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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: BOX5 the best poster on this site yell on September 07, 2011, 12:19:43 PM
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I'm asking cause I heard equals clowning the legendary snoop for not pushing 100k first week (fucc first week by the way], yet its been other joints that dropped that have sold less and yet nobody says shit. And if its about being positive let's be That way with everybody out here.
Yell
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I'm asking cause I heard equals clowning the legendary snoop for not pushing 100k first week (fucc first week by the way], yet its been other joints that dropped that have sold less and yet nobody says shit. And if its about being positive let's be That way with everybody out here.
Yell
In Snoop's case, when an established artist has a following and corporate entities pushing his material and he doesn't sell that would be a flop. Or with Game, when you fabricate album sales figures, drop 74 "lead" singles, and still can't push the units you claim, that'd be a flop.
As far as the other joints, not sure which you're referring to.
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Most people here are calling everything a flop...but not supporting the releases either.
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I've been waiting on this thread for a long time
the simple answer is this: there is no such thing as a flop anymore since nobody sells records, especially if you are a newer artist
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I've been waiting on this thread for a long time
the simple answer is this: there is no such thing as a flop anymore since nobody sells records, especially if you are a newer artist
Exactly. Pitbull I think has sold under 200,000 copies of his last album yet you can't escape his songs on the radio, in clubs, etc. Same with LMFAO.
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I'm saying albums like quik or say a glasses. Quik is an established name who sold some records and glasses is with cash money but no one is on they head like snoop and game. Me personally I say fucc sales its about how good the album is to me. Others say it to yet still shit on the snoops of the world, I mean he's not as big as he was in the past and neither is quik yet people judge snoop on his sales more then the actual album
yell
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I may be wrong but Snoop didn't get any 'real' promo done for his album (here in the UK anyways).
Only leaks, tweets n youtubes etc.
A major celeb artist like Snoops missing out by not getting that shit on big ass posters and TV ads..only geeks are checking for his shit.
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I've been waiting on this thread for a long time
the simple answer is this: there is no such thing as a flop anymore since nobody sells records, especially if you are a newer artist
Exactly. Pitbull I think has sold under 200,000 copies of his last album yet you can't escape his songs on the radio, in clubs, etc. Same with LMFAO.
You got to judge pit and Lmfao different because they sale plat ring tones and they are marketed as that so they are providing their labels with something in their 269 deals. Yell
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'Give Me Everything Toight' is one of the few commercial tracks I liked this year..
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it's all about the quality of the music to me ... as long as the independant (and mainstream) artists push enough units to keep releasing music in good conditions , it's fine for me (obviously not for them) ... keep in mind the cost of the album , selling 20 000 for an independant artist might be enough to break even while doing 200-300k might be terrible for a big artist in some cases (whether his claims are true or not , I remember Kanye was saying he needed to sell 2.6 millions of copies of Late Registration to break even)
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if ur coming up under the biggest ranked rap-superstars of all time, n cant hold ur own wit ur career or music
Outlawz (2pac) -- fail
d12 (eminem) - fail
lil cease, junior mafia (biggie) - fail
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I may be wrong but Snoop didn't get any 'real' promo done for his album (here in the UK anyways).
Only leaks, tweets n youtubes etc.
A major celeb artist like Snoops missing out by not getting that shit on big ass posters and TV ads..only geeks are checking for his shit.
You right I got the snoop joint but the only Shit I heard about snoop at the time was he was performing at prince William party or some shit like that.
Then other artist I think Stay in mixtape mode to much and don't promote they album hard enough. Game had more people talking about uncle Otis then pot of gold which is on his networth album. Your pub you get from mainstream interviews especially should mainly focus on your paying product (good/controversial). Bottom line rappers should not have mixtapes so close to album releases or shouldn't have one come out shortly after, fans get use to getting yo shit for free and when one drops shortly after it looks like you're trying to make up for a bad album,especially on the coast. Got to keep promoting they networth albums is key yell
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Cee-Lo actually dropped a mixtape ahead of the last album and did a load of interviews sayin it was better material than on his album.
Hype I guess, to get the downloads and rack up more fans..
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'Give Me Everything Toight' is one of the few commercial tracks I liked this year..
I liked the T-Pain one better personally. When I was in Vegas all I seemed to hear was "Give Me Everything" and LMFAO in the clubs. Tao I really liked since they mixed in some more hip-hop there.
