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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: LAC/EASTSIDE on January 04, 2012, 09:37:41 PM
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Knowing 50's past, I wonder if he would start some Beef with Slim over this. I think Slim is on point with what he said. 50 has ruined shit before, over some stupid shit!
http://www.youtube.com//v/OlLviojmseo
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I've really grown to respect Slim the past 6-7 months and I'm actually anticipating his new shit now. Last year I thought he was pure trash. Sounds like a smart guy too. Definitely has the 50 swagger going on.
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Well spoken.
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The only reason I thought this was interesting was because this is the first time I've heard someone from the Aftermath/G-Unit/Shady camp actually say that 50 disrespected the camp (not in those words). UNless someone else said this. I never heard Em or Dre say this or call that bitch out for ruining what they had in the past.
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This is old, 50 already spoke on it saying he has to speak to Dre to see where it stems from, nothing happened since
"Fif addresses recent comments made by Dr. Dre's artist alleging that the G-Unit general forgot how to make street records.
Dr. Dre mentee Slim The Mobster recently suggested that 50 Cent "forgot what it was to make a street record." Predictably, 50 addressed the issue, telling DJ Whoo Kid his planned course of action on Shade 45.
"[Y]ou don't really know what he's thinking," said 50 of Dre. "I don't know what's going on. If I'm there [with Dre], I can feel what's going on. Other than that, I don't know."
"I just seen a clip online of one of the artists saying something crazy," he continued, speaking about Slim. "Yeah. I can't remember the guy's name. He said something. It's one of Dre's new artists. He said something but I don't know where it comes from so I'll have a conversation with Dre before I jump the gun." "
http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/news/id.17926/title.50-cent-talks-slim-the-mobster-comments (http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/news/id.17926/title.50-cent-talks-slim-the-mobster-comments)
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Wasn't Slim supposed to be on G-Unit as well? Guess not.
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I think that the Big 10 is better than war music.
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slim vs 50 ? ;D fuck outta here. all 50 has to do is show a quarter of his bank account and its game over. 50 just cut a new deal with Pepsi, slim just dropped a mixtape that aftermath didn't even care to push.
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Wasn't Slim supposed to be on G-Unit as well? Guess not.
lol.
im sure 50 knows his name though, he's just trying to make himself look big
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Man I forgot about how much drama there is in rap. He said she said Ima whoop dat ass bla bla bla. Dam this shit is worse than Jersey SHORE ::)
I always laugh too when rappers complain about catching a bad rap lol. They say why is rap music always targeted, why is it always picked on. Is it cuz we're black? Is it cuz they're racist? Fuck no you idiots its because you shoot each other, sell drugs, and have 8 different kids from 8 different women like Busta and Ol Dirty. Sheeett... entertaining and lame at the same time. ;D
Also to above how many ppl are shooting each other in the punk, country and pop rock scene lol.
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Man I forgot about how much drama there is in rap. He said she said Ima whoop dat ass bla bla bla. Dam this shit is worse than Jersey SHORE ::)
I always laugh too when rappers complain about catching a bad rap lol. They say why is rap music always targeted, why is it always picked on. Is it cuz we're black? Is it cuz they're racist? Fuck no you idiots its because you shoot each other, sell drugs, and have 8 different kids from 8 different women like Busta and Ol Dirty. Sheeett... entertaining and lame at the same time. ;D
Also to above how many ppl are shooting each other in the punk, country and pop rock scene lol.
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I think 'War Music' had better songs than BISD, Fif really forgot how to make street records
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I think 'War Music' had better songs than BISD, Fif really forgot how to make street records
Yea but I agree with what Slim said, how you supposed to make street records if your rich as fuck? 50 prolly has a butler, a chaffuer, cleaning lady and a guy that folds his laundry. He prolly has rich hobbies now too like golf and skeet shooting.
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I think 'War Music' had better songs than BISD, Fif really forgot how to make street records
Yea but I agree with what Slim said, how you supposed to make street records if your rich as fuck? 50 prolly has a butler, a chaffuer, cleaning lady and a guy that folds his laundry. He prolly has rich hobbies now too like golf and skeet shooting.
50 was in the streets heavy for the majority of his life, it's not just something you forget. How do Nas and Jigga still do the same? Rick Ross was never in the streets and he makes street records. It's easy to put yourself in the state of mind when you were younger all you gotta do is think of specific memories.
By the quality of The Big Ten 50 definitely still has some bangers up his sleeve.
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I think 'War Music' had better songs than BISD, Fif really forgot how to make street records
Yea but I agree with what Slim said, how you supposed to make street records if your rich as fuck? 50 prolly has a butler, a chaffuer, cleaning lady and a guy that folds his laundry. He prolly has rich hobbies now too like golf and skeet shooting.
50 was in the streets heavy for the majority of his life, it's not just something you forget. How do Nas and Jigga still do the same? Rick Ross was never in the streets and he makes street records. It's easy to put yourself in the state of mind when you were younger all you gotta do is think of specific memories.
By the quality of The Big Ten 50 definitely still has some bangers up his sleeve.
Yea I guess your right... Dre and Snoop are like the Al Pacino and DeNiro of gangster rap.
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funeral music with jayo felony should have been on war music
favorite song last year , beat is classic !
https://www.youtube.com/v/vWHirlJPZeM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWHirlJPZeM)
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funeral music with jayo felony should have been on war music
favorite song last year , beat is classic !
https://www.youtube.com/v/vWHirlJPZeM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWHirlJPZeM)
I agree with you, that shit is a monster.
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I don't think Slim is worrying about how much money 50 makes. Slim does his shit and 50 does him. Im just wondering if 50 will start drama after Slim practically called him out for busting that bitch move. I always felt Eminem was too much of a pussy to let 50 know he was being a fucking idiot in the past. Dre wasn't going to say shit either. Slim is really the first dude to say 50 disrespected the camp. 50 trying to sell his fucking headphones is another example. The beef 50 created with Game, Nas, Jada, Fat Joe, Buck, was completely unnecessary. The Ja rule beef was personal, so I understand that but the rest were pure stupidity. What's funny is that 50 considers himself a savvy business man but that move had to be one of the dumbest in the business sense. G-Unit would have still made money with Game and could have had collaborations with the rest of those guys. Instead he ruined the team and it obviously spread to the top. Ultimately Em and Dre suffered too. 50 could have made more millions on the music side and still have the money with that lucky Vitamin water deal. After that, G-Unit fell off! When that shit happened, I was fucking pissed off. I'm glad Slim put him on blast. With time I realized that 50 was not the dude I thought he was. That fool is unpredictable. Unless you suck his balls and ass daily like Tony Yayo, that fool is unpredictable.
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I think 'War Music' had better songs than BISD, Fif really forgot how to make street records
oh please haha
I could see 50 x Slim collabo dissin' officer Ricky.
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I think 'War Music' had better songs than BISD, Fif really forgot how to make street records
Yea but I agree with what Slim said, how you supposed to make street records if your rich as fuck? 50 prolly has a butler, a chaffuer, cleaning lady and a guy that folds his laundry. He prolly has rich hobbies now too like golf and skeet shooting.
yeah, but isn't slim backing away from the 'street' life?
