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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: Chad on August 05, 2011, 03:04:34 PM
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http://blogs.laweekly.com/westcoastsound/2011/08/docs_top_five_doc_ghostwritten.php
In the paper this week I get inside the head of D.O.C., who ghostewrote the bulk of the early Ruthless Records catalog and is all over The Chronic and Doggystyle. His own solo career was ascendent on the strength of his platinum debut No One Can Do It Better before a car accident wrecked his vocal chords.
Though originally from Dallas, D.O.C's a West coast legend, largely responsible for creating the hip hop characters portrayed by Eazy-E, Dr. Dre, and Snoop. He has rarely gotten the proper credit -- or cash -- due to him over the years, but it's no secret that penned many of the big early gangsta rap classics. Here then, straight from the man himself, are his top five songs he wrote on, in no particular order.
1. "Nuthin' But A 'G' Thang," Dr. Dre featuring Snoop
"When ''G' Thang' was created, I was living in Agoura Hills, and Snoop and Warren G were living with me. In 1990 me and Snoop each took the beat to different parts of the house to write. Snoop went upstairs, I stayed downstairs, and we met back up in an hour. When he came back downstairs I said, 'Let's take this piece and put it here...This doesn't really work there.' It's really just like a jigsaw [puzzle]. And then I said, 'For the last line [of Dre's verse], let's put my name on there,' because otherwise I wouldn't get to be in the song. That's why Dre says: Like my nigga D.O.C./ No one can do it better."
2. "We Want Eazy," Eazy-E
"That was the first day I ever went to the studio with Dre in Cali, in 1988. Dre pulled up the track and said, 'Doc, you got something?' Eazy, Ren and Yella were there -- Cube wasn't around a lot. [The song] took me 15 minutes to write. When you're 19 and excited, that shit comes out of you like piss. Eazy started learning it -- that took a day or two. He wasn't the most talented motherfucker in the world; it generally took him 12 hours to get through a verse. But when he got it it was good, and pretty soon the song was every-fucking-where. That's a testament to Dre, who taught me 95 percent of what I know.
3. "The Next Episode," Dr. Dre, featuring Snoop Dogg, Nate Dogg, and Kurupt
"I'd cultivated that song for such a long time. The very last line of ''G' Thang' is 'Just chill 'till the next episode,' but this song didn't happen for ten more years. We did it three or four times before it finally appeared on 2001. We were just waiting for the right story, and 2001 ended up being a huge record."
4. "Prelude/Still Talkin'," Eazy-E
"That's my Rakim impression: 'Easily I approach...' That was me giving Eazy East coast impressions that other West coast guys weren't up on...[At that point] everyone was saying I was the greatest. I got a big head. When I came in with a good rap, Cube would have to go home and re-write his raps. We would goof around. Once we pretended we were film critics from London. It was funny to see Cube with his gheri curl, doing a British accent.
5. "Alwayz Into Somethin'," NWA
"This was when Cube had just left the group. I'd just lost my voice. Everyone's wondering, 'How's NWA gonna continue, with Cube gone?' As for me, all I had was alcohol and strip clubs. I was going though a tough time. I wrote that song for everyone, and it made me feel that even though I'd lost my voice I was still valuable."
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and people sittin here tryna act like the guy who wrote 5 of the biggest west coast tracks ever aint west coast.....smh
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Eminem wrote Dre's biggest hits. He must be west coast.
On topic, you can see how D.O.C.'s ghostwriting changed. On Eazy Duz It the songs he wrote were pretty similar to his own style. Then he started writing g shit and dumbing it down for Dre's lyrics.
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you can see how D.O.C.'s ghostwriting changed. On Eazy Duz It the songs he wrote were pretty similar to his own style. Then he started writing g shit and dumbing it down for Dre's lyrics.
A good ghostwriter adjusts his writing to conform to the natural rhythms of the artist he's writing for so as to mask the writer's own innate style. This is why DOC is a great ghostwriter. What he writes for dudes sounds natural for them. It's also why Eminem is not a good ghostwriter, because he doesn't adjust his writing.
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dumbing it down for Dre's lyrics.
it's not like Eazy E was kicking rhymes like KRS-1. I actually think that Eazy's lyrics are dumbed down compared to Dre's.
...nice to hear some background info on some of the songs he wrote. Would like to hear more about this.
