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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: OG Filthy Wimp on September 30, 2011, 07:51:21 AM
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http://community.allhiphop.com/showthread.php?310360-Do-you-consider-Jay-Z-up-there-with-legends-like-E-40
NY niggaz is booty
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E-40 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jigga
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E-40 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jigga
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fuck jigga 40 water til the end....fuck yall haters..."dick suckin lips" as nas would say...
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E-40 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jigga
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I find it a lot easier to listen to Jay
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I find it a lot easier to listen to Jay
...and you wear boston celtic jersey's. your opinion is irrelevant.
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I find it a lot easier to listen to Jay
the easier listen is not necessarily the better one ;)
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http://community.allhiphop.com/showthread.php?310360-Do-you-consider-Jay-Z-up-there-with-legends-like-E-40
NY niggaz is booty
they opinion... what u tellin 4...
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oh fucking please.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJfF3IH3IPI
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Jay over 40 anyday
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I like e40 but is everyone in this thread on crack? Jay-z is up there in top 5. He is the only artist with 13 platinum records (every album he put out basically)
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like i said oh fucking please. this bitch ass mf is so overrated. E four O all day ereday.
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40 is a legend, but come on. Jay is the better rapper.
40 is not on Jay's level..
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better rapper than E40? :nawty:
:poke:
welp. every one is entitled to their own opinion. shrugs.
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oh fucking please.
encye
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http://community.allhiphop.com/showthread.php?310360-Do-you-consider-Jay-Z-up-there-with-legends-like-E-40
NY niggaz is booty
they opinion... what u tellin 4...
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oh fucking please.
encye
what r you talking bout? What is an encye? I can't even pronouce that shit.
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I thought I was the only person in NY who knew who E-40 was
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I guess Cali has the best cracc haha, fucc that platinum Shit tho that don't make you the best in hiphop, speak about them bars, Jay eat 40 easy. Stop confusing style with rhyme skill. Both equals do they thang tho Yell
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Everyone's entitled to their own opinion but honestly if you think with any credibility that you can say that E fucking 40 is on Jay-Z's level than you have no clue what youre talking about.
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E-40 is an undeniable Hip-Hop legend and one of the pioneers but Jay-Z will go down in history as one of the Top 5 to ever do it...
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I'm glad the last 3 cats are talking sense. At this time Jay can only be compared to Eminem, Wayne and Kanye. 50 and T.I. were up there for awhile but both fell off commercially and critically. E 40 is a bay area legend, but do you really think he has the legacy and international impact that Jay Z has? Jay Z can headline rock concerts, who else in hip hop apart from the 3 artists I mentioned could do that? 13 number 1 albums, 13 platinum albums, and he gets respect as an artist.
Seriously there is some good crack going round here.
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40 water >
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Jay Z >>>>>>>>>>>> e40
Jay Z would murder e40 on wax, I can hardly understand a word dude says. Plus look at sales. Hova is undesputed king of rap.
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smh. this shit is pure comedy.
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i love the old e-40..his 1st lp..things never change...captain save a ho. 40 water..ect....i like both,but jay got'em.. 8)
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E-40 is an undeniable Hip-Hop legend and one of the pioneers but Jay-Z will go down in history as one of the Top 5 to ever do it...
in terms of popularity or in terms of quality? cuz in terms of quality, i can name 50 rappers better than jay-z off top.
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I listen to E40 more than Jay Z..
But rap styles and beat choiseing is so different.
Both Legends.
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Its cool to hate on jay in this forum . Jay is clearly the better Mc, though 40 is a legend is his own right
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Its cool to hate on jay in this forum . Jay is clearly the better Mc, though 40 is a legend is his own right
better mc in what way? e40 originated his own style of rap, while jay-z got his steez off others.
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Its cool to hate on jay in this forum . Jay is clearly the better Mc, though 40 is a legend is his own right
better mc in what way? e40 originated his own style of rap, while jay-z got his steez off others.
When heads talk about the GOAT Jay Z will always get a mention, you can't say the same for E-40. Every album Jay has a different flow, he's the king of the triple entendre and is a sick story teller. C'mon I don't even say why I'm debating this, it's obvious.
