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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: love33 on April 26, 2011, 11:00:58 PM
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He used to be dope when he was droppin all those tracks and phat albums. I remember At The Speed of Light, 40 Dayz and 40 Nights, Restless was his best, and Man vs. Machine had some bomb tracks on it too, then he started playin around with cars on mtv and he completely fell off the cliff. I don't understand how someone that dope could fall so hard. I mean "X," "Been A Long Time" w Nate Dogg, "What U See is What U Get," "Bitch Please" w Snoop, "Get Your Walk On," "Multiply" with Nate, "Harder" w Golden State, "My Name" w Eminem & Nate, "Alcoholik" w the Likz. I mean he knew how to make good music. And now he's forgotten. I don't even hear anyone talk about his old music. At least with Warren G, they talk about him. That "Phenom" track he did with Kurupt was decent. Nobody even mentions him.
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He should go to a Miami club, soak in the music then make a comeback. It's the only thing that makes sense right love?
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He used to be dope when he was droppin all those tracks and phat albums. I remember At The Speed of Light, 40 Dayz and 40 Nights, Restless was his best, and Man vs. Machine had some bomb tracks on it too, then he started playin around with cars on mtv and he completely fell off the cliff. I don't understand how someone that dope could fall so hard. I mean "X," "Been A Long Time" w Nate Dogg, "What U See is What U Get," "Bitch Please" w Snoop, "Get Your Walk On," "Multiply" with Nate, "Harder" w Golden State, "My Name" w Eminem & Nate, "Alcoholik" w the Likz. I mean he knew how to make good music. And now he's forgotten. I don't even hear anyone talk about his old music. At least with Warren G, they talk about him. That "Phenom" track he did with Kurupt was decent. Nobody even mentions him.
"Thank You" is a recent track of his that has made a lot of noise. I don't think he's been totally forgotten. I do agree with much of your post though, this dude was on fire and then kind of fell off. I think after success he lost some of his hunger, and if you listen to his first 3 albums, X's hunger was resounding throughout. Nobody sounded more hungry on the mic than X on his 40 Dayz 40 Nightz album.. I mean when he was spittin shit like "Jerry Spring you out the door, then Suge Knight you in the parking lot" and shit like that... I just don't think it's possible to come with that level of intensity for a sustained period of time, or after you've achieved the success he finally achieved with Restless going platinum.
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Almost all of his new music has been weak after "Weapons Of Mass Destruction". "Full Circle" had "Say It To My Face" though, that's a classic IMO. I think he actually dropped two mixtapes with Young De not so long ago and nobody here is talkin' about them. I think he owes a lot of money and that's probably the real reason why he signed to Hoo-Bangin'. He needs to get back in the studio and scrap everything he already recorded for the album ("Phenom" etc) and start workin' with some real dope producers.
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Full circle was better than restless, just my oppinion, and I know I'm alone with that, but think about it.
Restless was one of the records of that "era", that "up in the smoke tour era", not really an X album, like ATSOF, or 40 dayz...
man vs... was something like a compilations of restless leftovers, and weapons was another hungry album again, like the first, and the second.
full circle was a good album, juts a good, not as fantastic like the earliest, but good.
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He didn't fall off. Like anyone whose been in the game for a long time, his shit just declined with time.
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He didn't fall off. Like anyone whose been in the game for a long time, his shit just declined with time.
Give him a beat and he can still deliver. Phenom, Hurt Locker, Dying 2 Live. He still had some nice tracks over the years. But the tracks with Young De have been wack.
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He didn't fall off. Like anyone whose been in the game for a long time, his shit just declined with time.
I see what you're sayin but I kinda disagree on this one -- he was kinda settin up to be like a Jay-Z or Eminem of the West then he completely just fell like an avalanche. Even 50 gave him a shoutout on "In Da Club." But some west coast bias could have come into effect -- he wasn't gettin the calls to feature on some cats albums like Nelly's, get the r&b verse drops like 50, or drop some dope bars on other fat cat's albums but he was pretty close to breakin through to the cream of the crop. He even did that rock video with Lil Jon so he was branchin out. He was workin with the names of the time - Busta Rhymez, Eminem, Snoop, Game, Fat Joe, etc. I'm real surprised Dre didn't take him for another spin considering the success of Restless. He was Dre's man to get there IMO, not Knoc'Turnal or Hittman.
