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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: rayallen0 on November 06, 2011, 07:34:42 PM
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Defiantly the 2 best Heavyweights in the world.
I'm taking the champ in this one though.
both have great resumes
Cain: O'Brien, Kongo, Rothwell & Big Nog
JDS: Werdrum, Struve, Cro Cop, Yvel, Gonzaga, Nelson & Carwin
but the 1 name that is bigger than any of them is Lesnar. Cain made Brock look like a nobody, this was the best heavyweight in the world and he just rag dolled him. JDS had a definite shot in this though, but has to avoid the clinch and ground.
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dos santos is going to fuck cain up ;D
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dos santos is going to fuck cain up ;D
last 2 fights = decisions. Cain last 2 fights are KO's in the 1st round. idk about fucking him up.
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dos santos is going to fuck cain up ;D
last 2 fights = decisions. Cain last 2 fights are KO's in the 1st round. idk about fucking him up.
you will see
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Its a tough fight to call because neither fighter has had a weakness exposed yet and we don't know what they can do against each other. Cain made Brock look like a bitch. But so did Carwin, and then went on to be dominated by Dos Santos. It seems clear to me that once Brock gets hit with a big shot he panics and can't recover. Dos Santos has gone to decision in his last two fights but has dominated and had rocked both Nelson and Carwin. Tbh the Carwin fight should've been stopped as a TKO. I think once Dos Santos starts throwing bombs against fighters with iron chins and realizes they aren't going to sleep, he backs off a little so he wont punch himself out and is content to ride out the win by beating them to the punch. But I think Dos Santos is the better striker and my vote is that he will TKO Cain early on. Cain was hurt against Kongo and he will be taking the same kind of shots from Dos Santos.
The outcome of this fight will be decided by whether Cain can take Dos Santos down. I will say that if Cain can take out Dos Santos, he will be holding that belt for a long time.
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Im taking JDS by second round KO
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Cain is a maniac. Dude's cardio game is second to none in the heavyweight division. I got him.
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Cain is a beast! Never seen Dos Santos fight.
I just hope its a good fight.
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Well, tonight is going to be a pretty big night. The UFC makes its debut on American network television, airing live on the Fox network. And we start off with a massive Heavyweight Title fight between champion Cain Velasquez and challenger Junior dos Santos. This long awaited fight was moved from pay-per-view to this event so the UFC can make a huge bang with their very first Fox event.
This will be the only fight airing live tonight on Fox is Velasquez vs. Dos Santos, though the remaining contests will be broadcast on FoxSports.com or on Facebook. This is an unusually strong batch of streaming fights given the structure of the events tonight. Clay Guida will take on Ben Henderson in what appears to be a Lightweight Title eliminator, the winner likely taking on Frankie Edgar in early 2012.
None of the other contests are particularly title relevant, though we have some fun contests tonight. Ranked featherweights Dustin Poirier and Robert Peralta take on Pablo Garza and Mackens Semerzier, respectively. Cub Swanson and Ricardo Lamas will also be squaring off at 145 pounds. Darren Uyenoyama will fight Japanese star Norifumi “Kid” Yamamoto” and we’ll see Cole Escovedo, Aaron Rosa, and Mike Pierce all in action tonight. This should be a great night of fights.
UFC on Fox – Velasquez vs. dos Santos airs live on Fox at 9:00 PM EST/8:00 PM CST with the fights on Facebook/FoxSports.com beginning at 4:50 PM EST/3:50 PM CST. SpikeTV is airing UFC Unleashed all day long, while Fox’s sister station Fuel is also broadcasting various UFC programming throughout the day.
Heavyweight Title: (c) Cain Velasquez (9-0) vs. Junior dos Santos (13-1)
My Pick. Velasquez by KO/TKO - Round 3
Lightweight: Clay Guida (29-11) vs. Ben Henderson (14-2)
MP: Guida by Decision
Featherweight: Dustin Poirier (10-1) vs. Pablo Garza (11-1)
MP: Poirier KO/TKO - Round 1
Bantamweight: Darren Uyenoyama (6-3) vs. Norifumi Yamamoto (18-4, 1 NC)
MP: Uyenoyama by Decision
Featherweight: Cub Swanson (15-4) vs. Ricardo Lamas (10-2)
MP: Swanson - Decision
Featherweight: Robert Peralta (15-3) vs. Mackens Semerzier (6-3)
MP: Peralta by Decision
Middleweight: Mike Pierce (12-4) vs. Paul Bradley (18-3, 1 NC)
MP: Pierce by Decision
Light Heavyweight: Aaron Rosa (16-4) vs. Matt Lucas (14-2)
MP: Rosa by Submission - Round 2
Bantamweight: Cole Escovedo (17-8) vs. Alex Caceres (5-4)
MP: Escovedo by Submission - Round 1
Welterweight: DaMarques Johnson (12-9) vs. Clay Harvison (9-3)
MP: Johnson by KO/TKO - Round 3
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dos santos is going to fuck cain up ;D
last 2 fights = decisions. Cain last 2 fights are KO's in the 1st round. idk about fucking him up.
