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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: Sccit on June 26, 2011, 11:51:50 PM
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Some of you may already know this, but i never gave much thought to this before today...when comparing Kobe's and Jordan's scoring accomplishments, i noticed how much higher the amount of scoring was in the league back when Jordan played.
Just to take the two players highest scoring years as an example, MJ scored 37.1 ppg in 1986-1987, when teams were averaging 109.9 ppg. In contrast, Kobe scored 35.4 ppg in 2005-2006, when teams were averaging 97.1 ppg.
Or, to put it another way:
MJ: 37.1/109.9 = 0.337579618
Kobe: 35.4/97.1 = 0.364572606
Kobe's "ratio," based on 109.9 points per game, would have equaled 40.1 ppg.
When seen in the context of his era, Kobe's peak scoring is even more impressive.
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lol, too bad we're talking about years neither team won & Kobe was playing a "D-league roster", chucking up an unbelievable amount of shots.
Your ENTIRE argument against LeBron is what he does in the playoffs & his regular season stats mean nothing. Then when when it's Jordan vs. Kobe, you get all hypocritical & post regular season statistics. Not to mention, you're crediting Kobe for scoring points he didn't actually score. "IF KOBE PLAYED THEN, HE MOST LIKELY WOULD HAVE SCORED 40 PPG, THEREFORE HE'S BETTER THAN JORDAN". How you sound? :laugh:
Speaking of which, LeBron has never been eliminated in the first round of the playoffs lol.
On top of that, Jordan was three years pro then & Kobe's stats are nine years pro.
The more I look into Jordan to find a hole for a LeBron case in the future, the more I realize how great MJ was & how nobody really comes close.
Go to sleep.
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lol, too bad we're talking about years neither team won & Kobe was playing a "D-league roster", chucking up an unbelievable amount of shots.
Your ENTIRE argument against LeBron is what he does in the playoffs & his regular season stats mean nothing. Then when when it's Jordan vs. Kobe, you get all hypocritical & post regular season statistics. Not to mention, you're crediting Kobe for scoring points he didn't actually score. "IF KOBE PLAYED THEN, HE MOST LIKELY WOULD HAVE SCORED 40 PPG, THEREFORE HE'S BETTER THAN JORDAN". How you sound? :laugh:
Speaking of which, LeBron has never been eliminated in the first round of the playoffs lol.
On top of that, Jordan was three years pro then & Kobe's stats are nine years pro.
The more I look into Jordan to find a hole for a LeBron case in the future, the more I realize how great MJ was & how nobody really comes close.
Go to sleep.
Precise. +1
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damn nikcc you in love with kobe or something?? you an embarrassment to laker fans, let kobe do kobe and let him win his own rings without being compared to MJ, MJ is MJ, Kobe is Kobe and you sound like a teenie bopper
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lol, too bad we're talking about years neither team won & Kobe was playing a "D-league roster", chucking up an unbelievable amount of shots.
Your ENTIRE argument against LeBron is what he does in the playoffs & his regular season stats mean nothing. Then when when it's Jordan vs. Kobe, you get all hypocritical & post regular season statistics. Not to mention, you're crediting Kobe for scoring points he didn't actually score. "IF KOBE PLAYED THEN, HE MOST LIKELY WOULD HAVE SCORED 40 PPG, THEREFORE HE'S BETTER THAN JORDAN". How you sound? :laugh:
Speaking of which, LeBron has never been eliminated in the first round of the playoffs lol.
On top of that, Jordan was three years pro then & Kobe's stats are nine years pro.
The more I look into Jordan to find a hole for a LeBron case in the future, the more I realize how great MJ was & how nobody really comes close.
Go to sleep.
why u gettin so bitter, son? i just presented an interesting fact, one which u probably never even thought of, and u hop all over my nuts for it...quit bringing lebron into the equation like the little groupie u are...mj has 6 rings, kobe has 5.....lebron has 0. that shit must make it harder for u to cum when u jerk it to his pictures or some shit...get help, son.
i never said anything about kobe "most likely scoring 40 ppg"...i presented a fact, that in terms of ratio, 35.4/97.1=40.1/109.9....too bad ur too fucking retarded to understand and had to get ur panties in a bunch over it. i never said it's the reason kobe could be better....in fact, it's usually the jordan groupies who use jordan's stats from his championshipless season to say Kobe can't touch him...btw, u say kobe "chucked up an unbelievable amount of shots", yet jordan "chucked up" even more shots in his greatest scoring season...it's time to stop getting so obviously emotional over lebron not being on jordan or kobe's caliber. at least do a better job of hiding it.
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damn nikcc you in love with kobe or something?? you an embarrassment to laker fans, let kobe do kobe and let him win his own rings without being compared to MJ, MJ is MJ, Kobe is Kobe and you sound like a teenie bopper
LOL, i have a new fan
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Some of you may already know this, but i never gave much thought to this before today...when comparing Kobe's and Jordan's scoring accomplishments, i noticed how much higher the amount of scoring was in the league back when Jordan played.
Just to take the two players highest scoring years as an example, MJ scored 37.1 ppg in 1986-1987, when teams were averaging 109.9 ppg. In contrast, Kobe scored 35.4 ppg in 2005-2006, when teams were averaging 97.1 ppg.
Or, to put it another way:
MJ: 37.1/109.9 = 0.337579618
Kobe: 35.4/97.1 = 0.364572606
Kobe's "ratio," based on 109.9 points per game, would have equaled 40.1 ppg.
When seen in the context of his era, Kobe's peak scoring is even more impressive.
Imagine what Kobe could average if he was as efficient offensively as MJ
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.539 > .469
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LOL thier is NO Kobe vs Jordan debate except in your mind.I don't think I've seen anyone but a laker groupie even think thier is a debate
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LOL thier is NO Kobe vs Jordan debate except in your mind.I don't think I've seen anyone but a laker groupie even think thier is a debate
That's what I'm saying. This guy says I'm bitter...you just sat there & came up with some crazy statistic to attempt to prove a point that is just irrelevant.
My favorite part of your posts is how you demand people to agree with you or else they're "nutriding". It's simply amazing how defensive you get when people shut you up.
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damn nikcc you in love with kobe or something?? you an embarrassment to laker fans, let kobe do kobe and let him win his own rings without being compared to MJ, MJ is MJ, Kobe is Kobe and you sound like a teenie bopper
MJ got 5 MVP awards too, kobe? only 1
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Some of you may already know this, but i never gave much thought to this before today...when comparing Kobe's and Jordan's scoring accomplishments, i noticed how much higher the amount of scoring was in the league back when Jordan played.
Just to take the two players highest scoring years as an example, MJ scored 37.1 ppg in 1986-1987, when teams were averaging 109.9 ppg. In contrast, Kobe scored 35.4 ppg in 2005-2006, when teams were averaging 97.1 ppg.
Or, to put it another way:
MJ: 37.1/109.9 = 0.337579618
Kobe: 35.4/97.1 = 0.364572606
Kobe's "ratio," based on 109.9 points per game, would have equaled 40.1 ppg.
When seen in the context of his era, Kobe's peak scoring is even more impressive.
Imagine what Kobe could average if he was as efficient offensively as MJ
actually, as i pointed out previously, in Kobe's last 6 playoffs, his efficiency percentage has been higher than Jordan in his last 6 playoffs with the Bulls.....lmao. That's for EACH YEAR, not on average. suck that one, son.
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.539 > .469
and what percentage is that, exactly? in Jordan's highest scoring season, he shot 48% while averaging less than one 3 point attempted per game. over the course of his career, he shot 49.7%.....having an efficient long range jumpshot>not having a dependable shot from outside. percentages do not take into account how much range u have. Shaq shot 58% on his career...58%>any season Jordan ever had. thats right, son.
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LOL thier is NO Kobe vs Jordan debate except in your mind.I don't think I've seen anyone but a laker groupie even think thier is a debate
i'm pretty damn sure i'm not the first person to compare the 2 players, and i wont be the last...........maybe if u followed basketball instead of following me around into threads to ride my nuts, u'd notice that.
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LOL thier is NO Kobe vs Jordan debate except in your mind.I don't think I've seen anyone but a laker groupie even think thier is a debate
That's what I'm saying. This guy says I'm bitter...you just sat there & came up with some crazy statistic to attempt to prove a point that is just irrelevant.
