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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: BOX5 the best poster on this site yell on August 24, 2011, 04:47:35 AM
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I hear equals speak about this shit like "such and such album sounds to southern or to east coast". It's like muthafuccas feel just because you was born here you just suppose to rock over stereotypical west coast production and have the same damn gangsta concepts and dress code, I find that shit absurd, and it be alot of euro's who say the shit and they themselves never lived it!
If you are from here and lived it, you rock over what you want, cover any thing you want, and it's legit west shit cause you actually muthafuccing experienced it. But that's me keeping it networth, how y'all feel speak on it yell
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That's the thing that's been holding the West Coast back IMO especially on a global scale. Alot of it has to do with 2pac's death. Not that it's his fault directly but his death brought that mentality along i feel.
I think West Coast is finally starting to grow musically as far as the mainstream goes with alot of different sub-genres of music, but i feel like the problem is that the audience won't grown. On one side you have those people who want something "new" and "fresh" from the West but then accept anything from anywhere else, their basically more of pop-fans than anything. Just goes with the wind, doesn't really like real hip-hop shit anyway. But on the other hand you have that stuck in the 90's people who are so narrow minded that they can't like anything if it's popular or new and doesn't remind them of that old Death Row shit.
I listen to 90's music more than anything but i can still be open. I'm not that guy who likes anything that's popular or sells alot but at the same time i'm not a close minded fool either. If i like your joints i fuck with you whether you sell 10 mill or 1 copy.
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To me, it's basically about the close-mindness of people. Some do not grow, they are content when all the same lyrics, sounds and stereotypes are provided so they can remain in their own little microcosmos you know? Like DPG for example... I don't mean to attack them, if I'm in the mood for gangsta rap, I still like bumping dogg pound. But the problem here is typical for the west coast. They tried to go in the mainstream direction at some point, made corny songs and on the other hand tried to do what they always did. But their lyrics haven't changed at all. It's still the same immature way of talking like they'd be 20 years or what. For a great MC like Kurupt is it wouldn't hurt to make statements in songs from time to time. It's not like Too n$hort who always did what he does because it's his thing while everyone knows he is no pimp. But pretend to be a tough street gangsta for 20 years now, I mean why? and that's what happens to a lot of these rappers, there are only a few where this kind of thing still works perfectly like WC for example.
But there is a second problem influencing this. There is this whole bunch of people who claim to literally "own" a certain sound as if they are in the position to tell artists what is what. When I read this bullshit all the time about "this a south beat, this a south clap" bla bla... dudes TR 808 drums exist since the 80's what the fuck?! As soon as an artist tries something new, most people be like they would have been betrayed or something. Every artist should have the right to evolve and develop his music. Me personally, I wouldn't like doing the same music all my life. It's all good as long as you keep your personality. That's what happened to E-40 for example. His music changed through the years, also his flow changed a bit, but he still E-40, he is distingusihed. And people who call his new music southern have simply no idea of what's going on. This modern mob sound evolved out the hyphy movement and is just heavy bass music with techno elements but still with the typical hip-hop beats. The folks in the bay created an own sub-genre with it and Droop-E is one of the ambassadors. Or producers like Young L who put this shit to another level. But the problem with the west and especially this board will always be the close-mindness. I mean there exist tons of great G-Funk albums, but G-Funk ain't the only good genre. If you only like G-Funk then bump the G-Funk records or make your own G-Funk beats. There is also so much G-Funk influenced mnusic every year. But all the hate towards music that is a bit different is not understandable.
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To me, it's basically about the close-mindness of people. Some do not grow, they are content when all the same lyrics, sounds and stereotypes are provided so they can remain in their own little microcosmos you know? Like DPG for example... I don't mean to attack them, if I'm in the mood for gangsta rap, I still like bumping dogg pound. But the problem here is typical for the west coast. They tried to go in the mainstream direction at some point, made corny songs and on the other hand tried to do what they always did. But their lyrics haven't changed at all. It's still the same immature way of talking like they'd be 20 years or what. For a great MC like Kurupt is it wouldn't hurt to make statements in songs from time to time. It's not like Too n$hort who always did what he does because it's his thing while everyone knows he is no pimp. But pretend to be a tough street gangsta for 20 years now, I mean why? and that's what happens to a lot of these rappers, there are only a few where this kind of thing still works perfectly like WC for example.
