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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: Lunatic on October 18, 2011, 10:15:55 AM
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A first and second round pick for Carson Palmer?!? Wow ::)
It's a shame. I like this franchise but c'mon.
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If they win a playoff game that second round pick becomes a first round pick in 2013.
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If they win a playoff game that second round pick becomes a first round pick in 2013.
Which is an expensive price. But at the same time, if they win a playoff game, it means this deal worked out.
I just think a first & second rounder for an injury prone QB on the wrong side of 30 who struggled in his last season or two, that's just crazy expensive.
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I agree, not a very smart move.
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I think it's a great move. Hard to believe they may give up two first round picks but it's all in here and Hue thinks an elite level QB will make the difference. I've got a lot of faith in Carson as a pocket passer behind and incredible run game, and he's always played well in those situations, especially with no diva WRs in Oakland. Basically if Cinci ends up with a top 10 2012 and a top 5 second round pick in 2013 it was the dumbest move the raiders ever did. But if Cinci ends up with the 28th or 29th pick in rounds 1 of 2012 and 2013 then it's a better move than any of Al's big gambles, and if Cinnci ends up with the 32nd pck in next year's draft it's the smartest move of all time by Hue Miller.
Now still don't think they have a shot at beating GB but I think Carson is the only available QB good enough to give them a shot at beating anyone else come January.
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I love this move. We saw the New York Giants in 2008. Squeaked into the playoffs, won some games & then went on to Superbowl Champs.
Carson gives them an amazing chance at that birth & gives them a pretty good chance at the division even.
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Lol this is a terrible move. Raiders aren't winning the superbowl regardless and now they give up another first round pick? Possibly two? So much for the raiders future.
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Lol this is a terrible move. Raiders aren't winning the superbowl regardless and now they give up another first round pick? Possibly two? So much for the raiders future.
I feel the Raiders future is right now. They have a great ground game & a solid defense. It's all you need. Unless they were going 0-16, they weren't getting Luck this year, you need a QB, it's a QB league. Carson was a great QB a couple years ago, then that franchise fucked up.
The Raiders are kind of like a young Jets team, in my opinion. The year Rex Ryan ran the show, they had a good chance of winning the Superbowl. They have one this year, maybe next year & after that, it's over. It's kind of like the Pats, if their offense wasn't great & didn't have arguably the greatest QB ever, that ship would of sailed for them. The Steelers are a great example. Defensively they are getting old, their window closed. The Raiders window is just opening, in my opinion. They are still a few moves away, but I don't know if having those draft picks would of made that much of a difference. It's not problems a good free agent signing couldn't fix.
However, that's all assuming Carson comes back & plays up to par. I suppose kind of a silly assumption.
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However, that's all assuming Carson comes back & plays up to par. I suppose kind of a silly assumption.
I expect him to take some time to get used to the system and his WRs, but Darren McFadden is going to be his best friend for the first 4 weeks. Luckily the Chargers have to travel to the Jets and Oakland gets to host KC so Palmer, if he starts right away gets an easy first win, and if he doesn't start he can watch the Raiders beat the Chiefs from the bench and then get a week off to learn more on the bye and them come back and host Denver to a probable win before having to prove himself in San Diego for week 10. I think the week 10 game will determine who is going to the playoffs and who is staying home.
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The jets had the best defense in the league. The raiders are a middle of the pack d with an awful secondary. They are a fringe playoff team at best, no shot at a superbowl. Their offense is one dimensional. This trade is just mind numbingly dumb. Your mortaging your future for a qb who's probably done. Carson hasn't been the same since his knee injury.
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Raiders suck at drafting early, so it's not like if it really matters lol. Their best young players right now have been drafted in the later rounds.
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Carson's gonna really start to open it up on the field with Mcfadden as a constant threat, its a good move, and most importantly above all for the franchise.. A TICKET SELLER.
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If Carson comes out, they will compliment each other. Similar to when Favre went to the Vikings with AP in his backfield.
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LOL.
Palmer is done.
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That was pathetic.
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This is coming from a Raiders fan.
Don't like the trade at all. Gave up some value with those picks. We are becoming the Phoenix Suns of the NFL with as many draft picks we trade away. Basically gave Jason Campbell the finger after this season and for whatever reason we are putting all our eggs in one basket for this season like it's do or die.
But at the same time I don't trust Kyle at QB either (KC game case in point) and Carson is a bit of a up grade. And we needed a reliable QB for the rest of the year. I just thought we would be able to find one for less than 2 high picks.