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Its cool to hate on jay in this forum . Jay is clearly the better Mc, though 40 is a legend is his own right
What he said. Although I do love 40 Water.
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I guess Cali has the best cracc haha, fucc that platinum Shit tho that don't make you the best in hiphop, speak about them bars, Jay eat 40 easy. Stop confusing style with rhyme skill. Both equals do they thang tho Yell
+1. and i'm an e-40 fan, i bump 40 over jay all day but gotta admit that Jay is the better rapper and lyricist. 40 is an acquired taste, he's innovative, his style is very elaborate and all and he is one of the most unsung rappers other rappers took elements from (esp. rappers from the midwest & south) but really Jay-Z is ahead in terms of delivery, consistence, lyricism, play on words, pun, wit, etc.
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E-40 isn't for everybody and i gotta admit that i never got into his music. I've tried listenin' to him, but i just don't like his style at all.
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Its cool to hate on jay in this forum . Jay is clearly the better Mc, though 40 is a legend is his own right
better mc in what way? e40 originated his own style of rap, while jay-z got his steez off others.
When heads talk about the GOAT Jay Z will always get a mention, you can't say the same for E-40. Every album Jay has a different flow, he's the king of the triple entendre and is a sick story teller. C'mon I don't even say why I'm debating this, it's obvious.
LOL, he wont be mentioned as the greatest amongst real hip-hop heads, only casual hip-hop fans...E40 is mentioned as the king of the bay and a hip-hop pioneer. now, obviously, the bay doesnt get as much love as NY...but even still, Jay-Z is not a pioneer, he's a biter and he follows trends, rather than setting them. he swagger jacked every1 from Biggie to Big L...E40 is an original act and a pioneer in the game. legendary in hip-hop for what he's done in the bay. Nas>>>>>>Jay-Z.
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I find it a lot easier to listen to Jay
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E-40 is an undeniable Hip-Hop legend and one of the pioneers but Jay-Z will go down in history as one of the Top 5 to ever do it...
in terms of popularity or in terms of quality? cuz in terms of quality, i can name 50 rappers better than jay-z off top.
50 rappers better than Jay-Z off top? C'mon now. Only casual hip hop fans consider Jay-Z one of the greatest? That's just wrong buddy. Most rappers themselves herald Jay-Z at the top of their list, are they not real hip-hop heads? I consider myself a very open minded hip-hop head, and I can honestly say I've been listening to Jay-Z since 1996 when I was 12 years old and I bought his first album (was digging his shit on the Nutty Professor soundtrack). I am not a casual fan that jumped on board when Big Pimpin dropped.
E-40 has never and will never come close to an album like The Blueprint or The Black Album. Hell, Reasonable Doubt shits all over E-40's career.
No offense to 40 Water, I love him, but this is one of the worst comparisons in rap one could ever make. I bought Hall of Game before E-40 even really popped off as the super commercial artist he has become. I've been listening to this guy since I was a kid. Half of E-40's raps make no sense (doesn't mean they don't sound dope), and Jay-Z has continued to be likely the most consistent emcee of all time. He is 41 going on 42 years old and he will still shit on just about every emcee. Rappers get wack when they get older but pretty much the opposite happened with Jay-Z. He just dropped one of the year's best albums with Kanye.
E-40 is simply a rapper out for a hit. He's big in the club scene, but he's not a rapper that drops full-listenable concept albums, nor is he a rapper that has any kind of message other than being hyphy, silly, and partying.
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E-40 is an undeniable Hip-Hop legend and one of the pioneers but Jay-Z will go down in history as one of the Top 5 to ever do it...
in terms of popularity or in terms of quality? cuz in terms of quality, i can name 50 rappers better than jay-z off top.
50 rappers better than Jay-Z off top? C'mon now.
E-40 has never and will never come close to an album like The Blueprint or The Black Album. Hell, Reasonable Doubt shits all over E-40's career.
No offense to 40 Water, I love him, but this is one of the worst comparisons in rap one could ever make. Half of E-40's raps make no sense, and Jay-Z has continued to be likely the most consistent emcee of all time. He is 41 going on 42 years old and he will still shit on just about every emcee. Rappers get wack when they get older but pretty much the opposite happened with Jay-Z. He just dropped one of the year's best albums with Kanye.
