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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: OG Jaydc on February 05, 2012, 05:36:47 PM
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Been an ok game so far, nothing amazing. No real stand out plays.
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Giants winning is one stand out, lol.
Watched first half, and came back for final minutes.... man you Americans can drag shit, lol.
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thought it was gna be another classic brady moment.
good game though. even though i think the patriots receivers need to learn how to catch
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I was on the couch after the safety, think I hope the game comes down to Brady with the ball down by 4, and the safety being the difference between getting into FG range and having to score a TD, because with out that safety I almost guarantee that game is won on Gostowski's leg, but thanks to Tom Terrific they were down by 4 (I purposely choose to ignore that the two point would have been a kick and this making the game down by three for an FG tie rather than win).
But I've said for years that in games that count Tommy Boy buckles under the pressure unless he's tied and just needs an FG for the win. And the last time he was down by 4 in a major game it was 06 in the very same stadium and he threw a pick to Indy in the AFC Championship.
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Roll whatever you want, Brady's never lead a come back in a big game and his three drives that made him who he is when the game was tied are matched with three games where he was behind and couldn't make it happen.
I'll say this; if the Game is tied and I need to get in FG range I'll go with Tommy T, but if I'm behind and I need a guy that can lead a TD drive I'm going with Eli.
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Your schtick is tired shallow. Everyone gets it, you hate Brady and refuse to give him any credit. If the pats win you downplay Brady and praise the rest of the team. If they lose the word team disappears from your vocabulary and it's all bradys fault. I'm a jets fan, I hate Brady with a passion. But your hilariously bias.
And when it's the mannings it's the complete opposite. When they win it's all them, when they lose it's the teams fault.
Difference in this game, welker failed to make that big catch to essentially seal the game. Then manningham makes an all time great catch for the giants.
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Brady did great after the 1st play. and Brady was very clutch as he had 2 pin point passes that were dropped on the last drive and if welker caught it they would have won. I don't know how you can blame him for this.
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Brady did great after the 1st play. and Brady was very clutch as he had 2 pin point passes that were dropped on the last drive and if welker caught it they would have won. I don't know how you can blame him for this.
Only shallow will blame Brady. His hate blinds him from the truth.
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chammy ur boyfriend LOST
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I come here to simply say this. Bill Belichick is overrated since Spygate. His coaching is what I'm blaming the Patriots losing this game on.
If you have ever played at any level of the game, from Pee-Wee to NFL... rule number 1, Never, never, never let the other team score. Belichick tried to pull something that only works on Madden, let the other team score so you get the ball sooner... that completely fucked up his team. You stop them, force a field goal and then get the ball back and try to get to field goal range to win. You do NOT let a team score 6 points, ever. Bill Belichick is overrated and spy gate exposed him. He let the Giants score so they can get the ball back and it back fired. You hope they get three and then you get three, because it's easier to get into field goal range than it is to score a touch down.
I am happy with the results. Eli Manning has to be looked at as a great QB of his era, better than his brother, well lets not get carried away. The Colts are a playoff team in the Super Bowl hunt with Peyton, 2-14 and crumbling without him. That's HUGE. Brady gets hurt, Matt Cassell holds down the fort for a year. Eli's history is still being written, but Brady and Peyton's is solidified, both are HoF QB's, I think Brady is overrated, but then again it's hard to throw that many yards, I don't care how much your coach cheats.
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Brady did great after the 1st play. and Brady was very clutch as he had 2 pin point passes that were dropped on the last drive and if welker caught it they would have won. I don't know how you can blame him for this.
I'm not blaming him, but if people want to call him the best ever, he's going to have to play better than the way he did. And after the safety he threw a terrible jump ball INT, and both tipped balls from JPP could have been picked.
For the record I don't think Eli played all that great either. Terrible clock management and lack of awareness on the timeclock to burn two TOs, and some real risky throws that could have been picks all through the game.
But the difference in te game comes down to raw talent; Eli has the ability to connect on a throw to Manningham, and Brady simply does not. As far as this single game goes a QB switch would have been the difference in the which team won and which team lost.
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Brady did great after the 1st play. and Brady was very clutch as he had 2 pin point passes that were dropped on the last drive and if welker caught it they would have won. I don't know how you can blame him for this.