My favorite part of your posts is how you demand people to agree with you or else they're "nutriding". It's simply amazing how defensive you get when people shut you up.
no...ur not a nutrider because of this, lmao, uv been a nutrider wayyyy before.... but notice, i posted up an interesting fact, and instead of refuting it by presenting facts of ur own, u come in here on some bs "kobe chucked up a bunch of shots in that season!", "you're crediting kobe for points he didn't score!!", "I love LeBron!!"....nothing u said was relevant nor did it make any sense...so next time, when i present reasonable statistics that most people dont know, try bringing up valid points instead of speakin out ur ass about how much u love lebron and how no one will ever touch jordan because u said so...son. it not only makes u look dumb, but also gay. step it up.
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LOL thier is NO Kobe vs Jordan debate except in your mind.I don't think I've seen anyone but a laker groupie even think thier is a debate
That's what I'm saying. This guy says I'm bitter...you just sat there & came up with some crazy statistic to attempt to prove a point that is just irrelevant.
My favorite part of your posts is how you demand people to agree with you or else they're "nutriding". It's simply amazing how defensive you get when people shut you up.
no...ur not a nutrider because of this, lmao, uv been a nutrider wayyyy before.... but notice, i posted up an interesting fact, and instead of refuting it by presenting facts of ur own, u come in here on some bs "kobe chucked up a bunch of shots in that season!", "you're crediting kobe for points he didn't score!!", "I love LeBron!!"....nothing u said was relevant nor did it make any sense...so next time, when i present reasonable statistics that most people dont know, try bringing up valid points instead of speakin out ur ass about how much u love lebron and how no one will ever touch jordan because u said so...son. it not only makes u look dumb, but also gay. step it up.
So your response to me saying this statistic is irrelevant is saying "you're a nutrider"? Sounds like you have quite a compelling argument there lol. Really driving home your point of "Kobe > MJ" by talking about me. ::)
I gave you facts:
1. Neither Jordan or Kobe won in the years we're talking.
2. You're talking about the regular season, the same regular season you disregard LeBron's superior stats to Kobe's because they aren't playoff stats.
3. MJ's stats you're talking about are from his third year. Kobe's are from his ninth. MJ was still coming up, Kobe was in his absolute prime.
4. You pulled a ridiculous statistic you're using for an argument which is based off of "what if's", "probably's" & "most likely's".
Bottom line, no matter whether you said it or not, I know you're dumb, Jewish as posted this stat as to say, "IF Kobe played in the league that year, he WOULD HAVE score 40 PPG". Otherwise, what's the purpose of posting it? LOL, for Christ's sake the thread title is "Interesting stat in the Kobe vs Jordan debate...". CLEARLY you're idiotic ass is trying to suggest Kobe is better because "insert ridiculous irrelevant statistic". How can you possibly deny that?
Don't take it out on me because you look like a complete moron right now lol.
C'mon, "step it up". ;)
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.539 > .469
and what percentage is that, exactly? in Jordan's highest scoring season, he shot 48% while averaging less than one 3 point attempted per game. over the course of his career, he shot 49.7%.....having an efficient long range jumpshot>not having a dependable shot from outside. percentages do not take into account how much range u have. Shaq shot 58% on his career...58%>any season Jordan ever had. thats right, son.
He led the league in scoring during the year he posted .539 what more do you want son. How about you go by win shares? Oh, you won't bring that up cause Michael shits on your boy in that as well.
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LOL thier is NO Kobe vs Jordan debate except in your mind.I don't think I've seen anyone but a laker groupie even think thier is a debate
That's what I'm saying. This guy says I'm bitter...you just sat there & came up with some crazy statistic to attempt to prove a point that is just irrelevant.
My favorite part of your posts is how you demand people to agree with you or else they're "nutriding". It's simply amazing how defensive you get when people shut you up.
no...ur not a nutrider because of this, lmao, uv been a nutrider wayyyy before.... but notice, i posted up an interesting fact, and instead of refuting it by presenting facts of ur own, u come in here on some bs "kobe chucked up a bunch of shots in that season!", "you're crediting kobe for points he didn't score!!", "I love LeBron!!"....nothing u said was relevant nor did it make any sense...so next time, when i present reasonable statistics that most people dont know, try bringing up valid points instead of speakin out ur ass about how much u love lebron and how no one will ever touch jordan because u said so...son. it not only makes u look dumb, but also gay. step it up.
So your response to me saying this statistic is irrelevant is saying "you're a nutrider"? Sounds like you have quite a compelling argument there lol. Really driving home your point of "Kobe > MJ" by talking about me. ::)
I gave you facts:
1. Neither Jordan or Kobe won in the years we're talking.
2. You're talking about the regular season, the same regular season you disregard LeBron's superior stats to Kobe's because they aren't playoff stats.
3. MJ's stats you're talking about are from his third year. Kobe's are from his ninth. MJ was still coming up, Kobe was in his absolute prime.
4. You pulled a ridiculous statistic you're using for an argument which is based off of "what if's", "probably's" & "most likely's".
Bottom line, no matter whether you said it or not, I know you're dumb, Jewish as posted this stat as to say, "IF Kobe played in the league that year, he WOULD HAVE score 40 PPG". Otherwise, what's the purpose of posting it? LOL, for Christ's sake the thread title is "Interesting stat in the Kobe vs Jordan debate...". CLEARLY you're idiotic ass is trying to suggest Kobe is better because "insert ridiculous irrelevant statistic". How can you possibly deny that?
Don't take it out on me because you look like a complete moron right now lol.
C'mon, "step it up". ;)
no...ur a nutrider because a.)u came in here to talk shit, regardless of whatever stat i woulda brought up and b.)you brought up lebron, as if he's relevant to this conversation lmao...lebron not being on kobe or jordan's level has nothing to do with him not winning rings. in fact, it's the other way around, lebron has no rings because he's not on kobe or jordan's level, plain and simple. lebron does not have the basketball mind of either. he doesn't have the fundamentals, footwork, post game, etc. of a jordan or kobe...as far as scoring goes, his arsenal isn't even close. and most of all, he doesn't have the tenacity, the heart, the pure will of either...thats why he ran to miami to play behind wade, because he is simply not on that level...so dont bring up that weakass 2nd option player when i make these topics, because it's just a flat out embarrassment to real basketball heads. as far as kobe and jordan not winning in the years posted, great, but that doesnt change the fact that people always use the argument of jordan having amazing scoring seasons in the 80s as one of the biggest reasons kobe isn't as good. so when realizing the fact that scoring was more prevalent back in those days, how does it not make sense to factor in that kobe's scoring in terms of ratio is more impressive? please make sense., dumbfuck. also, when kobe was in his physyical prime, shaq was around...kobe did not have a team to himself like jordan did, he had to share a majority of his offense with shaq, hence, his numbers not being as high as jordan's in his early years. so when kobe was in his 9th year, that was basically his first time running a team with him being the main scoring option...imagine how many more scoring records and amazing feats kobe wouldve accomplished if shaq wasnt around in his physical prime...mind-boggling....and last but not least, u dumb piece of shit, i didn't pull out a "ridiculous stat based on what ifs", i pulled out a stat based on ratio, and if u were not such a remedial retard, u would realize that ratio is part of MATH, not bogus statistics...man up and accept ur 98779387247th loss, u dumb bitch.
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.539 > .469
and what percentage is that, exactly? in Jordan's highest scoring season, he shot 48% while averaging less than one 3 point attempted per game. over the course of his career, he shot 49.7%.....having an efficient long range jumpshot>not having a dependable shot from outside. percentages do not take into account how much range u have. Shaq shot 58% on his career...58%>any season Jordan ever had. thats right, son.
He led the league in scoring during the year he posted .539 what more do you want son. How about you go by win shares? Oh, you won't bring that up cause Michael shits on your boy in that as well.
u wanna go by winning? both kobe and jordan failed in their highest scoring seasons... as of now,though, jordan has 6 titles and kobe has 5. BUT, when jordan was kobe's age, he still had 3 championships ahead of him...so if we go by wins, we have 2 wait til kobe finished his career, son.
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NIK sounds so angry when he's dead wrong it's absurd. Sadly enough, I read all of that though.
I know in your head you figured writing a lot would cover for you. But for literally the first entire half of that you did nothing but RAMBLE about nothing relevant to the actual topic, just bashing LeBron because you truly think it bothers me. Which just goes to show how ANGRY it makes you when people talk shit about Kobe. You thought talking down about LeBron would eat me inside the way it DESTROYS you to hear about Kobe in a negative light.
