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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: rayallen0 on February 12, 2012, 01:07:41 AM
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Probs the most stacked position in the NBA right now. I'm going with Rose.
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mario chalmers easily
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mario chalmers easily
lol was just naming random points off the top of my head.
suspicious how a vote for Rondo went in....
and wtf i was at -90 and now -92...who is negging me all passive aggressively
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i dunno but heres a +1
some mfers on this site neg rep like crazy
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lol@all those names
best pg is deron williams...he's not playin motivated ball as of now, though
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haha thanks. Idc but just weird how my karma always goes up like up 4 in the morning then back down 4 at night every day. I have been in this range for so long.
lol its funny cuz i literally haven't gotten into an e-beef or argument on here in weeks...maybe midwestryder cuz i insulted nelly again...but he is illiterate i doubt he know's what Karma means.
I'm pretty sure Lin is the greatest basketball player ever to exist in history. EVER.
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lol@all those names
We all know Andre Miller should be in this discussion 8)
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i was a -22 a day ago
some weirdo with multiple accounts must have a hard on for me or something
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DJ Augistin.
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You guys think Augustin will develop into the great point he was drafted to be? Don't think the bobcats drafting Walker was a good sign for his future there.
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You guys think Augustin will develop into the great point he was drafted to be? Don't think the bobcats drafting Walker was a good sign for his future there.
Augustin doesn't have great point guard skills....he's a good shooter and he fits in with the new wave of score-first point guards, but he aint a top-tier point guard. btw, he was drafted with the 9th overall pick...not really grounds to expect greatness in the first place.
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You guys think Augustin will develop into the great point he was drafted to be? Don't think the bobcats drafting Walker was a good sign for his future there.
Augustin doesn't have great point guard skills....he's a good shooter and he fits in with the new wave of score-first point guards, but he aint a top-tier point guard. btw, he was drafted with the 9th overall pick...not really grounds to expect greatness in the first place.
I'd give a top 10 pick high expectations. Great was def not the right word.
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Not an easy question , it really depends on what your team needs and its roster... that's why I'm not comfortable to rank traditional PGs and scorer PGs together ... You can't say Rose is clearly a better PG than CP3 or vice-versa since there aren't the same style of player
Teams like the Bulls/Thunder need a Rose or Westbrook to put 20+ points on the board when the Clippers or Celtics big 3 (in their prime) don't .
On another note , the most underrated PG in the league for years has been Tony Parker
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On another note , the most underrated PG in the league for years has been Tony Parker
He's a former All-Star, current All-Star and Finals MVP... not too shabby... but he doesn't have the celebrity status that some guys have. Part of that is due to being not American, not being a sick dunker and playing for the Spurs I guess.
My favorite PG is Deron Williams, if motivated and in the right system, surrounded by the right players. It used to be Chris Paul, but his knee problems took a bit of him. He's still great, but that marginal drop is enough to put Williams ahead of him cause he was never that much behind him. Rose is dope too, but not really my type of PG. Maybe he could be when surrounded by some better scorers/players. But I'm not a fan of the inefficiency of scoring 20 points on 38% shooting instead of passing it to a nigga who is shooting 60%. Part of that is due to the players he has on the team, of course.
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On another note , the most underrated PG in the league for years has been Tony Parker
He's a former All-Star, current All-Star and Finals MVP... not too shabby... but he doesn't have the celebrity status that some guys have. Part of that is due to being not American, not being a sick dunker and playing for the Spurs I guess.
My favorite PG is Deron Williams, if motivated and in the right system, surrounded by the right players. It used to be Chris Paul, but his knee problems took a bit of him. He's still great, but that marginal drop is enough to put Williams ahead of him cause he was never that much behind him. Rose is dope too, but not really my type of PG. Maybe he could be when surrounded by some better scorers/players. But I'm not a fan of the inefficiency of scoring 20 points on 38% shooting instead of passing it to a nigga who is shooting 60%. Part of that is due to the players he has on the team, of course.
yeah I like Deron game too (though he could try more on D imo) ... and he's always shitting on CP3 when he plays against him .
He might be a Mav so I guess you'll like him even more :laugh:
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LIN
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not including the nba assist leader steve nash on the list
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not including the nba assist leader steve nash on the list
I meant to include him but forgot. but don't act like you were gonna vote for him.
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not including the nba assist leader steve nash on the list
I meant to include him but forgot. but don't act like you were gonna vote for him.