I'm not blaming him, but if people want to call him the best ever, he's going to have to play better than the way he did. And after the safety he threw a terrible jump ball INT, and both tipped balls from JPP could have been picked.
For the record I don't think Eli played all that great either. Terrible clock management and lack of awareness on the timeclock to burn two TOs, and some real risky throws that could have been picks all through the game.
But the difference in te game comes down to raw talent; Eli has the ability to connect on a throw to Manningham, and Brady simply does not. As far as this single game goes a QB switch would have been the difference in the which team won and which team lost.
Difference came down to coaching.. I think Brady was great, tonight and all season. I'll never admit saying it. Belichick coast his team the game.
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NEW YAWK GIANTS FOOTBALL 8)
cant wait to for 2012's season....JETS vs GIANTS superbowl :)
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time on the clock
defenses
receivers
If somehow Eli could make those dropped passes caught i doubt he would make a diff
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I knew the Giants would win and the game would go just like this.
I don't take it as far as Shallow but I agree Brady is overrated. The safety, you just can't allow that to happen - no if's, and's or but's, point blank period. Pats dropped some catches but that happens too. I don't think Brady made ONE great throw. Most of the Pats big plays on offense were check downs that gained yards after the catch. Also, on Brady's INT -- Was that on 3rd down? If not, it was a pretty bad throw.
The Giants pass rush did what I thought it would. They quietly had a good game. They didn't sack Brady often but they pressured him and limited the offense. Brady did about as good as his OL allowed him too.
I hate Belicheck and the Patriots also so I'm glad the Giants won. I think Coughlin is a great coach and I love JPP. What a beast of a player! Tuck had a better game though. Eli is a cool cat in my books also.
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giants!@!!@@!
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^ I would diss you for having two favorite NFL teams in the same state, but since I'm so happy about the Pats losing I'll celebrate the win with you.
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crack wilson how was modonnas performane fairy nfl :-X
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crack wilson how was modonnas performane fairy nfl :-X
i wouldn't know, me and my boys threw in the Superbowl episode of the Man Show during half time 8)
adam and jimmy = winning combination
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crack wilson how was modonnas performane fairy nfl :-X
i wouldn't know, me and my boys threw in the Superbowl episode of the Man Show during half time 8)
adam and jimmy = winning combination
never checked that show is it any good ??? horrible performance bitch looked like she was in slow motion lol anyway go toronto arguonots 8)
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the Man Show is one of the funniest shows of all time 8)
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If somehow Eli could make those dropped passes caught i doubt he would make a diff
No, but here's what Eli would do, like he did with the Manningham throw; throw the ball so that the WR doesn't have to change his position completely. Welker jumped nd turned around and had the ball been placed at the chest or on the side his arms were on upon te turn it would have been a complete drop by Welker if he didn't catch it, but since Tom Terrific threw it ou and away and Welker had to adjust in a split second the drop percentage goes way up. Just because Welker has saved a bunch of bad Brady throws over the last few tears doesn't mean it's his fault when he can't do it every time.
Also, on Brady's INT -- Was that on 3rd down? If not, it was a pretty bad throw.
I think it was on 1st down. If it were 3rd and very long then it's actually a very good decision because it's better than a punt would be. But it wasn't 3rd. It was Brady.
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I can't even talk on this retardedness I read.
Way to go Wes Welker.
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I think it was on 1st down. If it were 3rd and very long then it's actually a very good decision because it's better than a punt would be. But it wasn't 3rd. It was Brady.
That's why I asked. If it's 3rd down, It's alright 'cause it was basically a punt LOL. But 1st down? Ouch
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I come here to simply say this. Bill Belichick is overrated since Spygate. His coaching is what I'm blaming the Patriots losing this game on.
If you have ever played at any level of the game, from Pee-Wee to NFL... rule number 1, Never, never, never let the other team score. Belichick tried to pull something that only works on Madden, let the other team score so you get the ball sooner... that completely fucked up his team. You stop them, force a field goal and then get the ball back and try to get to field goal range to win. You do NOT let a team score 6 points, ever. Bill Belichick is overrated and spy gate exposed him. He let the Giants score so they can get the ball back and it back fired. You hope they get three and then you get three, because it's easier to get into field goal range than it is to score a touch down.