LeBron wasn't brought up because of anything BUT the fact to prove you're a hypocrite for trying to fight Kobe > MJ with regular season stats when I can easily show LeBron > Kobe with regular season stats, but you said that's "not allowed" because the only thing that matters is the post-season. Right there you lost that one, chief.
Next, I SAW KOBE WITHOUT SHAQ LOL. Nigga did absolutely nothing. The year you're talking about, no Shaq, no ring. Getting back to EXACTLY why you're a faggot ass hypocrite because you're talking about a "LeBron-type season" with phenomenal stats & nothing to show for it in the playoffs. Yet THAT'S your argument for Kobe. Do you listen to yourself?
Finally, I never said it was a bogus statistic, dipshit. It's just moronic to compare a Jordan season nearly 20 years before Kobe's season. You're talking about two different leagues. Nobody played then that played in Kobe's year (that was relevant in Kobe's year). So inevitably, you're fighting an argument for Kobe that you cannot prove. Like I said & you just keeping saying "I DIDN'T SAY THAT!", you're saying "Imagine Kobe played then, because math proves he would of scored 40 PPG". Why post the stat & say it's "interesting in this debate..." if you didn't think that? You're just denying that's what this is all about because now the more you think about it, the more you realize how fucking stupid you sound. Different teams, different players, different officiating, different era's of basketball.
& a side note, LMFAO @ saying "Kobe was the main scoring option" after Shaq, when before this thread it was "Kobe > Shaq" during those years. "Shaq rode Kobe", etc. First the current Lakers team was the greatest, then the past few years you've shitted on everyone not named Kobe, just to fight the argument that he's better. Now you're going back on saying Kobe won those three-peat years by saying Shaq played a bigger role. You're a joke. Also without Shaq winning those rings for Kobe, he would have two rings & even you couldn't defend Kobe over Jordan then.
http://www.youtube.com/v/0ePQKD9iBfU
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NIK sounds so angry when he's dead wrong it's absurd. Sadly enough, I read all of that though.
I know in your head you figured writing a lot would cover for you. But for literally the first entire half of that you did nothing but RAMBLE about nothing relevant to the actual topic, just bashing LeBron because you truly think it bothers me. Which just goes to show how ANGRY it makes you when people talk shit about Kobe. You thought talking down about LeBron would eat me inside the way it DESTROYS you to hear about Kobe in a negative light.
LeBron wasn't brought up because of anything BUT the fact to prove you're a hypocrite for trying to fight Kobe > MJ with regular season stats when I can easily show LeBron > Kobe with regular season stats, but you said that's "not allowed" because the only thing that matters is the post-season. Right there you lost that one, chief.
Next, I SAW KOBE WITHOUT SHAQ LOL. Nigga did absolutely nothing. The year you're talking about, no Shaq, no ring. Getting back to EXACTLY why you're a faggot ass hypocrite because you're talking about a "LeBron-type season" with phenomenal stats & nothing to show for it in the playoffs. Yet THAT'S your argument for Kobe. Do you listen to yourself?
Finally, I never said it was a bogus statistic, dipshit. It's just moronic to compare a Jordan season nearly 20 years before Kobe's season. You're talking about two different leagues. Nobody played then that played in Kobe's year (that was relevant in Kobe's year). So inevitably, you're fighting an argument for Kobe that you cannot prove. Like I said & you just keeping saying "I DIDN'T SAY THAT!", you're saying "Imagine Kobe played then, because math proves he would of scored 40 PPG". Why post the stat & say it's "interesting in this debate..." if you didn't think that? You're just denying that's what this is all about because now the more you think about it, the more you realize how fucking stupid you sound. Different teams, different players, different officiating, different era's of basketball.
& a side note, LMFAO @ saying "Kobe was the main scoring option" after Shaq, when before this thread it was "Kobe > Shaq" during those years. "Shaq rode Kobe", etc. First the current Lakers team was the greatest, then the past few years you've shitted on everyone not named Kobe, just to fight the argument that he's better. Now you're going back on saying Kobe won those three-peat years by saying Shaq played a bigger role. You're a joke. Also without Shaq winning those rings for Kobe, he would have two rings & even you couldn't defend Kobe over Jordan then.
http://www.youtube.com/v/0ePQKD9iBfU
what am i wrong about, dumbfuck? the stats i posted are FACTS, there is absolutely nothin 2 be wrong about...ur so damn retarded that even in a topic that isn't about "right" or "wrong", u try to argue that i'm wrong...u are the definition of a fucking moron. as for u bringing up lebron, let me make it easy for ur retarded ass.. to be amongst the all-time greats, u must have 2 things; championship rings and stats to back up ur accomplishments...if u have one or the other, it's not gunna work. kobe and mj have both, lebron doesn't...thats exactly why ur groupie ass is a fucking moron for bringin him into this topic....now, kobe didn't win shit in his best scoring season, but neither did jordan. how does that even factor into what i'm posting, u gutless bitch? obviously, both jordan and kobe won rings, but according to u, we cant compare their best scoring seasons because of that? my god, u are one dumb mutherfucker, why do u even say such dumbass shit that has no barring on what i'm getting at? are u really that fucking butthurt that ur coward of an idol has nothing to show for when topics regarding the greatest players of all time are brought up? cuz thats really what it looks like, fagboy...u better check urself, cuz while ur typin longass posts tryna "ether" me, ur making urself look like a complete fucking idiot in the process, son. u say shit about different eras and what not, yet all i did was post a stat to point out how scoring has changed in the nba. never said kobe would for sure average 40, but common sense tells u that scoring 35.4 out of 97 points is more impressive than scoring 37.1 out of 110 points, u dumb sonofabitch. also, i never said "kobe > shaq" in the threepeat era...i said kobe was just as big to those championship teams, and that they are the greatest duo of all time. neither was better, they were on a 50-50 scale, hence greatest DUO. shaq in his prime was unstoppable, and nobody can deny that he was one of the most dominant players ever. the offense ran through him, and that's common sense, dumbfuck. that doesn't mean kobe wasn't the co-captain of those teams along with him and has nothing to do with my main point of kobe only having an offense run through him post-shaq...ur brain only thinks on 1 level, dumbfuck, u actually think that that if an offense runs through player a. that player b. cant contribute just as much lmao retard....ur dumber than fucking 16 year olds who argue basketball at the local park, u remedial fuckin cocksucker. and u look like aaron carter. kill urself.
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LOL, more & more personal shots with nothing to actually defend your point here.
1. You don't need to talk about LeBron anymore, he's irrelevant to this conversation the way you're talking about him. His entire existence in this thread is to prove you're a hypocritical herb who said regular season stats don't mean shit & now you're posting them. End of story there.
2. LOL, you serious? Why compare to two when they lost & had no one? Why not compare the two when they won (what you said was more important) & had to be apart of a team instead of just pointless scoring & losing? Compare them at their CHAMPIONSHIP level & MJ doesn't compare.
3. In 08-09 the Lakers averaged 107 PPG, in 90-91, the Bulls averaged 110 PPG. That's not even a difference worth mentioning. It doesn't matter what the league is scoring per game, both teams have 48 minutes to score as many points as they can & as far as those numbers go, it's not even a dramatic difference, just more proof this stat means absolutely nothing. 26.8 PPG for Kobe that 08-09 with a ring. MJ in 90-91? 31.5, with a ring. Scoring roughly the same amount of PPG, MJ just scored more because he's better.
4. As for Shaq & Kobe, it was more or less just to continue your proof of being a hypocrite. Because you've changed your story on here so many times to fit the fight you're arguing. You literally throw everything you've ever said out & state new things everytime for a new argument.
You can follow up with personal shots because you're insecure about how wrong you are, but you're DEAD wrong.
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LOL, more & more personal shots with nothing to actually defend your point here.
1. You don't need to talk about LeBron anymore, he's irrelevant to this conversation the way you're talking about him. His entire existence in this thread is to prove you're a hypocritical herb who said regular season stats don't mean shit & now you're posting them. End of story there.
2. LOL, you serious? Why compare to two when they lost & had no one? Why not compare the two when they won (what you said was more important) & had to be apart of a team instead of just pointless scoring & losing? Compare them at their CHAMPIONSHIP level & MJ doesn't compare.