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I wanna know why him and dre stopped working together. My guess is that faggot iovine.
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I wanna know why him and dre stopped working together. My guess is that faggot iovine.
Yeah, probably. It's all about that money. Dre produced "Grown Man Business" though and that was supposed to come out on "Weapons Of Mass Destruction" and didn't Dre also produce the original version of "LAX" that featured Linkin Park?
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I wanna know why him and dre stopped working together. My guess is that faggot iovine.
Yeah, probably. It's all about that money. Dre produced "Grown Man Business" though and that was supposed to come out on "Weapons Of Mass Destruction" and didn't Dre also produce the original version of "LAX" that featured Linkin Park?
what about kendrik lamar then?
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I wanna know why him and dre stopped working together. My guess is that faggot iovine.
Yeah, probably. It's all about that money. Dre produced "Grown Man Business" though and that was supposed to come out on "Weapons Of Mass Destruction" and didn't Dre also produce the original version of "LAX" that featured Linkin Park?
what about kendrik lamar then?
Dre probably thinks that Kendrick Lamar is the next big thing on the West Coast.
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X just needs some better producers. He should of signed to Shady.
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For me, I couldn't really look at him the same after he did Pimp My Ride, he just seemed kind of corny.
Lets be honest, how was he ever going to match what happened on Restless. You had Dre's backing (which is kind of crazy because Dre never gets projects out) and all that star power.
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This is kinda like the whole Cube doing movies arguement but actually there are many examples of ehh Cube tracks.
Outside of maybe Concentrate, name me some tracks that Xzibit has fell the fuck off on because I am not seeing it. If anything he is just not as active with projects as he used to be. Pimp My Ride does not have shit to do with lyrics.
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Lets be honest, how was he ever going to match what happened on Restless. You had Dre's backing (which is kind of crazy because Dre never gets projects out) and all that star power.
Well, he tried for sure. "Man Vs. Machine" had Dre as the executive producer and he mixed 7 songs, but only produced 2 of them. "MVM" was a real weak album compared to "Restless" though. I think they should've made "Losin Your Mind" as the first single IMO. I think at that time Xzibit and Snoop Dogg wasn't gettin' along though so they could've not made a video for it. I'm not sure how much the album sold, but i'm sure it didn't sell as much as "Restless" did so i guess it was considered and that's probably why Dr. Dre stopped fuckin' with Xzibit or maybe Jimmy Iovine told him to start workin' with other artists or somethin' like that.
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I like how any conversation about Dr. Dre working with another artists basically develops into Jimmy Iovine being a pimp and Dr. Dre is his ho.
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I like how any conversation about Dr. Dre working with another artists basically develops into Jimmy Iovine being a pimp and Dr. Dre is his ho.
Hahah, it's probably like that though.
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This is kinda like the whole Cube doing movies arguement but actually there are many examples of ehh Cube tracks.
Outside of maybe Concentrate, name me some tracks that Xzibit has fell the fuck off on because I am not seeing it. If anything he is just not as active with projects as he used to be. Pimp My Ride does not have shit to do with lyrics.
I never said it did. I just said it changed the way I looked at him. Its alright if his stint on Pimp My Ride had no effect on you. It just looked like a sellout move to me.
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i jam all of his shit still today
dont see where he fell off
he got better lyrically each album..
his 1st two albums shitted on restless
sound wise restless was his most commercial album n i think he didnt need dre or quik...out of all his albums i hated that one
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i jam all of his shit still today
dont see where he fell off
he got better lyrically each album..
his 1st two albums shitted on restless
sound wise restless was his most commercial album n i think he didnt need dre or quik...out of all his albums i hated that one
Agreed. Weapons Of Mass Destruction was a personal classic.