you will see
...i see that you were right
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I think Dos Santos is the better striker and my vote is that he will TKO Cain early on. Cain was hurt against Kongo and he will be taking the same kind of shots from Dos Santos.
Dos Santos mothafuckers! Never question him again.
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Cain got fucked up!!! Congrats to JDS 8) 8)
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I knew it was way too soon to be calling Cain untouchable. He's only had 9 mma fights, almost all ending in the first round, and the one time he faced a striker he was rocked and had trouble. No doubt he's still one of the best and the most well-rounded heavyweight, but his chin is always going to be a question.
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Ya but really, this fight could have gone either way. JDS was the better fighter tonight.
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Depends on whether Cain could've taken Dos Santos down. lol which we still don't know. I thought this fight would solve that mystery but the guy keeps knocking people out before we can find out.
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Anybody see the Henderson vs Guida fight?
Excited to see how he fairs against Edgar. He looked great today.
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Anybody see the Henderson vs Guida fight?
Excited to see how he fairs against Edgar. He looked great today.
That was a great fight. Honestly that's the fight Fox should've shown if they were expecting a longer fight. I don't know why they put two guys in there who rarely go past the first round.
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(http://fightrankings.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/jds.jpg?w=492&h=281)
Before I begin this write-up, a special shout out to Mike Goldberg and Joe Rogan who did their best to embarrass the UFC last night with their utter lack of preparation. This is especially true of Mike Goldberg, who struggled with fighters’ names (especially Darren Uyenoyama) and was even more clueless than usual. Joe was put in the unenviable position of having to overcompensate for his bumbling partner and wasn’t on top of things either, though with how hard he had to work, I can’t blame him.
I know he’s been around forever, but seriously, it’s time Mike Goldberg is gone from the UFC. I’m not saying we have to cause him any harm or set him ablaze, as much as I might like that personally, but he’s an incompetent boob who hasn’t improved in more than 15 years of working with the UFC. There are much better options out there and it’s high time the UFC starts looking for a more suitable replacement.
Heavyweight Title: Junior dos Santos d. (c) Cain Velasquez (KO – Round 1, 1:04)
So we have a new UFC Heavyweight Champion – that’s exciting, right? In just more than a minute, Junior dos Santos punched Cain Velasquez very hard and became the very first undisputed Heavyweight Champion from Brazil. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira held the Interim Heavyweight Title for a time, but it’s certainly not the same. Junior dos Santos has made history and did so on the biggest stage the UFC has ever seen.
JDS will now fight the winner of December’s absolutely epic clash between Alistair Overeem and Brock Lesnar, while Velasquez could possibly fight the loser of that contest. A fight with Shane Carwin or the winner of Nogueira vs. Frank Mir would also be appropriate, but we’ll have to wait and see.
Lightweight: Ben Henderson d. Clay Guida (Unanimous Decision)
Boy, who would have guessed that this fight would be good? Oh, you mean everyone did? Yeah, it was fantastic and was potentially the fight of the year. I thought Henderson clearly won the fight and fought a little safer than we normally see, but Guida was his typical frenetic ball of energy, pushing forward and trying to stay constantly active. Henderson fought a good fight, landed some big strikes, and controlled Guida for the majority of the bout.
Henderson now gets a Lightweight Title shot against Frankie Edgar in Japan in what could be a very exciting fight. Guida has some interesting options out there, including Gray Maynard, Joe Lauzon, or potentially the winner of Cerrone vs. Diaz depending on how long he wants to wait for a fight.
Featherweight: Dustin Poirier d. Pablo Garza (Submission – Round 2, 1:32)
Poirier looked pretty good and ended up winning with a sweet D’arce choke. Yep.
