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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: V2DHeart on December 18, 2011, 07:29:14 AM
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The last album Amaru did consider was an album titled "Pac's Kids" - An album featuring music enthusiasts within the TASF (Tupac Amaru Shakur Centre for the Arts) and was briefly mentioned as a consideration during the Afterschool Enrichment Class. It would be an album of unreleased 2Pac recordings featuring additional vocals from aspiring rappers, and production by students studying sound production. The idea behind it was pretty cool. It was an album of 2Pac's giving back to the youth by allowing them to appear on it. Afeni was really behind it, however it wasn't considered a big selling point by distributors, and necessary funding was seen as secondary to the actual development and running of the centre itself so the idea was scrapped
There were plans of videos around the centre, and submitted art work, and ideas solely from students at the centre, and other talented young individuals
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The last album Amaru did consider was an album titled "Pac's Kids" - An album featuring music enthusiasts within the TASF (Tupac Amaru Shakur Centre for the Arts) and was briefly mentioned as a consideration during the Afterschool Enrichment Class. It would be an album of unreleased 2Pac recordings featuring additional vocals from aspiring rappers, and production by students studying sound production. The idea behind it was pretty cool. It was an album of 2Pac's giving back to the youth by allowing them to appear on it. Afeni was really behind it, however it wasn't considered a big selling point by distributors, and necessary funding was seen as secondary to the actual development and running of the centre itself so the idea was scrapped
There were plans of videos around the centre, and submitted art work, and ideas solely from students at the centre, and other talented young individuals
This is the problem with having his mom in control of these projects (no disrespect). Put out a close to OG version of the album, and do a mixtape with the kids or something. Any real 2pac fan wants it OG.
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^^^right^^^
I don't wanna disrespect Afeni at all but she jah did fuck up Pac's legacy with her decisions. But if I was Pac I probably woulda just had momz handle my Estate so it's not like she's at fault 100%.
Pac was already herold as a Hero from all walks of life but for some reason she tried to turn Pac into that he wasn't and it backfired. "R U Still Down" was the shit and all but after that it was pretty much disappointments from there on out (maybe with the exceptions of some movies here and there).
The real problem is she didn't stick to the winning formula that Pac had invested his energy into and created, she just thought that updating his instrumentals and guest appearances would suffice but NOT ONCE did anybody anywhere whether in the Streets on the Internet EVER co-sign new producers and newer artists featured on his tracks. All of that was solely Afeni and Amaru's decision and fault and it's why they've dwindled the 2Pac Shakur brand over the years (significantly i should add). Now Pac's remixed album are virtually worthless and uninteresting and nobody's really checking for em (sorry but i have to tell tha truth). it's been just abuncha shitty remixes thrown ontop of timeless music.
Even when i was a Pre-Teen and i didn't know shit about marketing or Hip Hop like that I knew not to fuck with Pac's music and if u did all it would is backfire on u. "Ballad Of A Dead Soulja" and a few other tracks past "Greatest Hits" were the only really good Pac tracks released after his transition.
I'm not saying that he's outta tha paint completely but there's really been no reason to stick around for Pac other than the reason of it being Pac. 10 years from now EVERYBODY will be playing the Original 2Pac Shakur collection (with the exception of very few songs here and there) and that's not just becuz the 90's gets more love nuertally but becuz that's the bulk of quality Makaveli music.
with that said God Bless 2Pac
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^^^right^^^
I don't wanna disrespect Afeni at all but she jah did fuck up Pac's legacy with her decisions. But if I was Pac I probably woulda just had momz handle my Estate so it's not like she's at fault 100%.
Pac was already herold as a Hero from all walks of life but for some reason she tried to turn Pac into that he wasn't and it backfired. "R U Still Down" was the shit and all but after that it was pretty much disappointments from there on out (maybe with the exceptions of some movies here and there).
