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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: Your favorite posters favorite poster on June 17, 2011, 06:33:25 AM
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Sounding album. Me Against the World. Its no coincidence his best album was his most east coast sounding album. He even showed loved and respect to NY with Old School. It was his most introspective and poetic album and hands down his best. Its not AEOM because it was to commercial to be his best. And its not Makaveli because it basically intorduced the Outlawz to the world. Granted they were on a number of songs before that but Makaveli should of been called Makaveli and the Outlawz. And if you groupies can look past the 2pac ties, the outlawz were fucking wack. The only outlaw worth a damn was Hussein Fatal and he wasn't even on the damn album
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I've always thought that too. Easily his best album.
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yup best pac album by far...and imo his FIRST good album...
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I prefer Makaveli, its more complex, with some grimey tracks and some party tracks
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i also agree this was his first good album...
back then i was a huge digital underground fan and becasue of that i was very familiar with pacs work but this was the first album he did aside from the thuglife project that had me like damn.
if u listen to it today it still holds up....it set some trends as far as how hip hop albums would be structured for years to come
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I mean personally, they both are great albums. I love "Me Against The World" but, I think "The 7 Day Theory" is one cold piece. Both of those recording sessions brought out some great material. It's hard to say which is better but, "All Eyez On Me" is his most successful album selling over 5 million albums at the time of his death.
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I prefer Makaveli, its more complex, with some grimey tracks and some party tracks
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7 Day Theory is his best album.
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agreed, Me against the world was his best. All Eyes on Me was really dope because it was 26 (?) tracks strong and had great productions and many good features, but yeah more commercial and like a greatest hits album, while MATW was more cohesive.
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I agree, Me Against the World, was a trendsetter, his best work, 7 day theory a close 2nd.
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1. Me Against The World
2. 7 Day Theory
3. All Eyez On Me
That's how I see it. I wish he woulda done more of his albums in a similar manner to Me Against The World.
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So makaveli is not the best because the outlawz were on it? Lmao geez the people on this forum are getting worst. Dre give these niggas detox or somethin
An album that features blasphemy, hold ya head, krazy, hail mary, and against all odds will always be the best hip hop album ever
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So makaveli is not the best because the outlawz were on it? Lmao geez the people on this forum are getting worst. Dre give these niggas detox or somethin
An album that features blasphemy, hold ya head, krazy, hail mary, and against all odds will always be the best hip hop album ever
I can careless about Detox
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All Eyez On Me is his best album
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I agree, Me Against the World, was a trendsetter, his best work, 7 day theory a close 2nd.
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Tom, first off your signature and avatar is disgusting. It makes it hard for me to read your posts. You may claim you aren't into porn anymore, but that filth is just as bad...
But anyway... to stay on topic, that's arguable that Me Against The World was his best album. Because All Eyez On Me was the album that catapulted him to the top of the rap game. I mean, he was just another star in hip-hop with Me Against the World. He was another Ice Cube, Snoop, Dogg Pound, Nas, or any other popular platinum selling artist. But he wasn't running hip-hop and dominating the game like Michael Jordan.
It was All Eyez On Me that officially made him the Michael Jordan of hip-hop. And as far as darker, introspective sounding albums go, the Mackevelli album had a similar theme and sound to Me Against The World and is certainly comparable as well.
So all 3 are 5 mic classic, flawless albums. Me Against the World, All Eyez On Me, and 7 Day Theory
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infinite is a confused muslim honkey his opinions never count.
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infinite is a confused muslim honkey his opinions never count.
hahahaha, and you've never said a meaningful word in your life. I don't think you know how to express anything more than wise-ass sarcasm and humor that was funny in 6th grade!
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Tom, first off your signature and avatar is disgusting. It makes it hard for me to read your posts. You may claim you aren't into porn anymore, but that filth is just as bad...