E-40 is simply a rapper out for a hit. He's big in the club scene, but he's not a rapper that drops full-listenable concept albums, nor is he a rapper that has any kind of message other than being hyphy, silly, and partying.
dont get me wrong, i do think jay-z is a skiled rapper, and "reasonable doubt" is a classic (his best album)... he's just overrated as a muthafucka. he's not amongst the GOATs, there are tons of people who would go on the all-time great list ahead of him. as far as E40, i dunno if uve heard "In a Major Way" or "Hall of Game", but 40 has a long catalogue with classics, as well.. and he pretty much runs the bay area right now. so it's not unreasonable to put them in the same echelon. i, personally, would rather bump a dope 40 track over some jay-z, any day of the week.
rakim
nas
method man
brotha lynch
2pac
mac dre
tech n9ne
andre 3000
jayo felony
ice cube
there's 10 rappers better than jay-z, and it took me 10 seconds to type.
biggie
big pun
scarface
krs-1
big l
kurupt
wc
gza
rza
ghostface
10 more, took me another 10 seconds...i can keep goin and goin. bottom line, jay is not a top 5 rapper of all time...not by a long shot.
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I don't even no how such a comparison even gets made, let alone inspires any real debate. It's two compeletely different styles. There's this diversity to hip-hop that people just aren't with at all. You have these rappers with such unique styles and people want to compare them to some other rapper for just some weird pissing contest. It's like comparing Busta Rhymes to Nas, how do you even decide the criteria?
Jay-Z is that dude to hate. It's kind of like Eminem. It will never be comfortable for a hip-hop head to acknowledge how dope someone is if they are on MTV and have a pop crossover fanbase (unless they are dead and happened to be named Tupac). If someone says either of those two in list of great artists, it reads like they don't listen to "real hip-hop". E-40 is a dope-ass rapper but how exactly is Jay not on his level? Because 40 creates slang?
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C'mon Nik, Jayo Felony? WC? Brotha Lynch? Yes all dope rappers but you're comparing your own personal tastes with impact in the game, you only need to read the majority of responses in this thread to know that it's not just "casual fans" that herald Jay Z as one of the dopest. The fact that casual fans have been thinking Jay is one of the dopest for over 10 years or so shows how big his reach is. Your typical commercial emcee will fall off the face of the earth after a couple albums, someone who really has skill will remain relevant for decades.
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well, if the original poster is talkin about talent as far as a rapping goes, everyone i listed is a better rapper than jay-z...as far as impact on the game goes, e40 had a HUGE impact on the bay, and his impact extends way past that. he trademarked his own style of rap, while jay-z just bit others. jay-z didn't start trends and innovate, he bit and jacked his predecessors, and took it to the next level COMMERCIALLY...so yes, in terms of popularity and record sales, jay easiy takes the cake...but in terms of influence and rapping skills, e40 is better and more original...i have no problem if u prefer jay-z's music to e40's, they're two different styles, but i can definitely say i feel e40's ORIGINAL style over jay-z's BITTEN style.....
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E-40 is an undeniable Hip-Hop legend and one of the pioneers but Jay-Z will go down in history as one of the Top 5 to ever do it...
in terms of popularity or in terms of quality? cuz in terms of quality, i can name 50 rappers better than jay-z off top.
50 rappers better than Jay-Z off top? C'mon now.
E-40 has never and will never come close to an album like The Blueprint or The Black Album. Hell, Reasonable Doubt shits all over E-40's career.
No offense to 40 Water, I love him, but this is one of the worst comparisons in rap one could ever make. Half of E-40's raps make no sense, and Jay-Z has continued to be likely the most consistent emcee of all time. He is 41 going on 42 years old and he will still shit on just about every emcee. Rappers get wack when they get older but pretty much the opposite happened with Jay-Z. He just dropped one of the year's best albums with Kanye.
