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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: Chamillitary Click on January 23, 2012, 01:00:05 PM
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New York Giants vs. New England Patriots
Seven Patriots and fifteen Giants are still on the team that were there in 2008.
Should be a good game. Going to come down to the best defensive line vs. the best offensive line. I expect a very high scoring game, both defenses are below 25th in the league.
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Giants 38-34
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Eli has already surpassed Brady in my eyes with his performance against San Fran yesterday. I expect him to cement it in a couple weeks.
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Hoping for another Giants win.
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Is there any way both teams can lose? :(
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What's with the hate for the Giants? I see a lot of people hate them lol. Considering how many teams I hate (Giants not being one of them), that surprises me
Colts
Texans
Jaguars
Patriots
Ravens
Steelers
Jets
Eagles
Cowboys
List of teams I hate LOL
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What's with the hate for the Giants? I see a lot of people hate them lol. Considering how many teams I hate (Giants not being one of them), that surprises me
Colts
Texans
Jaguars
Patriots
Ravens
Steelers
Jets
Eagles
Cowboys
List of teams I hate LOL
You're going to love the Colts if Manning leaves. It'll juice your record every year.
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What's with the hate for the Giants? I see a lot of people hate them lol. Considering how many teams I hate (Giants not being one of them), that surprises me
Colts
Texans
Jaguars
Patriots
Ravens
Steelers
Jets
Eagles
Cowboys
List of teams I hate LOL
You're going to love the Colts if Manning leaves. It'll juice your record every year.
I'll have no problem with that haha
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Eli has already surpassed Brady in my eyes with his performance against San Fran yesterday. I expect him to cement it in a couple weeks.
Lol what? Eli wasn't impressive in the least bit yesterday what are you smoking? Take away the two muffed punt returns and the giants only put up ten points. I counted a minimum of three dropped interventions by the niners defense. That was an extremely mediocre game by Eli, the giants had no business winning that game, they won off the strength of two terrible turnovers.
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Eli has already surpassed Brady in my eyes with his performance against San Fran yesterday. I expect him to cement it in a couple weeks.
Lol what? Eli wasn't impressive in the least bit yesterday what are you smoking? Take away the two muffed punt returns and the giants only put up ten points. I counted a minimum of three dropped interventions by the niners defense. That was an extremely mediocre game by Eli, the giants had no business winning that game, they won off the strength of two terrible turnovers.
This is why you don't understand football.
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1. Kyle Williams lost the game for the 49ers. It wouldn't even be close if he didn't fuck up completely, twice.
2. You complain Brady's receivers give him "YAC"; Victor Cruz makes Eli what he is. Nicks too. The difference is twice a game they get YAC for 60+ yards.
Week 16 vs the Jets - Giants were at there one yard line, Eli throws Cruz a six yard pass, he takes it to the house.
Week 17 vs the Cowboys - Nicks & Cruz have plays with over 40 yards of YAC doing nothing with Eli's five yard pass. I think Cruz's in that game was over 70 yards too.
Wild Card Round vs the Falcons - Nicks has a 72 yarder.
Divisional Round vs the Packers - Nicks is bouncing off defenders for 50 yards of YAC & catches some stupid, AWFULY defended Hail Mary.
Conference Round vs 49ers - There wasn't some crazy 50+ yard play made by a receiver & the Giants got beat bad. The first fumble puts them at their 30. Then the second one was the same.
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1. Kyle Williams lost the game for the 49ers. It wouldn't even be close if he didn't fuck up completely, twice.
2. You complain Brady's receivers give him "YAC"; Victor Cruz makes Eli what he is. Nicks too. The difference is twice a game they get YAC for 60+ yards.
Week 16 vs the Jets - Giants were at there one yard line, Eli throws Cruz a six yard pass, he takes it to the house.
Week 17 vs the Cowboys - Nicks & Cruz have plays with over 40 yards of YAC doing nothing with Eli's five yard pass. I think Cruz's in that game was over 70 yards too.
Wild Card Round vs the Falcons - Nicks has a 72 yarder.