I am happy with the results. Eli Manning has to be looked at as a great QB of his era, better than his brother, well lets not get carried away. The Colts are a playoff team in the Super Bowl hunt with Peyton, 2-14 and crumbling without him. That's HUGE. Brady gets hurt, Matt Cassell holds down the fort for a year. Eli's history is still being written, but Brady and Peyton's is solidified, both are HoF QB's, I think Brady is overrated, but then again it's hard to throw that many yards, I don't care how much your coach cheats.
Youre forgetting that new englands d was way better when cassell was doing all his "magic" that yr. Giants have a great d and great wrs. People wanna blame belicheck and brady, but what can you do when your receivers are dropping balls?
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^Thank you. Wes Welker to win the game. Branch on first play of the next possession, over the middle that was going for at least 40 yards. Hernandez ON THE NEXT PLAY & hit him in the chest.
Three throws in a row for dropped passes. It's not even fair.
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I come here to simply say this. Bill Belichick is overrated since Spygate. His coaching is what I'm blaming the Patriots losing this game on.
If you have ever played at any level of the game, from Pee-Wee to NFL... rule number 1, Never, never, never let the other team score. Belichick tried to pull something that only works on Madden, let the other team score so you get the ball sooner... that completely fucked up his team. You stop them, force a field goal and then get the ball back and try to get to field goal range to win. You do NOT let a team score 6 points, ever. Bill Belichick is overrated and spy gate exposed him. He let the Giants score so they can get the ball back and it back fired. You hope they get three and then you get three, because it's easier to get into field goal range than it is to score a touch down.
I am happy with the results. Eli Manning has to be looked at as a great QB of his era, better than his brother, well lets not get carried away. The Colts are a playoff team in the Super Bowl hunt with Peyton, 2-14 and crumbling without him. That's HUGE. Brady gets hurt, Matt Cassell holds down the fort for a year. Eli's history is still being written, but Brady and Peyton's is solidified, both are HoF QB's, I think Brady is overrated, but then again it's hard to throw that many yards, I don't care how much your coach cheats.
Youre forgetting that new englands d was way better when cassell was doing all his "magic" that yr. Giants have a great d and great wrs. People wanna blame belicheck and brady, but what can you do when your receivers are dropping balls?
What can you do when WRs are dropping balls? How about by not throwing an intentional grounding pass on your first offensive play of the game from the endzone? Maybe you could try not throwing a punt on first down when you're team is driving with the lead? Whether or not you should let the team score is debatable. I'm usually for it because 1 minute with 1 timeout to get a TD is a better shot for me than 20 seconds and no timeouts to get into FG range or hope the other team misses the chip shot.
Balls get dropped all the time, and QBs mis-throw the ball all the time, but the greatest player at his position in a sport does not make two game costing bonehead decisions in the same game in the Championship, and that's the main reason he shouldn't be in the discussion. Both the safety and the INT were just plain stupid and if either decision isn't made the Pats may have won, if both weren't made the Pats would have won. In the safety all he had to do was continue outside the pocket and throw it down the field out of bounds, he went back into the pocket after being under pressure, risking a sack, and instead lofts it to no one for the penalty. The INT on 1st down after the team was moving the ball was even more idiotic. He had time to think and decided to throw a punt to a guy that was held out of practice all week with a bad ankle hoping it was Randy Moss in 07. The under-throw is forgivable, the decision to throw, especially under the circumstances, is not.
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Bottom line - a healthy gronk gets the pats another score at some point during that game and a win, so says common sense at least but u never know. Also, a healthy gronk gets that int in a jump ball scenario and its a completion not a turnover. The safety thing thats on brady, but dropped passes on the potential game winning drive is not on brady, and to act like brady lost that game is just not true. Can u imagine the giants' performance without their number one reciever? Exactly.
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If somehow Eli could make those dropped passes caught i doubt he would make a diff
No, but here's what Eli would do, like he did with the Manningham throw; throw the ball so that the WR doesn't have to change his position completely. Welker jumped nd turned around and had the ball been placed at the chest or on the side his arms were on upon te turn it would have been a complete drop by Welker if he didn't catch it, but since Tom Terrific threw it ou and away and Welker had to adjust in a split second the drop percentage goes way up. Just because Welker has saved a bunch of bad Brady throws over the last few tears doesn't mean it's his fault when he can't do it every time.
you understand if eli tried to throw it into his chest it would be intercepted as he was covered. that was an easy catch and any #2 receiver should be able to catch it. much less a #1 pro bowl receiver. you hate brady get over it. not sure if gisele bundchen was your girl and he stole her or what but geeze that's some irrational hate.