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I think 'War Music' had better songs than BISD, Fif really forgot how to make street records
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I don't think Slim is worrying about how much money 50 makes. Slim does his shit and 50 does him. Im just wondering if 50 will start drama after Slim practically called him out for busting that bitch move. I always felt Eminem was too much of a pussy to let 50 know he was being a fucking idiot in the past. Dre wasn't going to say shit either. Slim is really the first dude to say 50 disrespected the camp. 50 trying to sell his fucking headphones is another example. The beef 50 created with Game, Nas, Jada, Fat Joe, Buck, was completely unnecessary. The Ja rule beef was personal, so I understand that but the rest were pure stupidity. What's funny is that 50 considers himself a savvy business man but that move had to be one of the dumbest in the business sense. G-Unit would have still made money with Game and could have had collaborations with the rest of those guys. Instead he ruined the team and it obviously spread to the top. Ultimately Em and Dre suffered too. 50 could have made more millions on the music side and still have the money with that lucky Vitamin water deal. After that, G-Unit fell off! When that shit happened, I was fucking pissed off. I'm glad Slim put him on blast. With time I realized that 50 was not the dude I thought he was. That fool is unpredictable. Unless you suck his balls and ass daily like Tony Yayo, that fool is unpredictable.
I can't say I see the Game situation as bad business. It is the only time I can think of where 50 pulled back on a situation publicly and offered an olive branch and Game still bit him. Since then, Game has gone back and forth on the issue and 50 has stayed consistent. Yes, the rift fucked up a lot of money over there but the fact was 50 put a lot of resources toward that Game project and making it a hit. The moment, Game's career was strong enough to work without G-Unit, he distanced himself from them at a time when 50 was promoting his next album. You can't do that. The vibe with 50 over there at Interscope now is getting a little crazy though.
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I don't think Slim is worrying about how much money 50 makes. Slim does his shit and 50 does him. Im just wondering if 50 will start drama after Slim practically called him out for busting that bitch move. I always felt Eminem was too much of a pussy to let 50 know he was being a fucking idiot in the past. Dre wasn't going to say shit either. Slim is really the first dude to say 50 disrespected the camp. 50 trying to sell his fucking headphones is another example. The beef 50 created with Game, Nas, Jada, Fat Joe, Buck, was completely unnecessary. The Ja rule beef was personal, so I understand that but the rest were pure stupidity. What's funny is that 50 considers himself a savvy business man but that move had to be one of the dumbest in the business sense. G-Unit would have still made money with Game and could have had collaborations with the rest of those guys. Instead he ruined the team and it obviously spread to the top. Ultimately Em and Dre suffered too. 50 could have made more millions on the music side and still have the money with that lucky Vitamin water deal. After that, G-Unit fell off! When that shit happened, I was fucking pissed off. I'm glad Slim put him on blast. With time I realized that 50 was not the dude I thought he was. That fool is unpredictable. Unless you suck his balls and ass daily like Tony Yayo, that fool is unpredictable.
I can't say I see the Game situation as bad business. It is the only time I can think of where 50 pulled back on a situation publicly and offered an olive branch and Game still bit him. Since then, Game has gone back and forth on the issue and 50 has stayed consistent. Yes, the rift fucked up a lot of money over there but the fact was 50 put a lot of resources toward that Game project and making it a hit. The moment, Game's career was strong enough to work without G-Unit, he distanced himself from them at a time when 50 was promoting his next album. You can't do that. The vibe with 50 over there at Interscope now is getting a little crazy though.
You got a point homie but I believe they both suffered. You had a split of G-Unit fans. That G-Unot shit started and surprisingly many heads were riding with Game. Like you said, Game's career was strong enough to work without 50. That alone was great for him if you consider what 50 did to Ja Rule career. I think 50 thought he was going to do the same to Game but he held his own and that shit backfired on 50. No doubt 50 still did his thing but the guy fell the fuck off also to the point where he drastically had to change his style and now does love songs. If they would have stuck together, you would have another G-Unit album probably breaking the sales of the first (since Game would be on it) and they could have collaborated with outsiders and their own camp. I still don't understand how Game bit 50? Their beef started only because Game chose not to follow and diss certain people. Why the fuck would he do that ha? Why would he diss Nas? Only because 50 was on his rag and decided to go at a couple of dudes for no reason? That's lame. Sure 50 put his resources towards Game project but that would be the same case for 50. Em and Dre did the same for him and he repays them by starting this crap? Dre commented on it once and said they both blew shit loads of money off some stupid shit but in reality Dre knows it was 50 being an idiot.
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Game's career was strong enough to work without 50 because 50's help made him that strong. That's where it becomes a problem. As great a producer and talent developer as Dre is, G-Unit were the movement and 50 knew how to get that project working and "Hate It or Love It" was a 50 Cent hit single. That was, in my opinion, his strongest record of that year, and he gave that to The Game for his album when he could have kept it for The Massacre. Nobody asked Game to diss Nas or any of them but the point was he distanced himself from the team that was doing that. The way the move went was he put himself in front of the boss so he could still have the fans without alienating whoever but that don't always work. And even then, 50 deaded it and he still came back with the "G-Unot" campaign. The beef started with Game going back on what he told Dre and starting that whole battle against G-Unit. And Game wasn't actually ever a member of the G-Unit group. He was on the label.
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Game's career was strong enough to work without 50 because 50's help made him that strong. That's where it becomes a problem. As great a producer and talent developer as Dre is, G-Unit were the movement and 50 knew how to get that project working and "Hate It or Love It" was a 50 Cent hit single. That was, in my opinion, his strongest record of that year, and he gave that to The Game for his album when he could have kept it for The Massacre. Nobody asked Game to diss Nas or any of them but the point was he distanced himself from the team that was doing that. The way the move went was he put himself in front of the boss so he could still have the fans without alienating whoever but that don't always work. And even then, 50 deaded it and he still came back with the "G-Unot" campaign. The beef started with Game going back on what he told Dre and starting that whole battle against G-Unit. And Game wasn't actually ever a member of the G-Unit group. He was on the label.
Speaking the truth here. Plus Game went at Bleek and Buddens when he was tryna build his buzz on the strength of his association with the Unit so to backflip once he was established is a contradiction of his prior character
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Game's career was strong enough to work without 50 because 50's help made him that strong. That's where it becomes a problem. As great a producer and talent developer as Dre is, G-Unit were the movement and 50 knew how to get that project working and "Hate It or Love It" was a 50 Cent hit single. That was, in my opinion, his strongest record of that year, and he gave that to The Game for his album when he could have kept it for The Massacre. Nobody asked Game to diss Nas or any of them but the point was he distanced himself from the team that was doing that. The way the move went was he put himself in front of the boss so he could still have the fans without alienating whoever but that don't always work. And even then, 50 deaded it and he still came back with the "G-Unot" campaign. The beef started with Game going back on what he told Dre and starting that whole battle against G-Unit. And Game wasn't actually ever a member of the G-Unit group. He was on the label.
Sure, 50 made him that strong but who made 50 strong? Em and Dre right? That 50/G-Unit "movement" would have never gone anywhere without Em and Dre. 50 had albums before Aftermath. Was he the man he was with Aftermath? Did he sell the same? Nope.
I don't remember hearing anyone say that Game had distanced himself from the team. I saw him in every video before that. Only because he had his own Black Wall Street label going on, doesn't mean there was segregation. You expect me to believe that grown ass men would not be able to understand their situations? Distanced himself in what way? What did he do exactly? I don't see Em with 50 all the time. Does that mean he distanced himself also?