Divisional Round vs the Packers - Nicks is bouncing off defenders for 50 yards of YAC & catches some stupid, AWFULY defended Hail Mary.
Conference Round vs 49ers - There wasn't some crazy 50+ yard play made by a receiver & the Giants got beat bad. The first fumble puts them at their 30. Then the second one was the same.
I never said Eli was better than Peyton, I said hat I saw from his performance on Sunday in San Fran makes him better than Brady. and if Williams returned that OT punt for a TD, Eli's performance wouldn't have been any worse.
Too many people equate team wins and team losses with QB performance. The best game I ever saw a QB play was Peyton Manning's loss to Pitt in 05. What he was able to do under that kind of pressure and playing from behind all game was phenomenal. Indy couldn't muster up a run to save their lives, they let Roth who was hardly an airing it tyoe of guy that year score two early TDs, Peyton was sacked 5 times and had like 1.9 seconds in the pocket, the WRs couldn't get any separation 90% of the game, and through it all he never lost his composure.
Brady sucks under real pressure, not emotional pressure, but actual up the middle smashing pressure. Overturned Polamalu INT included or not, Peyton played a better game than any QB in history could have played in that situation.
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None of that relatively comes close to changing the fact that Cruz & Nicks just make plays after catching the ball.
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None of that relatively comes close to changing the fact that Cruz & Nicks just make plays after catching the ball.
Who is trying to change the fact? I never said Eli is better than Brady because his WRs can't YAC.
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None of that relatively comes close to changing the fact that Cruz & Nicks just make plays after catching the ball.
Who is trying to change the fact? I never said Eli is better than Brady because his WRs can't YAC.
Eli looks good at all because his WR make plays for him.
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Pats finna' be butthurt 0-2 in the Super Bowl vs. the Giants
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None of that relatively comes close to changing the fact that Cruz & Nicks just make plays after catching the ball.
Who is trying to change the fact? I never said Eli is better than Brady because his WRs can't YAC.
Eli looks good at all because his WR make plays for him.
The stuff I see from Eli, specifically, makes me say he's better than Brady. Brady makes less bad decisions but Eli makes more great throws. So this parts even out. Eli's ability to find the safe out when he's getting smashed by the defense really impressed me in that Niners game, and after getting crunched the way he still called the time out, and the way he ran to Coughlin after seeing the play clock. He showed the toughness and grit of an old style QB. Rodgers has a superstar cast and a great system but things I see from him are still very special. I don't see all these special things from Brady; he's just a solid QB on a great team. And that team would still have the #1 seed and still be playing in the Superbowl this year if they had kept Cassel instead of Brady.
Peyton is still head and shoulders above the rest the best single player right now, but Eli showed me something special this season.
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Rodgers & Brees are the two best QB's in the NFL
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Nah this is why you can't talk Brady or manning because your bias is so blinding. If Tom Brady put up that same performance that Eli did you wouldn't be impressed, you'd bring up the same points I made and the same points Cham made. If Eli had a great game you'd have a point but he didn't and you don't.
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A year ago today Giants fans were talking about making a switch after he lead the NFL in interceptions after a failure of a Giants season completely on him.
There has never been a moment in Brady's career where he was doubted by the Patriot faithful.
You beat great teams with great defensive line play & the Giants (by far) have the most superior D-line in the game. Tuck, Pierre-Paul, Cruz & Nicks mean more to the Giants than Eli Manning. Now this will hurt because I believe you said you hate the man, but Giants would be in the same, if not a better position if they never traded away Phillip Rivers.
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Now this will hurt because I believe you said you hate the man, but Giants would be in the same, if not a better position if they never traded away Phillip Rivers.
Hurt? I've said the same thing before. The only thing I wonder about is whether Rivers would have been able to win against NE in 07 or even win in Green Bay. I'm not sure. And I can't stand Rivers, but I have no reason to think that either Rivers, or Brady, would make the Giants a worse team. I just happen to think Eli is a little better than both. he does better under up the middle pressure and has a better arm (and I mean he can throw a fade route, something I've never seen Brady do).