But there is a second problem influencing this. There is this whole bunch of people who claim to literally "own" a certain sound as if they are in the position to tell artists what is what. When I read this bullshit all the time about "this a south beat, this a south clap" bla bla... dudes TR 808 drums exist since the 80's what the fuck?! As soon as an artist tries something new, most people be like they would have been betrayed or something. Every artist should have the right to evolve and develop his music. Me personally, I wouldn't like doing the same music all my life. It's all good as long as you keep your personality. That's what happened to E-40 for example. His music changed through the years, also his flow changed a bit, but he still E-40, he is distingusihed. And people who call his new music southern have simply no idea of what's going on. This modern mob sound evolved out the hyphy movement and is just heavy bass music with techno elements but still with the typical hip-hop beats. The folks in the bay created an own sub-genre with it and Droop-E is one of the ambassadors. Or producers like Young L who put this shit to another level. But the problem with the west and especially this board will always be the close-mindness. I mean there exist tons of great G-Funk albums, but G-Funk ain't the only good genre. If you only like G-Funk then bump the G-Funk records or make your own G-Funk beats. There is also so much G-Funk influenced mnusic every year. But all the hate towards music that is a bit different is not understandable.
I agree. You got some dudes in here that actually said that Game has an "Eastcoast voice". Not flow, not style but VOICE..smh.
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I hear equals speak about this shit like "such and such album sounds to southern or to east coast". It's like muthafuccas feel just because you was born here you just suppose to rock over stereotypical west coast production and have the same damn gangsta concepts and dress code, I find that shit absurd, and it be alot of euro's who say the shit and they themselves never lived it!
If you are from here and lived it, you rock over what you want, cover any thing you want, and it's legit west shit cause you actually muthafuccing experienced it. But that's me keeping it networth, how y'all feel speak on it yell
Real talk, preach.
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Well being not from America or Europe i'll say that west coast rappers sound betetr over westcoast style of beats as opposed to southern sounding beats etc but more so if they started out like that and then changed.
But me personally i love hip hop i learn towards the westcoast but having said that i love guys like Del who dont do gangsta rap at all
I just think someone like Snoop(who is good at experimenting and trying different sounds) will still always sound better with that old g funk sound. But westcoast rappers that were never like that, the more lyrical ones who tend to be said as more eastcoast sounding, from an outssider point of view i liek them for them, for their style. I like all kinds of hip hop.
I like it when rappers experiment but some rappers just only seem to sound good over a particular style of beat especially when they made such good music that way why change so dramatically? thats why dpg cant win, they cant please everyone.
Aussie rap has its own style but i must admit it tends to be more eastcoast sounding as far as if you were to compare it to American rap. To me most "hip hop heads' tend to be mopre into eastcoast or westcoast rappers that sound eastcoast.
I just think a real album no matter where its from shouldnt copy the south becasue thats whats popular but again from an outsiders view every westcoast rapper has been doing that.
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Well being not from America or Europe i'll say that west coast rappers sound betetr over westcoast style of beats as opposed to southern sounding beats etc but more so if they started out like that and then changed.
But me personally i love hip hop i learn towards the westcoast but having said that i love guys like Del who dont do gangsta rap at all
I just think someone like Snoop(who is good at experimenting and trying different sounds) will still always sound better with that old g funk sound. But westcoast rappers that were never like that, the more lyrical ones who tend to be said as more eastcoast sounding, from an outssider point of view i liek them for them, for their style. I like all kinds of hip hop.
I like it when rappers experiment but some rappers just only seem to sound good over a particular style of beat especially when they made such good music that way why change so dramatically? thats why dpg cant win, they cant please everyone.