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Bottom line - a healthy gronk gets the pats another score at some point during that game and a win, so says common sense at least but u never know. Also, a healthy gronk gets that int in a jump ball scenario and its a completion not a turnover. The safety thing thats on brady, but dropped passes on the potential game winning drive is not on brady, and to act like brady lost that game is just not true. Can u imagine the giants' performance without their number one reciever? Exactly.
Except I never called Eli the best ever and never said he should be in the discussion. Based on the film I've seen it's between 3 guys and only three guys; Johnny Unitas, Dan Marino and Peyton Manning. No one else belongs in the conversation.
Hell I never even said Eli played all that great a game. He just played better than Brady did. And that one throw to Mario was something Brady isn't capable of making, but Eli's bad game management with time and a lot of very risky throws that could have been disastrous were saved by luck, and a lot of very good bounces on those fumbles saved the Giants. But regardless of who won Eli still played a better game than Brady, but by lot, but still.
And yes a healthy Gronk probably makes that play, but a smarter QB would have known he wasn't healthy, and a better arm would have hit Gronk over the top instead of making him come back to it. I mean he showed the arm strength on the hail mary that he can hit the endzone from his own 40, and had he done that for Gronk at the very least the INT doesn't happen, and a TD maybe does happen.
If somehow Eli could make those dropped passes caught i doubt he would make a diff
No, but here's what Eli would do, like he did with the Manningham throw; throw the ball so that the WR doesn't have to change his position completely. Welker jumped nd turned around and had the ball been placed at the chest or on the side his arms were on upon te turn it would have been a complete drop by Welker if he didn't catch it, but since Tom Terrific threw it ou and away and Welker had to adjust in a split second the drop percentage goes way up. Just because Welker has saved a bunch of bad Brady throws over the last few tears doesn't mean it's his fault when he can't do it every time.
you understand if eli tried to throw it into his chest it would be intercepted as he was covered. that was an easy catch and any #2 receiver should be able to catch it. much less a #1 pro bowl receiver. you hate brady get over it. not sure if gisele bundchen was your girl and he stole her or what but geeze that's some irrational hate.
Irrantional? Who exactly was on Welker that would have INTd it if it was on the chest?
WHO?
http://www.youtube.com/v/or1nSVUJeq8
Unless either Phillips or Rolle can break the law of physics and teleport 3 to 4 yards neither is in reach of Welker's chest. The only other guy around is Webster and he's on the other side of where the ball should have been thrown. Brady's receivers have been carrying him with circus catches like that his whole career and they never get any credit, just get dumped as the no name guys, while the great "weapons" of Manning are the reason Peyton's numbers are so good. Reggie Wayne drops that ball 8 out of 10 times.
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i didn't exactly remember the catch but now seeing it. wow are you on crack. like the commentator says 100/100 times he will catch that. that isn't a circus catch. I've seen Bobby Engram make catches harder than that with ease. Welker is the #1 option. How can you hate him so much holy shit. Reggie Wayne & Harrison are both great. Wayne would never drop that pass. are you kidding me? maybe now days. as he has fallen off. but in his prime him and marvin harrison would make that catch with ease. I made those kind of catches and i was a tight end in high school...I seriously don't know what you think a circus catch is.
http://www.youtube.com/v/JZHaKGDYspE
that man isn't making the catch?
http://www.youtube.com/v/HLRB2eNoyBM
this guy is dropping it 80% of the time?
Chris Collinsworth a receiver himself was the one who said 100/100 times thats caught. not some idiot who has never played the game.
I think Peyton is the greatest QB of all time personally but god fucking damn you hate brady and love manning as much as nik hates lebron and loves kobe.