E-40 is simply a rapper out for a hit. He's big in the club scene, but he's not a rapper that drops full-listenable concept albums, nor is he a rapper that has any kind of message other than being hyphy, silly, and partying.
dont get me wrong, i do think jay-z is a skiled rapper, and "reasonable doubt" is a classic (his best album)... he's just overrated as a muthafucka. he's not amongst the GOATs, there are tons of people who would go on the all-time great list ahead of him. as far as E40, i dunno if uve heard "In a Major Way" or "Hall of Game", but 40 has a long catalogue with classics, as well.. and he pretty much runs the bay area right now. so it's not unreasonable to put them in the same echelon. i, personally, would rather bump a dope 40 track over some jay-z, any day of the week.
rakim
nas
method man
brotha lynch
2pac
mac dre
tech n9ne
andre 3000
jayo felony
ice cube
there's 10 rappers better than jay-z, and it took me 10 seconds to type.
biggie
big pun
scarface
krs-1
big l
kurupt
wc
gza
rza
ghostface
10 more, took me another 10 seconds...i can keep goin and goin. bottom line, jay is not a top 5 rapper of all time...not by a long shot.
WC - no
GZA - no
RZA - no
Kurupt - no
Scarface - no
Jayo Felony - hell no
Mac Dre - RIP but absolutely not
Brotha Lynch - absolutely not
Method Man - dope, but has never EVER put out a good album.
You just have different tastes which is perfectly fine, but you can't compare artists that have only put out like 3-4 solo albums to someone with a catalog like Jay-Z's. And Kurupt from 2004-on can't hold a candle to Jay-Z (might I mention, Kurupt only has about 4-5 solo albums himself).
Not to mention most of the rappers you're naming have an incredible lack of depth as emcees.
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And if you wanna talk about originality - 80% of the slang E-40 uses comes from Mac Shawn and you can ask E-40 that himself.
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well, if the original poster is talkin about talent as far as a rapping goes, everyone i listed is a better rapper than jay-z...as far as impact on the game goes, e40 had a HUGE impact on the bay, and his impact extends way past that. he trademarked his own style of rap, while jay-z just bit others. jay-z didn't start trends and innovate, he bit and jacked his predecessors, and took it to the next level COMMERCIALLY...so yes, in terms of popularity and record sales, jay easiy takes the cake...but in terms of influence and rapping skills, e40 is better and more original...i have no problem if u prefer jay-z's music to e40's, they're two different styles, but i can definitely say i feel e40's ORIGINAL style over jay-z's BITTEN style.....
I never bought into the fact that Jay bites styles. Yeah he re-uses a lot of famous lines, but any head will know he's paying homage not just biting. Show me where Jay sounds like Big L? Biggie? As I mentioned earlier if you listen to each of his albums he has a different flow on every one. Who was he biting on "The Blueprint"? "The Black Album"? etc etc. Jay was a trend setter, he is the one who put on Kanye and Blaze and made that whole soul sample style relevant. I have to admit on BP3 he got everyone who was hot in the game, but he brought them into his world.
E-40 changed the rap game in the bay, Jay Z changed the rap game in the world. The original questions was is E-40 on Jay Zs "Level", not about skill or success, but on his "level". Jay is at the very top of the game, E-40 is a few tiers down, as I mentioned earlier few can be compared to Jay Z, Em, Wayne, Kanye and that's about it at this moment in time.
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E-40 is an undeniable Hip-Hop legend and one of the pioneers but Jay-Z will go down in history as one of the Top 5 to ever do it...
in terms of popularity or in terms of quality? cuz in terms of quality, i can name 50 rappers better than jay-z off top.
50 rappers better than Jay-Z off top? C'mon now.
E-40 has never and will never come close to an album like The Blueprint or The Black Album. Hell, Reasonable Doubt shits all over E-40's career.
No offense to 40 Water, I love him, but this is one of the worst comparisons in rap one could ever make. Half of E-40's raps make no sense, and Jay-Z has continued to be likely the most consistent emcee of all time. He is 41 going on 42 years old and he will still shit on just about every emcee. Rappers get wack when they get older but pretty much the opposite happened with Jay-Z. He just dropped one of the year's best albums with Kanye.