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BEP last album compared to their previous one which sold like 3 million in the US
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I've been waiting on this thread for a long time
the simple answer is this: there is no such thing as a flop anymore since nobody sells records, especially if you are a newer artist
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It 's a flop if they dont play it on cable tv......and on the radio cause that is what generates record sales......and also it is a flop if major retailers dont stock it in there shelves all over the store......last week i was at target....and a certain rap artists tapes were on every aisle as you were going to checkout......so if they dont do all that then it is a flop....
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It's about money spent versus money earned. I think a lot of people just look at the numbers and don't factor in anything beyond that. Like a #1 album is cool but if it drops off the charts in a couple months, it's not the same as say an album that stays the course longer and ends up selling more in the long run.
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^networth yell
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in snoop case its simple, if his lead single is not a success it dont generate any sales and none of his singles in USA have peaked any good.
on another note he had more success in europe this with this Sweat David cuetta remix.. not that i like it but still it counts..
Another problem is he is realeasing albums every year, if he used more time on the albums it will also generate more sales..
well and his style, he is trying to do so many weird music styles. But what people realy wants is his gangsta side of him.
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G Malone & Mack 10 album flopped
G Malone solo album flopped
Mack 10 last album flopped
Considering all of these are on decent indie labels.
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^^^exactly^^^
niggaz iz just makin excuses for their favorite rapper of tha day (Glasses Malone). i fuck wit G' but god damn this boy flopped, he flopped harder than a whale dropping from a 70000 feet high in tha sky plane on some geronimo shit. he could've sold more out tha back of his trunk in tha amount of time.
i hope he still does his thing but clearly this is like the flop of the century right here. it makes me scared for Nipsey, even though Nip doesn't really wanna be taken as serious when it comes to wanting to be a rapper.
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i fuck wit G' but god damn this boy flopped, he flopped harder than a whale dropping from a 70000 feet high in tha sky plane on some geronimo shit.
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^^^exactly^^^
niggaz iz just makin excuses for their favorite rapper of tha day (Glasses Malone). i fuck wit G' but god damn this boy flopped, he flopped harder than a whale dropping from a 70000 feet high in tha sky plane on some geronimo shit. he could've sold more out tha back of his trunk in tha amount of time.
i hope he still does his thing but clearly this is like the flop of the century right here. it makes me scared for Nipsey, even though Nip doesn't really wanna be taken as serious when it comes to wanting to be a rapper.
^^^and this is a shoot ladies and gents yell
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It all depends on the expectations, kendrick was a success as hes completely independent and dropped a street album with no major single. Malone originally signed a 1.5 million dollar deal and he's on one of the biggest labels in the game, expectations should of been a lot higher for him
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It all depends on the expectations, kendrick was a success as hes completely independent and dropped a street album with no major single. Malone originally signed a 1.5 million dollar deal and he's on one of the biggest labels in the game, expectations should of been a lot higher for him
That contract was in 2005 though, he was released from that label a long time ago.
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Major label, major promotion and poor sales thats a flop. But you cant judge it against ten years ago when everyone was selling good numbers.
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So long as real rap music is black balled from mainstream radio, our favourite artists will be eating lean yell.
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^what is "real rap music"? :eh:
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^what is "real rap music"? :eh:
Anything that doesn't conform to industry/commercial radio guidelines.
Rappers are compromising their freedom of expression as artists to get radio play.
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^what is "real rap music"? :eh:
Rappers are compromising their freedom of expression
is that why 99% of all the rappers are rappin about violence, luxury and sex?
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^what is "real rap music"? :eh:
Rappers are compromising their freedom of expression
is that why 99% of all the rappers are rappin about violence, luxury and sex?
Yeah they're rappin low brow lyrics bout luxury American brand names, clubs, violence against each other, being in the v.i.p (LMFAO), weed, alcohol and sex...
Instead of some of the above AND black power/equality, african roots, freedom of speech, individuality and unity.
And dudes who are happy to call another black guy a 'skinny jeans faggot' coz he doesn't conform to the code....nah fuck individuality...who thought that was a good idea? :laugh:
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^what is "real rap music"? :eh:
Rappers are compromising their freedom of expression
is that why 99% of all the rappers are rappin about violence, luxury and sex?
Yeah they're rappin low brow lyrics bout luxury American brand names, clubs, violence against each other, being in the v.i.p (LMFAO), weed, alcohol and sex...