3. In 08-09 the Lakers averaged 107 PPG, in 90-91, the Bulls averaged 110 PPG. That's not even a difference worth mentioning. It doesn't matter what the league is scoring per game, both teams have 48 minutes to score as many points as they can & as far as those numbers go, it's not even a dramatic difference, just more proof this stat means absolutely nothing. 26.8 PPG for Kobe that 08-09 with a ring. MJ in 90-91? 31.5, with a ring. Scoring roughly the same amount of PPG, MJ just scored more because he's better.
4. As for Shaq & Kobe, it was more or less just to continue your proof of being a hypocrite. Because you've changed your story on here so many times to fit the fight you're arguing. You literally throw everything you've ever said out & state new things everytime for a new argument.
You can follow up with personal shots because you're insecure about how wrong you are, but you're DEAD wrong.
1.again, ur too dumb to get the point i'm making. regular season stats are irrelevant when u haven't won shit and have yet to prove that you can lead a team to the ultimate goal, dumbillitary. try to actually understand what i'm sayin here, instead of just bein a brainless dumbshit who just argues to come out on top instead of to make sense of shit.
2.why limit ourselves, dumbfuck? why can we only compare Jordan and Kobe when they won?? are u really that close-minded that it offends u when people compare the seasons where they had to carry most the load for their team? i do compare their winning seasons, but along with that, i also compare their younger years and their years where they had 2 overcompensate. I COMPARE THEIR WHOLE CAREER, ITS NOT 1 OR THE OTHER, ur such a fucking retard, and if u dont get why, i feel sorry for ya mama.
3.what does this even have 2 do with anything? regardless of what ur sayin, players scored more in the 80's, dumb shit...a lot more. my original point still stands, and nothing u just said has changed that. ur just arguing math and proven statistics for the sake of winning the argument, cuz ur as dumb as a piece of shit that missed the toilet bowl.
4.i never changed anything, dumbfuck...my stance on kobe and shaq has been the same from day 1. both were superstars and amongst the greatest players ever. together, they formed the greatest duo ever. without the other, neither player woulda threepeated. never once did i claim otherwise, u dumb fuck dipshit...
now, spew some more retarded ass nonsense, i love hearin what dumbass shit ur moronic ass always comes up with to feel like ur winnin a debate..."you're insecure about being wrong"...about what, idiot? stats cant be wrong, dumbfaggotfuck. i would slap the shit out of u if u for bein so dumb if u ever argued this dumbass shit to my face. on everything, aaron.
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Some of you may already know this, but i never gave much thought to this before today...when comparing Kobe's and Jordan's scoring accomplishments, i noticed how much higher the amount of scoring was in the league back when Jordan played.
Just to take the two players highest scoring years as an example, MJ scored 37.1 ppg in 1986-1987, when teams were averaging 109.9 ppg. In contrast, Kobe scored 35.4 ppg in 2005-2006, when teams were averaging 97.1 ppg.
Or, to put it another way:
MJ: 37.1/109.9 = 0.337579618
Kobe: 35.4/97.1 = 0.364572606
Kobe's "ratio," based on 109.9 points per game, would have equaled 40.1 ppg.
When seen in the context of his era, Kobe's peak scoring is even more impressive.
Imagine what Kobe could average if he was as efficient offensively as MJ
what do u mean by efficient, i hope ur not talking about FG percentage. kobe is more of a shooter thus having a lower fg %
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Some of you may already know this, but i never gave much thought to this before today...when comparing Kobe's and Jordan's scoring accomplishments, i noticed how much higher the amount of scoring was in the league back when Jordan played.
Just to take the two players highest scoring years as an example, MJ scored 37.1 ppg in 1986-1987, when teams were averaging 109.9 ppg. In contrast, Kobe scored 35.4 ppg in 2005-2006, when teams were averaging 97.1 ppg.
Or, to put it another way:
MJ: 37.1/109.9 = 0.337579618
Kobe: 35.4/97.1 = 0.364572606
Kobe's "ratio," based on 109.9 points per game, would have equaled 40.1 ppg.
When seen in the context of his era, Kobe's peak scoring is even more impressive.
Imagine what Kobe could average if he was as efficient offensively as MJ
what do u mean by efficient, i hope ur not talking about FG percentage. kobe is more of a shooter thus having a lower fg %
yup...jordan couldn't beat u in as many ways as kobe could, no one will argue this......
shaq shits on jordan in terms of "efficiency"..shaq=GOAT, according to the theory jordan lovers use to discredit kobe in the kobe-jordan debate. smh.
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Some of you may already know this, but i never gave much thought to this before today...when comparing Kobe's and Jordan's scoring accomplishments, i noticed how much higher the amount of scoring was in the league back when Jordan played.
Just to take the two players highest scoring years as an example, MJ scored 37.1 ppg in 1986-1987, when teams were averaging 109.9 ppg. In contrast, Kobe scored 35.4 ppg in 2005-2006, when teams were averaging 97.1 ppg.
Or, to put it another way:
MJ: 37.1/109.9 = 0.337579618
Kobe: 35.4/97.1 = 0.364572606
Kobe's "ratio," based on 109.9 points per game, would have equaled 40.1 ppg.
When seen in the context of his era, Kobe's peak scoring is even more impressive.
Imagine what Kobe could average if he was as efficient offensively as MJ
what do u mean by efficient, i hope ur not talking about FG percentage. kobe is more of a shooter thus having a lower fg %
If Kobe is suchb a great outside shooter, why are his percentages nowhere near guys like Nash or Allen? Even Lebron shoots roughly the same on three's.
And NIK, why bring Shaq into this? Kobe and MJ are same size, similar athletically, so thats a legit comparison. MJ got to the rim, and had the best post up game of an outside player ever.
Either way, Kobe put up a SHITLOAD of points that one year, props to him. But the Kobe and Jordan debate only exists to Kobe's fanclub; Kobe has done so many things, has so many accomplishments, but you guys know his career isn't, and won't touch Jordan, save for if Kobe stays healthy and beats him strictly on longevity like a Kareem
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Some of you may already know this, but i never gave much thought to this before today...when comparing Kobe's and Jordan's scoring accomplishments, i noticed how much higher the amount of scoring was in the league back when Jordan played.
Just to take the two players highest scoring years as an example, MJ scored 37.1 ppg in 1986-1987, when teams were averaging 109.9 ppg. In contrast, Kobe scored 35.4 ppg in 2005-2006, when teams were averaging 97.1 ppg.
Or, to put it another way:
MJ: 37.1/109.9 = 0.337579618
Kobe: 35.4/97.1 = 0.364572606
Kobe's "ratio," based on 109.9 points per game, would have equaled 40.1 ppg.
When seen in the context of his era, Kobe's peak scoring is even more impressive.
Imagine what Kobe could average if he was as efficient offensively as MJ
what do u mean by efficient, i hope ur not talking about FG percentage. kobe is more of a shooter thus having a lower fg %
If Kobe is suchb a great outside shooter, why are his percentages nowhere near guys like Nash or Allen? Even Lebron shoots roughly the same on three's.
And NIK, why bring Shaq into this? Kobe and MJ are same size, similar athletically, so thats a legit comparison. MJ got to the rim, and had the best post up game of an outside player ever.
Either way, Kobe put up a SHITLOAD of points that one year, props to him. But the Kobe and Jordan debate only exists to Kobe's fanclub; Kobe has done so many things, has so many accomplishments, but you guys know his career isn't, and won't touch Jordan, save for if Kobe stays healthy and beats him strictly on longevity like a Kareem
do nash and allen sink fadeaway threes over 2 defenders? kobe is known for makin miracle shots. call me the day ray allen and steve nash go up against defenses like kobe has faced...everyone knows kobe has a great stroke, so to question that is beyond me. i dont think ive ever seen some1 question kobe's shot before, and to compare it to lebrons? this is new. bottom line, jordan's range was not like kobe's, and the more range u have as a player, the lower ur percentages will naturally be. look at jordan and kobe's true shooting percentage on their career, and it is extremely close, not like the regular fg%, which fools the casual basketball fans eye.. kobe's career may never be as glamorous as jordan's...but as far as pure ability, i stand by the fact that there is nothing jordan could do on the court that kobe couldn't. like i said, jordan at kobe's age had 3 championsips ahead of him...we'll resume this convo after kobe's career is over.
ps...great point on that longevity tip...if kobe lasts anywhere near kareem and wins at least 1-2 more titles, there is no way anyone will be able to claim he aint in GOAT discussion.