And no Peyton is still better than Brees and Rodgers, because of how he runs the offense. Brees and Rodgers are great warriors, but not generals, and to guarantee success you'd need them to play along side their respective offensive genius coaches and great play-makers. We saw Drew for years before Sean Payton; hardly a best in the league argument for Drew, and Matt Flynn can come in for week 17 and break a Packers record under the McCarthy system.
Either Brees, Rodgers, Brady, Rivers or Eli, could have came in for this years Colts and they'd be max 6-10, and minimum of 10-6 with Peyton. Now if any of those QBs came in with OCs like Norv Turner, or Sean Payton then that'd be a different story. But as stand alone players there's Peyton Manning and then there is everybody else.
I want it on record right given the possibility than Peyton ends up in a place like Seattle. If Peyton goes there and a new system is too much for him or whatever and they still either don't make the playoffs get bumped in the divisional then I will put on my sig forever "Peyton Manning does have what it takes to be Tom Brady", but if he ends up with a ring in year one or two with the Seahawks then I want eaxh of you to write in your sigs "Peter was right, I was wrong. Peyton is hands down the best ever!" in your sigs.
Deal?
And if the Seahawks go 19-0 then I want each you to come to my house and suck my dick at the same fucking time.
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^ Jesus christ man, take it down a notch. But if he were healthy I'd love to have Manning on our team for the right price, assuming we resign Lynch we're only a franchise QB away from being a contender.
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^ Jesus christ man, take it down a notch. But if he were healthy I'd love to have Manning on our team for the right price, assuming we resign Lynch we're only a franchise QB away from being a contender.
Then we'll be cheering for the same team next year. I actually like the idea of Seattle for two reasons 1) it's a solid team all around and has an exceptional home field crowd, and 2) it's such an off the radar team that if they end up going 12-4 or better it makes Peyton look like a saviour. In reality you're right, it's a very decently built team that just needs a couple places to improve and become a real contender. It's definitely a better built team than Indy.
Nothing in the history of Football would please me more than 4 more years of Manning dominating the league, a couple Seahawks rings, and Indianapolis doing so bad Irsay ends up selling it the Colts move to LA.
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Manning will want to play for the Titans if he leaves the Colts but we won't want him probably :P
He has a house in Tennessee, went to College there and would get to play the Colts twice a year.
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Manning will want to play for the Titans if he leaves the Colts but we won't want him probably :P
He has a house in Tennessee, went to College there and would get to play the Colts twice a year.
Depending on the price I don't see how you don't take him. Locker would do great learning under neath him for 3 years. hell, Peyt could go from QB to QB coach right after he retires and that's a win/win for everyone. Though, Peyton's other home could be something if the unthinkable happens and Brees ends up taking one last big payday. I mean Brees because of his health and coachability would easily be able to bring in the biggest contract from other teams. How much would the Redskins, Jets, or Cowboys be willing to pay for Drew Brees. Quite a bit more than they'd pay for a "maybe he's not healthy" Peyton Manning.
And if that HUGE if that Brees doesn't re-sign with the Saints happens then how can you not make the play for Peyton? Especially with the Superbowl in the SuperDome. They'd win the #1 seed and the whole playoffs would be in Louisiana. The NFL would almost insist. And the refs would try like the devil make sure it's Manning vs Brady. With Manning vs Manning in the NFC Championship game.
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Manning will want to play for the Titans if he leaves the Colts but we won't want him probably :P
He has a house in Tennessee, went to College there and would get to play the Colts twice a year.
Depending on the price I don't see how you don't take him. Locker would do great learning under neath him for 3 years. hell, Peyt could go from QB to QB coach right after he retires and that's a win/win for everyone. Though, Peyton's other home could be something if the unthinkable happens and Brees ends up taking one last big payday. I mean Brees because of his health and coachability would easily be able to bring in the biggest contract from other teams. How much would the Redskins, Jets, or Cowboys be willing to pay for Drew Brees. Quite a bit more than they'd pay for a "maybe he's not healthy" Peyton Manning.
And if that HUGE if that Brees doesn't re-sign with the Saints happens then how can you not make the play for Peyton? Especially with the Superbowl in the SuperDome. They'd win the #1 seed and the whole playoffs would be in Louisiana. The NFL would almost insist. And the refs would try like the devil make sure it's Manning vs Brady. With Manning vs Manning in the NFC Championship game.