E-40 is simply a rapper out for a hit. He's big in the club scene, but he's not a rapper that drops full-listenable concept albums, nor is he a rapper that has any kind of message other than being hyphy, silly, and partying.
dont get me wrong, i do think jay-z is a skiled rapper, and "reasonable doubt" is a classic (his best album)... he's just overrated as a muthafucka. he's not amongst the GOATs, there are tons of people who would go on the all-time great list ahead of him. as far as E40, i dunno if uve heard "In a Major Way" or "Hall of Game", but 40 has a long catalogue with classics, as well.. and he pretty much runs the bay area right now. so it's not unreasonable to put them in the same echelon. i, personally, would rather bump a dope 40 track over some jay-z, any day of the week.
rakim
nas
method man
brotha lynch
2pac
mac dre
tech n9ne
andre 3000
jayo felony
ice cube
there's 10 rappers better than jay-z, and it took me 10 seconds to type.
biggie
big pun
scarface
krs-1
big l
kurupt
wc
gza
rza
ghostface
10 more, took me another 10 seconds...i can keep goin and goin. bottom line, jay is not a top 5 rapper of all time...not by a long shot.
WC - no
GZA - no
RZA - no
Kurupt - no
Scarface - no
Jayo Felony - hell no
Mac Dre - RIP but absolutely not
Brotha Lynch - absolutely not
Method Man - dope, but has never EVER put out a good album.
You just have different tastes which is perfectly fine, but you can't compare artists that have only put out like 3-4 solo albums to someone with a catalog like Jay-Z's. And Kurupt from 2004-on can't hold a candle to Jay-Z (might I mention, Kurupt only has about 4-5 solo albums himself).
Not to mention most of the rappers you're naming have an incredible lack of depth as emcees.
i'm not talkin about who put out more albums, i'm talkin about who's the better rapper...biggie only has 3 albums (1 of which is posthumous), yet he's still considered the GOAT of the east coast...when it comes down to it, Jay-Z is a better business-man than he is a rapper. there are tons of rappers who are better, but simply dont have their heads on straight, so theyll never see the success jay-z saw. but u must learn to differentiate between rapping skills and business skills...PeACe
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And if you wanna talk about originality - 80% of the slang E-40 uses comes from Mac Shawn and you can ask E-40 that himself.
thats bay area slang, it started from the pimps...but forget the slang, his whole style of rapping, he pretty much invented that off-the-wall, bay area rap style...and how many muthafuckaz have u heard that were influenced by that style up until this very day? come on, to say u like jay better is 1 thing, but to deny e40's influence in rap is another.
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well, if the original poster is talkin about talent as far as a rapping goes, everyone i listed is a better rapper than jay-z...as far as impact on the game goes, e40 had a HUGE impact on the bay, and his impact extends way past that. he trademarked his own style of rap, while jay-z just bit others. jay-z didn't start trends and innovate, he bit and jacked his predecessors, and took it to the next level COMMERCIALLY...so yes, in terms of popularity and record sales, jay easiy takes the cake...but in terms of influence and rapping skills, e40 is better and more original...i have no problem if u prefer jay-z's music to e40's, they're two different styles, but i can definitely say i feel e40's ORIGINAL style over jay-z's BITTEN style.....
I never bought into the fact that Jay bites styles. Yeah he re-uses a lot of famous lines, but any head will know he's paying homage not just biting. Show me where Jay sounds like Big L? Biggie? As I mentioned earlier if you listen to each of his albums he has a different flow on every one. Who was he biting on "The Blueprint"? "The Black Album"? etc etc. Jay was a trend setter, he is the one who put on Kanye and Blaze and made that whole soul sample style relevant. I have to admit on BP3 he got everyone who was hot in the game, but he brought them into his world.
E-40 changed the rap game in the bay, Jay Z changed the rap game in the world. The original questions was is E-40 on Jay Zs "Level", not about skill or success, but on his "level". Jay is at the very top of the game, E-40 is a few tiers down, as I mentioned earlier few can be compared to Jay Z, Em, Wayne, Kanye and that's about it at this moment in time.
http://www.youtube.com/v/RqScH2CfYTg
http://www.youtube.com/v/9dN3aS2Rxfs
http://www.youtube.com/v/mszKJxaFGJ8
i understand in paying homage with 1 verse or so, but the dude has swagger jacked every1...snoop, 2pac, u name it. he is not a trend setter, he's a trend follower, and u'd be blind not 2 see it, homie.
