quik sounding too 99 though.
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I disagree completely. Trauma sounds much more dated than The Book of David. TBOD has its faults but I think it's a lot clearer and fresher sounding than Trauma, BlaQKout and that Fixxers album, all of which sounded forced on quite a few songs, and Quik's beats didn't come off as natural in my opinion. The beats on TBOD sound a lot more like Quik being comfortable in his own style, which is why I think it's his best album in years.
I think that "Ladies & Thugs" was a good idea, but it ended up sounding like a cheap beat with those strings on it.
"Blaqkout", "Cream N Ya Panties" and "The Appeal" (to me the best 3 songs off BlaQKout) don't sound too much different than the beats on TBOD.
fire & brimstone beat is tight . yall got some funny taste in beats .
and trauma does sound more generic and outdated than book of david , book of david sounds like fresh with the beats . but the rhymes are not that great though . thats were the album kinda fails