Aussie rap has its own style but i must admit it tends to be more eastcoast sounding as far as if you were to compare it to American rap. To me most "hip hop heads' tend to be mopre into eastcoast or westcoast rappers that sound eastcoast.
I just think a real album no matter where its from shouldnt copy the south becasue thats whats popular but again from an outsiders view every westcoast rapper has been doing that.
But Snoop has made dope albums without G-Funk too (No Limit Top Dogg, Last Meal, Blue Carpet Treatment). G-Funk is outdated, it worked well for the time and the music they released is classic but i just think alot of people wanna be reminded of that old school era which is why they want G-Funk or they wanna be apart of that era cuz maybe they were too young when G-Funk was poppin. It wasn't JUST the particular G-Funk sound that made Doggystyle, Chronic etc it was also the lyrics, the hooks and just the overall production that people like Dre did. It ain't like G-Funk is a magic stick that makes everything dope and that's what alot of people don't understand.
Also Snoop's flow, style and voice has changed over the years so it's not like G-Funk would automatically make it dope again.
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I agree. You got some dudes in here that actually said that Game has an "Eastcoast voice". Not flow, not style but VOICE..smh.
lmao, for real? ridicolous...
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Well being not from America or Europe i'll say that west coast rappers sound betetr over westcoast style of beats as opposed to southern sounding beats etc but more so if they started out like that and then changed.
But me personally i love hip hop i learn towards the westcoast but having said that i love guys like Del who dont do gangsta rap at all
I just think someone like Snoop(who is good at experimenting and trying different sounds) will still always sound better with that old g funk sound. But westcoast rappers that were never like that, the more lyrical ones who tend to be said as more eastcoast sounding, from an outssider point of view i liek them for them, for their style. I like all kinds of hip hop.
I like it when rappers experiment but some rappers just only seem to sound good over a particular style of beat especially when they made such good music that way why change so dramatically? thats why dpg cant win, they cant please everyone.
Aussie rap has its own style but i must admit it tends to be more eastcoast sounding as far as if you were to compare it to American rap. To me most "hip hop heads' tend to be mopre into eastcoast or westcoast rappers that sound eastcoast.
I just think a real album no matter where its from shouldnt copy the south becasue thats whats popular but again from an outsiders view every westcoast rapper has been doing that.
But Snoop has made dope albums without G-Funk too (No Limit Top Dogg, Last Meal, Blue Carpet Treatment). G-Funk is outdated, it worked well for the time and the music they released is classic but i just think alot of people wanna be reminded of that old school era which is why they want G-Funk or they wanna be apart of that era cuz maybe they were too young when G-Funk was poppin. It wasn't JUST the particular G-Funk sound that made Doggystyle, Chronic etc it was also the lyrics, the hooks and just the overall production that people like Dre did. It ain't like G-Funk is a magic stick that makes everything dope and that's what alot of people don't understand.
Also Snoop's flow, style and voice has changed over the years so it's not like G-Funk would automatically make it dope again.
Well i consider songs on all three of those albums that you mentioned as g-funk. I know what your saying though and for the record i was lucky enough to been a teenager throughout the 90's i was like 12-13 when The chronic came out so i did indeed liver through the g funk era and when east coast had just as much dope as fuck hip hop.
I still buy east coast stuff like Kool G rap and Wu and Sadat X, etc and they still sound eastcoast( or just how they sound) i dont hear them using South beats but maybe they have guys that do that also, dunno?
Kendrilk lamar , i bought his album, didnt sound west, didnt sound south, didnt sound east. Just his own style. I guess that would be considered a "real westcoast album" then?
But at the same token as already kinda mentioned, someone like Daz still sounds like the 90's so is that more real then?
I think its just an opinion. Some say its "real" others "out dated".
All i know know is heaps of good westcoast albums been comin out.