50 didn't drop anything until waaaay after. He kept dissing Game in songs, interviews, etc etc. Game didn't back down and went on forever with the G-UNot beef. No way was Game going to listen to Dre and let 50 takes shots at him haha. Can you blame him? Shit, I think that's what kept his career alive. If Game was guilty of this than 50 is as well for disrespecting Em and Dre. Which is the pretty much what Slim said. The only reason Game was not "officially" a member of G-Unit was because of the beef. Game would yell G-UNIT more than anyone, had that shit tatted and was on the label. Too me, that makes him a member haha. It just didn't last because of the beef. The plans were already being made to have all the members of G-unit on the new album.
I guess we both have different opinions but I remember following that shit religiously due to fact that I was pissed they broke up. I'm not saying that Game was not at fault but in my opinion 50 was the primary reason the shit turned sour.
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Game's career was strong enough to work without 50 because 50's help made him that strong. That's where it becomes a problem. As great a producer and talent developer as Dre is, G-Unit were the movement and 50 knew how to get that project working and "Hate It or Love It" was a 50 Cent hit single. That was, in my opinion, his strongest record of that year, and he gave that to The Game for his album when he could have kept it for The Massacre. Nobody asked Game to diss Nas or any of them but the point was he distanced himself from the team that was doing that. The way the move went was he put himself in front of the boss so he could still have the fans without alienating whoever but that don't always work. And even then, 50 deaded it and he still came back with the "G-Unot" campaign. The beef started with Game going back on what he told Dre and starting that whole battle against G-Unit. And Game wasn't actually ever a member of the G-Unit group. He was on the label.
Speaking the truth here. Plus Game went at Bleek and Buddens when he was tryna build his buzz on the strength of his association with the Unit so to backflip once he was established is a contradiction of his prior character
The problem is not whether you have beef with an artist or a bum in the alley. Game had beef with Budden and Bleek but it was his OWN beef. I don't remember Game complaining or asking for G-Unit to get in the mix. 50 was mad because Game stated in a interview that he would NOT get involved in the beef with Nas, Jada and Joe. Shit exploded after that.
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Sure, 50 made him that strong but who made 50 strong? Em and Dre right? That 50/G-Unit "movement" would have never gone anywhere without Em and Dre. 50 had albums before Aftermath. Was he the man he was with Aftermath? Did he sell the same? Nope.
50’s first album was “Get Rich Or Die Tryin”. He recorded another one, “Power Of The Dollar” while he was at Columbia but they shelved it when they dropped him from the label after he got shot. And as I said before, Dre is a great developer of talent and producer when it comes to music but he didn’t create 50’s buzz, he added to it. By fall of 2002, before the 8-Mile soundtrack had even hit, 50’s hype was huge off the mixtape scene. He hadn’t even been signed but a few months. “8 Mile” and the “Wanksta” buzz fueled it further. Dre’s part was giving him the monster hit that was “In Da Club” that helped sell his first album but at that point, he was already getting 3-million-dollar label deals to start G-Unit with various different record companies. The G-Unit movement was already official. G-Unit was an official label before 50’s album hit stores. To put things in perspective, Em didn’t have a label deal for Shady until after Marshall Mathers LP broke sales record. Game still doesn’t have one. Dre’s greatest strength in all this was lending his production and giving him an artist co-sign. On the business level, you don’t even have to ask. 50 knew how to create momentum for his artists. They were taking records 50 had for months that he didn’t make with Dre and Em and putting them on “Get Rich”. The guy had a remarkable buzz. Plain and simple. Yes, being put on the team helped that but Stat Quo had the same Shady/Aftermath joint deal and he never even got released.
I don't remember hearing anyone say that Game had distanced himself from the team. I saw him in every video before that. Only because he had his own Black Wall Street label going on, doesn't mean there was segregation. You expect me to believe that grown ass men would not be able to understand their situations? Distanced himself in what way? What did he do exactly? I don't see Em with 50 all the time. Does that mean he distanced himself also?
I’m not talking about a literal distancing. Em has always been careful with his P.R. Let’s put it like this. You ever hear Eminem talk about working with people in the same conversation he’s addressing their problems with 50? It doesn’t happen. If you remember when Em’s own DJ got caught talking about how much he loved Jadakiss and D-Block dissing 50, he got removed from the team pretty quick after that. Em himself has never said anything derogatory about Fat Joe or Nas or any of them but he doesn’t create this public image that he will stand against 50’s moves because it’s not good for their business. When Game is still promoting an album on Interscope and G-Unit’s dollar and he’s doing an interview making a public statement that he is not with 50’s move, that is using the energy that 50 put into making him a star and turning it against 50. It would be like 50 after breaking a new sales record decided to go on the radio when Em was having that issue with The Source leaking that “Black Girls” tape and saying, “I’d still do a Source magazine cover. I don’t like what Em is doing with that and I don’t support it”. He is using the energy and momentum that being on that team created for him to get over even further at the expense of that team. In other words, the public statement read as “if you’re a fan of somebody who hates my team, you can still buy my album because I just make music with them.”
50 didn't drop anything until waaaay after. He kept dissing Game in songs, interviews, etc etc. Game didn't back down and went on forever with the G-UNot beef.
Not really. He did the one interview kicking him out of G-Unit and then things got heated for a minute. “Massacre” dropped on March 3 and they had their little beef-squashing press conference on March 9, the anniversary of Big’s death. I can’t think of any memorable interviews or diss records 50 put out before Game started the G-Unot campaign.
No way was Game going to listen to Dre and let 50 takes shots at him haha. Can you blame him?
It’s not my job to assign blame. However, Game has stated numerous times in song and interview that he made a promise to Dr. Dre that he wouldn’t diss G-Unit. That means not only did he listen to Dre and agree with him but gave his word to honor that. If it was no way he was going to do that, it’s pointless to make that promise. Again, when you’re going against your mentor to create mixtapes and DVD’s that are going to damage the career of an artist on your own label and the guy who invested millions to get your debut album on the shelves, it’s a bad business move.
If Game was guilty of this than 50 is as well for disrespecting Em and Dre. Which is the pretty much what Slim said.
Outside of the headphone deal, I don’t see any example of where this is the case at all. And if we’re going to do that comparison, it would be more like Game doing the Boost Mobil ad in 2004 which 50 took issue with but didn’t throw him off the label behind. I’m not saying it’s ever good to bite the hand that feeds you though.
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Sure, 50 made him that strong but who made 50 strong? Em and Dre right? That 50/G-Unit "movement" would have never gone anywhere without Em and Dre. 50 had albums before Aftermath. Was he the man he was with Aftermath? Did he sell the same? Nope.