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I can't even argue with you anymore. You don't even respond, you just stick to your personal shit. I.E. point 3 of my last post. You just said, "doesn't matter the league scored low". It does matter moron. You're trying to talk math & don't understand regardless of what everyone else is scoring the Bulls put up 110 PPG & the Lakers 107 PPG in the same 48 minute span to do so. That's not NEARLY as exaggerated as you made it seem by like 20 PPG. & looking at it logically like that, Jordan shits on Kobe. You just like to twist things.
But I'll take those desperate attempts at me as a sign that you're clearly reaching.
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I can't even argue with you anymore. You don't even respond, you just stick to your personal shit. I.E. point 3 of my last post. You just said, "doesn't matter the league scored low". It does matter moron. You're trying to talk math & don't understand regardless of what everyone else is scoring the Bulls put up 110 PPG & the Lakers 107 PPG in the same 48 minute span to do so. That's not NEARLY as exaggerated as you made it seem by like 20 PPG. & looking at it logically like that, Jordan shits on Kobe. You just like to twist things.
But I'll take those desperate attempts at me as a sign that you're clearly reaching.
wtf are u talkin about, retard? lakers averaged 99.4 ppg in Kobe's 35.4 ppg season, not 107. do u even try makin sense anymore? and regardless, my main point still stands, fuckindumbshit...the league scoring was much higher in jordan's era. out of all my groupies ive ever had on this site, swear 2 god u are the dumbest one who makes the least sense when riding dick. and u feel so comfortable doing so, just because so many other people ride my dick.. u feel validated because u think ur part of something bigger than urself, what a faggot....ali was right, u are plastic as fuck, u retard.
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...wasn't talking about that year...
I was bringing up another "interesting stat in the Kobe vs Jordan debate" LOL.
I love how you have to fall back on this conspiracy over you to defend what you say. You're lost, son lol.
& like I said, it doesn't matter what the league scoring was...just the Bulls & the Lakers scoring. & you took two random years...as did I. You just look silly now.
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...wasn't talking about that year...
I was bringing up another "interesting stat in the Kobe vs Jordan debate" LOL.
I love how you have to fall back on this conspiracy over you to defend what you say. You're lost, son lol.
& like I said, it doesn't matter what the league scoring was...just the Bulls & the Lakers scoring. & you took two random years...as did I. You just look silly now.
i t i s n o t a c o n s p i r a c y, i d i o t........i t s a s t a t i s t i c. k i l l u r s e l f.
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Pau is a more efficient scorer than Kobe, he doesn't take as many stupid shots.
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Pau is a more efficient scorer than Kobe, he doesn't take as many stupid shots.
also more efficient than hakeem :o :o :o
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Pau is a more efficient scorer than Kobe, he doesn't take as many stupid shots.
also more efficient than hakeem :o :o :o
And still better than Kobe :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
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...wasn't talking about that year...
I was bringing up another "interesting stat in the Kobe vs Jordan debate" LOL.
I love how you have to fall back on this conspiracy over you to defend what you say. You're lost, son lol.
& like I said, it doesn't matter what the league scoring was...just the Bulls & the Lakers scoring. & you took two random years...as did I. You just look silly now.
i t i s n o t a c o n s p i r a c y, i d i o t........i t s a s t a t i s t i c. k i l l u r s e l f.
...I was referring to you saying "so many people ride my dick & you do too". Just your generic comeback when you've clearly lost. Embarrassing.
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Pau is a more efficient scorer than Kobe, he doesn't take as many stupid shots.
also more efficient than hakeem :o :o :o
And still better than Kobe :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
Pau is better than Kobe? and u expect peeps to take u serious here? lmao
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...wasn't talking about that year...
I was bringing up another "interesting stat in the Kobe vs Jordan debate" LOL.
I love how you have to fall back on this conspiracy over you to defend what you say. You're lost, son lol.
& like I said, it doesn't matter what the league scoring was...just the Bulls & the Lakers scoring. & you took two random years...as did I. You just look silly now.
i t i s n o t a c o n s p i r a c y, i d i o t........i t s a s t a t i s t i c. k i l l u r s e l f.
...I was referring to you saying "so many people ride my dick & you do too". Just your generic comeback when you've clearly lost. Embarrassing.
again...what did i lose? i pointed out a proven stat, not an opinion. u came in here to talk about lebron and to cry over me posting the stat. embarrassing, yes.
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LOL, alright NIK, what does the stat prove then? "that IF Kobe played back then, he WOULD have score 40 PPG". If that's not your point, the stat is irrelevant, otherwise tell me what it proves....
& if what I quoted is your point, then you're an idiot for assuming Kobe would have done something & that "proves" anything Kobe has over Jordan.
Finally, like I said, your stat is flawed because taking the league average doesn't do anything, you have to take the average that the Lakers & Bulls scored per game because they both had 48 minutes to score as many points as they can. You're an idiot.
So yeah...embarrassing. You're entire thread is beyond pointless lol.
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LOL, alright NIK, what does the stat prove then? "that IF Kobe played back then, he WOULD have score 40 PPG". If that's not your point, the stat is irrelevant, otherwise tell me what it proves....
& if what I quoted is your point, then you're an idiot for assuming Kobe would have done something & that "proves" anything Kobe has over Jordan.
Finally, like I said, your stat is flawed because taking the league average doesn't do anything, you have to take the average that the Lakers & Bulls scored per game because they both had 48 minutes to score as many points as they can. You're an idiot.
So yeah...embarrassing. You're entire thread is beyond pointless lol.
this thread doesnt have to prove anything, u dumbfuck...it is what it is, i posted it to be taken for what it is, and ur gay ass got all bent out of shape, like the overexaggerating gayass feminine bitch that u are. stats are not irrelevant, dumbfuck...to say stats are irrelevant is like to say that how much a person weighs is irrelevant. irrelevant to what? i posted it to show the differences in eras and scoring in different generations. i posted it as a fact, and the fact that ur still draggin this out for the sake of havin the last word makes u the gayest poster in wcc history, real spit. u, straight up, are the gayest piece of shit to ever post here...that list includes posters such as tanner, and a guy who once posted here that said he wasn't gay, but that ginuine could make him reconsider. yup...u top those faggots. and even taking the lakers and bulls without considering league average, bulls still obviously scored more than the lakers did in both of kobe and jordan's top scoring years...dont u get it? tryna prove a stat pointless is like tryna prove that the mileage u is pointless. it makes no sense. kill urself.
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You sound upset that I proved this to be pointless.
You just said, "this thread doesn't have to prove anything". Don't act like you just wanted to "educate" us all like, "Crazy...the scoring difference between this year & this year is a wide margin...Outrageous...". No, you made this thread to act like it meant something for Kobe in the "Kobe vs Jordan debate", hence the title.
Now I got you scrambling saying you posted it "just because". I win. You lose. Get used to it.
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a SPECULATION is NOT A STAT therefor your "Kobe vs. Jordan" debate in no longer relevant - face it and move forward dude.
Kobe is a great player, def still the best in this era but he will always be "The SECOND greatest shooting guard in NBA history" next to Michael Air Jeffrey Jordan. He is NOT Michael. He's got many similar things in his character but that's it. Both are/were great players but MJ will forever remain "THE BEST THIS GAME EVER HAD".
As good as Kobe is, he will always be SECOND BEST, next to His Airness.
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a SPECULATION is NOT A STAT therefor your "Kobe vs. Jordan" debate in no longer relevant - face it and move forward dude.
Kobe is a great player, def still the best in this era but he will always be "The SECOND greatest shooting guard in NBA history" next to Michael Air Jeffrey Jordan. He is NOT Michael. He's got many similar things in his character but that's it. Both are/were great players but MJ will forever remain "THE BEST THIS GAME EVER HAD".
As good as Kobe is, he will always be SECOND BEST, next to His Airness.
thats ur opinion...as far as speculation, nothing was speculated in here. i brought up a stat in terms of ratio. in terms of ration, 35.4/97=40.1/110. only an idiot like cham could argue that lol.
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You sound upset that I proved this to be pointless.
You just said, "this thread doesn't have to prove anything". Don't act like you just wanted to "educate" us all like, "Crazy...the scoring difference between this year & this year is a wide margin...Outrageous...". No, you made this thread to act like it meant something for Kobe in the "Kobe vs Jordan debate", hence the title.