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ive heard some of the reference tracks that big and jay ghost did for lil kim, its crazy to hear them rap about sucking dicks and shit lmao
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you can see how D.O.C.'s ghostwriting changed. On Eazy Duz It the songs he wrote were pretty similar to his own style. Then he started writing g shit and dumbing it down for Dre's lyrics.
A good ghostwriter adjusts his writing to conform to the natural rhythms of the artist he's writing for so as to mask the writer's own innate style. This is why DOC is a great ghostwriter. What he writes for dudes sounds natural for them. It's also why Eminem is not a good ghostwriter, because he doesn't adjust his writing.
say what you want but for his first 2 albums and 2001 his ghostwriting for Dre was sick and probably the best lyrics Dre's ever had.
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dumbing it down for Dre's lyrics.
it's not like Eazy E was kicking rhymes like KRS-1. I actually think that Eazy's lyrics are dumbed down compared to Dre's.
We want Eazy definitely sounds like the D.O.C.
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congrats chad
http://blogs.laweekly.com/westcoastsound/2011/08/docs_top_five_doc_ghostwritten.php
In the paper this week I get inside the head of D.O.C., who ghostewrote the bulk of the early Ruthless Records catalog and is all over The Chronic and Doggystyle. His own solo career was ascendent on the strength of his platinum debut No One Can Do It Better before a car accident wrecked his vocal chords.
Though originally from Dallas, D.O.C's a West coast legend, largely responsible for creating the hip hop characters portrayed by Eazy-E, Dr. Dre, and Snoop. He has rarely gotten the proper credit -- or cash -- due to him over the years, but it's no secret that penned many of the big early gangsta rap classics. Here then, straight from the man himself, are his top five songs he wrote on, in no particular order.
do you really believe that?
dude was heavy on the drugs & alcohol. he says hes been sober for a few months.
i dont know about the credits, but i believe he wasted his money. cant blame the labels for that
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Eminem wrote Dre's biggest hits. He must be west coast.
On topic, you can see how D.O.C.'s ghostwriting changed. On Eazy Duz It the songs he wrote were pretty similar to his own style. Then he started writing g shit and dumbing it down for Dre's lyrics.
show me 1 track where eminem repped the west coast lmao
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props on the interview 8)
how about DOC's best ghostwritten albums? Doggystyle?
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Always thought he did a good job ghostwriting "That's That Shit" for Snoop.
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Eminem wrote Dre's biggest hits. He must be west coast.
On topic, you can see how D.O.C.'s ghostwriting changed. On Eazy Duz It the songs he wrote were pretty similar to his own style. Then he started writing g shit and dumbing it down for Dre's lyrics.
show me 1 track where eminem repped the west coast lmao
Crack a Bottle. "But what else can I say, I love LA"
how about DOC's best ghostwritten albums? Doggystyle?
He didn't write on Doggystyle
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Eminem wrote Dre's biggest hits. He must be west coast.
On topic, you can see how D.O.C.'s ghostwriting changed. On Eazy Duz It the songs he wrote were pretty similar to his own style. Then he started writing g shit and dumbing it down for Dre's lyrics.
show me 1 track where eminem repped the west coast lmao
Crack a Bottle. "But what else can I say, I love LA"
how about DOC's best ghostwritten albums? Doggystyle?
He didn't write on Doggystyle
LMFAO@u considering that "reppin" the west...again, slap yaself.
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I found it interesting that there are a couple of other versions "Next Episode" out there. I wonder if they were recorded during the early Death Row days like the OG version or later on.
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I found it interesting that there are a couple of other versions "Next Episode" out there. I wonder if they were recorded during the early Death Row days like the OG version or later on.
when he said "we did that song three or four times"... and that the next episode line in g thang was what started it....
i kind of got the impression that next episode OG was recorded sometime after g thang (which was recorded in 1990 according to this?? damn), that next episode (retail) was recorded during the 2001 sessions, and that there was a version or two in the middle there somewhere....
so maybe DOC wrote dre's verses on next episode (OG)?
also - another point. if DOC really wrote that much of the ruthless material... i mean didn't cube also say he did a lot of writing? i always thought that cube and DOC went like 50/50 on dre and eazy's verses basically, and that Ren did some writing also.