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Being down by that much after just losing McFadden and then throwing a guy who you just signed into the fire isn't something that should be judged. It would have taken the entire 89 Niners team to come out for the second half to win that game.
Calling Carson a bust already is just foolosh.
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Palmer shouldn't have entered the game. He's not fully comfortable with the plays yet, plus it was going to be obvious his timing was going to be off.
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Being down by that much after just losing McFadden and then throwing a guy who you just signed into the fire isn't something that should be judged. It would have taken the entire 89 Niners team to come out for the second half to win that game.
Calling Carson a bust already is just foolosh.
Didn't you just say they would have an easy win over kc? ::)
And admit it, Palmer looked dreadful. His passes had zero velocity.
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Being down by that much after just losing McFadden and then throwing a guy who you just signed into the fire isn't something that should be judged. It would have taken the entire 89 Niners team to come out for the second half to win that game.
Calling Carson a bust already is just foolosh.
Didn't you just say they would have an easy win over kc? ::)
And admit it, Palmer looked dreadful. His passes had zero velocity.
shut up little cunt
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Obviously a horrible decision to put Palmer in, not sure what Jackson was thinking with that one. He was clearly desperate after the dreadful first half but he should have just chalked up the L and moved on. He should have known Palmer wasn't ready obviously (that's why he didnt' start him in the first place) so it's surprising to see a professional coach allow one half to foolishly change his mind when he made the right decision in the first place (benching Palmer).
Also can't judge based on one half when Palmer clearly isn't ready but it can't be ignored and does help those calling this trade foolish in there argument at this point.
Before and after this performance, I think they gave up WAY too much.
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Being down by that much after just losing McFadden and then throwing a guy who you just signed into the fire isn't something that should be judged. It would have taken the entire 89 Niners team to come out for the second half to win that game.
Calling Carson a bust already is just foolosh.
Didn't you just say they would have an easy win over kc? ::)
And admit it, Palmer looked dreadful. His passes had zero velocity.
I thought they'd have an easy in over KC if I was playing QB. I'm not sure how much was Romeo's defense stepping up huge or how much losing McFadden meant but Oakland got pounded. No QB in history could have walked in and made Oak win that game.
These things happen in the NFL. I'm sure most people thought the Ravens would have an easy win over the Jags last night. I sure did.
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Lol this is a terrible move. Raiders aren't winning the superbowl regardless and now they give up another first round pick? Possibly two? So much for the raiders future.
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I was going to bump this thread when the raiders finish out of the playoffs and Palmer finishes the year with more picks then Tds. Truly an awful trade, I seriously don't know how any of you thought this was a good idea.
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I was going to bump this thread when the raiders finish out of the playoffs and Palmer finishes the year with more picks then Tds. Truly an awful trade, I seriously don't know how any of you thought this was a good idea.
KILL YOURSELF, ASSHOLE
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I was going to bump this thread when the raiders finish out of the playoffs and Palmer finishes the year with more picks then Tds. Truly an awful trade, I seriously don't know how any of you thought this was a good idea.
I thought acquiring Palmer in itself was worth a try, the Bengals organization was a mess to the point where Palmer didn't even want to play, so they probably figured he'd be better off with a fresh start. Also, not having McFadden hurts the Raiders offense as a whole. With that said, they gave up way too much to get him and he's played pretty badly, so all in all looking like a horrible move so far.
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I have no problem with Palmer and them getting him. But the price? Ridiculous. The jets aquired santonio Holmes, an elite receiver who is a super bowl MVP who made one of the all time great catches to win the superbowl for a 5th round pick. Carson Palmer is 0-2 in his career in the playoffs and has never done a single significant thing in his entire career except pad his regular season stats. And they gave up a 1st and 2nd round pick for him. That's the kind of trade that gets GM's fired.
At BEST Palmer was worth a 3rd round pick.
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i agree they gave up too much. he was kinda thrown in the middle of shit though. id give it another uninterrupted season before callin the move a bust. a full off season,training camp and pre-season to get everyone on the same page. its not like campbell was gonna take them anywhere anyway.
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I made this thread 8) lol
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I still say Carson will be worth more than whoever Cinci ends up drafting in round 1 next year. The bad break came when losing McFadden. He was the offense Carson was just supposed to keep the defenses more honest by respecting the longer pass game. But since Carson and Darren have yet to play together at all yet I can't take anything I said back. Based on the upcoming schedules I expect Oakland to lose more games than Denver loses, but next year may end up being a completely different story if McFadden comes back healthy.