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Well being not from America or Europe i'll say that west coast rappers sound betetr over westcoast style of beats as opposed to southern sounding beats etc but more so if they started out like that and then changed.
But me personally i love hip hop i learn towards the westcoast but having said that i love guys like Del who dont do gangsta rap at all
I just think someone like Snoop(who is good at experimenting and trying different sounds) will still always sound better with that old g funk sound. But westcoast rappers that were never like that, the more lyrical ones who tend to be said as more eastcoast sounding, from an outssider point of view i liek them for them, for their style. I like all kinds of hip hop.
I like it when rappers experiment but some rappers just only seem to sound good over a particular style of beat especially when they made such good music that way why change so dramatically? thats why dpg cant win, they cant please everyone.
Aussie rap has its own style but i must admit it tends to be more eastcoast sounding as far as if you were to compare it to American rap. To me most "hip hop heads' tend to be mopre into eastcoast or westcoast rappers that sound eastcoast.
I just think a real album no matter where its from shouldnt copy the south becasue thats whats popular but again from an outsiders view every westcoast rapper has been doing that.
But Snoop has made dope albums without G-Funk too (No Limit Top Dogg, Last Meal, Blue Carpet Treatment). G-Funk is outdated, it worked well for the time and the music they released is classic but i just think alot of people wanna be reminded of that old school era which is why they want G-Funk or they wanna be apart of that era cuz maybe they were too young when G-Funk was poppin. It wasn't JUST the particular G-Funk sound that made Doggystyle, Chronic etc it was also the lyrics, the hooks and just the overall production that people like Dre did. It ain't like G-Funk is a magic stick that makes everything dope and that's what alot of people don't understand.
Also Snoop's flow, style and voice has changed over the years so it's not like G-Funk would automatically make it dope again.
Well i consider songs on all three of those albums that you mentioned as g-funk. I know what your saying though and for the record i was lucky enough to been a teenager throughout the 90's i was like 12-13 when The chronic came out so i did indeed liver through the g funk era and when east coast had just as much dope as fuck hip hop.
I still buy east coast stuff like Kool G rap and Wu and Sadat X, etc and they still sound eastcoast( or just how they sound) i dont hear them using South beats but maybe they have guys that do that also, dunno?
Kendrilk lamar , i bought his album, didnt sound west, didnt sound south, didnt sound east. Just his own style. I guess that would be considered a "real westcoast album" then?
But at the same token as already kinda mentioned, someone like Daz still sounds like the 90's so is that more real then?
I think its just an opinion. Some say its "real" others "out dated".
All i know know is heaps of good westcoast albums been comin out.
Maybe so but i meant the overall sound wasn't really G-Funk ala Doggystyle on those albums IMO.
I get your point but i'm trying to look at the bigger picture, it's cool to like what you like and have your opinon only problem is that alot of people expect every artist on the West to fit that mold or else they think it's wack or garbage. Daz might sound 90's to some but how do people not see that as a negative? You have to improve as an artist and as an MC the fact that he might sound 90's when it's 2011 is sad and is probably why he never really blew up as a solo artist. But don't get me wrong it's not like i wanna see an artist like Daz do an album with every popular artist just because they're hot, all i'm saying is Daz turns 40 in 2013, and the fact that he hasn't improved is bad.
But look at Kendrick there's still alot of people who don't fuck with him, some for natural reasons and others just because he's something different from what they're accustomed to. Instead of just appreciating him for him and the others for them (whether it's Daz, Warren G, Snoop or whoever). The fact is alot of people still want that old G-Funk, lowrider, 40's, khakis and chucks shit and when someone doesn't fit that mold they're considered wack to people who still stuck in the 90's.
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Speaking of Kendrick Lamar, he's a trending topic on Twitter WITHOUT doing G-funk music too :laugh:
Like i said on a bigger scale that's what's been holding the West back together with the constant beefs.
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You got some dudes in here that actually said that Game has an "Eastcoast voice". Not flow, not style but VOICE..smh.