Yea, he was.... He's Canadian LOL
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If ur talking about THIS SEASON ill say rose
but if ur talking bout over the past year ill say chris paul.
i would say cp3 (even though i dont like traditional point guards) but rose goddamn i dont know how many times he just took over games and won.
ridiculous
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rose didnt take over todays game ;)
rondo: 32, 15 and 10 8)
rose: vaginal spasms, sits out
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not including the nba assist leader steve nash on the list
I meant to include him but forgot. but don't act like you were gonna vote for him.
Yea, he was.... He's Canadian LOL
no, the best PG is Chris Paul...but id still take Nash over half that list
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though i dont like traditional point guards
LOL...i dont get why u keep saying this. the greatest point guards ever = traditional point guards. what dont u like about that? its like saying u dont like traditional centers, u like centers who sit out on the perimeter and shoot threes.
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some love for raymond felton
http://www.youtube.com/v/2YnCCPwcaCA
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though i dont like traditional point guards
LOL...i dont get why u keep saying this. the greatest point guards ever = traditional point guards. what dont u like about that? its like saying u dont like traditional centers, u like centers who sit out on the perimeter and shoot threes.
i like scoring point guards like billups, AI (sg either or), rose, deron, etc etc.
but i like traditional centers. yea the best PGs were traditional point guards but i like PGs that like to score as well as dishing to teammates.
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so u must like Rondo right? he dropped 32 tonight with 15 dimes and 10 rebs
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so u must like Rondo right? he dropped 32 tonight with 15 dimes and 10 rebs
yea he scored 30, he can avg 20+ , but he'll still be a traditional point guard.
he scores alot because hes arguably the best player on that team, hes going to score, but thats not his style of play, he doesnt look to score hes a PG hes looking for them dimes.
billups, curry (he got alot better adjusting to be a pass first guy), rose, these guys look to score.
guys like cp3, rondo, klidd, they just dish dish dish dish dish.
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can we all agree that the greatest point guard of all time is this man?
http://www.youtube.com/v/51-QkBJH0cc
http://www.youtube.com/v/VLhXLDXjzbc
http://www.youtube.com/v/eqNVzVAwCTI
http://www.youtube.com/v/hGGZB0FSox4
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^ Co sign, GP>>>Magic, Isaiah, etc.
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^ Co sign, GP>>>Magic, Isaiah, etc.
nah its Stockton!
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^ Co sign, GP>>>Magic, Isaiah, etc.
8) 8) 8) 8)
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CP3, easy.
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though i dont like traditional point guards
LOL...i dont get why u keep saying this. the greatest point guards ever = traditional point guards. what dont u like about that? its like saying u dont like traditional centers, u like centers who sit out on the perimeter and shoot threes.
i like scoring point guards like billups, AI (sg either or), rose, deron, etc etc.
but i like traditional centers. yea the best PGs were traditional point guards but i like PGs that like to score as well as dishing to teammates.
i'd say deron williams is a traditional point guard..u gotta understand, it's nice to have a point guard who can score. but it is always better for the team to have a point guard who is looking to set people up, first and foremost. thats why traditional point guards typically gain the most success.
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^ Co sign, GP>>>Magic, Isaiah, etc.
LOL
Magic>>>>>>>>all the point guards who ever played...combined
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though i dont like traditional point guards
LOL...i dont get why u keep saying this. the greatest point guards ever = traditional point guards. what dont u like about that? its like saying u dont like traditional centers, u like centers who sit out on the perimeter and shoot threes.
i like scoring point guards like billups, AI (sg either or), rose, deron, etc etc.
but i like traditional centers. yea the best PGs were traditional point guards but i like PGs that like to score as well as dishing to teammates.
i'd say deron williams is a traditional point guard..u gotta understand, it's nice to have a point guard who can score. but it is always better for the team to have a point guard who is looking to set people up, first and foremost. thats why traditional point guards typically gain the most success.
Yeah, like John Stockton & Steve Nash & all their rings. ::)
Rondo, Isiah Thomas & Jason Kidd (last year) are the only point guards who were "traditional" to win a ring in the last two decades.
The rest of the rings in the last twenty years were won by Jordan, Kobe & Shaq & Duncan.