Brees is not leaving New Orleans
Titans will certainly be on Manning's wishlist
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Manning will want to play for the Titans if he leaves the Colts but we won't want him probably :P
He has a house in Tennessee, went to College there and would get to play the Colts twice a year.
Depending on the price I don't see how you don't take him. Locker would do great learning under neath him for 3 years. hell, Peyt could go from QB to QB coach right after he retires and that's a win/win for everyone. Though, Peyton's other home could be something if the unthinkable happens and Brees ends up taking one last big payday. I mean Brees because of his health and coachability would easily be able to bring in the biggest contract from other teams. How much would the Redskins, Jets, or Cowboys be willing to pay for Drew Brees. Quite a bit more than they'd pay for a "maybe he's not healthy" Peyton Manning.
And if that HUGE if that Brees doesn't re-sign with the Saints happens then how can you not make the play for Peyton? Especially with the Superbowl in the SuperDome. They'd win the #1 seed and the whole playoffs would be in Louisiana. The NFL would almost insist. And the refs would try like the devil make sure it's Manning vs Brady. With Manning vs Manning in the NFC Championship game.
Brees is not leaving New Orleans
Titans will certainly be on Manning's wishlist
Then there is absolutely no reason to not want him unless he wants you to break the bank, but no one is going to offer him guaranteed money. Whatever contract Manning signs will be incentive based.
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I just know my team and I'm sure they're happy with Hasselbeck & Locker, 2 buddies as well lol. Honestly, Hasselbeck is probably a better mentor for Locker.
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I just know my team and I'm sure they're happy with Hasselbeck & Locker, 2 buddies as well lol. Honestly, Hasselbeck is probably a better mentor for Locker.
I wouldn't be able to guess what kind of mentor Peyton would be for anyone, as I have nothing tangible to base it on. But Manning on this year's Titan's (healthy) and you guys may very well have still been playing in a couple weeks. You win all the 9 games you won, and get three guarantee wins against Jacksonville, Cinci, and Indy. Right there you've got 12. If you can even split the other 4 losses you get the #1 seed.
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I just know my team and I'm sure they're happy with Hasselbeck & Locker, 2 buddies as well lol. Honestly, Hasselbeck is probably a better mentor for Locker.
True.
1. I feel mentally, you'd learn more from a friend who knew he was talking about rather than somebody who was brought in to tell you how to do it because he's that good.
2. Not everyone is Peyton Manning. Whose to say Locker could run the Titans the way Manning ran the Colts? Shallow always says how he's gifted like no human being to ever be spawned into the sporting industry. You can't teach ability.
3. This is insane, he isn't going to the Titans.
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Who's to say manning is even the same player when he comes back? And let's be real, manning takes every single snap in practice and warm ups,he demands it. That's documented. It's not a coincidence that the colts have never been able to produce a viable back up.If I was developing a young qb I wouldn't want manning(or Brett Favre) anywhere near my team.A team like Seattle manning would fit because they aren't developing anybody, same with the redskins.
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I just know my team and I'm sure they're happy with Hasselbeck & Locker, 2 buddies as well lol. Honestly, Hasselbeck is probably a better mentor for Locker.
True.
1. I feel mentally, you'd learn more from a friend who knew he was talking about rather than somebody who was brought in to tell you how to do it because he's that good.
2. Not everyone is Peyton Manning. Whose to say Locker could run the Titans the way Manning ran the Colts? Shallow always says how he's gifted like no human being to ever be spawned into the sporting industry. You can't teach ability.
3. This is insane, he isn't going to the Titans.
Yeah, I wouldn't want Manning on the Hawks if we were developing a young QB (Locker), but all we have is undrafted Josh Portis and Tavaris Jackson who by all accounts has already hit his ceiling. If he can still play I'd love to have him here.
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good call on manning being re-leased
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I just know my team and I'm sure they're happy with Hasselbeck & Locker, 2 buddies as well lol. Honestly, Hasselbeck is probably a better mentor for Locker.
