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Title: Should we read anything into Dr. Dre's contributions actually hurting RED album?
Post by: Detox Is A Myth!!! on August 20, 2011, 09:08:35 AM
Let me start by acknowledging I know Dre didn't explicitly produce Drug Test, but we know he worked on the production the same way he did on Kush, and he added vocals to it, so I'm going to consider this as much Dre's song as Khalil's.

Having said that, the consensus seems to be that Drug Test is one of the worst productions on RED Album, and I'm struggling to remember a previous instance in which that was the case for Dr. Dre.  Can anyone think of a precedent for this, when Dre had what was commonly acknowledged to be one of the worst contributions (i.e. quasi-productions) on an album?

If not, this could be a milestone (in a negative way).  Should we take it as a sign that Dre has fallen off steeply?  I remember back in the day it was anathema to think Dr. Dre's direct contributions to an album would actually hurt the album.  Oh, how the mighty have fallen  :'(

So, should we not overreact to this, or is it a sign of the times in your opinion?  For me, it's empirical evidence that Dr. Dre has fallen off hard, which is sad to be honest with you.  But I just want to know what you think.  And if you give Dre a pass for this embarrassment, why?  You can only have blind faith in something or somebody for so long before you need to acknowledge reality.  Just my 2 cents.  What do you think?
Title: Re: Should we read anything into Dr. Dre's contributions actually hurting RED album?
Post by: Okka on August 20, 2011, 09:15:24 AM
Fuck you.















Just kiddin', i don't think the beat of "Drug Test" was one of the worst beats on the album though. I like it, it's bangin'.
Title: Re: Should we read anything into Dr. Dre's contributions actually hurting RED album?
Post by: bouli77 on August 20, 2011, 09:20:38 AM
i think Dre doesn't give a fuck about Game at all but acts as if he did. so he let him use a track he didn't bother take to the next level. and in the end it's a terrible track IMHO, possibly the worst Dre/Khalil track i've ever heard lol.
Title: Re: Should we read anything into Dr. Dre's contributions actually hurting RED album?
Post by: Darkwing Duck (The Reincarnation) on August 20, 2011, 09:37:22 AM
its not the worst production on the album. u expected somethin else, cuz O.G. Dre's name was tied wit the credit,, but since it didnt live up to par,, ur brushin it off as "bad/wack" -- hence, "the worst production on the album." if Dre didnt rap on it, or if he wasnt credited as a producer, ud probly like it.
Title: Re: Should we read anything into Dr. Dre's contributions actually hurting RED album?
Post by: bouli77 on August 20, 2011, 09:45:26 AM
as far as i'm concerned dre doesn't increase my expectations, especially these days. in general people tend to overrate tracks if their favorite musicians are involved. truthfully i can't recall dre sounding that bad on a track. as for the khalil productions i think it's annoying but then again it's only my opinion.
Title: Re: Should we read anything into Dr. Dre's contributions actually hurting RED album?
Post by: Dre-Day on August 20, 2011, 10:11:20 AM
Let me start by acknowledging I know Dre didn't explicitly produce Drug Test, but we know he worked on the production the same way he did on Kush, and he added vocals to it, so I'm going to consider this as much Dre's song as Khalil's.

Having said that, the consensus seems to be that Drug Test is one of the worst productions on RED Album, and I'm struggling to remember a previous instance in which that was the case for Dr. Dre.  Can anyone think of a precedent for this, when Dre had what was commonly acknowledged to be one of the worst contributions (i.e. quasi-productions) on an album?

If not, this could be a milestone (in a negative way).  Should we take it as a sign that Dre has fallen off steeply?  I remember back in the day it was anathema to think Dr. Dre's direct contributions to an album would actually hurt the album.  Oh, how the mighty have fallen  :'(

So, should we not overreact to this, or is it a sign of the times in your opinion?  For me, it's empirical evidence that Dr. Dre has fallen off hard, which is sad to be honest with you.  But I just want to know what you think.  And if you give Dre a pass for this embarrassment, why?  You can only have blind faith in something or somebody for so long before you need to acknowledge reality.  Just my 2 cents.  What do you think?
i thought you said he fell off a long time ago.

anyway, dre is not making himself look good with the music since last year
Title: Re: Should we read anything into Dr. Dre's contributions actually hurting RED album?
Post by: EFFeX on August 20, 2011, 10:22:04 AM
I thought the beat was straight. The song itself wasn't anything special though. Definitely not the worst production on the album.
Title: Re: Should we read anything into Dr. Dre's contributions actually hurting RED album?
Post by: Jimmy H. on August 20, 2011, 11:08:41 AM
Gimme a break with that shit! Dre been helping with Khahlil for awhile now and every time the shit is hot, it's all Khalil. When it's wack, fucking Dre did it.

But to put a point on it all, I don't think his contributions hurt the album at all. From a marketing standpoint, he came up under Dr. Dre and can advertise Dre as being part of the project. This is a considerable overall selling point. I didn't personally like the song much on my only listen but public opinion will decide where it goes from here.
Title: Re: Should we read anything into Dr. Dre's contributions actually hurting RED album?
Post by: Matty on August 20, 2011, 11:23:23 AM
i was expecting the final version of that track to be significantly better than the leaked one, at the least. it wasn't. it didn't even sound like it was mixed very interestingly, just a throwaway. pretty bad joint all in all and a real bad look for dre. timbaland has already done club style joints like that and a lot better.
Title: Re: Should we read anything into Dr. Dre's contributions actually hurting RED album?
Post by: Will_B on August 20, 2011, 01:30:38 PM
Was established this was a Detox leftover.