You also got some dudes in here who don't read posts fully but just skim through them. Because if you would have read my complete post, you would have clearly seen me say that what I meant by "Eastcoast voice" is that Game's tenor (i.e. the gruff sound of his voice) is more suited for Eastcoast production than Westcoast. I did NOT define "Eastcoast voice" as "a voice that sounds like it belongs to someone raised on the Eastcoast" which is what you're trying to present my comment as meaning -- Please stop taking things out of context. ::)
Now, some will probably moan about the distinction between "Eastcoast production" and "Westcoast production," and that's ok, I guess. But that's a separate topic from whether Game's voice sounds right over Westcoast production.
As for me, my favorite type of production is G-Funk, and despite what some of you guys are writing in here, very few G-Funk albums are released these days. In fact, most of them come out of Europe nowadays. They are hard to find. The problem at hand is not that G-Funk fans like myself are holding the West bacc; it's that the rap industry as a whole is just like any other entertainment industry -- they leech off each other. Thus, whatever is popular at the moment is what the rest of the industry diccrides as far as an industry-wide sound goes.
What really needs to happen is for there to be flourishing and healthy sub-genres of rap such that all of them can co-exist peacefully. But it's like, if soul-based rap is on top at the moment, then nobody does boom bap or G-Funk or South, etc. Or if the South is hot at the moment, nobody does soul, etc. Why can't all the sub-genres exist at the same time? Furthermore, everybody worldwide should be allowed to make all of those sounds -- it shouldn't necessarily be regionalized, so that if the East wants to make G-Funk, then cool, and if the West wants to do boom bap, then that's cool, too. Just as long as all those kinds of sub-genres exist. But the problem is the industry is all about leeching off of whatever's hot at the moment at the expense of the other sub-genres that are not hot. THAT's the problem, that all sub-genres aren't given the breathing room to co-exist. I mean, right now, people in here are petitioning the West not to do G-Funk anymore because they say the fans shouldn't be stuck in the 90s. But why can't we G-Funk fans stay in our lane while you guys stay in your lane and everybody co-exist peacefully? I wouldn't care that the New West doesn't do G-Funk just as long as the artists who do make G-Funk are given the breathing room to do so. Personally, who's to say that if I'm stuck in the 90s, then you're not stuck in the 2010s? What's so bad about people like Daz and Quik still doing their quasi-gfunk sounds? I just wish they were given bigger budgets to make more fleshed out albums, but not at the expense of any other non-gfunk artists. My beef is with people who want the West to move on and stop making G-Funk. By and large, the West stopped doing G-Funk in 98 and did move on. I have no problem with Kendrick et. al. not doing G-Funk -- you guys are allowed to be fans of those artists and support them, etc. What you like doesn't and shouldn't effect me -- I simply don't post in Kendrick threads because he doesn't make the music I like, but I respect your ability to support him, etc. You got your lane while I have mine. But you don't feel the same way -- you want guys like Kendrick to become successful AT THE EXPENSE of G-funk, which isn't right. You want your lane to be successful and in addition you want to take me out of my lane. Just let me do me, and I will let you do you, and all the sub-genres of rap should be able to co-exist peacefully like that.
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^ no need for your emotional essays trying to explain yourself. What you said is still a joke.
What's funny is that rap fans in Cali don't even have the same perception of a "west coast" sound as the euros do here. Almost all of us bump current music. We aren't stuck in the 90s and we don't associate a west coast sound as having to do with G Funk. That was 15 years ago people. It's not even the west coast sound to people in Cali, so it shouldn't be to you either.
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^ no need for your emotional essays trying to explain yourself. What you said is still a joke.
What's funny is that rap fans in Cali don't even have the same perception of a "west coast" sound as the euros do here. Almost all of us bump current music. We aren't stuck in the 90s and we don't associate a west coast sound as having to do with G Funk. That was 15 years ago people. It's not even the west coast sound to people in Cali, so it shouldn't be to you either.