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I think his albums fell off but i never heard "full circle". That "phenom" track is SICK!
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Lets be honest, how was he ever going to match what happened on Restless. You had Dre's backing (which is kind of crazy because Dre never gets projects out) and all that star power.
Well, he tried for sure. "Man Vs. Machine" had Dre as the executive producer and he mixed 7 songs, but only produced 2 of them. "MVM" was a real weak album compared to "Restless" though. I think they should've made "Losin Your Mind" as the first single IMO. I think at that time Xzibit and Snoop Dogg wasn't gettin' along though so they could've not made a video for it. I'm not sure how much the album sold, but i'm sure it didn't sell as much as "Restless" did so i guess it was considered and that's probably why Dr. Dre stopped fuckin' with Xzibit or maybe Jimmy Iovine told him to start workin' with other artists or somethin' like that.
You need to bring back the Dre's vision of Aftermath in early 2000s. He wanted to make a label that drops tons of dope artists with classic albums (according to Dre's interviews).. He signed too many artists, and it just fell off. Dre didnt have time for X.
Restless was a dope classic west coast record, thats why people in here love it so much (including me). After Restless, his albums werent bad, but to be as dope as X can be on many classic records, he needs some directions. He always spits dope, but he needs some great producer to work with him, to make a classic effect.
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Lets be honest, how was he ever going to match what happened on Restless. You had Dre's backing (which is kind of crazy because Dre never gets projects out) and all that star power.
Well, he tried for sure. "Man Vs. Machine" had Dre as the executive producer and he mixed 7 songs, but only produced 2 of them. "MVM" was a real weak album compared to "Restless" though. I think they should've made "Losin Your Mind" as the first single IMO. I think at that time Xzibit and Snoop Dogg wasn't gettin' along though so they could've not made a video for it. I'm not sure how much the album sold, but i'm sure it didn't sell as much as "Restless" did so i guess it was considered and that's probably why Dr. Dre stopped fuckin' with Xzibit or maybe Jimmy Iovine told him to start workin' with other artists or somethin' like that.
You need to bring back the Dre's vision of Aftermath in early 2000s. He wanted to make a label that drops tons of dope artists with classic albums (according to Dre's interviews).. He signed too many artists, and it just fell off. Dre didnt have time for X.
Restless was a dope classic west coast record, thats why people in here love it so much (including me). After Restless, his albums werent bad, but to be as dope as X can be on many classic records, he needs some directions. He always spits dope, but he needs some great producer to work with him, to make a classic effect.
True. I think for that kind of album (Restless) absolutely X needed that Dre touch and direction for it. For me I always felt like E-Swift and the Alkaholiks don't get much credit in the musical direction for Xzibit early in his career because for the first 2 albums they were instrumental in the sound of it. Another producer that I think would bring the best out of X is Muggs on a executive producer tip.
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xzibit was never a dope rapper. in the past he had a solid team around him & dope production, thats what carried him. but no that those niggaz are not fucking with him anymore his weaknesses are being exposed.niggaz like dre,Sir Jinx, Rockwilder & Erick Sermon made xzbit stand out.
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Lets be honest, how was he ever going to match what happened on Restless. You had Dre's backing (which is kind of crazy because Dre never gets projects out) and all that star power.
Well, he tried for sure. "Man Vs. Machine" had Dre as the executive producer and he mixed 7 songs, but only produced 2 of them. "MVM" was a real weak album compared to "Restless" though. I think they should've made "Losin Your Mind" as the first single IMO. I think at that time Xzibit and Snoop Dogg wasn't gettin' along though so they could've not made a video for it. I'm not sure how much the album sold, but i'm sure it didn't sell as much as "Restless" did so i guess it was considered and that's probably why Dr. Dre stopped fuckin' with Xzibit or maybe Jimmy Iovine told him to start workin' with other artists or somethin' like that.
You need to bring back the Dre's vision of Aftermath in early 2000s. He wanted to make a label that drops tons of dope artists with classic albums (according to Dre's interviews).. He signed too many artists, and it just fell off. Dre didnt have time for X.