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A circus catch by definition is when you have to flip to the side the ball isn't supposed to thrown to and making the catch. A very large portion of Welker's, and Gronk's, and Moss when he was there are catches where the WR has to adjust to the ball. Look at Marvin highlight vids and see how many of those balls he just has to stick his hands out for compared with how many he had to adjust for. I don't think Harrison is less than great. He is great, but so is Welker. But Welker was wider fucking open and there is no excuse for the greatest player of all time to not throw it "on the numbers".
That Wayne catch was incredible but the ball had to be thrown there or get defended, and Wayne made the play more than Manning did. Even that dive by Harrison, the ball had to be thrown far and away or it gets blocked or picked. Weler was by himself and the ball could have been thrown on the numbers, but Brady missed the throw.
Welker had an amazing play earlier in the game when the Pats were backed and Brady was blitzed in the endzone, he recognized the blitz and changed his route and because of that the Pats got out of the danger zone. No one's bragging about that today. With out it may have been safety number 2 for Brady.
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Because we all know Peyton manning has never made mistakes in the playoffs. Or never thrown an interception in the superbowl. Oh wait, he has.Maybe that's why when you take out the one superbowl he was labelled a choke artist in the playoffs.
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Funny how Brady set a superbowl record yesterday with 16 straight completions. How do you twist that one shallow? ::)
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Funny how Brady set a superbowl record yesterday with 16 straight completions. How do you twist that one shallow? ::)
he was 11/27 the rest of the game lol
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Funny how Brady set a superbowl record yesterday with 16 straight completions. How do you twist that one shallow? ::)
he was 11/27 the rest of the game lol
And? That's like saying take out elis 30 completions and he's 0/10 the rest of the game.Just a dumb statement.
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If you actually watch the game of football, catches like that "impossible" one the Brady hater crew is saying Welker had no chance on happens every four drives & is caught like it's nothing. Those "INCREDIBLE" catches don't even make the Top Ten on ESPN.
There is a saying that if you can get a hand on it, you should catch it. I don't believe there is one for you getting both hands on it & it hitting you in the chest. I think those are just given receptions.
Brady was at the two yard line & went 98 yards throwing 10/10. Jokes.
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all i know is I've seen 3 Manning brothers hoist the Lombardi trophy since I last saw Tom Bieber win one
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No point in arguing with shallow when it comes to Brady or manning. It's like debating with skip bayless or any other sensationalist journalist.
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all i know is I've seen 3 Manning brothers hoist the Lombardi trophy since I last saw Tom Bieber win one
In the last ten years, Brady has made has made it to the Superbowl one more time than both of them lmao.
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Because we all know Peyton manning has never made mistakes in the playoffs. Or never thrown an interception in the superbowl. Oh wait, he has.Maybe that's why when you take out the one superbowl he was labelled a choke artist in the playoffs.
Of course he does, and when he does everyone blames Manning, because he's supposed to be the best. When you're the best you get the blame. The fact that Brady gets excuses made for him tells me what he really is. Just another great player that needs great players to make great plays for him. Brady is a great player who plays great. So is Eli, and Ben, and Drew. Peyton is simply the best player who plays the best. Unfortunately if all he plays is great his team still loses 9 out of 10 times, and if he plays not so great or poorly his team gets blown out 9 out of 10 times. The last two AFC Championship games Brady played in he threw for 209 yards 2 TDs and 3INTs with no ball going more than 18 yards against SD, and 239 yards no TDs and 2 INTs (with 2 more called back on penalties, and no ball more than 23 yards and Tommy boy wins both games and his team bails him out 9 out of 10 times.
And the one year Peyton's team bails him out in the playoffs he wins it all. So I say again, give Peyton a team that can bail him out when he has a less than great game and then we'll see some rings. Because right now of the 8 seasons Manning lost in the playoffs there are 5 or 6 times where he played as well or better than the opposing QB and the Colts lost the game, and despite 2 point something yards a carry on runs, and 1 point something seconds time in the pocket to pass the ball, and a defense that continuously lets up close to 200 rush yards per game and 8 minute drives, a lot of these losses were pretty close.
If that happens to Brady most people say "How can you expect Brady to win under those conditions". No one says that for Manning, and rightly so, just as long as they understand exactly how much better than Brady Manning really is.
Like I said, if Manning ends up with the Cheifs, Bears or Ravens, or a team like them next year and they don't win it all, I'll take it all back.