The real problem is she didn't stick to the winning formula that Pac had invested his energy into and created, she just thought that updating his instrumentals and guest appearances would suffice but NOT ONCE did anybody anywhere whether in the Streets on the Internet EVER co-sign new producers and newer artists featured on his tracks. All of that was solely Afeni and Amaru's decision and fault and it's why they've dwindled the 2Pac Shakur brand over the years (significantly i should add). Now Pac's remixed album are virtually worthless and uninteresting and nobody's really checking for em (sorry but i have to tell tha truth). it's been just abuncha shitty remixes thrown ontop of timeless music.
Even when i was a Pre-Teen and i didn't know shit about marketing or Hip Hop like that I knew not to fuck with Pac's music and if u did all it would is backfire on u. "Ballad Of A Dead Soulja" and a few other tracks past "Greatest Hits" were the only really good Pac tracks released after his transition.
I'm not saying that he's outta tha paint completely but there's really been no reason to stick around for Pac other than the reason of it being Pac. 10 years from now EVERYBODY will be playing the Original 2Pac Shakur collection (with the exception of very few songs here and there) and that's not just becuz the 90's gets more love nuertally but becuz that's the bulk of quality Makaveli music.
with that said God Bless 2Pac
you have finally voiced an opinion i can co-sign...well said man
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Nigga there's alotta shit you agree with me on, you're just too Coon'd Up to admit it or see it. It's all good tho, "it's just the Internet".
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:-X
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This would have been a good album, and a completely different take on a retail 2Pac release. Similar, but unlike The Rose That Grew from Concrete, it would contain student involvement on a more creative level than just rapping out 2Pac poetry. It would be their own, as well as previously unreleased 2Pac verses included on tracks.
Pretty much everything from song arrangement, verses, production, mixing, CD art work, video concepts to street promotion would all be done by centre for the arts students. It would be like a creative student project "featuring" 2Pac, than a 2Pac album featuring kids, if that makes sense, but obviously the marketing would have likely been different to sell it. Afeni and others at Amaru were really behind it
That was one idea of what to do with the remaining 45 unreleased tracks they have left, some of which are incomplete and unfinished
The future of Amaru and the 45 unreleased Tupac songs is to do the same as above but on a far smaller scale, by using a handful of tracks at a time rather than releasing full retail albums.
Amaru have NO intention of releasing any more "new" 2Pac albums. They may in the future decide to re-release the existing catalogue remastered with the latest technology at that time, remixes of earlier work/albums, or assisting music to documentaries, which will contain existing 2Pac songs that are already out there
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There is way more then just 45 tracks i myself have about 60 unreleased tracks there's about 50-60 death row era tracks still hasnt been released and predeathrow there's over 150 left. I remember Tyrese was being interviewed by MTV and he was talking about when he met afeni and she told him that Tupac recorded more than 500 tracks. So they def still have tons of music left.
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I can assure you, Amaru only have the rights to 45 unreleased recordings as of now. That's directly from a source at Amaru
Not every unreleased track with 2Pac on it is owned by the estate. They may, with the power of law, be able to dictate on how his vocals are used
I'd like you to list those 60 previously unreleased Death Row era tracks you claim to have.............
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nerd wars.
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This would have been a good album, and a completely different take on a retail 2Pac release. Similar, but unlike The Rose That Grew from Concrete, it would contain student involvement on a more creative level than just rapping out 2Pac poetry. It would be their own, as well as previously unreleased 2Pac verses included on tracks.
Pretty much everything from song arrangement, verses, production, mixing, CD art work, video concepts to street promotion would all be done by centre for the arts students. It would be like a creative student project "featuring" 2Pac, than a 2Pac album featuring kids, if that makes sense, but obviously the marketing would have likely been different to sell it. Afeni and others at Amaru were really behind it
That was one idea of what to do with the remaining 45 unreleased tracks they have left, some of which are incomplete and unfinished
The future of Amaru and the 45 unreleased Tupac songs is to do the same as above but on a far smaller scale, by using a handful of tracks at a time rather than releasing full retail albums.
Amaru have NO intention of releasing any more "new" 2Pac albums. They may in the future decide to re-release the existing catalogue remastered with the latest technology at that time, remixes of earlier work/albums, or assisting music to documentaries, which will contain existing 2Pac songs that are already out there
Not a good business move as we mentioned above. She needs to release them as 2Pac albums as there are still plenty of fans out there. We can't have some kids messing around with a legends stuff. Look at the flack Eminem got for going Loyal To The Game. That alone should say something.
I understand she wants to help the kids. Do an album without 2Pac on it for them. Don't waste a legends talent over some kids.
This is even upsetting hearing about this. Afeni should be ashamed of herself for this idea.
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The real problem is she didn't stick to the winning formula that Pac had invested his energy into and created, she just thought that updating his instrumentals and guest appearances would suffice but NOT ONCE did anybody anywhere whether in the Streets on the Internet EVER co-sign new producers and newer artists featured on his tracks. All of that was solely Afeni and Amaru's decision and fault and it's why they've dwindled the 2Pac Shakur brand over the years (significantly i should add). Now Pac's remixed album are virtually worthless and uninteresting and nobody's really checking for em (sorry but i have to tell tha truth). it's been just abuncha shitty remixes thrown ontop of timeless music.
That's where you're wrong. They may not have been the albums that 2Pac fans wanted, but Afeni got 6 platinum albums from the way she ran things. How can you not call that a success?
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It was a success. But at what cost?
You'd be a moron to not already know that a posthumous 2pac album would sell. 10 years from now folks will be playing all of Pac's original material, not some Jazze Pha or Frank Nitti remix with a feature that woulda only worked if Pac was alive. Like I said, some songs are alright, but the bulk of Pac's work released after 99' isnt that great. The instrumentals and the guest appearances are all fucked up.
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Jack and Leslie Johnson are where they belong.
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It was a success. But at what cost?
You'd be a moron to not already know that a posthumous 2pac album would sell. 10 years from now folks will be playing all of Pac's original material, not some Jazze Pha or Frank Nitti remix with a feature that woulda only worked if Pac was alive. Like I said, some songs are alright, but the bulk of Pac's work released after 99' isnt that great. The instrumentals and the guest appearances are all fucked up.
Maybe it's harsh, but this is nothing but the truth.
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Ghetto Gospel and Runnin' (dyin to live) were and still will be memorable for years to come
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Jack and Leslie Johnson are where they belong.
Shiiit. They good in my book. And frankly they don't get enough praise. They brought jobs/careers over here for PG County residents for atleast the next 30 years. Jack did his thing the best way he could've IMO. If it was up to me I might've handled it a little differently but I'm not mad at Jack and Leslie for trying. If they were white they wouldn't have gotten this much punishment but since they're Black we're supposed to act like he's some major big time criminal and he's done something no other politician has done.
I'm familiar with Blago but he was trying to sell Barack's seat, u just don't sell the Presidents seat like that and not expect to get caught smh. Jack brought jobs/careers to the hood tho, I love that. He broke bread with the Mafia and trickled it down to the Blacks, yay for the Johnsons.
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This would have been a good album, and a completely different take on a retail 2Pac release. Similar, but unlike The Rose That Grew from Concrete, it would contain student involvement on a more creative level than just rapping out 2Pac poetry. It would be their own, as well as previously unreleased 2Pac verses included on tracks.
Pretty much everything from song arrangement, verses, production, mixing, CD art work, video concepts to street promotion would all be done by centre for the arts students. It would be like a creative student project "featuring" 2Pac, than a 2Pac album featuring kids, if that makes sense, but obviously the marketing would have likely been different to sell it. Afeni and others at Amaru were really behind it
IMO this sounds more like the recipe for a massive train wreck than a good album.
It was a success. But at what cost?
You'd be a moron to not already know that a posthumous 2pac album would sell. 10 years from now folks will be playing all of Pac's original material, not some Jazze Pha or Frank Nitti remix with a feature that woulda only worked if Pac was alive. Like I said, some songs are alright, but the bulk of Pac's work released after 99' isnt that great. The instrumentals and the guest appearances are all fucked up.
Jazze Pha did a great job with his tracks on "Better Dayz". "U Can Call" and "Fair Xchange" were better than the OG's. Nitty's version of "Still Ballin'" was better than the OG (talking about the beat, not Trick Daddy's appearance).
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I hear u but you're missing the point. And even tho I disagree with you about those songs the general consensus is already out. They smeared 2pac's work and it's the reason why Pac isn't where he needs to be.
Once Eminem made "loyal to tha game" it was like enough is enough. Even "Better Dayz" should've seen better dayz. They squiggled all over my mans Art. It's like putting touch ups on the Mona Lisa (in tha same context).
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I hear u but you're missing the point. And even tho I disagree with you about those songs the general consensus is already out. They smeared 2pac's work and it's the reason why Pac isn't where he needs to be.
Once Eminem made "loyal to tha game" it was like enough is enough. Even "Better Dayz" should've seen better dayz. They squiggled all over my mans Art. It's like putting touch ups on the Mona Lisa (in tha same context).
It costs less to pay a Producer for a new beat than it would to pay for a sample to be cleared, and then pay publishing on the track once it's released. It saved, and made, Amaru/Death Row/Interscope money to have a producer come in and do a new beat than keep the original and have to split the pie in more directions.
Those three tracks I mentioned ("U Can Call", "Fair Xchange", and "Still Ballin'" beat) are better than the originals.
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Pac's Kids?
I just threw up.
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Those three tracks I mentioned ("U Can Call", "Fair Xchange", and "Still Ballin'" beat) are better than the originals.
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I agree on those tracks (U Can Call was dope). However Trick Daddy didn't need to be there, they should have left Kurupt. This was a marketing move, and trying to get the younger fans to dig it. Thugs Mansion with Nas was just riditious. I like Nas, but as a true 2Pac fan I can't deal with that. Also, chopping the Outlaws out of songs, etc, just bad.
Johnny J cleaned up some of 2Pac tracks on a few of the albums. He knew what 2Pac wanted, so those came out like the OG with a mastered quality. Most of 2Pac tracks weren't finished, so yeah they need to be cleaned up. But to what extreme? Eminem on N.I.G.G.A? Come on.
I just kick back and listen to Leave Had A Friend Like Me, Staring Thru The Rearview, Made Niggas, and that was the sound toward the end. To bad Johnny J passed because he was working on a handful of shit that was unreleased.
RIP 2PAC....Hope to hear some more stuff but I'm not excited due to the lack of respect for the fans.
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Those three tracks I mentioned ("U Can Call", "Fair Xchange", and "Still Ballin'" beat) are better than the originals.
I agree on those tracks (U Can Call was dope). However Trick Daddy didn't need to be there, they should have left Kurupt. This was a marketing move, and trying to get the younger fans to dig it. Thugs Mansion with Nas was just riditious. I like Nas, but as a true 2Pac fan I can't deal with that. Also, chopping the Outlaws out of songs, etc, just bad.
Johnny J cleaned up some of 2Pac tracks on a few of the albums. He knew what 2Pac wanted, so those came out like the OG with a mastered quality. Most of 2Pac tracks weren't finished, so yeah they need to be cleaned up. But to what extreme? Eminem on N.I.G.G.A? Come on.
I just kick back and listen to Leave Had A Friend Like Me, Staring Thru The Rearview, Made Niggas, and that was the sound toward the end. To bad Johnny J passed because he was working on a handful of shit that was unreleased.
I mentioned it in an earlier post, I didn't like them putting Trick Daddy in there. Definitely should have kept Kurupt in there. The 2002 mix w/Kurupt sounds much better than the OG and the one released on Better Dayz.
http://hulkshare.com/obs892285f3o
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Those three tracks I mentioned ("U Can Call", "Fair Xchange", and "Still Ballin'" beat) are better than the originals.
I agree on those tracks (U Can Call was dope). However Trick Daddy didn't need to be there, they should have left Kurupt. This was a marketing move, and trying to get the younger fans to dig it. Thugs Mansion with Nas was just riditious. I like Nas, but as a true 2Pac fan I can't deal with that. Also, chopping the Outlaws out of songs, etc, just bad.
Johnny J cleaned up some of 2Pac tracks on a few of the albums. He knew what 2Pac wanted, so those came out like the OG with a mastered quality. Most of 2Pac tracks weren't finished, so yeah they need to be cleaned up. But to what extreme? Eminem on N.I.G.G.A? Come on.
I just kick back and listen to Leave Had A Friend Like Me, Staring Thru The Rearview, Made Niggas, and that was the sound toward the end. To bad Johnny J passed because he was working on a handful of shit that was unreleased.
I mentioned it in an earlier post, I didn't like them putting Trick Daddy in there. Definitely should have kept Kurupt in there. The 2002 mix w/Kurupt sounds much better than the OG and the one released on Better Dayz.
http://hulkshare.com/obs892285f3o
Right !
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I hear u but you're missing the point. And even tho I disagree with you about those songs the general consensus is already out. They smeared 2pac's work and it's the reason why Pac isn't where he needs to be.
Once Eminem made "loyal to tha game" it was like enough is enough. Even "Better Dayz" should've seen better dayz. They squiggled all over my mans Art. It's like putting touch ups on the Mona Lisa (in tha same context).
It costs less to pay a Producer for a new beat than it would to pay for a sample to be cleared, and then pay publishing on the track once it's released. It saved, and made, Amaru/Death Row/Interscope money to have a producer come in and do a new beat than keep the original and have to split the pie in more directions.
Right ::)
But what does that have to do with the music being sub-par
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I can't even subscribe to the idea that Pac's legacy was ever in trouble of being fucked with, no matter how well or poorly his posthumous musical catalog is handled. Truthfully, they are probably better off giving the unreleased shit some time off. I mean, let's be real, you aren't going to make or break a legacy with them remix projects, any more than people's perceptions of Bruce Lee are going to be changed by them ridicilous "Game Of Death" movies they scrapped together after he died. The music he created while he was alive is always going to be his bread and butter. It's the same with John Lennon, Bob Marley, Michael Jackson, Marvin Gaye, Jimi Hendrix, whoever.
That "Greatest Hits" project kept his music going for awhile and the "Resurrection" movie added even more years to it. As is, they supposedly have a biopic in the works. We've had everyone and their fucking sister flooding the market with either official or unoffical collabos with Pac for the last decade and change, thanks to Afeni and Suge. The die-hard Pac fans been hearing all the leaks and bootlegs so what is the problem? Nobody fucking forgot about Tupac.
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Jazze Pha did a great job with his tracks on "Better Dayz". "U Can Call" and "Fair Xchange" were better than the OG's. Nitty's version of "Still Ballin'" was better than the OG (talking about the beat, not Trick Daddy's appearance).
u smokin crack??????? them OGs are 100X better than the remixes on the released cds. WTF! the fair exchange OG is exspecially the SHIZNIT!!!!
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I can't even subscribe to the idea that Pac's legacy was ever in trouble of being fucked with, no matter how well or poorly his posthumous musical catalog is handled. Truthfully, they are probably better off giving the unreleased shit some time off. I mean, let's be real, you aren't going to make or break a legacy with them remix projects, The music he created while he was alive is always going to be his bread and butter. It's the same with John Lennon, Bob Marley, Michael Jackson, Marvin Gaye, Jimi Hendrix, whoever.