True.
1. I feel mentally, you'd learn more from a friend who knew he was talking about rather than somebody who was brought in to tell you how to do it because he's that good.
2. Not everyone is Peyton Manning. Whose to say Locker could run the Titans the way Manning ran the Colts? Shallow always says how he's gifted like no human being to ever be spawned into the sporting industry. You can't teach ability.
3. This is insane, he isn't going to the Titans.
Yeah, I wouldn't want Manning on the Hawks if we were developing a young QB (Locker), but all we have is undrafted Josh Portis and Tavaris Jackson who by all accounts has already hit his ceiling. If he can still play I'd love to have him here.
If Manning is healthy and can play I don't care who is being developed, depending on the cap space. Even teams with established starters like Matt Ryan, or Cutler, or teams that just signed #1 picks like Bradford or Stafford. Jake Locker may be the future of the Titans but Peyton Manning can take a 2-14 team to the playoffs ten times. You have a legit shot at 3 rings in 3 years. Good luck trying to get a legit shot at 3 rings in 20 years with Locker.
To me this is like Larry Bird being cut by the Celtics after his 88/89 injury, and somehow there is a team in the league that doesn't want him. You think the Pistons beat the Bulls in 7 the next year if you added Larry to the mix? Larry only played 3 years after that injury, but if he was signed by the Lakers that very first Bulls 3-peat may not have happened.
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Titans wouldn't grab Manning, they won't want him near Locker
Redskins or Seahawks make sense for sure
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Titans wouldn't grab Manning, they won't want him near Locker
Redskins or Seahawks make sense for sure
Like I said, if you don't want him for 20 mil a year, or even more than 10, that's one thing, but if Peyton Manning came to your day and said I'll play for whatever you can pay me and will compete in your system for a job there's no way in hell they say no. There's a Jake Locker at the end of every 2nd round draft that can be grabbed. Because Peyton Manning on the Argonauts have a better shot at winning the AFC South than the Titans would with Locker.
Now this scenario will never happen because there will be at least 3 teams offering the bank to Peyton, if he's healthy.
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I just know my team and I'm sure they're happy with Hasselbeck & Locker, 2 buddies as well lol. Honestly, Hasselbeck is probably a better mentor for Locker.
True.
1. I feel mentally, you'd learn more from a friend who knew he was talking about rather than somebody who was brought in to tell you how to do it because he's that good.
2. Not everyone is Peyton Manning. Whose to say Locker could run the Titans the way Manning ran the Colts? Shallow always says how he's gifted like no human being to ever be spawned into the sporting industry. You can't teach ability.
3. This is insane, he isn't going to the Titans.
Yeah, I wouldn't want Manning on the Hawks if we were developing a young QB (Locker), but all we have is undrafted Josh Portis and Tavaris Jackson who by all accounts has already hit his ceiling. If he can still play I'd love to have him here.
If Manning is healthy and can play I don't care who is being developed, depending on the cap space. Even teams with established starters like Matt Ryan, or Cutler, or teams that just signed #1 picks like Bradford or Stafford. Jake Locker may be the future of the Titans but Peyton Manning can take a 2-14 team to the playoffs ten times. You have a legit shot at 3 rings in 3 years. Good luck trying to get a legit shot at 3 rings in 20 years with Locker.
To me this is like Larry Bird being cut by the Celtics after his 88/89 injury, and somehow there is a team in the league that doesn't want him. You think the Pistons beat the Bulls in 7 the next year if you added Larry to the mix? Larry only played 3 years after that injury, but if he was signed by the Lakers that very first Bulls 3-peat may not have happened.
That's different. You can only have one starting QB. In the NBA, you can just throw Larry on the court.
Matt Ryan is an established, Pro Bowl NFL QB. They wouldn't do him dirty like that.
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I just know my team and I'm sure they're happy with Hasselbeck & Locker, 2 buddies as well lol. Honestly, Hasselbeck is probably a better mentor for Locker.
True.
1. I feel mentally, you'd learn more from a friend who knew he was talking about rather than somebody who was brought in to tell you how to do it because he's that good.