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though i dont like traditional point guards
LOL...i dont get why u keep saying this. the greatest point guards ever = traditional point guards. what dont u like about that? its like saying u dont like traditional centers, u like centers who sit out on the perimeter and shoot threes.
i like scoring point guards like billups, AI (sg either or), rose, deron, etc etc.
but i like traditional centers. yea the best PGs were traditional point guards but i like PGs that like to score as well as dishing to teammates.
i'd say deron williams is a traditional point guard..u gotta understand, it's nice to have a point guard who can score. but it is always better for the team to have a point guard who is looking to set people up, first and foremost. thats why traditional point guards typically gain the most success.
Yeah, like John Stockton & Steve Nash & all their rings. ::)
Rondo, Isiah Thomas & Jason Kidd (last year) are the only point guards who were "traditional" to win a ring in the last two decades.
The rest of the rings in the last twenty years were won by Jordan, Kobe & Shaq & Duncan.
LOL...Steve Nash never had a chance with that retarded ass Suns team+offense. John Stockton was one of the greatest point guards of all time, though. Name me ONE non-traditional point guard who was better than John Stockton...I'm waiting.
and yea, the triangle offense requires ZERO production from the point guard spot. thats why we've been so successful over the past decade...but Tony Parker has great point guard skills. without that, Spurs had no chance.
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I'm not denying either are incredible PGs. But neither have rings. Therefore, by your standards, they have ZERO "success".
lol, okay, Tony Parker too. Four in twenty years. That's not very successful.
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I'm not denying either are incredible PGs. But neither have rings. Therefore, by your standards, they have ZERO "success".
lol, okay, Tony Parker too. Four in twenty years. That's not very successful.
individual success.. we havent had a great point guard on a great team in a long time now. the superstars of the last few championship teams have been either shooting guard/small forwards or power forward/centers
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forgetting billups CC? :nawty:
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forgetting billups CC? :nawty:
We've established him as a "scoring" PG. Not "traditional".
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So a scoring PG can lead his team to a championship :o
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So a scoring PG can lead his team to a championship :o
If the history of the NBA has told us anything, it's that wing players & absolutely dominating big men win Championships.
Derek Fisher is an average PG, who can shoot & plays scrappy defense & has five rings thanks to Kobe & Shaq. Chris Paul is probably the best PG in the last decade & can't even get out of the first round of the playoffs.
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So a scoring PG can lead his team to a championship :o
If the history of the NBA has told us anything, it's that wing players & absolutely dominating big men win Championships.
Derek Fisher is an average PG, who can shoot & plays scrappy defense & has five rings thanks to Kobe & Shaq. Chris Paul is probably the best PG in the last decade & can't even get out of the first round of the playoffs.
look at Chris Paul's teams as of today, and try telling me he really had a chance with a straight face.....lol come on, now
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So a scoring PG can lead his team to a championship :o
If the history of the NBA has told us anything, it's that wing players & absolutely dominating big men win Championships.
Derek Fisher is an average PG, who can shoot & plays scrappy defense & has five rings thanks to Kobe & Shaq. Chris Paul is probably the best PG in the last decade & can't even get out of the first round of the playoffs.
look at Chris Paul's teams as of today, and try telling me he really had a chance with a straight face.....lol come on, now
This is the same nigga who sat there for seven years & thought LeBron playing with Daniel Gibson & Big Z was arguably more talented than the Lakers 3-peat team.
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and the thread derailment begins in 5-4-3-2
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^ Co sign, GP>>>Magic, Isaiah, etc.
LOL
Magic>>>>>>>>all the point guards who ever played...combined
GP>>>>Magic>>>>Kobe
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^ Co sign, GP>>>Magic, Isaiah, etc.
LOL
Magic>>>>>>>>all the point guards who ever played...combined
GP>>>>Magic>>>>Kobe
Ray Allen>Gary Payton>Lenny Wilkins>Jack Sikma>Dennis Johnson>Spencer Haywood>Shawn Kemp>Gus Williams>Tom Chambers>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.every other player ever.
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^ Co sign, GP>>>Magic, Isaiah, etc.
LOL
Magic>>>>>>>>all the point guards who ever played...combined
Ray Allen>Gary Payton>Lenny Wilkins>Jack Sikma>Dennis Johnson>Spencer Haywood>Shawn Kemp>Gus Williams>Tom Chambers>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.every other player ever.