50’s first album was “Get Rich Or Die Tryin”. He recorded another one, “Power Of The Dollar” while he was at Columbia but they shelved it when they dropped him from the label after he got shot. And as I said before, Dre is a great developer of talent and producer when it comes to music but he didn’t create 50’s buzz, he added to it. By fall of 2002, before the 8-Mile soundtrack had even hit, 50’s hype was huge off the mixtape scene. He hadn’t even been signed but a few months. “8 Mile” and the “Wanksta” buzz fueled it further. Dre’s part was giving him the monster hit that was “In Da Club” that helped sell his first album but at that point, he was already getting 3-million-dollar label deals to start G-Unit with various different record companies. The G-Unit movement was already official. G-Unit was an official label before 50’s album hit stores. To put things in perspective, Em didn’t have a label deal for Shady until after Marshall Mathers LP broke sales record. Game still doesn’t have one. Dre’s greatest strength in all this was lending his production and giving him an artist co-sign. On the business level, you don’t even have to ask. 50 knew how to create momentum for his artists. They were taking records 50 had for months that he didn’t make with Dre and Em and putting them on “Get Rich”. The guy had a remarkable buzz. Plain and simple. Yes, being put on the team helped that but Stat Quo had the same Shady/Aftermath joint deal and he never even got released.
I don't remember hearing anyone say that Game had distanced himself from the team. I saw him in every video before that. Only because he had his own Black Wall Street label going on, doesn't mean there was segregation. You expect me to believe that grown ass men would not be able to understand their situations? Distanced himself in what way? What did he do exactly? I don't see Em with 50 all the time. Does that mean he distanced himself also?
I’m not talking about a literal distancing. Em has always been careful with his P.R. Let’s put it like this. You ever hear Eminem talk about working with people in the same conversation he’s addressing their problems with 50? It doesn’t happen. If you remember when Em’s own DJ got caught talking about how much he loved Jadakiss and D-Block dissing 50, he got removed from the team pretty quick after that. Em himself has never said anything derogatory about Fat Joe or Nas or any of them but he doesn’t create this public image that he will stand against 50’s moves because it’s not good for their business. When Game is still promoting an album on Interscope and G-Unit’s dollar and he’s doing an interview making a public statement that he is not with 50’s move, that is using the energy that 50 put into making him a star and turning it against 50. It would be like 50 after breaking a new sales record decided to go on the radio when Em was having that issue with The Source leaking that “Black Girls” tape and saying, “I’d still do a Source magazine cover. I don’t like what Em is doing with that and I don’t support it”. He is using the energy and momentum that being on that team created for him to get over even further at the expense of that team. In other words, the public statement read as “if you’re a fan of somebody who hates my team, you can still buy my album because I just make music with them.”
50 didn't drop anything until waaaay after. He kept dissing Game in songs, interviews, etc etc. Game didn't back down and went on forever with the G-UNot beef.
Not really. He did the one interview kicking him out of G-Unit and then things got heated for a minute. “Massacre” dropped on March 3 and they had their little beef-squashing press conference on March 9, the anniversary of Big’s death. I can’t think of any memorable interviews or diss records 50 put out before Game started the G-Unot campaign.
No way was Game going to listen to Dre and let 50 takes shots at him haha. Can you blame him?
It’s not my job to assign blame. However, Game has stated numerous times in song and interview that he made a promise to Dr. Dre that he wouldn’t diss G-Unit. That means not only did he listen to Dre and agree with him but gave his word to honor that. If it was no way he was going to do that, it’s pointless to make that promise. Again, when you’re going against your mentor to create mixtapes and DVD’s that are going to damage the career of an artist on your own label and the guy who invested millions to get your debut album on the shelves, it’s a bad business move.
If Game was guilty of this than 50 is as well for disrespecting Em and Dre. Which is the pretty much what Slim said.
Outside of the headphone deal, I don’t see any example of where this is the case at all. And if we’re going to do that comparison, it would be more like Game doing the Boost Mobil ad in 2004 which 50 took issue with but didn’t throw him off the label behind. I’m not saying it’s ever good to bite the hand that feeds you though.
I never said Dre created his Buzz, I said he made him into a what he is NOW. Meaning a millionaire or A household name. The Papoose hype was huge in the mixtape scene as well. Did he make it? I can name more. I understand where you're coming from but I disagree that Dre and Em just helped. They made it happen! The way Aftermath was able to market his story was huge also. Wanksta and those other tracks were big in the streets but not the mainstream. Aftermath put his story and his music out, commercially. To be honest, 50's story (getting shot) helped him immensely. If Dre and Em wouldn't of picked him up, he would have gone nowhere. I won't deny that once 50 was at the top, he knew how to lead his brand and artist. I will agree with you on that. He did take G-Unit to the top and expanded from that. The question is, how did he get to the top? You know the answer.
Exactly! Eminem knows it's not good for business. I completely agree with you on that note. Maybe Game should have avoided the question or answered it in a different manner but would you disagree that Game was wrong? You said it yourself, Em never rode with 50 on all that fake beef. My point is that 50 started this. Let't put it like this, If 50 would have never dissed those dudes or got on that stupid trip, we would probably still have G-unit. Maybe even Detox! If I were 50, I would have handled it with Game personally and tried to snuff the situation. It could have been squashed easily. When it's all said and done, Game was not trying to diss anyone. 50's ego took over after that. Plus, the source award had legit beef with EM. Benzino was in the mix. But Did Nas, Joe, or Jada have beef with 50? Did they diss him first? It's much easier to ride for your team, knowing someone dissed your click for no apparent reason. 50 started drama for no fucking reason at all. This is why Dre and Em were pissed in the first place.
I agree with you 100% that Game did not keep his word. Dre did tell him not to diss 50 and It was bad business. But let's fast forward to the present. Game and Dre are still cool and 50 and Game are still acting like bitches. Ultimately Game did the smartest thing, taking account that the team was already ruined. I guarantee you that if Game would have not responded to 50, his career would've died right after that. Game was heading out the door whether he dissed 50 or not. They weren't going to let 50 go, considering the money he was bringing in and the buzz he was carrying. I believe Game had no choice but to counter 50. I believe it saved his career.
Well the headphone deal was the icing on the cake for me. The first disrespectful move towards Em and Dre was 50 being the drama queen, creating the situations that we've been talking about. The headphones is just another example of 50 proving to be an attention whore and not realizing what respect means. He created the animosity before hand. Let's say the Game incident would've never happened. You think Dre and Em liked 50 dissing the other cats? The only beef that should have been accepted was the Ja. That was real and personal. It was also beef that was present before he was at Aftermath. Even Game was dissing Ja! Everything after that was plain stupid. 50 didn't consider the people above him or beneath him. What if Buck or Banks wanted collabos with Nas or D-Block? What about Terror Squad? Nah they can't! Why? Because 50 was on his rag and decided that the attention he was getting was not enough. I don't know homie, I just feel that 50 was the creator.
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Guess we'll just have to disagree on this one. You're not likely to find a bigger fan of Dr. Dre than me but I find it really hard to believe that Aftermath were the ones pushing him on the marketing end. And Shady prior to bringing in 50 was putting their push behind Obie Trice, who noticeably went on the back-burner when 50 entered the picture. The guy was just "IT!". He put "Guess Who's Back" out in April 2002. This was the CD that Eminem would end up hearing that convinced him to sign him. 50's shit came out in early February 2003. 50 already had that buzz to where they could come in and build on it. What Dre did was give him the single to sell the album. The difference betwen 50 and these other guys who did the rounds on Shady and Aftermath was in marketing and management. As much as Dre and Em get the credit on the image, Chris Lighty and Violator were doing their fucking work to get that guy going. That's why these other mixtape kids didn't get the same thing going. That's why 50 Cent was able to put his name on so many business ventures because he's a strong-ass business man and he would have been that with or without Dr. Dre and Eminem. He probably would have sold a little less but he'd have gotten there.