2001 also raises question marks. from what i've heard, and seen in credits, royce, jay-z, eminem, snoop, hittman, knoc, mis roq, and DOC ALL did writing for Dre. and dre only really has so many verses on that album, even if u include throwaways and leaked tracks. so... i think this is just another situation where everyone is laying claim to the work, and everyone is exaggerating what they did.
and as for how much RBX did on the chronic... jeez we will simply never know haha. but whatever he did definitely cuts into what snoop and DOC have claimed to do.
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^I believe every word of what DOC says...highly doubt he's exaggerating any of the facts.
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idk man he seems mad at the world. could be stretching the turth a little. and d.o.c. did help snoop write doggystyle. snoop has said this and doc said it on "from ruthless to death row (do we all part)".
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Eminem wrote Dre's biggest hits. He must be west coast.
On topic, you can see how D.O.C.'s ghostwriting changed. On Eazy Duz It the songs he wrote were pretty similar to his own style. Then he started writing g shit and dumbing it down for Dre's lyrics.
show me 1 track where eminem repped the west coast lmao
Crack a Bottle. "But what else can I say, I love LA"
how about DOC's best ghostwritten albums? Doggystyle?
He didn't write on Doggystyle
LMFAO@u considering that "reppin" the west...again, slap yaself.
lmao at you considering lyrics that were ghostwritten for Dre for the Heltah Skeltah album proof of repping the west. The D.O.C. Always has lived in Texas. He was born there, raised there, and never left. Leaving your state to permanently move to another location is one thing but the D.O.C. has clearly never done that. He slept at Dre's crib so he could be part of his friend's career.
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Eminem wrote Dre's biggest hits. He must be west coast.
On topic, you can see how D.O.C.'s ghostwriting changed. On Eazy Duz It the songs he wrote were pretty similar to his own style. Then he started writing g shit and dumbing it down for Dre's lyrics.
show me 1 track where eminem repped the west coast lmao
Crack a Bottle. "But what else can I say, I love LA"
how about DOC's best ghostwritten albums? Doggystyle?
He didn't write on Doggystyle
LMFAO@u considering that "reppin" the west...again, slap yaself.
lmao at you considering lyrics that were ghostwritten for Dre for the Heltah Skeltah album proof of repping the west. The D.O.C. Always has lived in Texas. He was born there, raised there, and never left. Leaving your state to permanently move to another location is one thing but the D.O.C. has clearly never done that. He slept at Dre's crib so he could be part of his friend's career.
he left to live in LA in the late 80's-early 90's, and thats when his rap career took off. LOL@u making excuses, he ghost wrote it for Dre, thats why he reps the west on his albums? LMAO, then he coulda very easily changed the lyrics to rep the south (ie: shouting "southside hustler" instead of "westside hustler") when he realized Dre wouldnt be spitting it, but he obviously wanted to rep the west, genius....he is a staple of west coast rap, and anyone who thinks otherwise needs to get up on game.
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and as for how much RBX did on the chronic... jeez we will simply never know haha. but whatever he did definitely cuts into what snoop and DOC have claimed to do.
Check the booklet for the credits. The D.O.C, Snoop and RBX are credited on a lot of songs.
Written-By – Colin Wolfe (tracks: 1, 2, 6, 12), D.O.C.* (tracks: 7, 8, 10, 11), Daz* (tracks: 4, 6, 15), Dr. Dre (tracks: 1, 2, 4, 6, 9 to 13), Kurupt (tracks: 11, 14), Rage* (tracks: 11, 13 to 15), RBX (tracks: 3, 4, 11, 12, 14, 15), Snoop* (tracks: 1 to 11, 14)
Didn't RBX win a Grammy for writing "Let Me Ride" or somethin' like that?
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interesting
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also - another point. if DOC really wrote that much of the ruthless material... i mean didn't cube also say he did a lot of writing? i always thought that cube and DOC went like 50/50 on dre and eazy's verses basically, and that Ren did some writing also.
2001 also raises question marks. from what i've heard, and seen in credits, royce, jay-z, eminem, snoop, hittman, knoc, mis roq, and DOC ALL did writing for Dre. and dre only really has so many verses on that album, even if u include throwaways and leaked tracks. so... i think this is just another situation where everyone is laying claim to the work, and everyone is exaggerating what they did.
and as for how much RBX did on the chronic... jeez we will simply never know haha. but whatever he did definitely cuts into what snoop and DOC have claimed to do.
those claims are false, he even claims to have written most of NWA's material.
and as for how much RBX did on the chronic... jeez we will simply never know haha. but whatever he did definitely cuts into what snoop and DOC have claimed to do.