That "Greatest Hits" project kept his music going for awhile and the "Resurrection" movie added even more years to it. As is, they supposedly have a biopic in the works.
his LEGACY cannot be hurt by the remix albums that have put out. i agree 110%. and the greatest hits and the movie only help cement it. yeah theres some bullshit music out there, but 99% of people who hear it know it aint the real shit. and if you dont know your too ignorant and it wont matter what u think bout pac.
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Jazze Pha did a great job with his tracks on "Better Dayz". "U Can Call" and "Fair Xchange" were better than the OG's. Nitty's version of "Still Ballin'" was better than the OG (talking about the beat, not Trick Daddy's appearance).
u smokin crack??????? them OGs are 100X better than the remixes on the released cds. WTF! the fair exchange OG is exspecially the SHIZNIT!!!!
IMO the OG of "Fair Xchange" was nothing special. I liked the OG of "U Can Call", but Jazze Pha brought some life into both tracks. As far as "Still Ballin'", you gotta be smoking crack to think the OG beat is even approaching the same league as the Better Dayz beat. There are a lot of people that feel this way outside this forum.
Although for the record, I liked the remix of "Changed Man", but still preferred the OG w/Nate Dogg and Syke over the remix.
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Jazze Pha did a great job with his tracks on "Better Dayz". "U Can Call" and "Fair Xchange" were better than the OG's. Nitty's version of "Still Ballin'" was better than the OG (talking about the beat, not Trick Daddy's appearance).
u smokin crack??????? them OGs are 100X better than the remixes on the released cds. WTF! the fair exchange OG is exspecially the SHIZNIT!!!!
IMO the OG of "Fair Xchange" was nothing special. I liked the OG of "U Can Call", but Jazze Pha brought some life into both tracks. As far as "Still Ballin'", you gotta be smoking crack to think the OG beat is even approaching the same league as the Better Dayz beat. There are a lot of people that feel this way outside this forum.
Although for the record, I liked the remix of "Changed Man", but still preferred the OG w/Nate Dogg and Syke over the remix.
U Can Call was better with the new track. That shit was nice. Still Ballin' was a tight beat and made 2Pac sound better on the new beat. These producers did justice. They just need to lay off the cameos with these new dudes. Put the Outlaws or the original people in. Also trying to adjust his locals with Pac saying "Trick" instead of Kurupt was pretty sad. Eminem also did this on his 2pac shit. It's all about putting newer people on the track so it sells to the youngsters.
Changed Man for sure on the OG. I wonder why they took Nate off. That's a shame. Fuck it, we got the OG.
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I mentioned it in an earlier post, I didn't like them putting Trick Daddy in there. Definitely should have kept Kurupt in there. The 2002 mix w/Kurupt sounds much better than the OG and the one released on Better Dayz.
http://hulkshare.com/obs892285f3o
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Thanks for that remix bro. I didn't have that one. That's awesome how they put that together perfect.
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All those 3 albums (Until The End of Time, Better Dayz, Pac's Life) were apart of a bigger planned project beforehand. It's unfortunate that they came out the way that they did, in seperate releases.
I would have selected all the strongest possible tracks on all 3 releases to make a solid double disc release. Sure those albums had some songs on them that may have been a little unpleasant or unlikeable to a lot of fans, but no one can deny that those albums had some of 2Pac's greatest songs on them:
Better Dayz - Ron Isley addition was a terrific choice
This Aint Livin - Much more fresh, and IMO, much more relative to the lyrics in terms of production
Playa Cards Right - Nice mellow track, Ludacris fitted in nicely
Never Call u Bitch Again - Whole new song altogether. Improved
Soon as I Get Home - Classic 2Pac sound
Ballad of a Dead Soulja a Jewel. Under-rated. People forget about this when discussing posthumous 2Pac work
Everything They Owe, and Letter to my Unborn are others. There are good tracks out there, and people need to recognise them, rather than the few that weren't so good