But anyway... to stay on topic, that's arguable that Me Against The World was his best album. Because All Eyez On Me was the album that catapulted him to the top of the rap game. I mean, he was just another star in hip-hop with Me Against the World. He was another Ice Cube, Snoop, Dogg Pound, Nas, or any other popular platinum selling artist. But he wasn't running hip-hop and dominating the game like Michael Jordan.
It was All Eyez On Me that officially made him the Michael Jordan of hip-hop. And as far as darker, introspective sounding albums go, the Mackevelli album had a similar theme and sound to Me Against The World and is certainly comparable as well.
So all 3 are 5 mic classic, flawless albums. Me Against the World, All Eyez On Me, and 7 Day Theory
"All Eyez" was a fun, West Coast party album with a lot of his best records on it but I'm amazed at how overlooked the filler is. Yes, it brought him to a new level as a commercial artist but it was more Lebron James going to the Heat than some kind of Michael Jordan move. He went over to Death Row and created some real controversy but it was combining two established formulas to make something huge. There's no denying the impact of "All Eyez On Me" on pop music but artistically, it's not even close to Pac's best work. It's quantity over quality.
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infinite is a confused muslim honkey his opinions never count.
hahahaha, and you've never said a meaningful word in your life. I don't think you know how to express anything more than wise-ass sarcasm and humor that was funny in 6th grade!
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infinite is a confused muslim honkey his opinions never count.
hahahaha, and you've never said a meaningful word in your life. I don't think you know how to express anything more than wise-ass sarcasm and humor that was funny in 6th grade!
(http://static.images.memegenerator.net/Instances400/7/8084/8278647.jpg)
Another meaningless post!! Is your goal to make everyday as worthless as the previous one?
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Tom, first off your signature and avatar is disgusting. It makes it hard for me to read your posts. You may claim you aren't into porn anymore, but that filth is just as bad...
But anyway... to stay on topic, that's arguable that Me Against The World was his best album. Because All Eyez On Me was the album that catapulted him to the top of the rap game. I mean, he was just another star in hip-hop with Me Against the World. He was another Ice Cube, Snoop, Dogg Pound, Nas, or any other popular platinum selling artist. But he wasn't running hip-hop and dominating the game like Michael Jordan.
It was All Eyez On Me that officially made him the Michael Jordan of hip-hop. And as far as darker, introspective sounding albums go, the Mackevelli album had a similar theme and sound to Me Against The World and is certainly comparable as well.
So all 3 are 5 mic classic, flawless albums. Me Against the World, All Eyez On Me, and 7 Day Theory
So the Ultimate Warrior shaking the ropes is disgusting ? You got some issues Bri
Back to the topic, yea sure AEOM took him to the top but that doesn't say anything about the quality of music. IWW made Nas a big name but not his best album. Murda Muzik is Mobb Deeps best selling album but not their best album or even 2nd best. I believe 2001 sold more than the chronic, does it make it a more impactful album. ? See sales and all that don't matter in this discussion. As far as quality goes, Pac's best album was MATW and that album sounded like it could of came from an east coast rapper.
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Its no coincidence his best album was his most east coast sounding album.
How is that ? It's not that i don't necessarily agree with you it's just you come up with a point with no explanation behind. Why is it no coincidence that his best album was his most eastcoast album ? Because eastcoast music is better ?
And if you groupies can look past the 2pac ties, the outlawz were fucking wack. The only outlaw worth a damn was Hussein Fatal and he wasn't even on the damn album
I disagree. I'm not a huge fan of the outlawz, never been but saying they're wack is reaching imo. Fatal and Kadafi were the best, Napoleon and EDI were potent rappers (and edi is a talented producer too). they were never on Pac's level but they had talent.
but yeah Me against the world is my favorite pac album, no doubt. my favorite song are the ones with a westcoast feel though (Death Around The Corner, Fuck The World, Young Niggaz, Heavy in the Game). although I play AEOM more regularly (which doesn't mean i listen to it very often though) due to the bigger amount of material on the album.
I disagree with the filler part on All Eyez On Me. I know where people are coming from but from the first day I listened to that album I immediately loved almost all the tracks. But the tracks definitely lack focus, content and depth at times, so that's why I prefer Me Against The World. I mean Pac and his conspirators rarely stick to the song's theme (if there is any), the lyrics can be either nonsensical, shallow or ridiculous but the vibe is so great and the production is amazing (thanks to especially DJ Quik, Johnny J, Mike Mosley & Rick Rock).
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infinite is a confused muslim honkey his opinions never count.
hahahaha, and you've never said a meaningful word in your life. I don't think you know how to express anything more than wise-ass sarcasm and humor that was funny in 6th grade!
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Another meaningless post!! Is your goal to make everyday as worthless as the previous one?
how can this guy be a mod ? writing long posts doesn´t make someone intelligent for fucks sake .
agreed, AEOM is my favorite from him , though i´ve always felt his albums had some fillers . 7 day theory comes second
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infinite is a confused muslim honkey his opinions never count.
hahahaha, and you've never said a meaningful word in your life. I don't think you know how to express anything more than wise-ass sarcasm and humor that was funny in 6th grade!
(http://static.images.memegenerator.net/Instances400/7/8084/8278647.jpg)
Another meaningless post!! Is your goal to make everyday as worthless as the previous one?
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AEOM has more standout tracks but for me its a toss up between MATW and Makaveli. I'd probably go with Me Against The World because the production is better, 7 Day Theory had alot of no name producers with a raw sound but the mixing was a little poor.
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For me it's his second best album. Behind makavelli. And membersof outlawz were featured on me against the world.
And Jimmy h. If I remember correctly you called life after death a classic, but to me that's just subjective. You say people overlook the filler on aeom but for me I only dislike whatz ya phone #. Where as life after death I skip almost half the song because thier just filler to me. Now ready to die is a flawless album but life after death seemed like biggies attempt at his own aeom.Which in my eyes he failed at.
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"All Eyez" was a fun, West Coast party album with a lot of his best records on it but I'm amazed at how overlooked the filler is. Yes, it brought him to a new level as a commercial artist but it was more Lebron James going to the Heat than some kind of Michael Jordan move. He went over to Death Row and created some real controversy but it was combining two established formulas to make something huge. There's no denying the impact of "All Eyez On Me" on pop music but artistically, it's not even close to Pac's best work. It's quantity over quality.
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Sounding album. Me Against the World. Its no coincidence his best album was his most east coast sounding album. He even showed loved and respect to NY with Old School. It was his most introspective and poetic album and hands down his best. Its not AEOM because it was to commercial to be his best. And its not Makaveli because it basically intorduced the Outlawz to the world. Granted they were on a number of songs before that but Makaveli should of been called Makaveli and the Outlawz. And if you groupies can look past the 2pac ties, the outlawz were fucking wack. The only outlaw worth a damn was Hussein Fatal and he wasn't even on the damn album
Makaveli had 12 songs
4 with the Outlawz
that makes no sense but I do think MATW was Pac's second best overall album to Makaveli
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"Me Against The World" and "Makaveli" are the quintesential Pac albums to me. He had some standout tracks on his early stuff but he never quite had that balance that he did on these two.
I believe I've said it before but "All Eyez" is like watching the Dream Team perform. Yes, they excel but it's the best fucking people in the game doing what they do best. "Makaveli" is the kind of album that anyone that wants to be a true artist should emulate. Here was a guy who had just about every super producer and artist at his disposal and he went twelve tracks deep with some lesser known producers and outside of "Toss It Up", just used mostly unknowns from his own team. Someone like The Game needs that. "L.A.X." should have been him saying, "Okay. I did my album with world famous guests and producers. Here's a record where I show you what I can do." But record labels don't have that confidence in artists anymore.
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"Me Against The World" and "Makaveli" are the quintesential Pac albums to me. He had some standout tracks on his early stuff but he never quite had that balance that he did on these two.
I believe I've said it before but "All Eyez" is like watching the Dream Team perform. Yes, they excel but it's the best fucking people in the game doing what they do best. "Makaveli" is the kind of album that anyone that wants to be a true artist should emulate. Here was a guy who had just about every super producer and artist at his disposal and he went twelve tracks deep with some lesser known producers and outside of "Toss It Up", just used mostly unknowns from his own team. Someone like The Game needs that. "L.A.X." should have been him saying, "Okay. I did my album with world famous guests and producers. Here's a record where I show you what I can do." But record labels don't have that confidence in artists anymore.
Been saying this shit about artist for years, but don't just blame the label, blame glam yell
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AEOM has more standout tracks but for me its a toss up between MATW and Makaveli. I'd probably go with Me Against The World because the production is better, 7 Day Theory had alot of no name producers with a raw sound but the mixing was a little poor.
i think me against the world has better content, but some of the beats sound cheap to me
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So makaveli is not the best because the outlawz were on it? Lmao geez the people on this forum are getting worst.
Quality of posting has gone down drastically lately.
Anyways, as mentioned by a few others, the Makaveli album was his deepest and had the most range. I like "Me Against The World", but after joining Death Row 2pac had the motivation and hunger to put out his best work. You can backhand compliment it as a "commercial" album, however AEOM is a landmark album in hip-hop history. That's a fact that cannot be denied by anyone that knows hip-hop.
Yes, it brought him to a new level as a commercial artist but it was more Lebron James going to the Heat than some kind of Michael Jordan move.
If you want to use a Jordan analogy, Pac joining Death Row and dropping AEOM was more like Jordan coming out of retirement and then leading the Bulls to the greatest season in NBA history the following year. If you saw someone like R. Kelly or Wu-Tang sign with Death Row, then the LeBron analogy could be used IMO.
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And as far as darker, introspective sounding albums go, the Mackevelli album had a similar theme and sound to Me Against The World and is certainly comparable as well
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AEOM has more standout tracks but for me its a toss up between MATW and Makaveli. I'd probably go with Me Against The World because the production is better, 7 Day Theory had alot of no name producers with a raw sound but the mixing was a little poor.
i think me against the world has better content, but some of the beats sound cheap to me
cheap? like what?
young niggas, lord knows, temptations, so many tears, fuck the world, old school, MATW, dear mama, heavy in the game.......these are some of the dopest beats
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And as far as darker, introspective sounding albums go, the Mackevelli album had a similar theme and sound to Me Against The World and is certainly comparable as well
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agreed...he's embarassing us whites
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cant even type his heros album title correctly.
he probably pronounces it 2pack
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cant even type his heros album title correctly.
he probably pronounces it 2pack
2-pack Shaker
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2pack of newports and biggie fries.
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2pack of newports and biggie fries.
WENDYS 8)
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AEOM has more standout tracks but for me its a toss up between MATW and Makaveli. I'd probably go with Me Against The World because the production is better, 7 Day Theory had alot of no name producers with a raw sound but the mixing was a little poor.
bomb first, hail mary, blashpemy, against all odds, hold ya head
4 of pac's 10 best beats on one album 8)
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AEOM has more standout tracks but for me its a toss up between MATW and Makaveli. I'd probably go with Me Against The World because the production is better, 7 Day Theory had alot of no name producers with a raw sound but the mixing was a little poor.
i think me against the world has better content, but some of the beats sound cheap to me
The content is dope but the production fit nicely IMO. I think I would use the word simple to best describe it.
AEOM has more standout tracks but for me its a toss up between MATW and Makaveli. I'd probably go with Me Against The World because the production is better, 7 Day Theory had alot of no name producers with a raw sound but the mixing was a little poor.
bomb first, hail mary, blashpemy, against all odds, hold ya head
4 of pac's 10 best beats on one album 8)
The beats are dope but the mixing and mastering was poor
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I prefer Makaveli, its more complex, with some grimey tracks and some party tracks
hurt-em-bad & darryl harper did amazing work and then just disappered
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I prefer Makaveli, its more complex, with some grimey tracks and some party tracks
hurt-em-bad & darryl harper did amazing work and then just disappered
This falls into that area where 2pac didn't get enough credit. It's been said many times that 2pac was the driving force of many of these productions. Guys like Hurt em bad and Johnny j being conduits to his vision. It's the reason they haven't worked much since. Alone they simply aren't as great as they were with 2pac.
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Sounding album. Me Against the World. Its no coincidence his best album was his most east coast sounding album. He even showed loved and respect to NY with Old School. It was his most introspective and poetic album and hands down his best. Its not AEOM because it was to commercial to be his best. And its not Makaveli because it basically intorduced the Outlawz to the world. Granted they were on a number of songs before that but Makaveli should of been called Makaveli and the Outlawz. And if you groupies can look past the 2pac ties, the outlawz were fucking wack. The only outlaw worth a damn was Hussein Fatal and he wasn't even on the damn album
Makaveli had 12 songs
4 with the Outlawz
that makes no sense but I do think MATW was Pac's second best overall album to Makaveli
Thats a little over 30%.... thats to much
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Most hip hop albums contain tons of features.
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Most hip hop albums contain tons of features.
I'm not calling out Pac for having features, I didn't say anything about Krazy w/ Bad Azz. That's a classic track. I'm calling Pac for giving over 30% of his album to quite possibly he wackest crew of all time, the Outlawz
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^STFU lame. 2Pac was a prophet.
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Here was a guy who had just about every super producer and artist at his disposal and he went twelve tracks deep with some lesser known producers and outside of "Toss It Up", just used mostly unknowns from his own team. Someone like The Game needs that. "L.A.X." should have been him saying, "Okay. I did my album with world famous guests and producers. Here's a record where I show you what I can do." But record labels don't have that confidence in artists anymore.
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cant even type his heros album title correctly.
he probably pronounces it 2pack
LOL.
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Most hip hop albums contain tons of features.
I'm not calling out Pac for having features, I didn't say anything about Krazy w/ Bad Azz. That's a classic track. I'm calling Pac for giving over 30% of his album to quite possibly he wackest crew of all time, the Outlawz
That's just your opinion though, it's all subjective. Outlawz might not have been great but they shit all over the current generation of mainstream hip hop such as lil b, wiz khalifa, Rick Ross, gucci mane etc. Each member of the outlawz while hit or miss have classic verses that throughout the years have been bitten( or paid homage to).
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you couldnt say it was his best album and leave it at that ? you had to go and say this one is this and that one is that....your out to assassinate a dead man's CHARACTER. fuck yo daddy issues, its not Pac's fault, but it seems you had his album in heavy rotation around the time you got traumatized.
LMAO you watch sweaty half naked men grab each other.....
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you couldnt say it was his best album and leave it at that ? you had to go and say this one is this and that one is that....your out to assassinate a dead man's CHARACTER. fuck yo daddy issues, its not Pac's fault, but it seems you had his album in heavy rotation around the time you got traumatized.
LMAO you watch sweaty half naked men grab each other.....
Never mentioned character issues in this thread. And because I criticism Pac that means I have daddy issues. GTFOH with that stupid ass shit son. Are all Native Americans this fucking stupid or just you. No wonder it was so easy to take this country from you guys
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Most hip hop albums contain tons of features.
I'm not calling out Pac for having features, I didn't say anything about Krazy w/ Bad Azz. That's a classic track. I'm calling Pac for giving over 30% of his album to quite possibly he wackest crew of all time, the Outlawz
Outlawz might not have been great but they shit all over the current generation of mainstream hip hop such as lil b, wiz khalifa, Rick Ross, gucci mane etc.
Yes.
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outlawz are the westcoast equivalent to junior mafia
weed carriers
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Most hip hop albums contain tons of features.
I'm not calling out Pac for having features, I didn't say anything about Krazy w/ Bad Azz. That's a classic track. I'm calling Pac for giving over 30% of his album to quite possibly he wackest crew of all time, the Outlawz
That's just your opinion though, it's all subjective. Outlawz might not have been great but they shit all over the current generation of mainstream hip hop such as lil b, wiz khalifa, Rick Ross, gucci mane etc. Each member of the outlawz while hit or miss have classic verses that throughout the years have been bitten( or paid homage to).
lol, seriously? does being slightly less shitty than a very shitty rapper make one good? I dont understand how bringing up Gucci Mane as a comparison says anything at all about another rapper. I could use that logic to say my grandmother's a good rapper. If you can't find a good rapper they are better than it means they aren't good.
Name one classic Outlawz verse. For the record I see every member of the Outlawz as being on Rick Ross level or lower. They shouldn't have been allowed anywhere near a Pac track.
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But Fatal and Khadafi was tight....can't no one deny that!!! 8)
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But Fatal and Khadafi was tight....can't no one deny that!!! 8)
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Most hip hop albums contain tons of features.
I'm not calling out Pac for having features, I didn't say anything about Krazy w/ Bad Azz. That's a classic track. I'm calling Pac for giving over 30% of his album to quite possibly he wackest crew of all time, the Outlawz
That's just your opinion though, it's all subjective. Outlawz might not have been great but they shit all over the current generation of mainstream hip hop such as lil b, wiz khalifa, Rick Ross, gucci mane etc. Each member of the outlawz while hit or miss have classic verses that throughout the years have been bitten( or paid homage to).
lol, seriously? does being slightly less shitty than a very shitty rapper make one good? I dont understand how bringing up Gucci Mane as a comparison says anything at all about another rapper. I could use that logic to say my grandmother's a good rapper. If you can't find a good rapper they are better than it means they aren't good.
Name one classic Outlawz verse. For the record I see every member of the Outlawz as being on Rick Ross level or lower. They shouldn't have been allowed anywhere near a Pac track.
every Fatal and Kadafi verse for the most post (look at Fatal on the song Initiated, he outshines Pac and kurupt at age 19)
Noble's verse on Hail Mary is classic, Napoleon's verse on They Dont Give a Fuck about Us, Big Syke's Picture me Rolling verse
shit i could go on with amazing verses by Outlaw members
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Outlawz on hit em up gets reused time and time again. Those are classic diss verses.
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Outlawz on hit em up gets reused time and time again. Those are classic diss verses.
lmao classic diss song but the verses themselves blow. The intensity and violence are what made the song so big.
For the record, a Pac song being classic and being paid homage to doesn't make the Outlawz lyrics good. Pac made hits and these clowns were lucky to be on them. Protect Ya Neck is also a classic song, that doesn't mean that U-God's 4 bars aren't shit. Lets see these great verses being posted.
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1. Me Against The World
2. 7 Day Theory
3. All Eyez On Me
That's how I see it. I wish he woulda done more of his albums in a similar manner to Me Against The World.
this...we're not all gonna agree, and everyones entitled to their opinions, but some of the justification in this thread is just plain stupid!
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Edi's verse sucked on hit em up. Fatal and kadafi? Stoppit, those verses were crack! Its no coincidence that when pac needed riders he grabbed fatal and yak.
And dude is right, people have reused fatal's part quite a few times
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Khadafi 16's at time was sloppy...sometimes he rapped all the way into the chorus on most songs...lol...but he had a rugged and witty style.....Fatal.....no comments....them 2 was the OUTLAWZ....period!!! ;)