I would point to "The Big Bang" as the ultimate example of the shortcomings of Aftermath on a business level. Production-wise, it's some of Dre's best work and was in my opinion, the best album to drop that year, but nobody is even thinking about that project anymore when it should have been the jump-off for "Detox". I would argue the one project that Dre's touch could have used was the Mobb Deep G-Unit album. They had a good little street single with that "Outta Control" remix but that was a double-dip track and they never got an official jump-off single to get that project going in the right direction so that might have been where it could have worked. Dre is a "music man". He'll give you the right music to solidify the project in terms of selling but his track record with building new artists on a promotional level is spotty. Developing them in the studio and teaching them the tricks of the trade, he knows his thing but pushing them? I don't know if he's top-tier in that regard.
In regards to those beefs or issues, some of those dudes did actually throw shots first, specifically Nas, who really ain't beefing with 50, it's just shots being thrown at one another. Who's to say Em never rode with 50? He fired his DJ for backing the Lox. Shade 45 didn't play Game music at one point and to my knowledge still doesn't. They also put out a XXL special Shade 45 issue with all Eminem and Shady Records artist stories and one featured G-Unit members Yayo, Banks, and Spider Loc talking about Game. He got 50 dissing Game on one of the tracks on his mixtape. What I said wasn't he didn't publicly address it but on a level of business, he seems to side with 50 Cent on a lot of moves.
I guarantee you that if Game would have not responded to 50, his career would've died right after that. Game was heading out the door whether he dissed 50 or not.
I can't say I agree with that either. He got dropped from G-Unit but 50's peace treaty interview opened up the door for them to work together again. The basic sentiment from those close to Dre was the Aftermath door closed on him when he went against his word and lied to Dre. I'd also venture to say if Game had just kept it at "fuck 50" and moved on, he probably could have repaired it but once you go throwing fuel on the "50's a snitch" fire, you can't really put that out. If they were going to kabosh Game's career there, they would have but there was too much money in a follow-up to "Documentary" for Interscope to pull the plug. Hence why they just moved him to a different division, instead of giving him a full-out release.
What if Buck or Banks wanted collabos with Nas or D-Block? What about Terror Squad? Nah they can't!
I got news for you. It's like that at every label. It doesn't have to be beef. You sign with a label, they have exclusive say on who you work with or don't work with. They are paying you to represent their label as an artist. It's more open to the public because hip-hop is so verbal with its business but Clive Davis isn't going to give one of his artists a clearance to go make music for Jimmy Iovine or Tommy Motola if it's not in the best interest of his business. How often did you hear of Dr. Dre producing music outside of Death Row when he was over there?
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A lot of knowledge dropped here, I tend to side with Jimmy H in the point of view that 50 had way too much buzz in the streets not to blow up whether he signed with Dre or not.
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A lot of knowledge dropped here, I tend to side with Jimmy H in the point of view that 50 had way too much buzz in the streets not to blow up whether he signed with Dre or not.
yes, there even was a bidding war going on, between labels
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Guess we'll just have to disagree on this one. You're not likely to find a bigger fan of Dr. Dre than me but I find it really hard to believe that Aftermath were the ones pushing him on the marketing end. And Shady prior to bringing in 50 was putting their push behind Obie Trice, who noticeably went on the back-burner when 50 entered the picture. The guy was just "IT!". He put "Guess Who's Back" out in April 2002. This was the CD that Eminem would end up hearing that convinced him to sign him. 50's shit came out in early February 2003. 50 already had that buzz to where they could come in and build on it. What Dre did was give him the single to sell the album. The difference betwen 50 and these other guys who did the rounds on Shady and Aftermath was in marketing and management. As much as Dre and Em get the credit on the image, Chris Lighty and Violator were doing their fucking work to get that guy going. That's why these other mixtape kids didn't get the same thing going. That's why 50 Cent was able to put his name on so many business ventures because he's a strong-ass business man and he would have been that with or without Dr. Dre and Eminem. He probably would have sold a little less but he'd have gotten there.
I would point to "The Big Bang" as the ultimate example of the shortcomings of Aftermath on a business level. Production-wise, it's some of Dre's best work and was in my opinion, the best album to drop that year, but nobody is even thinking about that project anymore when it should have been the jump-off for "Detox". I would argue the one project that Dre's touch could have used was the Mobb Deep G-Unit album. They had a good little street single with that "Outta Control" remix but that was a double-dip track and they never got an official jump-off single to get that project going in the right direction so that might have been where it could have worked. Dre is a "music man". He'll give you the right music to solidify the project in terms of selling but his track record with building new artists on a promotional level is spotty. Developing them in the studio and teaching them the tricks of the trade, he knows his thing but pushing them? I don't know if he's top-tier in that regard.
In regards to those beefs or issues, some of those dudes did actually throw shots first, specifically Nas, who really ain't beefing with 50, it's just shots being thrown at one another. Who's to say Em never rode with 50? He fired his DJ for backing the Lox. Shade 45 didn't play Game music at one point and to my knowledge still doesn't. They also put out a XXL special Shade 45 issue with all Eminem and Shady Records artist stories and one featured G-Unit members Yayo, Banks, and Spider Loc talking about Game. He got 50 dissing Game on one of the tracks on his mixtape. What I said wasn't he didn't publicly address it but on a level of business, he seems to side with 50 Cent on a lot of moves.
I guarantee you that if Game would have not responded to 50, his career would've died right after that. Game was heading out the door whether he dissed 50 or not.
I can't say I agree with that either. He got dropped from G-Unit but 50's peace treaty interview opened up the door for them to work together again. The basic sentiment from those close to Dre was the Aftermath door closed on him when he went against his word and lied to Dre. I'd also venture to say if Game had just kept it at "fuck 50" and moved on, he probably could have repaired it but once you go throwing fuel on the "50's a snitch" fire, you can't really put that out. If they were going to kabosh Game's career there, they would have but there was too much money in a follow-up to "Documentary" for Interscope to pull the plug. Hence why they just moved him to a different division, instead of giving him a full-out release.
What if Buck or Banks wanted collabos with Nas or D-Block? What about Terror Squad? Nah they can't!
I got news for you. It's like that at every label. It doesn't have to be beef. You sign with a label, they have exclusive say on who you work with or don't work with. They are paying you to represent their label as an artist. It's more open to the public because hip-hop is so verbal with its business but Clive Davis isn't going to give one of his artists a clearance to go make music for Jimmy Iovine or Tommy Motola if it's not in the best interest of his business. How often did you hear of Dr. Dre producing music outside of Death Row when he was over there?
I agree with much of what you've said and didn't deny it. At the same time, I'm not expecting to change your mind because it's really based on opinion. We will never find out whether 50 would have done it without him. My opinion is he would not. Even if someone else would have picked him up, he would never have created the hits without Dre or the fanbase that came with signing to Aftermath. I mean it's common sense. You are teaming up with Dre and Em. Now, you can make the argument and claim that others didn't make it that were on Aftermath but to me, that's irrelevant. You can't expect every motherfucker to sign and blow up. Like you said 50 just had the "IT" factor! Does this mean he would have sold the same on another label? IMO NO. I can think of a shit load of dudes that had craaazy buzz on the streets and never made it. To claim that 50 was heading to the top because of his buzz, is not accurate. You can bring up Stat Quo, Bishop, etc etc but none of those foos got shot 9 times haha! 50 Cent had a story to go along with that music buzz. So in a sense, he had everything going for him to explode. The shit that I'm saying is that Aftermath set him OFF! Aftermath didn't just add more TNT but actually put him in that position to blow off the charts! 50 broke Snoop's record for sales for a debut artist! I remember so many people saying, "who the fuck is 50"? "It's this new cat that signed to Dre and Em, who got shot 9 fucking times and survived"! I'm buying his shit then haha!. After seeing what 50 has become, it's real easy to claim he would have done it without Dre.