Check the booklet for the credits. The D.O.C, Snoop and RBX are credited on a lot of songs.
Written-By – Colin Wolfe (tracks: 1, 2, 6, 12), D.O.C.* (tracks: 7, 8, 10, 11), Daz* (tracks: 4, 6, 15), Dr. Dre (tracks: 1, 2, 4, 6, 9 to 13), Kurupt (tracks: 11, 14), Rage* (tracks: 11, 13 to 15), RBX (tracks: 3, 4, 11, 12, 14, 15), Snoop* (tracks: 1 to 11, 14)
Didn't RBX win a Grammy for writing "Let Me Ride" or somethin' like that?
yes.
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Eminem wrote Dre's biggest hits. He must be west coast.
On topic, you can see how D.O.C.'s ghostwriting changed. On Eazy Duz It the songs he wrote were pretty similar to his own style. Then he started writing g shit and dumbing it down for Dre's lyrics.
show me 1 track where eminem repped the west coast lmao
Crack a Bottle. "But what else can I say, I love LA"
how about DOC's best ghostwritten albums? Doggystyle?
He didn't write on Doggystyle
DOC has stated he did and so has Snoop
there are no credits in the booklet so we will never know how much though
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Eminem wrote Dre's biggest hits. He must be west coast.
On topic, you can see how D.O.C.'s ghostwriting changed. On Eazy Duz It the songs he wrote were pretty similar to his own style. Then he started writing g shit and dumbing it down for Dre's lyrics.
show me 1 track where eminem repped the west coast lmao
Crack a Bottle. "But what else can I say, I love LA"
how about DOC's best ghostwritten albums? Doggystyle?
He didn't write on Doggystyle
DOC has stated he did and so has Snoop
there are no credits in the booklet so we will never know how much though
Wrong. You need to read your interviews more carefully. He was a vocal coach and teaching Snoop how to make a song. Snoop wrote his own rhymes.
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ive heard some of the reference tracks that big and jay ghost did for lil kim, its crazy to hear them rap about sucking dicks and shit lmao
I heard the big one but what one did jay do?
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Eminem wrote Dre's biggest hits. He must be west coast.
On topic, you can see how D.O.C.'s ghostwriting changed. On Eazy Duz It the songs he wrote were pretty similar to his own style. Then he started writing g shit and dumbing it down for Dre's lyrics.
show me 1 track where eminem repped the west coast lmao
Crack a Bottle. "But what else can I say, I love LA"
how about DOC's best ghostwritten albums? Doggystyle?
He didn't write on Doggystyle
DOC has stated he did and so has Snoop
there are no credits in the booklet so we will never know how much though
Wrong. You need to read your interviews more carefully. He was a vocal coach and teaching Snoop how to make a song. Snoop wrote his own rhymes.
Snoop is a better freestyler than writer hence Tha Shiznit one of the best tracks on the CD. But Snoop did have help with some other tracks, he would come up with lyrics and ideas and DOC would perfect them into making a song.
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lol as sick as doggystyle is and always will be...its nothing to be lyrically proud of on snoops behalf for the most part...spelling yours and dres and dazs name in every verse, ending everything in a me, see, we, g, aint too flabergasting..
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Eminem wrote Dre's biggest hits. He must be west coast.
On topic, you can see how D.O.C.'s ghostwriting changed. On Eazy Duz It the songs he wrote were pretty similar to his own style. Then he started writing g shit and dumbing it down for Dre's lyrics.
show me 1 track where eminem repped the west coast lmao
Crack a Bottle. "But what else can I say, I love LA"
how about DOC's best ghostwritten albums? Doggystyle?
He didn't write on Doggystyle
DOC has stated he did and so has Snoop
there are no credits in the booklet so we will never know how much though
Wrong. You need to read your interviews more carefully. He was a vocal coach and teaching Snoop how to make a song. Snoop wrote his own rhymes.
Snoop is a better freestyler than writer hence Tha Shiznit one of the best tracks on the CD. But Snoop did have help with some other tracks, he would come up with lyrics and ideas and DOC would perfect them into making a song.
As I said, he was a mentor for Snoop and helped teach him how to make songs. He didn't ghostwrite for him.