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Brady just made it to the superbowl with one of the worst defenses in the league. Peyton manning has never played on a team with a defense as bad as the pats have had the last few seasons. They are horrendous.
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Love how Brady has been "bailed out" with the 32nd ranked defense in the NFL.
A worse defense than the one that cost him a ring in 2008.
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Brady just made it to the superbowl with one of the worst defenses in the league. Peyton manning has never played on a team with a defense as bad as the pats have had the last few seasons. They are horrendous.
This year the Pats let up 21.4 points per game. The 2006 Championship Colts let up 22.5 points per game. In the playoffs the Pats 16.2 and the Colts 17.0
Just face it, the Pats win this game with a healthy Peyton Manning. Peyton never gets the safety, he hits Gronk in the endzone and he hits Welker on the numbers. He also hits Branch in stride on that one Branch drop that Brady threw behind him.
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Points isn't how they determine defensive rank and you know it.
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Because we all know Peyton manning has never made mistakes in the playoffs. Or never thrown an interception in the superbowl. Oh wait, he has.Maybe that's why when you take out the one superbowl he was labelled a choke artist in the playoffs.
Of course he does, and when he does everyone blames Manning, because he's supposed to be the best. When you're the best you get the blame. The fact that Brady gets excuses made for him tells me what he really is. Just another great player that needs great players to make great plays for him. Brady is a great player who plays great. So is Eli, and Ben, and Drew. Peyton is simply the best player who plays the best. Unfortunately if all he plays is great his team still loses 9 out of 10 times, and if he plays not so great or poorly his team gets blown out 9 out of 10 times. The last two AFC Championship games Brady played in he threw for 209 yards 2 TDs and 3INTs with no ball going more than 18 yards against SD, and 239 yards no TDs and 2 INTs (with 2 more called back on penalties, and no ball more than 23 yards and Tommy boy wins both games and his team bails him out 9 out of 10 times.
And the one year Peyton's team bails him out in the playoffs he wins it all. So I say again, give Peyton a team that can bail him out when he has a less than great game and then we'll see some rings. Because right now of the 8 seasons Manning lost in the playoffs there are 5 or 6 times where he played as well or better than the opposing QB and the Colts lost the game, and despite 2 point something yards a carry on runs, and 1 point something seconds time in the pocket to pass the ball, and a defense that continuously lets up close to 200 rush yards per game and 8 minute drives, a lot of these losses were pretty close.
If that happens to Brady most people say "How can you expect Brady to win under those conditions". No one says that for Manning, and rightly so, just as long as they understand exactly how much better than Brady Manning really is.
Like I said, if Manning ends up with the Cheifs, Bears or Ravens, or a team like them next year and they don't win it all, I'll take it all back.
Maybe cuz Brady has 3 rings? ???
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Points isn't how they determine defensive rank and you know it.
Points determine who wins games though.
For example in 2009 the Colts defense let up 400 yards against the Dolphins who had the ball for over 45 minutes in that game. With under 15 minutes and a defense that lost the yard battle, the Colts won 27-23.
Obviously with Brady the Colts lose that game by two scores and everyone but Brady gets blamed, but with the real greatest player in the game right now you win because you put up more points than your defense let up, even though you couldn't produce as many yards as your defense let up.
It's very common for a team to win wit their defense losing the yards battle, not so much when they lose the points battle.
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Let me quote Gisele. "My husband can't catch the fucking passes he throws".
Dropped passes fuck QB's. Ask Rodgers.
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Brady needs to keep that bitch in line.
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Let me quote Gisele. "My husband can't catch the fucking passes he throws".
Dropped passes fuck QB's. Ask Rodgers.
But he can throw the ball better. On the last drive he had Branch in stride on the first play and he made him change direction to try and catch it behind him. And that INT and safety speaks for it self.
I never blamed Garcon for dropping that pass in the Indy SB loss. Peyton did have one vital bad decision on a 3rd and 11 and it may have made a difference. The pick 6 wouldn't have mattered in my opinion because best case scenario is it becomes a tie game with NO just needing to get into FG range.
The fact that you can make excuses for the guy tells me he isn't the best ever. No one ever said Pippen really let down MJ in those years that the Bulls didn't win the titles.
