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Title: Reasonable Doubt or Illmatic ?
Post by: Tha Crip on September 17, 2011, 01:01:55 PM
I personally gotta go with Jay's, as much as people hail Nas's first album as one of the best rap albums ever.... i just couldnt get into it like others did, jay'z album i can listen to the first 10 songs straight without skipping a track (i cant do that with illmatic lol)
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Post by: teecee on September 17, 2011, 01:07:50 PM
Nas album more boom bap, much grittier, no sung hooks, none of that.   Jay's was much more commercial but still had some str8 hiphop joints as well.


I remember getting Illmatic as one of my free cds from COlumbia House.  At the time I was really only into DPG/Deathrow shit, and i played it a few times and thought it sucked.  A few months later, I saw the One Love video, threw the cd back on, and  BAM!  that cd hit me like no other.  I can still see how others don't feel it, but to me it really is one of the best hip hop albums ever.  RD was nothing new, just Jay doing what everyone else at thje time was doing, which was that mafioso, druglord type shit.  I liked RD, but everyone who was around at that time didn't really feel it like THAT, and didn't until Hard Knock Life. 

ILLMATIC by far.  Give it some time, its a grower, it has a lot of depth, and its NAS, premo, Pete Rock, etc at their very best.
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Post by: NotoriousTDA on September 17, 2011, 01:13:10 PM
jigga takes it.
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Post by: BakinSodaFree on September 17, 2011, 01:25:16 PM


ILLMATIC by far.  Give it some time, its a grower, it has a lot of depth, and its NAS, premo, Pete Rock, etc at their very best.
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Post by: KURUPTION-81 on September 17, 2011, 02:18:07 PM
Illmatic easily, great from start to finish.
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Post by: 13th Duke on September 17, 2011, 02:23:55 PM
I've lived with both albums for 15 years, and Nas' is far superior. Better production throughout, lyrically superior (Jay-Z's lyrical prowess was always there but I don't think he hit his peak until a few albums into his career) and more cohesive as a unit.

Illmatic easily.

I'd say looking at both of their careers, Jay-Z does actually have the better entire album discography, but Illmatic is better than any album either Nas or Jay-Z have done in my humble opinion.
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Post by: No Compute on September 17, 2011, 03:09:42 PM
Illmatic easily. Reasonable Doubt always struck me as one of the weakest albums to have that undeniable classic status, great album but it does not contend with the upper echelon of classic albums of which Illmatic is possibly the greatest.
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Post by: PLANT on September 17, 2011, 03:19:05 PM
Illmatic without a doubt.
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Post by: BOX5 the best poster on this site yell on September 17, 2011, 03:44:12 PM
Equals overrate illmatic since the source championed it's cause to make it compete with doggystyle one time for yo mind is wacc by the way Yell
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Post by: es-jay on September 17, 2011, 03:59:42 PM
Illmatic. no doubt in my mind.
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Post by: Chamillitary Click on September 17, 2011, 04:15:18 PM
Illmatic could be the greatest album of all time.
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Post by: J-FUNKTION on September 17, 2011, 04:19:36 PM
reasonable doubt...

i never could get into illmatic...wasnt feelin the production....i even tried a few weeks ago listening to it again and once again i couldnt get into it...

once thing i noticed years ago, is that the east coast took a longer time to transition into the "new era" of production...even my homies who are mainly east coast listeners fully agree that the east for the most part took their time evolving....you had shit out like the chronic in 92 which changed the game drastically...and doggystyle in 93....yet cats from NY in 94 and 95 still had beats that sounded like they were from 91...
Title: Re: Reasonable Doubt or Illmatic ?
Post by: Tha Crip on September 17, 2011, 04:21:15 PM
lol well ill check illmatic again, maybe theres something im missing there  8)
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Post by: OG Jaydc on September 17, 2011, 05:52:01 PM
Illmatic and it's not even close. Illmatics been called a classic since it's release, nobody called rd classic until jay z started telling everyone it was
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Post by: Elkoizm on September 17, 2011, 08:30:29 PM
Illmatic could be the greatest album of all time.
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Post by: dubsmith_nz on September 17, 2011, 09:21:24 PM
Both certified Classics, but I gotta go with Illmatic, don't even have to think about it. Although I'd take Blueprint over Stillmatic if it's any consolation.
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Post by: goRaiders on September 17, 2011, 10:23:42 PM


i never could get into illmatic...wasnt feelin the production....i even tried a few weeks ago listening to it again and once again i couldnt get into it...