Dre gave Game a rejected track, n just wasn't fussed to do any more to it...
Title: Re: Should we read anything into Dr. Dre's contributions actually hurting RED album?
Post by: TerryMak on August 21, 2011, 11:48:44 AM
back in 96 or 97 Dre produced a track for Nas on (It was Written) called (Nas is coming) and that was average but at least he seemed to produce the whole song. Dre still has talent, and a couple strikes is not bad as long as he hits a grand slam with Detox.
Title: Re: Should we read anything into Dr. Dre's contributions actually hurting RED album?
Post by: Chamillitary Click on August 21, 2011, 12:06:43 PM
There was nothing wrong with the beat for that song. It just sucked.

& to answer your question, no. Game (as you can tell from his features), tried hella hard to be mainstream.
Title: Re: Should we read anything into Dr. Dre's contributions actually hurting RED album?
Post by: Deuce-Deuce on August 21, 2011, 12:47:40 PM
back in 96 or 97 Dre produced a track for Nas on (It was Written) called (Nas is coming) and that was average but at least he seemed to produce the whole song. Dre still has talent, and a couple strikes is not bad as long as he hits a grand slam with Detox.

I like that song, it was on some apocalyptic shit. I always thought that would be from Dre's Helter Skelter.
Title: Re: Should we read anything into Dr. Dre's contributions actually hurting RED album?
Post by: E Dub on August 21, 2011, 01:02:25 PM
the song is nowhere near as bad as you lot are making out?

i actually enjoy it in the car, snoop should have a had a longer verse
Title: Re: Should we read anything into Dr. Dre's contributions actually hurting RED album?
Post by: GangstaBoogy on August 21, 2011, 07:33:52 PM
Game shouldve asked to use the Kush Remix. Not like Dre's still going to release it.
Title: Re: Should we read anything into Dr. Dre's contributions actually hurting RED album?
Post by: Detox Is A Myth!!! on August 22, 2011, 07:14:24 AM
Dre still has talent, and a couple strikes is not bad as long as he hits a grand slam with Detox.

Well, I'm asking what keeps you having blind faith in Dr. Dre?  I think we have empirical evidence of Dre not having that touch anymore, at least not on a consistent basis  I mean, his hits are becoming fewer and farer in between.  Of course he still has talent.  But his consistency in producing hits is really not there any more.  It used to be that every song he worked on was awesome.  Now it's like every fifth song or so is a hit.  And as the years go on, the gap between hits is widening.

As for Game wanting a mainstream sound for RED Album, that's neither here nor there.  Dr. Dre could make a mainstream hit back in the day; he's just increasingly failing to execute what's being asked of him these days.  Anyway, this is the first time I can remember Dre actually hurting an album.  RED would have been better without him.  Can't remember a previous instance in which that was the case.

Title: Re: Should we read anything into Dr. Dre's contributions actually hurting RED album?
Post by: KrazySumwhat on August 22, 2011, 07:59:55 AM
 I think the fact that tha album was so delayed because Game wanted Dre involvement hurt the album. I mean i havent even heard it but all the push backs ans scrapped songs and leaks, etc that i read about probably hurt the album.
Title: Re: Should we read anything into Dr. Dre's contributions actually hurting RED album?
Post by: Fonkarround on August 22, 2011, 08:22:12 AM
213 - Game dont wait , could be the anthem for Dre's music career after 50 cent.
Title: Re: Should we read anything into Dr. Dre's contributions actually hurting RED album?
Post by: jmj540 on August 22, 2011, 09:01:40 AM
Dre ain't fell off. Still not sure if he actually still produces his own stuff but his beats on Relapse was legit and Drug Test was good for what it is.
Title: Re: Should we read anything into Dr. Dre's contributions actually hurting RED album?
Post by: Pgb on August 22, 2011, 01:16:45 PM
Something is missing in the production for sure.
Title: Re: Should we read anything into Dr. Dre's contributions actually hurting RED album?
Post by: hitsaw on August 23, 2011, 08:56:02 AM
i like the song but they should have put some intro on that song.
Title: Re: Should we read anything into Dr. Dre's contributions actually hurting RED album?
Post by: BiggBoogaBiff on August 23, 2011, 10:01:46 PM
i'm still trying to figure out why you're on son's nuts like that.  if he's your favorite rapper/producer then let him be and if not then let him be.  you should really drop that moniker "detox iz a myth" becuz to be quite trill witchu' i think it's pretty pathetic now in 2011, even if you're not one to change a name just 2 change a name it's still a pretty gay name to have.  


you're Dr. Dre's biggest nutryder (in tha bad way) and it's kinda annoying a little bit.  dude dropped skits that weren't any longer than 30 seconds on an overall 22 track album and he dropped a 16 on ONE of those songs, i think it's pretty safe to safe you're reaching and why you're even "reading into it" is dumb and makes u look like u suck dicks on tha side 4 rent money (gotta pay tha rent right?).  


i'm just saying, stop playing yourself.  move on if you really feel this way about Dre, stop acting like it's the 90's and the only thing that makes the world go around is Interscope Records AND Suge Knight.  i hate to be the 1st 1 to say it (honestly) but from what I've gathered these past few years there's niggaz out here that make better music and instrumentals than Dr. Dre and The Aftermath Staff, if it's not better then it's just as good (and that's without my opinion) and even still after all of that I'ma still piss in my bed the night before "Detox" leaks - and yes everybody i will be buying that asap!


maybe you should read into yourself more than you are reading into Game and Dr. Dre.


[i told yall this board was in denial]
Title: Re: Should we read anything into Dr. Dre's contributions actually hurting RED album?
Post by: Matty on August 23, 2011, 10:03:26 PM
what we really need is another fake tracklist to tide us over :laugh:

*looks at radiotube*