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You didn't blame Garcon, you sat here for months & blamed Reggie Wayne for not making a play on an awful decision.
Like I said, all these "physically impossible" catches Brady set his WR's in are caught weekly by everyone & don't even make the top plays.
Peyton is known for that back shoulder pass. From experience playing, it's 100 times harder to make that catch than twisting your body around. You have to spin & completely take your eye off the ball & by the time you turn back around the ball is in your face & you have to catch it. Shit like Wes Welker, he has full control of his body, son is a professional athlete. You learn how to contort your body at the age of seven. He saw the ball the whole way, the ball hit him in BOTH his hands & he dropped it.
I can't tell you how many times I've seen Dallas Clark make some insane play for Peyton that they throw on ESPN weekly.
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Just out of curiosity, what was your excuse if Wes catches that ball & the Pats run the clock out & walk away with a ring? Because don't sit here & say you were giving Brady credit for shit.
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Just out of curiosity, what was your excuse if Wes catches that ball & the Pats run the clock out & walk away with a ring? Because don't sit here & say you were giving Brady credit for shit.
LOL. I love football, but some of our fans are so damned biased its ridiculous. ESPN doesnt help.
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Just out of curiosity, what was your excuse if Wes catches that ball & the Pats run the clock out & walk away with a ring? Because don't sit here & say you were giving Brady credit for shit.
LOL. I love football, but some of our fans are so damned biased its ridiculous. ESPN doesnt help.
Tell me about it. You got guys like Skip Bayless blaming Brady for the loss & Eric Mangini, an actual professional, unbiased, who knows the game better than anyone at the network just looks at him like, "What the fuck is wrong with you?".
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No one is blaming Brady for the loss, not me anyway. Just don't call him the best ever. His level of play in Sunday's game wasn't any worse than any of his last 3 SB wins or last SB loss. I never blamed Brady for a Pats loss, just like I never gave him credit for a Pats win.
Eli did not play at a higher level than Brady in this or the last SB they played against each other in. In fact one team didn't even outplay other in either. It was two evenly matched a the ball bounced one way instead of the other.
That game I mentioned earlier with the Colts vs the Phins in 09 is an example of one team completely dominating the other but one fucking guy made all the difference. The Colts had no business even being close in that game. The same gores for the 05 playoff game against the Steelers. But pure excellence at the QB position made the difference.
I've never really seen Brady put a team on his back. Everything around him has to go right and a lot of guys have to make big plays. If the o-line breaks down they lose, if the WRs drop mis-thrown balls they lose. But Bady never gets any blame. Nor should he. He is what he is; Terry Bradshaw part 2. A decent guy to have that won't lose the game for you.
Peyton the kind of guy that takes a team on his back. That drop by Blair white last year against the Jets was way more catch-able than the Welker throw but no one said shit other than Peyton loses again.
And again for the record, that INT WAS WAS WAS Reggie's fault. Peyton is getting blitzed, he can't see anything, but the play was called to his #1 on a hitch route and Reggie Wayne made a decision, not a mistake, a decision to give up on the play. He knew it was a blitz and he saw Porter sitting on the route, and all he did was hope that Peyton saw it too and decided to run the route anyway. Wayne decides to not try and make a play on the sitting DB and that cost them a pick. He easily could have went for grab and caused a an offensive pass INT. There was no beating the fact that the Saints guessed on the play and guessed right. I'm not expect Reggie to notice the sit and call for a corner route by raising his left hand. That would have put him in the hall of fame on its own merit. But when you realize it's a blitz and the other team guessed your route and your number is called you have to make the attempt. There was absolutely no point in motioning your hands as is you're going to catch the ball and I can't imagine a play as common as that by the Colts isn't practiced with the possibility that the corner jumps the route.
If you want me to call you a hall o fame #1 WR you have to play like one. Sterling Sharpe was the first guy to call Reggie's play in that game soft. But I don't fault Reggie for not holding onto the ball on the next drive because that was a simple mistake on a type of play Reggie was never signed tio make. he's no a physical WR he's a route runner, and as a route runner he has to know when the guy on him is guessing on the route. I never expected him to catch the ball, and if he attempted an offensive pass interference and failed I'd give him all the credit for trying. But he didn't even fucking try. He just assumed Peyton knew better. Maybe that's Peyton's fault for playing at a level so high for so long his supporting cast expects too much from him.