The Big Bang? That's a bad analogy. Busta was not NEW to the industry, he wasn't doing gangsta rap (which was still in demand) and that was 3 years after 50. Many things were changing. Nobody buys albums anymore. Slowly but surely shit was changing in the industry. Dre did have some bangers on that album but it was BUSTA RHYMES. What story was he carrying? I don't think I need to explain why I disagree with this example.
Nas threw a shot at 50??? Really? When was this? What song? So is this why Nas did "Dont body yourself"? The message on that song was real clear. Stop creating attention towards yourself before someone actually puts an end to it (2Pac). Why would Nas reply with a track like that, If he was the first to diss? Makes no sense. Fired a DJ?? Oh wow WW3 ha. Em not playing Game's music is basically saying I'm NOT GETTING INVOLVED. Why do you think Game never dissed EM? Plus, why wouldn't he do that especially after Game was thrown out of Aftermath. Once again Eminem displayed his intelligence and found ways to avoid the situation and still able to please 50 without really dissing Game. I don't see how any of this displays Eminem riding for 50. After watching Eminem try to destroy Ja Rule in the past, I would say the examples your brought up were very, very soft bro.
Peace treaty?? Please don't tell you you're talking about that fake public appearance where they "kissed" and supposedly made up??? Did you really believe that? The whole set up was fake and awkward. They BOTH dissed each other after that. I guarantee you that 95% of the folks who seen that, came up with the same conclusion. IT WAS FAKE! I'm beginning to understand why we aren't agreeing on shit ha. We just don't see the same things. In my eyes, the beef was never over and who are we to say what was going behind closed doors. I thought It was obvious nothing was settled.
You really comparing Death Row to Aftermath??? You were a fucking prisoner on Death Row. Dre didn't have the power he has now. Sure, I understand that you can't always work with every artist because of business. You're missing the whole point though. Don't burn potential bridges is what I'm getting at. You don't know what the future holds. Plus, who says they couldn't of made it happen? What if the business was right? It seems you are drifting away from the topic. You say you are the biggest Dre fan but you are a bigger fan of 50 haha. You have an excuse for every one of his mistakes.
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A lot of knowledge dropped here, I tend to side with Jimmy H in the point of view that 50 had way too much buzz in the streets not to blow up whether he signed with Dre or not.
Like I said homie, I'm not expecting to change anybody's mind. Now that 50 is celebrity, it's easier to disagree with me. I respect your opinion though.
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A lot of knowledge dropped here, I tend to side with Jimmy H in the point of view that 50 had way too much buzz in the streets not to blow up whether he signed with Dre or not.
yes, there even was a bidding war going on, between labels
Maybe I made a mistake for saying 50 would have gone nowhere without Aftermath. What I meant was that he would have not reached the status without them. I'm sure that someone would have signed him and probably would have had success. I just believe that Aftermath took him to a level that no other label would've been able to do.
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The Busta album wasn't an analogy, it was an example. I'm not using it as a comparison to 50's debut. I'm using it as the counterpoint to what happens when it's just Dre and Aftermath pushing the product. You're actually saying some things I genuinely agree on and have stated before but you're just backwards in certain areas. 50 was the whole package and Dre-Em solidfied that but in stating that, you can't overlook the importance of 50's own team in taking care of everything else. I mean, I look at Eminem, a much more popular artist from a sales perspective but his brand took a lot longer to get going than 50's did and in most cases, 50's projects in terms of artists and groups were selling roughly the same or better. 50 knows how to push his label and brand to get the most out of it. I mean, if you read that book that Dre's right-hand, Bruce, put out, he talks about how Aftermath wasn't even getting the V.I.P. perks on the Up In Smoke Tour that some of the other groups were and Aftermath were the ones doing the fucking tour. Like I said when it comes to Dre's strengths, he's great at development of artists and production of music but pushing the gun to get albums out and getting the promotional buzz machine working have NEVER been his strong points. 50 is a hype machine. Game's career was born out of 50 being the one to see the money in pushing what Dre was doing with Game. You talk about Game being alive because he put out all them mixtapes and DVD's going at G-Unit? Where do you think that fucking blueprint came from?
Nas threw a shot at 50??? Really? When was this? What song? So is this why Nas did "Dont body yourself"?
Nas threw out a comment at a live concert about playing real hip-hop, not that G-Unit shit at a concert. His brother, Jungle, had made some comments on 50 when he was first blowing up. Nas had had a shakey history with a lot of artists when it came to actions he made. It was the same deal with Cormega, Foxy, Nature, Prodigy, Lakey the Kid, and many others. He and Fif have never been actually beefing but they've both been taking shots at one another and that's how it is.
The Big Bang? That's a bad analogy. Busta was not NEW to the industry, he wasn't doing gangsta rap (which was still in demand) and that was 3 years after 50. Many things were changing. Nobody buys albums anymore. Slowly but surely shit was changing in the industry. Dre did have some bangers on that album but it was BUSTA RHYMES. What story was he carrying? I don't think I need to explain why I disagree with this example.
Actually, the album sold good out of the gate. It was #1. I'd liken it to Game's post-Interscope albums. Hot sales the first week with declining momentum because there is nobody to push the fucking music. You don't have to be a new artist for shit to work out. An established artist re-inventing himself with a new team behind him can be just as effective.
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Hmmm well it sure seems like an analogy to me since we we're talking about 50 but whatever. You make very good points and I acknowledged that 50 expanded and carried the G-Unit movement. Remember that I didn't deny 50 having a major buzz before. The difference is that his major success came AFTER he got the "power" when he signed to Aftermath. I'm not surprised at all that 50's brand was doing great but you need to understand why. Em's whole style is less appealing to the masses. G-Unit was carrying that "G" appeal that is very attractive. His whole story was more attractive. Compare it to Em living a trailer trash life and it's not even close. 50 took advantage of every opportunity, while he was at the top. The clothing came AFTER he was signed. Most of his money and opportunities came AFTER his album release, while he was HOT. Sure 50 competed with EM in sales but once again, this is when he signed with Aftermath. What happened to 50 now? How do his sales compare to Em now? Things change. Him getting shot is old news and he changed his style dramatically. Even after doing love songs, his sales are poor compared to his debut. Also, I never said Dre was literally the marketing director or anything like that. Dre's Name and legacy is where he gets his power. Dre focuses on the music, so he gave him beats, production and structured the album. All this is stamped by DRE. That alone created sales and fan's for 50. I'm not even going to talk about Em. I remember Mack 10 in an interview speaking how Dre took Xzibit from gold status to multi-platinum! How do you think he did it? Game may have took the blueprint from 50 but it worked right ha? So you believe that if 50 had never signed to Aftermath, he would have had the same success in sales, brand etc??