Now I got you scrambling saying you posted it "just because". I win. You lose. Get used to it.
it does mean something in the kobe jordan debate...it means kobe played in an era where there wasnt nearly as much scoring allowed. i know it's too complex for ur dumbass mind, but it's actually quite simple, retard.
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LOL, moron! It's fucking simple. "Interesting stat in the Kobe vs Jordan debate........", how is it interesting? What purpose does it serve? Are you really saying you didn't post it for Kobe?
God, you're retarded.
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LOL, moron! It's fucking simple. "Interesting stat in the Kobe vs Jordan debate........", how is it interesting? What purpose does it serve? Are you really saying you didn't post it for Kobe?
God, you're retarded.
dumb piece of shit, whether something is interesting is a matter of someones opinion, it's not a fact...so for u to try to prove that wrong, as if there's something to prove wrong, makes u fucking retarded. notice how ur the only 1 in here arguing, even though there are a whole lot of mj ballwashers on this board. thats because only YOU, dumbillitary, are retarded enough to argue statistics. it's a FACT that some peeps might find it interesting to know that kobe played in an era where players scored less. for u to argue that fact makes u not only a retard, but a piece of scum not even worthy of bein stepped on, u faggot.
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Quote me where I dispute the math involved...lmao.
All I'm saying is that the fact doesn't mean ANYTHING towards the argument.
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Quote me where I dispute the math involved...lmao.
All I'm saying is that the fact doesn't mean ANYTHING towards the argument.
it means this...kobe played in a generation where defenses allowed less points. take that how ever u want, nancy boy, just try not gettin as emotional next time around.
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Quote me where I dispute the math involved...lmao.
All I'm saying is that the fact doesn't mean ANYTHING towards the argument.
it means this...kobe played in a generation where defenses allowed less points. take that how ever u want, nancy boy, just try not gettin as emotional next time around.
LOL, alright. So how is it interesting? How does it factor into the Kobe/MJ debate at all if now you're saying, "it doesn't mean anything for either side, it's just a stat I wanted to share"? C'mon, kid.
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Quote me where I dispute the math involved...lmao.
All I'm saying is that the fact doesn't mean ANYTHING towards the argument.
it means this...kobe played in a generation where defenses allowed less points. take that how ever u want, nancy boy, just try not gettin as emotional next time around.
LOL, alright. So how is it interesting? How does it factor into the Kobe/MJ debate at all if now you're saying, "it doesn't mean anything for either side, it's just a stat I wanted to share"? C'mon, kid.
no way u can be this retarded.
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a SPECULATION is NOT A STAT therefor your "Kobe vs. Jordan" debate in no longer relevant - face it and move forward dude.
Kobe is a great player, def still the best in this era but he will always be "The SECOND greatest shooting guard in NBA history" next to Michael Air Jeffrey Jordan. He is NOT Michael. He's got many similar things in his character but that's it. Both are/were great players but MJ will forever remain "THE BEST THIS GAME EVER HAD".
As good as Kobe is, he will always be SECOND BEST, next to His Airness.
thats ur opinion...as far as speculation, nothing was speculated in here. i brought up a stat in terms of ratio. in terms of ration, 35.4/97=40.1/110. only an idiot like cham could argue that lol.
It is the same speculation like the one Phil said that if Michael had played in this era with NO DEFENSE and plenty of PUSSY CALLS, he would average 45 points per game. It's the same speculation that Michael could score 100 points in today's NBA game - maybe he could or maybe he couldn't.
The fact is - we will never know.
Same goes for your so called "stat" - we will never know if Kobe could score 40 points durning the 80's. It was a different ball game under a different rules so we can only speculate..
So please, move forward and stop this so-called "MJ-KB debate" cause it's really pointless at this period of time.
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a SPECULATION is NOT A STAT therefor your "Kobe vs. Jordan" debate in no longer relevant - face it and move forward dude.
Kobe is a great player, def still the best in this era but he will always be "The SECOND greatest shooting guard in NBA history" next to Michael Air Jeffrey Jordan. He is NOT Michael. He's got many similar things in his character but that's it. Both are/were great players but MJ will forever remain "THE BEST THIS GAME EVER HAD".
As good as Kobe is, he will always be SECOND BEST, next to His Airness.
thats ur opinion...as far as speculation, nothing was speculated in here. i brought up a stat in terms of ratio. in terms of ration, 35.4/97=40.1/110. only an idiot like cham could argue that lol.
It is the same speculation like the one Phil said that if Michael had played in this era with NO DEFENSE and plenty of PUSSY CALLS, he would average 45 points per game. It's the same speculation that Michael could score 100 points in today's NBA game - maybe he could or maybe he couldn't.
The fact is - we will never know.
Same goes for your so called "stat" - we will never know if Kobe could score 40 points durning the 80's. It was a different ball game under a different rules so we can only speculate..
So please, move forward and stop this so-called "MJ-KB debate" cause it's really pointless at this period of time.
good points...but with the players playing in 2 different generations, all we can do is speculate. i'd also be bothered by it if i were a jordan fan.
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lol @ that guy saying the exact same shit I said & it's a "good point".
This kid is the definition of a nutrider.
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lol @ that guy saying the exact same shit I said & it's a "good point".
This kid is the definition of a nutrider.
the guy is clearly not nearly as retarded as u...he didn't come in here and say "ur wrong, i proved u wrong lmfao!"...if he did, he would be a faggot, such as urself. he's just a big MJ fan making his own points to dispute mine. there's ur difference..try to comprehend, retard.
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Actually, no. Not at all. You're just a nutrider.
He clearly said you're speculating, as did I. He clearly said MJ > Kobe, no questions asked, as did I. Yet he's making "valid points". ::)
For a kid whose made a career out of saying, "you all have something against me. :'(", you sure are a fucking hypocrite lol.
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Actually, no. Not at all. You're just a nutrider.
He clearly said you're speculating, as did I. He clearly said MJ > Kobe, no questions asked, as did I. Yet he's making "valid points". ::)
For a kid whose made a career out of saying, "you all have something against me. :'(", you sure are a fucking hypocrite lol.
read ur posts then read his...if u dont see why ur posts contain a lot more retardation, read em again until u do.
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Actually, no. Not at all. You're just a nutrider.
He clearly said you're speculating, as did I. He clearly said MJ > Kobe, no questions asked, as did I. Yet he's making "valid points". ::)
For a kid whose made a career out of saying, "you all have something against me. :'(", you sure are a fucking hypocrite lol.
read ur posts then read his...if u dont see why ur posts contain a lot more retardation, read em again until u do.
LOL, noooo buddddy. My posts just rub it in that you look like a complete moron & your insecurities wouldn't allow you to let me make you look like a dumbass. So saying the exact same thing I did in "nicer words" for your lack of self-esteem, was a "valid point".
Why haven't you committed suicide yet? You're a complete joooooooooke.
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LOL...see what i'm sayin, retard?
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LOL...see what i'm sayin, retard?
lmao, son is in straight denial. Embarrassing.
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damn, u won....u place 1st on the official nikcc retard scale. good job, dumbshit.
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lol, like you have an credibility left outside of Brian, the kid you bitch around.
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lol, like you have an credibility left outside of Brian, the kid you bitch around.
i dunno, ur the type of fag who lives for internet cred, so u tell me, retard.
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lol, like you have an credibility left outside of Brian, the kid you bitch around.
i dunno, ur the type of fag who lives for internet cred, so u tell me, retard.
lol, same nigga who told me, "you're making assumptions that aren't truth". ::)
Hypocrite.
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Jordan scored more 2 more points than Kobe, while playing one less minute. He did that without chucking 518 threes, which is nearly 6.5 attempts per game. Jordan got to the line more than Kobe in a time where touch fouls were not called every other possession. That's efficient. That's playing smart and not using an unreliable game to get your points up.
As for shooting, Jordan didn't chuck threes on a regular. Never averaged more than 3.6 per game in a season (Kobe has 8 seasons averaging more than that). But, in Jordan's best seasons he averaged 37% twice and over 40% once. Kobe has never averaged more than 38% in his best season. And has only 1 other season above 36%. To say "Kobe is more of a shooter" to justify his poor shooting percentage makes me laugh. Reggie Miller had put up 2000 more three's than Kobe and has a better career average from the Field and the three.