GP>>>>Magic>>>>Kobe
lol man,shaq, kobe, ducan, ai, wade, kg , are the best in my book, i wathcted them play.
i never really gto to watch mj, magic, payton, hakeem, larry, parish, thomas, etc etc in the prime.
i only feel like i can honestly past judgement on guys i actually seen play.
the past how can i? i havent seen them play, seen what they mean to the team and what not, i dont see how i can conclude their worth or how to argue tha their the greatest
man so far vince, kobe, kg, tracy, iverson, shaq, rose, wade, griffin, brandon roy, rudy fernadez, carmelo, lebron, Drik, Sheed, ray,
honarable mentions: steve francis, stephon marbury, rafer alston, and one more dude fuck i forgot cuz im draded.
are the funnest players ive seen play.
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^ It was a joke. Just bringing some Seattle homerism to the Dub.
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^ It was a joke. Just bringing some Seattle homerism to the Dub.
NOOO ITS THE TRUTHHHH
I NEVER SEEN MAGIC BEAT EVANDER HOLYFIELD!!! swag swag swag
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Sam Perkins > any other Seattle player ever
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Sam Perkins > any other Seattle player ever
Kendrick Perkins > Sam Perkins.
I may of smoked an eight within the last 30 minutes but I'm pretty sure that is correct
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Sam Perkins > any other Seattle player ever
Kendrick Perkins > Sam Perkins.
I may of smoked an eight within the last 30 minutes but I'm pretty sure that is correct
lol, not even close...traitor
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Sam Perkins > any other Seattle player ever
Kendrick Perkins > Sam Perkins.
I may of smoked an eight within the last 30 minutes but I'm pretty sure that is correct
lol, not even close...traitor
nah man his hair just scares me
(http://apudgeisasandwich.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/samperkinsdreads.jpg)
anyways Shawn Kemp is the greatest man to ever live. other than Uncle Murda.
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Sam Perkins > any other Seattle player ever
Gary Payton disagrees
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Sam Perkins > any other Seattle player ever
Kendrick Perkins > Sam Perkins.
I may of smoked an eight within the last 30 minutes but I'm pretty sure that is correct
Nah, Perk could play, NIK is an idiot for that though. Robert Swift is the greatest Sonic of all time.
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kevin durant = best seattle sonic ever
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kevin durant = best seattle sonic ever
21 PPG 4 rebounds 2 assists on the worst (not exaggerating) Sonics team in their 41 year history. The rest of his stats belongs to the Blunder.
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Sam Perkins > any other Seattle player ever
Kendrick Perkins > Sam Perkins.
I may of smoked an eight within the last 30 minutes but I'm pretty sure that is correct
Nah, Perk could play, NIK is an idiot for that though. Robert Swift is the greatest Sonic of all time.
LOL...funny thing about Swift, I remember Big Jake of this board saying he used to play with him up in Bakersfield prior to getting drafted, and he claimed that he sucked and would flop hard....boy, was he ever right.
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everytime i go off talking shit about westbrook, saying he thrives off his athleticism and doesnt have much talent (post game, natural shooting ability, etc etc)
he goes and scores 30, yesterday he scored 40
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Westbrook is a beast... Duno how any1 can deny that.
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kevin durant = best seattle sonic ever
21 PPG 4 rebounds 2 assists on the worst (not exaggerating) Sonics team in their 41 year history. The rest of his stats belongs to the Blunder.
its kinda like how michael jordan is the best wizard player ever
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Sam Perkins > any other Seattle player ever
Kendrick Perkins > Sam Perkins.
I may of smoked an eight within the last 30 minutes but I'm pretty sure that is correct
Nah, Perk could play, NIK is an idiot for that though. Robert Swift is the greatest Sonic of all time.
LOL...funny thing about Swift, I remember Big Jake of this board saying he used to play with him up in Bakersfield prior to getting drafted, and he claimed that he sucked and would flop hard....boy, was he ever right.
LOL, that's some shit. Weird though, cause I know he was an All American, I wouldn't have guessed that he sucked in high school. Regardless, I remember being pissed off at the pick, I wanted Josh Smith. In retrospect besides Smith we also skipped out on Al Jefferson, JR Smith, and a number of other guys that lasted more than 3 years in the league (the fuckin goon couldn't even last in the D-League) :grumpy: one of the many reasons OKC now has a basketball team.
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LOL....i found it:
shit if this dude can make it to the NBA anyone can, i know this dude and i have played with and against him many times, if he makes it big he's going to be a crybaby if he's not on a winning team...the first HS he went to he left because they lost a bunch so hewent to BHS. i don't know why he was an all american, there were kids from Garces , West, and my school East who balled better than him. Dude's a nice guy and everything but overrated.
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Westbrook is a beast... