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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: I_ThePope_I on July 20, 2011, 01:37:44 PM
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Not the best beatmakers per se, but the best sound producers. DJ Quik is up there of course, he's a sound nerd. Who else? I've been leaning more towards the audio side of music lately.
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the fuck are you talking about?
i think you mean rappers that know how to mix there own beats
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in sonic terms i put quik ahead of dre, quik is easily the top dogg in this department. i also like timbaland, danja, neptunes if we're talking about things from a mixing/sound quality perspective as opposed to purely musical. jonathan rotem has some really nice shit too, khalil somewhat and also focus. scott storch on a good day, hi-tek. for me, use of low-end in particular is really what separates some of these guys from the rest. there are others but i don't really like their music so much to get into it.
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detox has been on the bench for about 5 years, and you always here dre took credit from other artist like Daz.. what the hell is a dre beat??
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After Pac hit up Dre Dre's career was basically on life support. After Pac Died Dre came back with Eminem and the rest is history. Dre would of never came back and had the respect if Pac hadn't died. I remember in an interview Pac said Dre didnt even attend Snoops murder Trial because he was too busy and that if he had Snoops case would of been a lot easier because the accuser had said Dre was in the car.
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detox has been on the bench for about 5 years, and you always here dre took credit from other artist like Daz.. what the hell is a dre beat??
no such as a Dre beat/production. Its all about who has the bigger name, the most money and power which Dre has. He cann afford to hire ghost producers and then blackball them afterwards if they get out of line.
But back to the subject at hand:
Quik,Timbo,Neptunes, Scott Storch>>>> Dre
And to all Dre dickriders I dont want to hear that bullshit excuse of "Dre produces the records and others make the beats" because all the other producers I just named do thier own "beats" and "produce" thier own records too. Why is it that Dre is the only super producer to get away with barely doing shit on his own records?
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Dre has a name the rest of them are irrelevant in the game, or dont kiss ass
Dre is talented im not saying he isn't but fuck him he aint bigger then the West Coast and unfortunately it seems like he aint shit going without his approval..
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detox has been on the bench for about 5 years, and you always here dre took credit from other artist like Daz.. what the hell is a dre beat??
no such as a Dre beat/production. Its all about who has the bigger name, the most money and power which Dre has. He cann afford to hire ghost producers and then blackball them afterwards if they get out of line.
But back to the subject at hand:
Quik,Timbo,Neptunes, Scott Storch>>>> Dre
And to all Dre dickriders I dont want to hear that bullshit excuse of "Dre produces the records and others make the beats" because all the other producers I just named do thier own "beats" and "produce" thier own records too. Why is it that Dre is the only super producer to get away with barely doing shit on his own records?
no way Storch > Dre for sound quality, the beats speak for themselves. Storch just can't make drums knock as hard and it's obvious his dopest tracks borrow a lot sonically from the way Dre's records are mixed, especially the 2001 era stuff. A lot may be due to 'Veto' or various co-producers, but as this is about producers, it's Dre's name and the consistent audio quality of the beats it's attached to that matters.
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Timbaland
Quik
Big Hutch
Khayree
K-Lou
Mike Dean
not saying they're better than Dre or anything but they've all been praised for their technical abilities
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no such as a Dre beat/production. Its all about who has the bigger name, the most money and power which Dre has. He cann afford to hire ghost producers and then blackball them afterwards if they get out of line.
But back to the subject at hand:
Quik,Timbo,Neptunes, Scott Storch>>>> Dre
And to all Dre dickriders I dont want to hear that bullshit excuse of "Dre produces the records and others make the beats" because all the other producers I just named do thier own "beats" and "produce" thier own records too. Why is it that Dre is the only super producer to get away with barely doing shit on his own records?
I've heard the same shit about Timbaland and Pharrell too. Both of them take credit for other peoples work.
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Muggs
E-A-Ski
DJ-U-Neek
decided to go a lil old school
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scarface that nigga can play mad instruments and has studied music theory extensively
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no such as a Dre beat/production. Its all about who has the bigger name, the most money and power which Dre has. He cann afford to hire ghost producers and then blackball them afterwards if they get out of line.
But back to the subject at hand:
Quik,Timbo,Neptunes, Scott Storch>>>> Dre
And to all Dre dickriders I dont want to hear that bullshit excuse of "Dre produces the records and others make the beats" because all the other producers I just named do thier own "beats" and "produce" thier own records too. Why is it that Dre is the only super producer to get away with barely doing shit on his own records?
I've heard the same shit about Timbaland and Pharrell too. Both of them take credit for other peoples work.
I have yet to hear/see any producer come out and expose timbo and pharrel tho. everybody from erotic d to daz to glove to neff u have said the same thing about Dre. Cant all be lies and speculation
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no such as a Dre beat/production. Its all about who has the bigger name, the most money and power which Dre has. He cann afford to hire ghost producers and then blackball them afterwards if they get out of line.
But back to the subject at hand:
Quik,Timbo,Neptunes, Scott Storch>>>> Dre
And to all Dre dickriders I dont want to hear that bullshit excuse of "Dre produces the records and others make the beats" because all the other producers I just named do thier own "beats" and "produce" thier own records too. Why is it that Dre is the only super producer to get away with barely doing shit on his own records?
I've heard the same shit about Timbaland and Pharrell too. Both of them take credit for other peoples work.
I have yet to hear/see any producer come out and expose timbo and pharrel tho. everybody from erotic d to daz to glove to neff u have said the same thing about Dre. Cant all be lies and speculation
Hugo has been described by The Source Magazine as the "Mr Spock" to Williams' "Captain Kirk", an analogy that does not sit well with Hugo, as he does not see himself as "stiff" like "Mr Spock". However, he does say Williams usually provides the beat (as the drummer of the duo) and most of the melodies to the Neptunes productions, whereas his role lies more in as a 'one man band' and sequencer.
Yeah, you're right but still there's been a lot of "rumors" around. I wasn't defendin' Dr. Dre though, he gets way too much credit for shit he didnt create.
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Quik and Dre of course are on top. There's some I like that don't get enough love imo. Madlib (not everything but some of his earlier stuff), E-Swift and A Trbie Called Quest in the sampled beats category.
I like Mannie Fresh, DJ Toomp and JUSTICE League for the south vibe.
I don't get Scott Storch tho. To me he is more of a musicians than a technical mixer/sound engineer
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no such as a Dre beat/production. Its all about who has the bigger name, the most money and power which Dre has. He cann afford to hire ghost producers and then blackball them afterwards if they get out of line.
But back to the subject at hand:
Quik,Timbo,Neptunes, Scott Storch>>>> Dre
And to all Dre dickriders I dont want to hear that bullshit excuse of "Dre produces the records and others make the beats" because all the other producers I just named do thier own "beats" and "produce" thier own records too. Why is it that Dre is the only super producer to get away with barely doing shit on his own records?
I've heard the same shit about Timbaland and Pharrell too. Both of them take credit for other peoples work.
I have yet to hear/see any producer come out and expose timbo and pharrel tho. everybody from erotic d to daz to glove to neff u have said the same thing about Dre. Cant all be lies and speculation
Hugo has been described by The Source Magazine as the "Mr Spock" to Williams' "Captain Kirk", an analogy that does not sit well with Hugo, as he does not see himself as "stiff" like "Mr Spock". However, he does say Williams usually provides the beat (as the drummer of the duo) and most of the melodies to the Neptunes productions, whereas his role lies more in as a 'one man band' and sequencer.
Yeah, you're right but still there's been a lot of "rumors" around. I wasn't defendin' Dr. Dre though, he gets way too much credit for shit he didnt create.
what was that quote suppose to prove? Chad Hugo even says that Pharrel provides the beats and the melodies
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http://www.youtube.com/v/2Nl2Wn1pjrs
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gotta go with Johnny J. he was knocking out tracks left and right with Pac with his E-mu SP-1200 drum machine. he had a soulful vibe in most of his tracks, beats actually have substance in them and from an interview i recently heard, he actually played some of the instruments himself in his beats. very underrated producer.
heres a sample of some his greatness
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvIZ-ofBSmc&feature=channel_video_title
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After Pac hit up Dre Dre's career was basically on life support. After Pac Died Dre came back with Eminem and the rest is history. Dre would of never came back and had the respect if Pac hadn't died. I remember in an interview Pac said Dre didnt even attend Snoops murder Trial because he was too busy and that if he had Snoops case would of been a lot easier because the accuser had said Dre was in the car.
Dre's career wasn't damaged by the Pac disses. He had left Death Row and was forced to start over from scratch. If Pac hadn't died, he would have eventually moved past the beef and gone in a different career direction himself.
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I think the following producers have a great ear for music in hip hop. Not saything they are the best, just that they make great music. If I was making my own album and could pick and choose my producers, all these guys would be on my list.
DJ Quik
Timbaland
1500 or Nothing
DJ Khalil
Johnathan "JR" Rotem
Hi-Tek
Nottz
Cool & Dre
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Justice League production is high quality
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maybach music 2 is one of the illest beats ever.
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Khayree=most underrated produced of all time
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damn i forgot about him...khyreee is dope as fuck.
ray luv cd is one of the most overlooked wc albums ever...the whole black brother label was dope.
that song they had on the new jersey drive soundtrack used to be my ride out shit.
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And to all Dre dickriders I dont want to hear that bullshit excuse of "Dre produces the records and others make the beats" because all the other producers I just named do thier own "beats" and "produce" thier own records too. Why is it that Dre is the only super producer to get away with barely doing shit on his own records?
Timbaland uses coproducers most of the time as well. So does Kanye.
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damn i forgot about him...khyreee is dope as fuck.
ray luv cd is one of the most overlooked wc albums ever...the whole black brother label was dope.
that song they had on the new jersey drive soundtrack used to be my ride out shit.
very true, that ray luv album is a classic....same with mac dre - young black brotha, mac mall - illegal business, mac mall - untouchable, dubee - self-titled......khayree is actually producing mac mall's new album, so u know shits guna be bangin. legendary producer.
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mac mall - untouchable
wasn't produced by Khayree... the album was put out on Relativity records and Khayree only produced 2 tracks for that album I think...
Forever Hustlin, Illegal Business, Dubee AKA Sugawolf and Black N dangerous (Young Lay) are his best work IMO. blackalation was a dope compilation too, that "back to my mission" joint was fire.
what separates K hayree from the others is his incredible versatility. not only does he do it all (mixing, engineering, producing, playing) he has also this habit of changing completely the beat during the track (cf. Mac Mall's Sick Wit Tis or Young Lay's Gotta Survive).
can't believe dude produced stuff for Vanilla Ice while he was doing music with Strictly Business & YBB, doesn't make sense to me... what's worse is that it might be his only plaque (along with the New Jersey Drive OST).
but Khayree fucked up on a business side imo, i don't know the specifics but dude had first Mac Dre who had a huge buzz then Mac Mall who had a huge buzz + a major deal with atlantic records too and didn't do much... he went separate ways with Mac Mall and after Dre was released out of jail he dissed Khayree (and Mac Mall) in his song Macstabbers. Khayree even admitted being an egotistic mf in a trailer i saw on youtube.
what's paradoxical is even though i love Mac Dre's early stuff with Khayree (especially the Young Black Brotha EP), I think Stupid Doo Doo Dumb is his best album. which brings me to another underrated producer, K-Lou. K-Lou is one of the most overlooked producers from the West and I get that since he's from Richmond which isn't really the most visible spot on the map but still I think he's easily one of the very best to do it.
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mac mall - untouchable
wasn't produced by Khayree... the album was put out on Relativity records and Khayree only produced 2 tracks for that album I think...
Forever Hustlin, Illegal Business, Dubee AKA Sugawolf and Black N dangerous (Young Lay) are his best work IMO. blackalation was a dope compilation too, that "back to my mission" joint was fire.
what separates K hayree from the others is his incredible versatility. not only does he do it all (mixing, engineering, producing, playing) he has also this habit of changing completely the beat during the track (cf. Mac Mall's Sick Wit Tis or Young Lay's Gotta Survive).
can't believe dude produced stuff for Vanilla Ice while he was doing music with Strictly Business & YBB, doesn't make sense to me... what's worse is that it might be his only plaque (along with the New Jersey Drive OST).
but Khayree fucked up on a business side imo, i don't know the specifics but dude had first Mac Dre who had a huge buzz then Mac Mall who had a huge buzz + a major deal with atlantic records too and didn't do much... he went separate ways with Mac Mall and after Dre was released out of jail he dissed Khayree (and Mac Mall) in his song Macstabbers. Khayree even admitted being an egotistic mf in a trailer i saw on youtube.
what's paradoxical is even though i love Mac Dre's early stuff with Khayree (especially the Young Black Brotha EP), I think Stupid Doo Doo Dumb is his best album. which brings me to another underrated producer, K-Lou. K-Lou is one of the most overlooked producers from the West and I get that since he's from Richmond which isn't really the most visible spot on the map but still I think he's easily one of the very best to do it.
yea...but the khayree production on "untouchable" was great. "crestside" is some of mac mall's best shit.
k-lou is also extremely underrated....whats he up 2 nowadays?
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i think 24k is kyhrees most consistant album...banger after fucking banger.
klou is the guy that did early no limit with easki and cmt right?
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i think 24k is kyhrees most consistant album...banger after fucking banger.
klou is the guy that did early no limit with easki and cmt right?
yea...his best work was with mac dre, though.
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right, he produced for most of the major bay area artists and pretty much every Richmond rapper... plus a lot of ,northern cali music whether produced by mike mosley, studio ton, beats by the pound etc. was recorded & engineered at his studios... he also plays the guitar and the bass on a lot of songs
some of his best stuff
http://www.youtube.com/v/Dqi49qzaj-Y
http://www.youtube.com/v/UGSqFfdeG5w
http://www.youtube.com/v/Ipgdpaj53GY
http://www.youtube.com/v/7g2zDreHFWk
http://www.youtube.com/v/HdSLpHVT4GI
http://www.youtube.com/v/9Byc04XlAkM
http://www.youtube.com/v/NsGj_ssCidU
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http://www.youtube.com/v/AoWnt6NIeaM
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Ill pick one of dre's protoges. Mike elizondo.....the work he did with maroon 5 fiona apple and carrie underwood was phenomenal
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mike mosley, studio ton
wtf happened to these two.