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Yup. People are really on the personal taste train when it comes to these ridicilous lists. Jay does his thing. You don't have to like the music but you can't knock the hustle. Fact is dude has a diverse catalog of dope music and as a much as we all want to pretend it's still the late 90's or earlier, Jay-Z had a huge influence on the last 10 years of music.
I never bought into the fact that Jay bites styles. Yeah he re-uses a lot of famous lines, but any head will know he's paying homage not just biting. Show me where Jay sounds like Big L? Biggie? As I mentioned earlier if you listen to each of his albums he has a different flow on every one. Who was he biting on "The Blueprint"? "The Black Album"? etc etc. Jay was a trend setter, he is the one who put on Kanye and Blaze and made that whole soul sample style relevant. I have to admit on BP3 he got everyone who was hot in the game, but he brought them into his world.
Exactly. People want to act like everything in today's popular culture (or the 90's) wasn't heavily influenced or directly borrowed from the things that came before. Hip-hop, in particular, is so ego-driven that all us listeners who grew up on it are basically brainwashed into believing that these dudes didn't get by on jacking hooks or song samples from old records. People trying to convince themselves that Jay-Z ain't a great emcee are like drunk people trying to tell the cops they ain't drunk when their bumpers folded into a damn tree.
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Swagger jacking would be if he patterned himself/his image/his style after these people and he flat out does not.
It's not like he's using those verses and trying to play those off as his own. Biggie and Eminem lines - does he really think there's any rap fans out there who don't know that he's spitting their lines? I've always thought it was paying homage. Do you really think Jay-Z is trying to pattern himself after Eminem by spitting that "success" line?
So I assume 2Pac was swagger jacking Method Man with "I came to bring the pain....", or Snoop Dogg is swagger jacking Rob Base with "I wanna rock right now..."
C'mon, you're pushing it. By no means do I listen to Biggie, Big L, or Eminem and think "Wow, Jay-Z really took these rappers' style" - I'm sorry.
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As i said earlier, I don't think E-40 is on Jay's level. However, whoever said 40 raps about nonsense and gets his slang from Mac Shawn needs to listen and never makes concept albums needs to check his facts.
40 is the reason why rappers are doing "Everyday i'm hustlin" type of songs these days, and if you don't believe me there's a video on youtube where Rick Ross thanks E-40 for setting up the "blueprint". Mr Flamboyant is basically "Hustlin'" 15 years in advance.
The revenue retrievin' series of album is a concept in itself. albums to grind to. at night, during daytime, etc.
you may think 40 raps nonsense and uses words just to sound clever/silly/whatever but dude has been acknowledged for spitting real stuff people can relate too. i wouldn't know cause I'm not engaged in the drug game nor related to it lol but I can safely say that songs he has made throughout his career like Drought Season, Scandalous, 1-Luv, The Story, Reasons, I hope I don't go back, etc. are deep songs.
:aybe 40 gets his slang from Mac Shawn, possibly (i have yet to see how though), but that doesn't take away his lyrical skills, and he couldn't have gotten that from Shawn since mac Shawn can't write for shit, he uses 100 different words in his lyrics when 40 uses probably 10x as much lol. also 40 is known for popularizing slang terms, not necessarily creating them. i think his reputation as slang creator is slightly overhyped. 40 didn't invent words like po-po, scrilla, playa hater, broccoli, but he surely popularized them. Filthy Phil created Playa Hater, Keak da Sneak create Fo Sheezy. However if it weren't for 40 and Too Short saying "we off the heezy for sheezy, I thought you theezy Ant Beezy" you wouldn't have Lil Wayne doing songs called "fo sheezy" or Chris Brown calling himself Chris Breezy lol. that's why I think 40 is an unsung rapper, dude has had some influence on some South artists, so when the South blew up the industry you could feel the impact E-40 had had on some of them. and as soon as the South hit it big, you had people all over the states, and the planet copying them.
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Yup. People are really on the personal taste train when it comes to these ridicilous lists. Jay does his thing. You don't have to like the music but you can't knock the hustle. Fact is dude has a diverse catalog of dope music and as a much as we all want to pretend it's still the late 90's or earlier, Jay-Z had a huge influence on the last 10 years of music.