Restless was a dope classic west coast record, thats why people in here love it so much (including me). After Restless, his albums werent bad, but to be as dope as X can be on many classic records, he needs some directions. He always spits dope, but he needs some great producer to work with him, to make a classic effect.
he does not need great producers...his 1st albums r classic nobody on either of em were great imo
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This is kinda like the whole Cube doing movies arguement but actually there are many examples of ehh Cube tracks.
Outside of maybe Concentrate, name me some tracks that Xzibit has fell the fuck off on because I am not seeing it. If anything he is just not as active with projects as he used to be. Pimp My Ride does not have shit to do with lyrics.
his new songs with young de
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Lets be honest, how was he ever going to match what happened on Restless. You had Dre's backing (which is kind of crazy because Dre never gets projects out) and all that star power.
Well, he tried for sure. "Man Vs. Machine" had Dre as the executive producer and he mixed 7 songs, but only produced 2 of them. "MVM" was a real weak album compared to "Restless" though. I think they should've made "Losin Your Mind" as the first single IMO. I think at that time Xzibit and Snoop Dogg wasn't gettin' along though so they could've not made a video for it. I'm not sure how much the album sold, but i'm sure it didn't sell as much as "Restless" did so i guess it was considered and that's probably why Dr. Dre stopped fuckin' with Xzibit or maybe Jimmy Iovine told him to start workin' with other artists or somethin' like that.
You need to bring back the Dre's vision of Aftermath in early 2000s. He wanted to make a label that drops tons of dope artists with classic albums (according to Dre's interviews).. He signed too many artists, and it just fell off. Dre didnt have time for X.
Restless was a dope classic west coast record, thats why people in here love it so much (including me). After Restless, his albums werent bad, but to be as dope as X can be on many classic records, he needs some directions. He always spits dope, but he needs some great producer to work with him, to make a classic effect.
he does not need great producers...his 1st albums r classic nobody on either of em were great imo
Oh, that dont have to be a rule.. he could've made a dope album himself, his first album had that underground vibe that he sounded good on, but look at his later work - what was missing?
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Pimp My Ride hurt his image immensely. When he got bottled he was out of commission for a while too and by then it all drifted away.
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Pimp My Ride hurt his image immensely
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When he started doing that show a lot of street cred was lost and I would think some exec's wouldn't have liked certain things becoming public. It's the same thing with Twitter/FB etc. In music it's music and you can say whatever but no one really knows how you really are. Twitter and FB have hurt a lot of artists sales (and helped) because their true personalities have shown on their comments. So instead of someone purchasing just the music you make they are buying your image as well. When the image can be distorted by public appearances, tv shows, twitter and other personal shit people judge differently.
He became a pop figure instead of the underdog from rags to riches. Happens to most or all rappers.
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When he started doing that show a lot of street cred was lost and I would think some exec's wouldn't have liked certain things becoming public. It's the same thing with Twitter/FB etc. In music it's music and you can say whatever but no one really knows how you really are. Twitter and FB have hurt a lot of artists sales (and helped) because their true personalities have shown on their comments. So instead of someone purchasing just the music you make they are buying your image as well. When the image can be distorted by public appearances, tv shows, twitter and other personal shit people judge differently.
He became a pop figure instead of the underdog from rags to riches. Happens to most or all rappers.
Mainstream music was never meant to be just music. Image was pretty often a big part of it.
I dont get why people would hate on X, for that show. He was funny as fuck on it. He didnt lose anything in my eyes for that.
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Lets be honest, how was he ever going to match what happened on Restless. You had Dre's backing (which is kind of crazy because Dre never gets projects out) and all that star power.
Well, he tried for sure. "Man Vs. Machine" had Dre as the executive producer and he mixed 7 songs, but only produced 2 of them. "MVM" was a real weak album compared to "Restless" though. I think they should've made "Losin Your Mind" as the first single IMO. I think at that time Xzibit and Snoop Dogg wasn't gettin' along though so they could've not made a video for it. I'm not sure how much the album sold, but i'm sure it didn't sell as much as "Restless" did so i guess it was considered and that's probably why Dr. Dre stopped fuckin' with Xzibit or maybe Jimmy Iovine told him to start workin' with other artists or somethin' like that.
You need to bring back the Dre's vision of Aftermath in early 2000s. He wanted to make a label that drops tons of dope artists with classic albums (according to Dre's interviews).. He signed too many artists, and it just fell off. Dre didnt have time for X.
Restless was a dope classic west coast record, thats why people in here love it so much (including me). After Restless, his albums werent bad, but to be as dope as X can be on many classic records, he needs some directions. He always spits dope, but he needs some great producer to work with him, to make a classic effect.
he does not need great producers...his 1st albums r classic nobody on either of em were great imo
Oh, that dont have to be a rule.. he could've made a dope album himself, his first album had that underground vibe that he sounded good on, but look at his later work - what was missing?
nothing...i dont buy x music for the producers..i bought it to hear x
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i think when an artist reaching the top the only way is going down that what happens with x-z too
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Whoever said x wasn't dope and needed dre is an idiot.
Go listen to 40 days and 40 nightz, Which was way better then restless.
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Lets be honest, how was he ever going to match what happened on Restless. You had Dre's backing (which is kind of crazy because Dre never gets projects out) and all that star power.
Well, he tried for sure. "Man Vs. Machine" had Dre as the executive producer and he mixed 7 songs, but only produced 2 of them. "MVM" was a real weak album compared to "Restless" though. I think they should've made "Losin Your Mind" as the first single IMO. I think at that time Xzibit and Snoop Dogg wasn't gettin' along though so they could've not made a video for it. I'm not sure how much the album sold, but i'm sure it didn't sell as much as "Restless" did so i guess it was considered and that's probably why Dr. Dre stopped fuckin' with Xzibit or maybe Jimmy Iovine told him to start workin' with other artists or somethin' like that.
You need to bring back the Dre's vision of Aftermath in early 2000s. He wanted to make a label that drops tons of dope artists with classic albums (according to Dre's interviews).. He signed too many artists, and it just fell off. Dre didnt have time for X.
Restless was a dope classic west coast record, thats why people in here love it so much (including me). After Restless, his albums werent bad, but to be as dope as X can be on many classic records, he needs some directions. He always spits dope, but he needs some great producer to work with him, to make a classic effect.
he does not need great producers...his 1st albums r classic nobody on either of em were great imo
Oh, that dont have to be a rule.. he could've made a dope album himself, his first album had that underground vibe that he sounded good on, but look at his later work - what was missing?
nothing...i dont buy x music for the producers..i bought it to hear x
Um, okey. If you say so. But for me, the direction of his latest albums wasnt anything special. Just compilation of tracks, without any special meaning. (of course album quality, not any mixtape shit)
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Whoever said x wasn't dope and needed dre is an idiot.
Go listen to 40 days and 40 nightz, Which was way better then restless.
Preach. The sad part about it though is you have a good portion of his fanbase that just started paying attention to X after Restless came out and do not bother to listen to his 1st 2 albums.
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Whoever said x wasn't dope and needed dre is an idiot.
Go listen to 40 days and 40 nightz, Which was way better then restless.
Preach. The sad part about it though is you have a good portion of his fanbase that just started paying attention to X after Restless came out and do not bother to listen to his 1st 2 albums.
That's exactly it right there. They are dre fans first and look at xzibit as someone who dre created. When in fact rolling with dre hurt his career artistically. What u see is what u get > the entire restless album
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i dont think he fell off. his music may have become 'weaker'. i think WOMD was a good album, it was a different phase of his career which brought a mature and distinct sound at the time of release.
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i jam all of his shit still today
dont see where he fell off
he got better lyrically each album..
his 1st two albums shitted on restless
sound wise restless was his most commercial album n i think he didnt need dre or quik...out of all his albums i hated that one
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I don't think he fell off at all. "Full Circle" isn't bad by any means. & his album before that "WOSD", is a personal classic of mine & I've seen plenty others say similar things.
Not to mention, all his recent leaks have been ill. 8)
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i think when an artist reaching the top the only way is going down that what happens with x-z too
I don't think he really peaked out to his fullest potential. His margin of error was a lot more strict than others got, for example, his one so-so album was his demise on the big stage. Man v. Machine went Gold and then we never really heard from him again from a mainstream perspective. Jay-Z, Nas, Fabolous, Snoop, Ludacris, Nelly, and others all were allowed mediocore albums, then they came back again, but it's like, X got X'd.
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Whoever said x wasn't dope and needed dre is an idiot.
Go listen to 40 days and 40 nightz, Which was way better then restless.
Preach. The sad part about it though is you have a good portion of his fanbase that just started paying attention to X after Restless came out and do not bother to listen to his 1st 2 albums.
That's exactly it right there. They are dre fans first and look at xzibit as someone who dre created. When in fact rolling with dre hurt his career artistically. What u see is what u get > the entire restless album
Yeah you can tell when a person started listening to Xzibit pretty much off of what their favorite album is. I'm not saying Restless is not a incredible album because it is but 40 Dayz was on some other shit. I take that back, usually, because I have converted a couple people over to his 2nd and many more at the very least appreciated his music more after listening to 40 Dayz
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x fell off cuz he gettin money B
this shit always happens he just another case son
fat joe??
50 cent??
cam'ron??
warren g??
bone thugs??
twista??
niggaz gettin that gwap so they aint gotta work as hard. an nigga bang out tracks like nothing so they over saturate THEMSELVES! IMO
all i gotta say is that he aint coming back period point blank he might get a video premiere on BET or mtv but as far as mainstream success it's over B. but dont get me wrong yo, i love x's stuff(well his first 3 albums) dude was raw as fuck but he been through alot with his daughter dying an shit you dont have the same passion.
before niggaz rapped cuz they wanted too and had too.
now niggaz rap cuz they HAVE TOO!!
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For me, I couldn't really look at him the same after he did Pimp My Ride, he just seemed kind of corny.
Lets be honest, how was he ever going to match what happened on Restless. You had Dre's backing (which is kind of crazy because Dre never gets projects out) and all that star power.
Your right.... but he also had similar opportunities on "Man Vs. Machine" 2002, but he failed to deliver. I mean Em hooked his ass up with "Say My Name", and Dre hooked him up with "Symphony In X Minor"... Nate was hooking him up... I mean the pieces were there he just wasn't as hungry any more.
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This is kinda like the whole Cube doing movies arguement but actually there are many examples of ehh Cube tracks.
Outside of maybe Concentrate, name me some tracks that Xzibit has fell the fuck off on because I am not seeing it. If anything he is just not as active with projects as he used to be. Pimp My Ride does not have shit to do with lyrics.
his new songs with young de
Yup, Agreed. I think he has done solid work right up until that EP. These new tracks should never have seen the light of day. He has been fire up until that point :-\
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I loved Pimp My Ride, it was cool, but in the meantime he should've dropped another album or so & that would've kept him alive
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I loved Pimp My Ride, it was cool, but in the meantime he should've dropped another album or so & that would've kept him alive
IMO after his sucess with the show he wasn't as hungry, as with most rappers
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Seems like im one of few who thinks "at speed of life" is his best album. One of my top ten favourite albums actualy.
I think peoples who say that after pimp my ride he fell of is right. I enjoyed the show, but like pointed out before he diddent seems as hungry at all anymore.
Full Circle is a very decent album thought. He`s 4th best for me.
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Ok people you cant have it both ways. So did he fall off or is he just not putting albums out on a regular basis? That is not the same thing.
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Ok people you cant have it both ways. So did he fall off or is he just not putting albums out on a regular basis? That is not the same thing.
To me, he dossent make as good songs as he used to do, so falling off.
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i heard some new song he did and that shit was super weak . he tryna do that mainstream rap garbage
at the speed of life , 40 dayz and nights , were his best