2. Not everyone is Peyton Manning. Whose to say Locker could run the Titans the way Manning ran the Colts? Shallow always says how he's gifted like no human being to ever be spawned into the sporting industry. You can't teach ability.
3. This is insane, he isn't going to the Titans.
Yeah, I wouldn't want Manning on the Hawks if we were developing a young QB (Locker), but all we have is undrafted Josh Portis and Tavaris Jackson who by all accounts has already hit his ceiling. If he can still play I'd love to have him here.
If Manning is healthy and can play I don't care who is being developed, depending on the cap space. Even teams with established starters like Matt Ryan, or Cutler, or teams that just signed #1 picks like Bradford or Stafford. Jake Locker may be the future of the Titans but Peyton Manning can take a 2-14 team to the playoffs ten times. You have a legit shot at 3 rings in 3 years. Good luck trying to get a legit shot at 3 rings in 20 years with Locker.
To me this is like Larry Bird being cut by the Celtics after his 88/89 injury, and somehow there is a team in the league that doesn't want him. You think the Pistons beat the Bulls in 7 the next year if you added Larry to the mix? Larry only played 3 years after that injury, but if he was signed by the Lakers that very first Bulls 3-peat may not have happened.
That's different. You can only have one starting QB. In the NBA, you can just throw Larry on the court.
Matt Ryan is an established, Pro Bowl NFL QB. They wouldn't do him dirty like that.
Doing him dirty like that would be scrapping your whole offense and cutting Ryan, but bringing Peyton in to compete with Ryan is a whole different thing. If Peyton really is as good as I say he is he'll just walk in there and during the offseason practice with the 2nd team and earn his starting spot. There's nothing wasteful or foolish about that. If Peyton can play better in the same system then you play him, if he can't then you don't. If they both play the same then you keep the guy that will last longer.
Peyton can go to any team in the NFL he wants if he is going to do it that way. Now this isn't going to happen. But he could go to NE or GB if he wants to risk sitting on the bench. It'll really show good Brady or Brees at handling pressure if there's a guy ready to takeover on the bench. McCarthy cutting Favre was different because McCarthy saw Favre as a distraction with his mouth. Had Favre never teased retirement he could have stayed in GB until the injuries got him, and in the end McCarthy thought they could do as well or better with Rodgers but having Bret on the bench would be too emotional for GB fans and a real controversy would start with every bad throw.
No one in Boston is going to call for Brady's head after a couple of bad throws and for Manning to take that job from Brady he'd have to be that much better in that system. But if Peyton really wanted to, he could sit down with Bill and say I'd like to come in as your back up and compete for the starting job, Bill would take, if there was no cap space to worry about.
Bias aside, from a business stand point you could trade Brady after this season to a team like Washington for all 6 draft picks this year a and a couple next year, and Locker may not be the best guy to learn under Peyton, but Mallot would be. And you'd have a better shot at a ring next year.
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^Yeah, but why would New England, Green Bay or Atlanta pay him 20+ million to sit on the bench or start him over their 20+ million dollar QB?
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^Yeah, but why would New England, Green Bay or Atlanta pay him 20+ million to sit on the bench or start him over their 20+ million dollar QB?
Not for 20 mil. I mean if he came in for the same salary that they would pay any other back up, just to prove a point that he could win any starting job in the NFL. Only 3 or 4 teams are going to offer him the kind of cash he was getting in Indy. 20 mil a year and scrapping your current QB isn't worth the possibility of an SB in the next 3 years and then spend 3 or 4 rebuilding completely after that.
Except maybe Buffalo; the 20 mil would be paid back by the added ticket sales, especially later in te yerar where most of their home games get blacked out for not selling out the stadium. Or Jacksonville I guess.
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^Oh, just that he could start anywhere? Well, yeah. Obviously. But the Panthers aren't going to bench 22 year old Cam Newton for 30-something year old, 15 years in the league, Peyton Manning just because for two season he would be a better QB than Cam. Then in two seasons be like "Cam, we want you to start again..".