50 beefing with Nas is false bro. I respect what you say but I don't believe this. 50 and Nas had collaborated before he signed to Aftermath. Nas spoke about this many times. He never understood why 50 took shots at him. All that sounds like - he say, she say. Concert? C'mon dawg, give me an interview or something on wax. That's gossip to me. If that were to be true Nas or 50 would have said this. Like I said, Nas never understood where he was coming from and the track is evidence to that. How about the rest of dudes he beefed with?
Well there it is! Busta had good sales. What does that tell you? That Dre was a reason. Sure his sales declined but it's not like I was expecting Busta to break any records. Of course you don't need to be a new artist for shit to work out. The difference is that Busta didn't bring anything new to the table. Like I said, 50 had a story straight out of the movies. He also brought the beef with Ja Rule, his gangsta music and style. You add Dre and Em? He went from being known as 50 CENT's ha, to just 50! Let's not forget that Aftermath was the on top of the world in that specific time. Eminem and Dre were still carrying a shit load of momentum from the MM LP and 2001 releases! Aftermath had all the Juice. 50 Came in right at the perfect time.
It's all good. We just have different opinions.
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I'm not talking about their solo sales as artist. Em's always had that down. I'm talking about artists on their label. Like you compare Shady Records with D-12 and Obie to G-Unit with the G-Unit group, Banks, Buck, whoever. 50 has better the channel for promotion and the sales were coming in that direction. And I'm sorry but Busta's sales weren't there. If a simple Dre co-sign was what it took, we'd have a lot more 50 Cents out there. Dude had it.
And I'll try to find a link on that Nas comment but it was addressed many times by both sides. Nas came out and said this is ain't that fake 50 Cent shit at a concert and then tried to play it back like he was only saying it because the crowd was feeling that. And it's not no hatred of Nas. He's one of my all-time favorite artists but I feel like 50 catches a lot of hate for making decisions to agressively protect his brand.
I remember Mack 10 in an interview speaking how Dre took Xzibit from gold status to multi-platinum! How do you think he did it? Game may have took the blueprint from 50 but it worked right ha? So you believe that if 50 had never signed to Aftermath, he would have had the same success in sales, brand etc??
Not what I'm saying at all. It's like this. Would 50 have had those sales without Dre? No. Would Dre have had a new artist go 5x platinum if he didn't find 50? No. Dre the producer had more to do with 50 Cent's success than Aftermath the marketing machine and that's my enitial point. You bring up Xzibit and let's go with this. Xzibit was not on Aftermath. Dre put his name on the executive producer and did X's album but Aftermath didn't touch it. Another label did all that work. Which is where Dre tends to excell. The thing I've already credited him with. He gives these artists the pieces to become stars but he ain't the one holding the flashlight and hasn't been in a minute. If Game was only on Aftermath, there is no way you would have had "Documentary" in 2005. The guy was with Dre since 2002 with not much going there. He joined G-Unit in 2004 and he had an album done in under a year. 50 made him visible. His first official guest spot was Banks' album. He had another one on Buck's album. He had a Whoo Kid mixtape with the exclusive Eazy-E track on there to get the buzz going. What Aftermath album he ever been on? Dr. Dre is arguably one of my biggest heroes but how many Aftermath mixtapes have you heard? He played a major hand in 50 Cent being a superstar but all I'm saying is it wasn't because Aftermath was pushing the shit out of his CD's.
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I don't think that The Game would dropped an album on afthermath without G Unit, look at joe beast, rakim, stat quo.
50 Cent made The Game just like he made banks, buck and yayo.
Hate it or love it was not a dre beat and if this is how we do was produced by some other producer it would do the same numbers.
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A lot of knowledge dropped here, I tend to side with Jimmy H in the point of view that 50 had way too much buzz in the streets not to blow up whether he signed with Dre or not.
yes, there even was a bidding war going on, between labels
Maybe I made a mistake for saying 50 would have gone nowhere without Aftermath. What I meant was that he would have not reached the status without them. I'm sure that someone would have signed him and probably would have had success. I just believe that Aftermath took him to a level that no other label would've been able to do.
+1 homie, that's all I was meaning. Some great conversation in this topic, without it falling into mindless insults, this is what a forum should be like.
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I'm not talking about their solo sales as artist. Em's always had that down. I'm talking about artists on their label. Like you compare Shady Records with D-12 and Obie to G-Unit with the G-Unit group, Banks, Buck, whoever. 50 has better the channel for promotion and the sales were coming in that direction. And I'm sorry but Busta's sales weren't there. If a simple Dre co-sign was what it took, we'd have a lot more 50 Cents out there. Dude had it.
And I'll try to find a link on that Nas comment but it was addressed many times by both sides. Nas came out and said this is ain't that fake 50 Cent shit at a concert and then tried to play it back like he was only saying it because the crowd was feeling that. And it's not no hatred of Nas. He's one of my all-time favorite artists but I feel like 50 catches a lot of hate for making decisions to agressively protect his brand.
I remember Mack 10 in an interview speaking how Dre took Xzibit from gold status to multi-platinum! How do you think he did it? Game may have took the blueprint from 50 but it worked right ha? So you believe that if 50 had never signed to Aftermath, he would have had the same success in sales, brand etc??
Not what I'm saying at all. It's like this. Would 50 have had those sales without Dre? No. Would Dre have had a new artist go 5x platinum if he didn't find 50? No. Dre the producer had more to do with 50 Cent's success than Aftermath the marketing machine and that's my enitial point. You bring up Xzibit and let's go with this. Xzibit was not on Aftermath. Dre put his name on the executive producer and did X's album but Aftermath didn't touch it. Another label did all that work. Which is where Dre tends to excell. The thing I've already credited him with. He gives these artists the pieces to become stars but he ain't the one holding the flashlight and hasn't been in a minute. If Game was only on Aftermath, there is no way you would have had "Documentary" in 2005. The guy was with Dre since 2002 with not much going there. He joined G-Unit in 2004 and he had an album done in under a year. 50 made him visible. His first official guest spot was Banks' album. He had another one on Buck's album. He had a Whoo Kid mixtape with the exclusive Eazy-E track on there to get the buzz going. What Aftermath album he ever been on? Dr. Dre is arguably one of my biggest heroes but how many Aftermath mixtapes have you heard? He played a major hand in 50 Cent being a superstar but all I'm saying is it wasn't because Aftermath was pushing the shit out of his CD's.
Well, I already explained my point of view. I made it clear that 50 did lead his brand and expanded but this came after he signed to Aftermath. I know Busta's sales weren't there. I feel that you keep comparing apples to oranges. D-12 and Obie weren't "gangster rappers". G-Unit as a whole was more appealing. Plus I already explained the package 50 was carrying with his story and beef.
As far as 50 and Nas, to me that's not legit. People talk and whisper all the time. If that's the case than 50 would have started many more since he opens his fucking mouth about other artist all the time. The beef started with dissing ON WAX. You saw what happened with Jay and 50 right? 50 made "How to Rob", and Jay responded in a concert. Where did that go? Nowhere. I've followed the Nas and 50 beef since waay back and never heard anything about no concert. If it did, it was petty.