I never bought into the fact that Jay bites styles. Yeah he re-uses a lot of famous lines, but any head will know he's paying homage not just biting. Show me where Jay sounds like Big L? Biggie? As I mentioned earlier if you listen to each of his albums he has a different flow on every one. Who was he biting on "The Blueprint"? "The Black Album"? etc etc. Jay was a trend setter, he is the one who put on Kanye and Blaze and made that whole soul sample style relevant. I have to admit on BP3 he got everyone who was hot in the game, but he brought them into his world.
Exactly. People want to act like everything in today's popular culture (or the 90's) wasn't heavily influenced or directly borrowed from the things that came before. Hip-hop, in particular, is so ego-driven that all us listeners who grew up on it are basically brainwashed into believing that these dudes didn't get by on jacking hooks or song samples from old records. People trying to convince themselves that Jay-Z ain't a great emcee are like drunk people trying to tell the cops they ain't drunk when their bumpers folded into a damn tree.
like i said, jay-z is a good rapper, he's just overrated. lots of rappers coulda made it as big as him with the right business ethics...dude is a business-man first, rapper second. thats why he's so big. as far as him being a biter, either way u chop it up, it's pretty obvious that jay is not comparable to e40 in a sense of patenting their own style. e40 is e40...jay-z is biggie, 2pac, big l, snoop, mobb deep, rakim, etc. he's sorta like game, the way he just takes elements from a bunch of other rappers and has no shame in it...honestly if game was a better business-man, he could do what jay is doing out here on the west coast. bottom line, jay-z is bigger than e40, but that doesnt make him the better rapper...as far as levels, it really depends on what the original poster is talkin about. popularity level, jay-z takes the cake. rappin level, i'd listen to e40 over jay-z any day. originality level, we dont even need to go there...shit, jay-z was even saying "off the heezy fasheezy" in his tracks, amongst other bay area slangs that e40 popularized. u wont hear e40 usin jay-z's lines LOL...that speaks for itself.
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Swagger jacking would be if he patterned himself/his image/his style after these people and he flat out does not.
It's not like he's using those verses and trying to play those off as his own. Biggie and Eminem lines - does he really think there's any rap fans out there who don't know that he's spitting their lines? I've always thought it was paying homage. Do you really think Jay-Z is trying to pattern himself after Eminem by spitting that "success" line?
So I assume 2Pac was swagger jacking Method Man with "I came to bring the pain....", or Snoop Dogg is swagger jacking Rob Base with "I wanna rock right now..."
C'mon, you're pushing it. By no means do I listen to Biggie, Big L, or Eminem and think "Wow, Jay-Z really took these rappers' style" - I'm sorry.
u really dont think he patterened himself after biggie? lmao...even on the new cd, he says "jordan, jackson, tyson, choose 1"...if jay-z didn't pattern himself after biggie, i aint sccit tha shit, and no rapper has ever patterned themselves after any rapper...thats straight bs, and u know it...i hope. i dont think he patterns himself after snoop and 2pac, but he obviously took certain elements from them, and even openly makes songs in their style..."h to the izzo, slim with the tilted brim" LOL. come on. "all i need in this life of sin, is me and my girlfriend"...like i said, it's cool to do for 1 track, maybe 2..but the guy is known for that. it's his steez.. amazing how u dont realize it.
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lmao. j and his pants to the ankels culo (spl chk) giving groupie boy pussy loving ass cant keep it real broads. smh. i dont know why you all are always saying that stuck in the 90ys crap...when those same rappers are still relevant even today. e40 rapped better than jay z then and now and its 2011 if u didnt get the memo. you all are clearly speaking on popularity and fame shit... not rap lyrics. lyrically e40 is better. point blank. i wouldnt even say j is the better buisness man either.. mr fed ex was shipping before and rappin. and thats a business. prolly even during. he also started pushing his own cds out his car if im not mistaken. and i dont even wanna hear bout j selling his nickle sacks for comparison. i say that to say this. he did all that on his own and created a huge name for himself. i get the feeling he dont even want the fame. just the paper. jay may know warren buffet but e40 knows santa clause damn it.
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I find it a lot easier to listen to Jay
so it seems like jay-z is for the small-minded... ;)
E-40 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jay-Z there is no question about. Dude has still the most style!
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no disrespect to e40 but jay is past his level. 40's older music from 90 -2000 was dope though.