Instead of some of the above AND black power/equality, african roots, freedom of speech, individuality and unity.
And dudes who are happy to call another black guy a 'skinny jeans faggot' coz he doesn't conform to the code....nah fuck individuality...who thought that was a good idea? :laugh:
na, i c what ur sayin, Willie.
but i disagree,
the "real hiphop"-nusiance is just some hipster-mentality. hiphop is an evolvin music-genre, n its evolves just like rock every 4 or 5 yrs
and the acfrocentricity-crap isnt worth a penny IMO.
bitter 60's-babies like Erykah Badu and KRS-one can't tell me what hiphop is and/or "should be", n neither can anybody else. "hiphop" is what it is today, its up to the consumer if he/she wants to listen to hiphop today or not
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What I'm sayin is radio shit = fluff however you look at it yell.
Would you call Public Enemy bitter 60's babies?
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dont even kno what fluff is
(http://grandthestore.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/fluff.jpg)
neither Chuck D or Flav have complained about hiphpo of today.. so i dont think they r bitter
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It's tough to tell because the sales seem to keep going down, so what was bad a few years back is good now...
and it keeps readjusting, so who knows.
I don't know how the industry is still going, seeing as they used to consider 500,000 a flop back in the day,
and now only like 3-4 people in the record biz can sell that much.
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I call something a flop if it underperforms expectations. I don't think anyone expects these indie rappers to do good numbers. But Game or Snoop releasing on a major label and having their songs pushed are supposed to do well. Definitely someone like Game who goes around bragging about how his album is going to sell is putting himself out there for criticism when it doesn't.
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I kind of like where you're going with this, Madsen. It kind of lands on a similar point to something I was trying to touch on. The content of the music has always kind of been the same. It's just the method of production has switched up a little bit.
People kind of give Jay crap for admitting how he dumbed down the presentation of his content but how far removed is that from Pac advising artists to rhyme for women instead of men because females are the more commercial demographic? We sort of look back at the 90's through rose-colored glasses but the fact was the more popular "gangsta rap" acts (namely Death Row) adopted a very commerical sound. Dre spoke on this in one special, saying how even though the content is abrassive, the production sounds as polished as a Michael Jackson record. This is in itself, basically admitting that the music needs to sound a certain way to be accepted by the masses. If you listen to "Ready To Die", the more rugged records take a backseat to the more R&B-sounding singles in "Juicy" and "Big Poppa". And it's true of a lot of artists. Nas was having Lauryn Hill harmonize on his single. Even the socially-consience artists needed to have that kind of sugar-sweet balance for it to appeal. There was always a formula.
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damn. the truth.
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I kind of like where you're going with this, Madsen. It kind of lands on a similar point to something I was trying to touch on. The content of the music has always kind of been the same. It's just the method of production has switched up a little bit.
People kind of give Jay crap for admitting how he dumbed down the presentation of his content but how far removed is that from Pac advising artists to rhyme for women instead of men because females are the more commercial demographic? We sort of look back at the 90's through rose-colored glasses but the fact was the more popular "gangsta rap" acts (namely Death Row) adopted a very commerical sound. Dre spoke on this in one special, saying how even though the content is abrassive, the production sounds as polished as a Michael Jackson record. This is in itself, basically admitting that the music needs to sound a certain way to be accepted by the masses. If you listen to "Ready To Die", the more rugged records take a backseat to the more R&B-sounding singles in "Juicy" and "Big Poppa". And it's true of a lot of artists. Nas was having Lauryn Hill harmonize on his single. Even the socially-consience artists needed to have that kind of sugar-sweet balance for it to appeal. There was always a formula.
This is what I was getting at when I called Dre's music pop before. He's always made a mainstream-oriented sound.
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To me an album is a flop depending on the marketing effort you put into it.. if you only used Youtube, Ustream, FaceBook & Twitter for promo and Pushing like 100k first week. then its not really flopping.
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To me an album is a flop depending on the marketing effort you put into it.. if you only used Youtube, Ustream, FaceBook & Twitter for promo and Pushing like 100k first week. then its not really flopping.
True. I brought this up in the case of Jay Rock, who people felt bombed. But a lot of it comes down to different aspects. Indy music often adopts a different marketing plan altogether. Music we tend to all group together but for instance, Jay-Z and Kanye's project went through different channels in order to insure that so if that album had underperformed, you could definitely call it a brick.