Bantamweight: Darren Uyenoyama d. Norifumi Yamamoto (Unanimous Decision)
Look, I know that a lot of people love Kid Yamamoto. For many years, he was one of the top featherweight fighters in Japan and beat most of the top fighters in K-1, Shooto, and Hero’s. He had stellar power and was extremely fan friendly, so I understand if you’ll be mad at me for saying this…
Kid Yamamoto sucks. He is not a good fighter anymore. He’s not a top 25 bantamweight and he’s not even a top 50 bantamweight. He hasn’t defeated a relevant fighter since December 2007 and is now 0-2 in the UFC. I don’t know if Yamamoto’s game has been impacted by personal issues or injuries, but this is not the same fighter having gone 1-4 since his return to MMA in 2009.
This isn’t to take anything away from Darren Uyenoyama, who showed off some fantastic grappling and looked pretty great last night. He came close to submitting Kid and was in control for the duration of this bout
Featherweight: Ricardo Lamas d. Cub Swanson (Submission – Round 2, 2:16)
Swanson was in control for most of his UFC debut and looked pretty impressive, but he ended up getting caught by Ricardo Lamas in an arm triangle choke. Certainly a disappointing debut for Cub, while Lamas is now 2-0 in the UFC and 6-2 if you include his WEC stint. Lamas could see a step up in competition based on this win.
Featherweight: Robert Peralta d. Mackens Semerzier (TKO – Round 3, 1:54)
First, this was one fight where Joe and Mike didn’t know what the fuck they were talking about. They were talking about Robert Peralta like he’s some unproven prospect, when in actuality, this guy came into the fight on an eight fight winning streak which includes a win over Hiroyuki Takaya, a clear top 25 featherweight. And you’re talking about a bum like Mackens Semerzier as if he’s a step up in competition? Give me a fucking break.
This fight ended up being quite entertaining with Peralta largely getting the better of Semerzier. An exchange in the third round led to a TKO victory for Peralta, but replays showed that Peralta was successful on the strength of an accidental headbutt! How appropriate that on the eve of their first Fox card, a fighter wins with a technique mastered by Mark Coleman in the mid-1990s. I don’t know if this win would possibly be overturned, so I’m anxious to see if anything happens there. Still, Peralta looked good and needs to see some increased competition. Tyson Griffin could be a good opponent.
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dos santos is going to fuck cain up ;D
last 2 fights = decisions. Cain last 2 fights are KO's in the 1st round. idk about fucking him up.
you will see
...i see that you were right
8)
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Agree about Mike Goldberg. The guy rarely gives us any useful information. He points out the obvious and a lot of time is incorrect. I laugh at those instances where he says something stupid and Joe Rogan corrects him. He also repeats himself several times through each fight. Like when pointing out that one fighter is a great wrestler from such and such university. He'll repeat that tidbit 5 times during the fight. I like Joe Rogan because he's very knowledgeable about what's going on, especially submissions. He knows when a submission is in deep or if the fighter is fine, and will say so. While Goldberg has no clue. Only thing about Rogan is he has a tendency to yell and be overzealous. Some of his post-fight interview questions are also unnecessary.
I can't see Velasquez fighting Carwin. Carwin has lost two fights in a row and needs a tune-up fight. Putting him up against the no 2 fighter in the world, when he's already lost to the guy Cain beat down is a bad idea. If he loses 3 in a row, that's grounds for him being canned, and the heavyweight division needs Carwin. He's the perfect gatekeeper.
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Mike Goldberg is good for two things: "HERE WE GO!" and "IT'S ALL OVER!"
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Agree about Mike Goldberg. The guy rarely gives us any useful information. He points out the obvious and a lot of time is incorrect. I laugh at those instances where he says something stupid and Joe Rogan corrects him. He also repeats himself several times through each fight. Like when pointing out that one fighter is a great wrestler from such and such university. He'll repeat that tidbit 5 times during the fight. I like Joe Rogan because he's very knowledgeable about what's going on, especially submissions. He knows when a submission is in deep or if the fighter is fine, and will say so. While Goldberg has no clue. Only thing about Rogan is he has a tendency to yell and be overzealous. Some of his post-fight interview questions are also unnecessary.
I can't see Velasquez fighting Carwin. Carwin has lost two fights in a row and needs a tune-up fight. Putting him up against the no 2 fighter in the world, when he's already lost to the guy Cain beat down is a bad idea. If he loses 3 in a row, that's grounds for him being canned, and the heavyweight division needs Carwin. He's the perfect gatekeeper.
He lost to the #1 & #3 HW cmon! #2 HW he can have the perfect trifecta of losses!
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I saw it on fox. That was quick. When JDS bombed on Cain, I was going...fool stay on him & defeat him. Seconds later he did & won.