Would Dre find a New Artist and go 5x Plat? Well, he did it with Snoop and Eminem. But To answer your question, I would say, NO and I never argued that. My argument was saying that 50 came with the buzz and the "it" factor but ONLY Dre and EM would have been able to take him to that status. Anywhere else, that wouldn't of happened. Dr Dre is Aftermath. The Xzibit example proves my point. It's Dre regardless of label. When I speak of Aftermath, I'm speaking of Dre.
In a way, they both needed each other, just like Snoop needed Dre and Dre needed Snoop. Dre and Em! The difference is that DRE was already a LEGEND. He already had the POWER. He had the Millions! 50 didn't! So Dre and Em's impact was greater in every way, regardless of 50's buzz on the street. It was a WIN/WIN for both sides but at the end of the day, what got it done, was DRE and EM choosing to bring him in. Ya dig? That's just what I believe.
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A lot of knowledge dropped here, I tend to side with Jimmy H in the point of view that 50 had way too much buzz in the streets not to blow up whether he signed with Dre or not.
yes, there even was a bidding war going on, between labels
Maybe I made a mistake for saying 50 would have gone nowhere without Aftermath. What I meant was that he would have not reached the status without them. I'm sure that someone would have signed him and probably would have had success. I just believe that Aftermath took him to a level that no other label would've been able to do.
+1 homie, that's all I was meaning. Some great conversation in this topic, without it falling into mindless insults, this is what a forum should be like.
No doubt homie, no doubt! +1 to Jimmy H as well! Its all good n gravy!
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A lot of knowledge dropped here, I tend to side with Jimmy H in the point of view that 50 had way too much buzz in the streets not to blow up whether he signed with Dre or not.
yes, there even was a bidding war going on, between labels
Maybe I made a mistake for saying 50 would have gone nowhere without Aftermath. What I meant was that he would have not reached the status without them. I'm sure that someone would have signed him and probably would have had success. I just believe that Aftermath took him to a level that no other label would've been able to do.
oh yeah eminem & dre backing him definitely helped a lot
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+1 to you too, bro. Good convo.
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Yo LAC, 50 actually did go at Jay after his "I'm about a dollar what the fuck is 50 cent" line. "Be A Gentleman" was aimed at Jay.
Yo, no more freestyles and verses killin' Sticky and Ja
I've movin' on now, I got bigger fish to fry
Since 'How to Rob' a lot of niggas been naming names
Monkey see monkey do, I done changed the game
Still niggas acting like I don't get down or something
Like I aint the next nigga to wear the crown or something
You gonna talk about your chips till we run in your crib
And you gone ask dumb questions like "Can I Live?"
Look, If I shoot you, I'm famous
If you shoot me your brainless, you said it yourself
I'm slick enough to twist your lines and send them back at you
Swift enough to snatch the mack and pop that at you
Take it personal see if I won't send you to hell
I've done told Ton and Pok? they better have my bail
But if its over a mil don't put the crib up dun
Cause if 50 get free nigga, 50 gonna run
The whole verse is directed at Jay but the lines in bold really prove it without mentioning his name. I don't think Jay ever came back with a reply though
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Yo LAC, 50 actually did go at Jay after his "I'm about a dollar what the fuck is 50 cent" line. "Be A Gentleman" was aimed at Jay.
Yo, no more freestyles and verses killin' Sticky and Ja
I've movin' on now, I got bigger fish to fry
Since 'How to Rob' a lot of niggas been naming names
Monkey see monkey do, I done changed the game
Still niggas acting like I don't get down or something
Like I aint the next nigga to wear the crown or something
You gonna talk about your chips till we run in your crib
And you gone ask dumb questions like "Can I Live?"
Look, If I shoot you, I'm famous
If you shoot me your brainless, you said it yourself
I'm slick enough to twist your lines and send them back at you
Swift enough to snatch the mack and pop that at you
Take it personal see if I won't send you to hell
I've done told Ton and Pok? they better have my bail
But if its over a mil don't put the crib up dun
Cause if 50 get free nigga, 50 gonna run
The whole verse is directed at Jay but the lines in bold really prove it without mentioning his name. I don't think Jay ever came back with a reply though
I don't follow Jay at all, so I wasn't interested in anything that came out from their beef. It does seem like a subliminal diss to Jay. Nice that you caught that. I remember seeing a video where 50 and Jay spoke about the issue and they both said it was nothing personal. So I just took it for what they said and forgot about it. It might have been one of those "BEEF" videos. I can't recall where I saw it.
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Yup, Jay came up to 50 before the show where he debuted that "Who the fuck is 50 Cent" line and said something about "I was feeling that record you did on me but you know, I need to get you back" and 50 said alright but was surprised when he did it, the same night.
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Game is backseat cat, 50 is on the front, cant compare that shit.
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Yo LAC, 50 actually did go at Jay after his "I'm about a dollar what the fuck is 50 cent" line. "Be A Gentleman" was aimed at Jay.
Yo, no more freestyles and verses killin' Sticky and Ja
I've movin' on now, I got bigger fish to fry
Since 'How to Rob' a lot of niggas been naming names
Monkey see monkey do, I done changed the game
Still niggas acting like I don't get down or something
Like I aint the next nigga to wear the crown or something
You gonna talk about your chips till we run in your crib
And you gone ask dumb questions like "Can I Live?"
Look, If I shoot you, I'm famous
If you shoot me your brainless, you said it yourself
I'm slick enough to twist your lines and send them back at you
Swift enough to snatch the mack and pop that at you
Take it personal see if I won't send you to hell
I've done told Ton and Pok? they better have my bail
But if its over a mil don't put the crib up dun
Cause if 50 get free nigga, 50 gonna run
The whole verse is directed at Jay but the lines in bold really prove it without mentioning his name. I don't think Jay ever came back with a reply though
Great song btw. I remember downloading bunch of 50's freestyle and songs with kazaa (I think) and every song was fire.
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A lot of knowledge dropped here, I tend to side with Jimmy H in the point of view that 50 had way too much buzz in the streets not to blow up whether he signed with Dre or not.
yes, there even was a bidding war going on, between labels
once people found out dre and em were tryin to sign him.
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once people found out dre and em were tryin to sign him.
But it's kind of hard to divorce their involvement from the scenerio. 50 was blowing up. Let's just look at it like this. You don't blow up that quickly. It doesn't happen. If you look at Snoop and Em, they basically need to create the aura of being Robin to Dre's Batman. Em sold some records on that first project with is 2 or 3 Dre cuts mixed in with stuff from his own EP but the game changed once 2001 and Up In Smoke came along. "Marshall Mathers LP" was where Em became the biggest artist in the world and there is something he did with those Dre beats on that project that you had know it was something special. It didn't hurt him being white. Snoop came in 1991 with "Deep Cover", had every single on "The Chronic" then they gave him that whole album to do his thing. From an artist development point of view, both on a creative and marketing/promotion, 50 Cent was signed for like 7 months and then had the biggest debut in history. Let's also not forget he was originally supposed to drop in 4th quarter of 2002 but they pushed him back so they could keep pushing "8-mile". So yes, you can say all these labels wanted him because Dre got interested but if you're working on a label where you don't have Dre and Eminem to push the project, what is the value in signing him? Dre and Em were the perfect fit but I think 50 brought more to his own promotion than say, The Game did with his move. Now, granted, 50 was also a newcomer to the public but had the experience of a guy who'd been pushed around the industry for awhile so he had a little more to offer.