Of course all this is BS because even if the Colts score the Saints still win by at least 3 on the next drive.
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Points can be given up by the offense, special teams and turnovers by the offense in their own end that lead to automatic points by the the other team. That's why defensive ranking isn't determined by points. You know this, youre just playing dumb.
The fact that your even debating that the colts have had a d anywhere near as bad as the pats just exposes your bias even more.
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all i know is I've seen 3 Manning brothers hoist the Lombardi trophy since I last saw Tom Bieber win one
In the last ten years, Brady has made has made it to the Superbowl one more time than both of them lmao.
i don't congratulate on losing SBs
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Points can be given up by the offense, special teams and turnovers by the offense in their own end that lead to automatic points by the the other team. That's why defensive ranking isn't determined by points. You know this, youre just playing dumb.
The fact that your even debating that the colts have had a d anywhere near as bad as the pats just exposes your bias even more.
Points allowed and points allowed by defense are separate categories completely. What the yards argument doesn't take into play is that in a lot of games this season the Pats had huge early leads on teams and then the prevent defense allowed a lot of pass yards to teams playing catch up. Notice how both the Packers and Pats and ranked last and second last in total defense, and pass defense, but both are in the top 15 for rush defense.
The fact is the Pats were top ten ranked team in fumbles caused and recovered, a top 5 3rd percentage defense, and a top 15 scoring defense. They also make the top half in sacks (while the Colts are in the bottom 3), and are at the top in interceptions. To say no Colts defense is even close to as bad as that is a joke.
And you don't think offense and special teams can effect yards by a defense? Every 20 to 30 yard punt or kickoff return can really help a bad defense look better in the eyes of the stats.
And the bottom line is come playoff time they were just as good as anybody else. And both defenses played pretty close to each other in the Superbowl. The difference is that the Pats offense had a QB that gave the other team the ball twice and the Giants offense had a QB that gave the other team the ball zero times.
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Turnovers are a very poor measuring stick of a defense. More sensationist journalism shallow? Turnovers veer radically game to game season to season. How many times do defenders drop gimme interceptions? They are a random stat that have nothing to do with anything really. Yes, certain qbs throw more because they take more risks but Tom Brady isn't one of them. Eli should have been picked off at least three times by sf.But fumbles? Really shallow? Like that's a star that should be a measuring stick of a defense? Rofl. And you say I don't know football and your bring up fumble stats. Give me a break.What's next are you going to tell me whichever DBS have the highest interceptions are the best DBS in the season? Because sury by your logic interceptions are the measuring stick.
The pats were playing with scrubs in the secondary, fourth and fifth string safeties most of the season. They stunk. The reason the pats were in the top 15 in rush defense is because that's their only strength. Vince wilfork sees to that, he's a top three nose tackle in the league.
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Turnovers are a very poor measuring stick of a defense. More sensationist journalism shallow? Turnovers veer radically game to game season to season. How many times do defenders drop gimme interceptions? They are a random stat that have nothing to do with anything really. Yes, certain qbs throw more because they take more risks but Tom Brady isn't one of them. Eli should have been picked off at least three times by sf.But fumbles? Really shallow? Like that's a star that should be a measuring stick of a defense? Rofl. And you say I don't know football and your bring up fumble stats. Give me a break.What's next are you going to tell me whichever DBS have the highest interceptions are the best DBS in the season? Because sury by your logic interceptions are the measuring stick.
The pats were playing with scrubs in the secondary, fourth and fifth string safeties most of the season. They stunk. The reason the pats were in the top 15 in rush defense is because that's their only strength. Vince wilfork sees to that, he's a top three nose tackle in the league.
Sensationalism? I never said the Pats were a great D. That's Bills fault for letting everyone go and drafting around a QB that needs players to make him look good. You said the Colts never had a D even close to as bad as the current Pats D. That is the definition of sensationalism. I guess this would mean the Packers D this year was the worst ever. Even though in reality it's the same issue, the offense scoring early and the defense playing prevent for most of the second half.
And the only reason the Colts pass D has even modest numbers some years is because their run D is so bad no one bothers passing enough on them. They just run down their throats and eat clock.