If that player is in love with the three and is not efficient when putting those shots up, then he must live with and own up to his shooting percentages. Excuses cannot be made by either the player nor the fan. Said player should stick to what makes him better. Just like Jordan stuck to what made his game great. Kobe should follow that idea. Because he's a terrible three point shooter, just like Jordan (Kobe only shoots a percent or so better on career averages from three than MJ).
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Jordan scored more 2 more points than Kobe, while playing one less minute. He did that without chucking 518 threes, which is nearly 6.5 attempts per game. Jordan got to the line more than Kobe in a time where touch fouls were not called every other possession. That's efficient. That's playing smart and not using an unreliable game to get your points up.
As for shooting, Jordan didn't chuck threes on a regular. Never averaged more than 3.6 per game in a season (Kobe has 8 seasons averaging more than that). But, in Jordan's best seasons he averaged 37% twice and over 40% once. Kobe has never averaged more than 38% in his best season. And has only 1 other season above 36%. To say "Kobe is more of a shooter" to justify his poor shooting percentage makes me laugh. Reggie Miller had put up 2000 more three's than Kobe and has a better career average from the Field and the three.
If that player is in love with the three and is not efficient when putting those shots up, then he must live with and own up to his shooting percentages. Excuses cannot be made by either the player nor the fan. Said player should stick to what makes him better. Just like Jordan stuck to what made his game great. Kobe should follow that idea. Because he's a terrible three point shooter, just like Jordan (Kobe only shoots a percent or so better on career averages from three than MJ).
lmao....kobe is a terrible three point shooter? the guy holds the record for most threes in an nba game. u are on some other shit, really. i have NEVER heard any1 call kobe a terrible shooter before. and btw, u failed to mention that kobe plays in an era of zone defense, where teams send a double and triple team to u every time u get hot...jordan never faced these type of smothering defenses that kobe has faced in this modern era. lmao, craig ehlo? hersey hawkins? single-coverage? come on, man, some of the defenses against jordan were pathetic...in that sense, kobe coulda scored 100.
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Kobe is streaky. Funny you mention his record. But didn't mention that in the 3 games leading up to that game he was a combined 1-14 from 3? And the 2 games after that he was 0-5. So take those 6 games and he was a combined 13-39. Not great.
That season he did end up with his best 3 point fg % ever and 12 3's in a game is a great feat, but look at the rest of his body of work... it's terrible.
He has his moments where he CAN be a great 3 point shooter, but because he chooses to chuck from way beyond the arc, because he chooses to chuck with "double and triple teams" in his face, because HE makes those decisions... he's a terrible 3 point shooter.
Guys like Ehlo and Hawkins were better shooters. They may have never been defended the way Kobe was, but that doesn't mean they're not better shooters.
Anyone can speculate about defenses and tempos and if so and so played here they would've scored this much.... If you're so curious about that join one of those fantasy sites that allows you to match up players from other years. But let the stats speak for themselves. Kobe is a chucker and a bad 3 point shooter (look at how low he ranks in career percentages). 33.9%
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lol @ NIK speculating twice.
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Kobe is streaky. Funny you mention his record. But didn't mention that in the 3 games leading up to that game he was a combined 1-14 from 3? And the 2 games after that he was 0-5. So take those 6 games and he was a combined 13-39. Not great.
That season he did end up with his best 3 point fg % ever and 12 3's in a game is a great feat, but look at the rest of his body of work... it's terrible.
He has his moments where he CAN be a great 3 point shooter, but because he chooses to chuck from way beyond the arc, because he chooses to chuck with "double and triple teams" in his face, because HE makes those decisions... he's a terrible 3 point shooter.
Guys like Ehlo and Hawkins were better shooters. They may have never been defended the way Kobe was, but that doesn't mean they're not better shooters.
Anyone can speculate about defenses and tempos and if so and so played here they would've scored this much.... If you're so curious about that join one of those fantasy sites that allows you to match up players from other years. But let the stats speak for themselves. Kobe is a chucker and a bad 3 point shooter (look at how low he ranks in career percentages). 33.9%
lol ur comparing open 3's and contested double-triple teamed fade away 3's?
lawlz.
there is no comparison, lol if kobe wasnt always doubled or tripled he wouldnt have to "chuck" from way behind the arc, lol basically the opposing teams defense is based AROUND KOBE.
and your talking about dudes at juz shoot good fg %, gtfo out of here. stats isnt everything it does mean something but in this case it doesnt define it.
these guys u named ARE NO NAMES, they shoot a better fg percentage prob cuz they were smothered with double teams all the time.
lol u cant take stats in a literal sense, thats fucking retarded, so if a scrub had a 10/10 fg percentage in a game and played only one game all year , is he considered a better scorer? id bet nobody would expect thatm from a scrub and play laxed D.
i cant believe we're talking about this, this isnt juz a kobe thing either, this dude is a moron.
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Kobe is streaky. Funny you mention his record. But didn't mention that in the 3 games leading up to that game he was a combined 1-14 from 3? And the 2 games after that he was 0-5. So take those 6 games and he was a combined 13-39. Not great.
That season he did end up with his best 3 point fg % ever and 12 3's in a game is a great feat, but look at the rest of his body of work... it's terrible.
He has his moments where he CAN be a great 3 point shooter, but because he chooses to chuck from way beyond the arc, because he chooses to chuck with "double and triple teams" in his face, because HE makes those decisions... he's a terrible 3 point shooter.
Guys like Ehlo and Hawkins were better shooters. They may have never been defended the way Kobe was, but that doesn't mean they're not better shooters.
Anyone can speculate about defenses and tempos and if so and so played here they would've scored this much.... If you're so curious about that join one of those fantasy sites that allows you to match up players from other years. But let the stats speak for themselves. Kobe is a chucker and a bad 3 point shooter (look at how low he ranks in career percentages). 33.9%
lmao@kobe being a chucker...to shoot 34% on threes on your career is FAR from a chucker, homie...my point, though, was that jordan played in a day in age where teams rarely double teamed and triple teams were unheard of. the new zone defense rules completely changed the way players are guarded nowadays. u call kobe a bad shooter, but in 14 seasons, he's only had 2 sub-par seasons from beyond the arc. jordan has had 10, and that includes seasons where the three point line was a few feet closer....face it, kobe may not be reggie miller from behind the arc, but that doesnt mean he doesnt have a great stroke, along with a wide offensive arsenal to go along with it. and well never know how many points kobe woulda scored with a closer three point line, but all we can do is speculate.
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^How does that Kobe nutsack taste?
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^How does that Kobe nutsack taste?
ur 1 to speak, bieber
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^How does that Kobe nutsack taste?
ur 1 to speak, bieber
http://www.youtube.com/v/MD9pcGonqeI
Yeah, what a diss lol. Funny though, the only other time I can think of girls screaming like that is when there is a possum in sight. So I guess we'd get the same reception.
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lol@being happy when some1 calls u bieber...u are even gayer than imaginable. smh
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lol@being happy when some1 calls u bieber...u are even gayer than imaginable. smh
Where do I show signs of happiness? REACH. All I'm saying is, if you're taking personal shots, tryna diss looks, don't call me somebody who girls are literally crying over just to be in his presence.
Not much of an insult...lol.
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lol@being happy when some1 calls u bieber...u are even gayer than imaginable. smh
Where do I show signs of happiness? REACH. All I'm saying is, if you're taking personal shots, tryna diss looks, don't call me somebody who girls are literally crying over just to be in his presence.
Not much of an insult...lol.
being compared 2 justin bieber isn't an insult? lmao point proven, lil fruit boy
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LOL, it's simple logic. You don't diss somebodies looks by saying they look like somebody that every girl loves.
"You're a herb, NIK. You look like Brad Pitt". You don't see the stupidity behind that?
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LOL, it's simple logic. You don't diss somebodies looks by saying they look like somebody that every girl loves.
"You're a herb, NIK. You look like Brad Pitt". You don't see the stupidity behind that?
lol...only justin bieber is a fruity lil kid, not brad pitt. dumb faggot.
btw, do u think real ladies like justin bieber? on a real note, how old are u, bro? only females who like justin bieber are 12-14 year old teenie boppers...u are a real faggot, man. i mean, i have dickriders on this site, a gang of people who ride my nuts, i've been through em all, but u seriously take the cake as far as biggest faggot i've ever come across.