u crazy white boy
Title: Re: Reasonable Doubt or Illmatic ?
Post by: Triple OG Rapsodie on September 17, 2011, 10:49:27 PM
illmatic by far. I grew up listening to the mainstream west coast sound, so I didn't really like that album when I was a kid, back when my music tastes revolved around whatever the radio fed me. But once I started really getting into hip hop it became one of my favorite albums of all time. It's a different kind of production than you G Funk heads are used to. It's kinda similar to how kids these days probably wouldn't get what's so great about the Chronic. But once you get into it....oooweee. It's got outstanding production, just sounds quite different than the 90s Death Row sound.
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Post by: K.Dub on September 17, 2011, 11:17:28 PM
Ill to the matic for sure.
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Post by: HighEyeCue on September 18, 2011, 06:39:31 AM
Illmatic easily. Personally I like Jay's 2nd album more than his first.
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Post by: bouli77 on September 18, 2011, 05:18:37 PM
illmatic no doubt. there's something about this album. the production, the lyrics, the vibe, it oozes sincerity. something RD is lacking.
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Post by: Raphael on September 19, 2011, 11:13:02 AM
Retarded question i think everyone including Jay-Z would say Illmatic.
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Post by: Furor Teutonicus on September 19, 2011, 11:49:31 AM
Illmatic
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Post by: Okka on September 19, 2011, 11:50:08 AM
Fuck Jay-Z.
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Post by: Lunatic on September 19, 2011, 01:27:30 PM
Illmatic but not by a whole lot, I love both albums
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Post by: Sccit on September 19, 2011, 05:09:11 PM
LOL@the 6 votes for reasonable doubt
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Post by: TraceOneInfinite Flat Earther 96' on September 19, 2011, 05:37:39 PM

I remember getting Illmatic as one of my free cds from COlumbia House.  At the time I was really only into DPG/Deathrow shit, and i played it a few times and thought it sucked.  A few months later, I saw the One Love video, threw the cd back on, and  BAM!  that cd hit me like no other.  I can still see how others don't feel it, but to me it really is one of the best hip hop albums ever.  RD was nothing new, just Jay doing what everyone else at thje time was doing, which was that mafioso, druglord type shit.  I liked RD, but everyone who was around at that time didn't really feel it like THAT, and didn't until Hard Knock Life. 

ILLMATIC by far.  Give it some time, its a grower, it has a lot of depth, and its NAS, premo, Pete Rock, etc at their very best.

Your right, it was pretty much the same for me only a few years later.

I was into all the DPG/Death Row shit when Illmatic came out it actually fell below the radar for me.  I don't even remember hearing the tracks or seeing the video's back when it came out.  Then "If I Ruled The World" was a mega-hit and one of my top 10 tracks of all time.  Yet still, when I would hear Nas on his It Was Written album and The Firm album, I wasn't really feeling the mafioso thing.  Then he dropped his bricks with I Am and Nastradaumus. 

Yet, I kept hearing and reading over and over again about Nas first album being a classic.  So finally I got it in 99' just to see what all the hype was about.  The only track I was feeling initially was "Half-time".   The shit sounded too simple and I wasn't big enough into lyrics at the time to really get the complex lyricism. 

But being a fan of Eminem and rappers out of Detroit I started to get more into the lyrics.  My brother was going to school out in New York.  So on the plane ride I thought I'd listen to "New York State of Mind".  That's when that shit finally hit me.  And Nas has been 2nd favorite rapper ever since.   
Title: Re: Reasonable Doubt or Illmatic ?
Post by: Triple OG Rapsodie on September 19, 2011, 05:41:36 PM
This thread is blasphemy in Brian's eyes
Title: Re: Reasonable Doubt or Illmatic ?
Post by: OG Jaydc on September 19, 2011, 06:11:29 PM
Looking in the mirror and seeing he has white skin is blasphemy in his eyes