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i think 24k is kyhrees most consistant album...banger after fucking banger.
klou is the guy that did early no limit with easki and cmt right?
yea...his best work was with mac dre, though.
i wont dispute your opinion but from a musical standpoint i still prefer some of his post 92 work.
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Muggs
E-A-Ski
DJ-U-Neek
decided to go a lil old school
no! sonically not at all... muggs? lol...
how can you guys gorget about chris the glove taylor????
listen to some chico and cw
and he used to polish sound FOR dr.dre..
now hes on par with dj quik
not a muggs, or a big hutch. lol. big hutch.. he used to suck in mixing, listen to some old overdriven (!) ATL
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i think 24k is kyhrees most consistant album...banger after fucking banger.
klou is the guy that did early no limit with easki and cmt right?
yea...his best work was with mac dre, though.
i wont dispute your opinion but from a musical standpoint i still prefer some of his post 92 work.
huh?...i was talkin bout k-lou. k-lou only produced for mac dre after he got out of jail.
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Did I really read johnny j? That dude sucked. Pac was the complete opposite of modern day rappers. He took wack beats and made them into dope songs. Where as nowdays I keep seeing Rick Ross praised for picking good beats, the fuck kinda "talent is that"?
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it means hes got a good ear for beats...it means he knows what kind of beat to pair what kind of lyrics with he knows what kind of tempos compliment which type of flow....ross is often in the studio with the engineers/producers telling them when he wants the beat to drop and shit....and it shows.
the titleholder beforer ross was gfk
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JOHNNY J SUCKED? LOL.
http://www.youtube.com/v/xX5VCY28_Xo
End discussion.
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it means hes got a good ear for beats...it means he knows what kind of beat to pair what kind of lyrics with he knows what kind of tempos compliment which type of flow....ross is often in the studio with the engineers/producers telling them when he wants the beat to drop and shit....and it shows.
isn't that basically what dre does? + mixing
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JOHNNY J SUCKED? LOL.
http://www.youtube.com/v/xX5VCY28_Xo
End discussion.
as much as i like that beat johnny j didnt do much to that sample....its pretty much a straight loop.
also that beat is recycled from his own lp he did in the early 90s
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Rick Rock was ill with those electronic keys . Very under appreciated hit maker.
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Quik above Dre..
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detox has been on the bench for about 5 years, and you always here dre took credit from other artist like Daz.. what the hell is a dre beat??
no such as a Dre beat/production. Its all about who has the bigger name, the most money and power which Dre has. He cann afford to hire ghost producers and then blackball them afterwards if they get out of line.
But back to the subject at hand:
Quik,Timbo,Neptunes, Scott Storch>>>> Dre
And to all Dre dickriders I dont want to hear that bullshit excuse of "Dre produces the records and others make the beats" because all the other producers I just named do thier own "beats" and "produce" thier own records too. Why is it that Dre is the only super producer to get away with barely doing shit on his own records?
You sound retarded as fuck! Do you realize that everyone you named uses co-producers as well? Hell, two people you named (timbo/scott storch) had beef with each other over song credit. So know what you're talking about before you call yourself trying to post some shit. Its funny how every producer you named has considered Dr. Dre the greatest at one point or another, but a few nobodies on here try to say he's a fraud. Its also funny how every thread that mentions the man's name turns into "dre bashing". Y'all end up soundin like biter ex-girlfriends or some shit. That's more 'dick riding' than anything you can accuse anyone else of. nything you can accuse anyone else of.
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don juan, phonk beta, brotha lynch, seven, sicx=a few more hella underrated producers.
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Ill pick one of dre's protoges. Mike elizondo.....the work he did with maroon 5 fiona apple and carrie underwood was phenomenal
yeah that maroon 5 material in particular is crazy, the mixing and way it bumps is immense. mike really has a handle on sound. mark batson is great too 8)
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Khayree=most underrated produced of all time
And Stoupe.
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Esham 8)
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what's paradoxical is even though i love Mac Dre's early stuff with Khayree (especially the Young Black Brotha EP), I think Stupid Doo Doo Dumb is his best album.
My opinion of Khayree was that he was making all this crazy live instrumental production for rappers who didn't really need it. Dre and Mall really only needed basic funk samples to spit that macking shit. Would've been cool if he had expanded the range of artists he worked with.
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Mr. Swerve
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I would definitely put Beats by the pound AKA The Medicine Men on top of the list :)
The fact that they could put out that amount of records with no or hardly any effort at all....and all going gold and platinum is an accomplishment.