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Justin biebers life> Everyones life on this forum
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lmao....kobe is a terrible three point shooter? the guy holds the record for most threes in an nba game. u are on some other shit, really. i have NEVER heard any1 call kobe a terrible shooter before. and btw, u failed to mention that kobe plays in an era of zone defense, where teams send a double and triple team to u every time u get hot...jordan never faced these type of smothering defenses that kobe has faced in this modern era. lmao, craig ehlo? hersey hawkins? single-coverage? come on, man, some of the defenses against jordan were pathetic...in that sense, kobe coulda scored 100.
LOL.
I know your a big Kobe fan dude and you want to prove your point that he's better than Michael but this is a str8 up LIE. Jordan never faced tough defense? ARE YOU KIDDING ME?! What about the "Bad Boys"? What about the New York Knicks? He was never guard by great players? People seems to only mention Clyde Drexler but what about guys like Mitch Richmond, whos been one of the most underrated pure shooters in NBA history? When it comes to 3's - he shits on both Kobe and Jordan!
The zone defense is a myth - just because it was forbidden in the 90's dosen't mean the teams didn't use it in games.
http://www.youtube.com/v/5K-qGWkiKvQ http://www.youtube.com/v/NLv2F33snCE http://www.youtube.com/v/A6_GgXXR4vA
To say MJ was only guarded by "short white guys" like you wanted it to be is a complete joke therefor I'm done with this conversation.
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Justin biebers life> Everyones life on this forum
Exactly.
However, Everyone's life on this forum > a possum.
NIK, your ranting of trying to tell me I'm your biggest nutrider is a moot point. You're only saying that because in the six threads going on right now, even the one you made about me (sad), I've made you look fucking stupid & you're just maaaaaaaaaad. ;D
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Justin biebers life> Everyones life on this forum
i bet u'd say the same about rupaul...really, though, speak for urself, son
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lmao....kobe is a terrible three point shooter? the guy holds the record for most threes in an nba game. u are on some other shit, really. i have NEVER heard any1 call kobe a terrible shooter before. and btw, u failed to mention that kobe plays in an era of zone defense, where teams send a double and triple team to u every time u get hot...jordan never faced these type of smothering defenses that kobe has faced in this modern era. lmao, craig ehlo? hersey hawkins? single-coverage? come on, man, some of the defenses against jordan were pathetic...in that sense, kobe coulda scored 100.
LOL.
I know your a big Kobe fan dude and you want to prove your point that he's better than Michael but this is a str8 up LIE. Jordan never faced tough defense? ARE YOU KIDDING ME?! What about the "Bad Boys"? What about the New York Knicks? He was never guard by great players? People seems to only mention Clyde Drexler but what about guys like Mitch Richmond, whos been one of the most underrated pure shooters in NBA history? When it comes to 3's - he shits on both Kobe and Jordan!
The zone defense is a myth - just because it was forbidden in the 90's dosen't mean the teams didn't use it in games.
http://www.youtube.com/v/5K-qGWkiKvQ http://www.youtube.com/v/NLv2F33snCE http://www.youtube.com/v/A6_GgXXR4vA
To say MJ was only guarded by "short white guys" like you wanted it to be is a complete joke therefor I'm done with this conversation.
i never said he was ONLY guarded by short white guys, but the FACT of the matter is that the athleticism in the league nowadays is on a much higher level than it was in Jordan's days, and while Jordan definitely did go up against tough defenses in his day, the rules didn't allow defenses to smother 1 player and make that player the whole focus of ur defense like the rules of today do. if u dont understand what i'm sayin, perhaps ur puttin jordan on a pedestal like every1 else who was made 2 believe he was the untouchable goat in the take-off of the nba's marketing era.
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Justin biebers life> Everyones life on this forum
i bet u'd say the same about rupaul...really, though, speak for urself, son
LOL. Right. Because who wouldn't want to be a multi millionaire with every girl your age and some older wanting to fuck you.
But elior thinks his life is better living with his parents and dating fat ogres.
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Justin biebers life> Everyones life on this forum
i bet u'd say the same about rupaul...really, though, speak for urself, son
LOL. Right. Because who wouldn't want to be a multi millionaire with every girl your age and some older wanting to fuck you.
But elior thinks his life is better living with his parents and dating fat ogres.
and in the end, he is still a fag who will end up comin out the closet like the nick carter n all them other faggot heart-throbs this nation has seen....anyways, it's pretty evident what kind of life u faggots envy, so i'm done talkin how cool it is 2 look like justin bieber.
back to kobe being on pace 2 ending his career as GOAT
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Kobe will never be seen as higher then Michael no matter how much you ballwash him with your tongue
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Kobe will never be seen as higher then Michael no matter how much you ballwash him with your tongue
how would u know? u havent even been watchin basketball for the past 10 years.
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Because nobody except you and a few other nutriders think he's even in the discussion
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Because nobody except you and a few other nutriders think he's even in the discussion
not true...only people who dont believe that kobe has a chance to end his career in goat discussions are brainwashed casual fans who think there were never any other players on jordans level, because of how stern and nike marketed him.
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Suck kobes nuts a little harder, see if you can fit both his balls and his dick in your Faggot ass mouth, pussycunt
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lol, NIK should be placed on suicide watch.
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Suck kobes nuts a little harder, see if you can fit both his balls and his dick in your Faggot ass mouth, pussycunt
only person co-signin u right now is that faggot bieber lookalike who sucked tanner off...i guess sikotic was right bout u. ur the type 2 bump ur drake cd while fingerbangin, canadian fruit.
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LOL. The only person on the forum who co-signs your music is a guy who you make music with. & the only other people I've seen defend you on here in your lifetime are Ali, Roccy, Lights & Floydness.
Three of them are your good friends in real life & the other was your girlfriend who you "loved". So don't even start with that. I don't even know Jay. You ever think that maybe you're just wrong all of the time? I mean, think about it. You're only ever "right" because you just convince your idiotic ass you are by calling other people "stupid".
& sadly enough, the way people view you on here means so much to you, you got them to sign up to have your back. Joke of a life.
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LOL. The only person on the forum who co-signs your music is a guy who you make music with. & the only other people I've seen defend you on here in your lifetime are Ali, Roccy, Lights & Floydness.
Three of them are your good friends in real life & the other was your girlfriend who you "loved". So don't even start with that. I don't even know Jay. You ever think that maybe you're just wrong all of the time? I mean, think about it. You're only ever "right" because you just convince your idiotic ass you are by calling other people "stupid".
& sadly enough, the way people view you on here means so much to you, you got them to sign up to have your back. Joke of a life.
bieber, ur bragging about being co-signed by someone who openly doesnt watch basketball and follows me into these threads just 2 talk shit...this is why ur a bigger fag than he is. along with the fact that u think it's cool 2 look like justin bieber. "justin bieber gets millions of dollars!" lmao...well guess what, u dont. ur broke AND u look like that faggot. deal with it.
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LOL, I didn't say "He makes million of dollars". I said, "Every girl including your mother finds him attractive". You're just mad because you look like a slimmer Joey Fatone mixed with a possum.
& he doesn't need to watch Basketball to see you're sucking Kobe harder than pornstars do Black men. The naked, uneducated eye can see that.
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LOL, I didn't say "He makes million of dollars". I said, "Every girl including your mother finds him attractive". You're just mad because you look like a slimmer Joey Fatone mixed with a possum.
& he doesn't need to watch Basketball to see you're sucking Kobe harder than pornstars do Black men. The naked, uneducated eye can see that.
that was very gay and u just unintentionally revealed black cock as one of ur fetishes... now the lebron thing is starting 2 make more sense, bieber.
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This is coming from the guy who says "nutrider", "cockboy" & "dicklicker" in 98% of his disses.
Also, this was a major dodge. Now you're just reaching with some comeback older than your taste in music.
So in the end, your dodge tells me you can't even deny that you suck Kobe hard & you can't deny that even somebody who "openly" doesn't want Basketball can realize that. You lose.
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This is coming from the guy who says "nutrider", "cockboy" & "dicklicker" in 98% of his disses.
Also, this was a major dodge. Now you're just reaching with some comeback older than your taste in music.
So in the end, your dodge tells me you can't even deny that you suck Kobe hard & you can't deny that even somebody who "openly" doesn't want Basketball can realize that. You lose.
^all i saw in this post is "i'm a dumb faggot who wants black cock"