110% networth my equal, and I never get why so called I only listen to west coast music act like the music from out here just started with g funk, when will y'all give electro music it's props. Equals will shit on a joint like fergalicious but that was the west coast sound back in the 80's! When bang loose from watts did a couple joints like that I seen some equals say he was selling out when really he was rep'n the west " original" roots.
again how come fans can't accept the fact maybe artist like the south production they spit over, I dig some g funk like others, it just wasn't my favorite, it just happen to blow up more so then other sounds out here, but while it was cracking we had artist like freestlye fellowship, madkap etc doing they thang as well.the west has always been the most diverse coast, but you equals who claim to hate mainstream so much sure follow what their ideal of what west coast rap/hip hop should be about and sound, and their reason for that was simply money! So what does that make y'all? I never been one of those followers, I fuck with what I like not because some other muthafuccas say this is howhat it is and how a west coast album should sound. Yell
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To short it down - everybody got his own idea of a west coast sound, its completly personal. The things is kind of diffrent when you actually live there, but still you're never everywhere, so you create the image of it in your mind.
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If it ain't MC New York, it ain't West Coast. It's as simple as that.
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Well to me westcoast sound wasnt just g funk it was also the bay area sound and i grew up with ice t an nwa, etc but i honestly thought aot of south sounded more west but now alot of west soundin south.
But having said that i remember most south rappers at one point being all fast rappers and dark style rappers i dont remember south always being crunk i mean ghetto boyz then all taht three six mafia type sound.
West you had g funk but also all that funky bay stuff. And was always dudes like souls of mischief etc.
Cant lie though i love when dpg do the old school sound and i miss the days of the 90's.
I love raskass ans shit though an del. And xzibit was dope before he did gangsta rap.
I like what i like i love Brotha lynch not g funk. etc.
too many drinks an too late cant think straight anyways.
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Euros have no credibility to to say what westcoast music is when they dont live here and can't relate to the cali lifestyle. Yall know about The Cali lifestyle through music, videos and basically the internet. I hate how euros gotta through their two cents on what real westcoast rap is. go fuckin listen to some music from your region, french rap, UK rap. whatever! If your a true westcoast fan, then support all westcoast artist reguardless if they aint all that or what not. Quit comparing them to snoop, dre, 2pac or Qube. if you want westcoast rap to be in the forefront then get behind all weastcoast artist. only artist that get love here is if they affilated or get a co-sign from Dre or snoop. fuck that.
I respect you euros who have love for the westcoast music and are behind the movement. But fuck you euros hating on anything new and critiquing the shit out artist music cuz it don't sound like 90's westcoast rap.
fuck you haters always got something negative to say about new albums that drop and it dont compare to past albums. at least we getting some new music and thats exposure for the westcoast.
If you truly love the westcoast, then support it! everybody from the west.
1 cali love! From Whittier.
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I agree with 187, if you gonna claim love for west coast hiphop/rap rep it all (of course it's gonna be some artist you don't braille) but know that dub covers all yell
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Euros have no credibility to to say what westcoast music is when they dont live here and cant relate to the cali lifestyle. Yall know about The Cali lifestyle through music, videos and basically the internet. I hate how euros gotta through their two cents on what real westcoast rap is. go fuckin listen to some music from your region, french rap, UK rap. whatever! If your a true westcoast fan, then support all westcoast artist reguardless if they aint all that or what not. Quit comparing them to snoop, dre,2pac,Qube. if you want westcoast rap to be in the forefront then get behind all weastcoast artist. only artist that get love here is if they affilated or get a co-sign from Dre or snoop. fuck that.
i respect you euros who have love for the westcoast music and are behind the movement. but fuck you euros hating on anthing new and critiquing the shit out artist music cuz it dont sound like 90's westcoast rap.
fuck you haters always got something negative to say about new albums that drop and it dont compare to past albums. at least we getting some new music and thats exposure for the westcoast.
if you truly love the westcoast, then support it! everybody from the west.
1 cali love! From Whittier.
This.