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^Oh, just that he could start anywhere? Well, yeah. Obviously. But the Panthers aren't going to bench 22 year old Cam Newton for 30-something year old, 15 years in the league, Peyton Manning just because for two season he would be a better QB than Cam. Then in two seasons be like "Cam, we want you to start again..".
Exactly, despite what shallow thinks not every team in the league wants Peyton manning and many, I'd wager at least half the league would flat out refuse him. He's 36 years old, coming off a year of missed football and three surgeries. No sane person benches franchise qbs for a rental player at the end of his career.
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He has to go to a team with no young franchise QB like Washington or Seattle
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He has to go to a team with no young franchise QB like Washington or Seattle
Yep, and even so nothing is garaunteed in football. Look at the packers this season or the pats in 2007 or countless other examples. No matter how many times shallow you write Peyton with (insert team here) would have rings! It doesn't make it true, any team can lose any game. Like I've said all your arguments are conjecture with no basis in reality. It's like reading a nerd playing dungeons and dragons.
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He has to go to a team with no young franchise QB like Washington or Seattle
Yep, and even so nothing is garaunteed in football. Look at the packers this season or the pats in 2007 or countless other examples. No matter how many times shallow you write Peyton with (insert team here) would have rings! It doesn't make it true, any team can lose any game. Like I've said all your arguments are conjecture with no basis in reality. It's like reading a nerd playing dungeons and dragons.
You're right, there is no garaunteed rings in the NFL, or any sport. Mike Tyson beats James Buster Douglas 99 out of 100 times, but the world got to see that 1 out of 100, and no one thought was going to happen.
There are plenty of examples of one thing going the other way in a game and entire histories change. If in 01 Brady's fumble remains a fumble, or if he stayed injured after the AFC Title game and the Pats won anyway. Would it have been Brady instead of Bledsoe being traded to Buffalo?
If Eli escaping the pass rush gets called an "in the clutches" sack and they don't convert on 4th and 15 then NE gets to be called 19-0. But if Rex didn't call the time out in week 13 or 14 then they would have lost against Baltimore, but may very have won the SB because of that loss. Who knows?
If Nick Harper takes Jerome Betti's fumble to the outside and score and the Colts go on to beat the Broncos and Seahawks, do they win the next year too? Maybe not.
If Dwight Clark misses that catch and the next year the 9ers do the same 3-6 or worse in the shortened season do they draft a QB (Elway, Marino, or Kelly) to replace Montana? Very probable.
If Peyton Manning goes to the Jets next year does that guarantee a ring? No, but my theory is that he'd have 3 or 4 right now if he was on a team that was great with out him, and I'd like to see how my theory stands up. He has to win at least 1 ring in the next three years for my theory to still stand, 2 or 3 would prove outright. I mean if hypothetically he goes to the Ravens and they 3-peat then there is no question in my they would have won at least 2 or 3 in the last 10 years with Manning.
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^Fair enough. But I can't credit him for it if he didn't do it. You crown him the greatest because he "should" have won the last fifteen rings if he was on any team with a good defense.
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^Fair enough. But I can't credit him for it if he didn't do it. You crown him the greatest because he "should" have won the last fifteen rings if he was on any team with a good defense.
All I hate is that people, not you, can't seem to differentiate between individual greatness and team greatness, and seem to rank guys so much higher because of team wins when with out those team wins they'd be nothing. Everyone one and their mother always said Manning had better numbers than Brady all those years because he had better weapons (and we saw how good these weapons were with out Manning this year). No one ever said Brady has more playoff wins than Manning because Brady had a team that can win when the QB plays poorly. Every time New England has made a Superbowl Brady has had at least one shit game in the playoffs, and New England won anyway. And no one even dreams of comparing o-lines. They like to leave it out of the discussion.
Manning is as better than Brady as New England is as better than Indy. I don't know if Manning on New England would have had 3 or 4 rings for sure, but there is a better chance that Manning wins 4 rings than Brady even plays 4 years on Indy and as good a chance of them even making the playoffs once in those 4 years with Brady. That's how much better Manning is. That doesn't automatically equal 6 rings, but he's still that much better as a player.
But I guess if Joe Namath can make the top 100 players of all time then Brady can be argued alongside Manning.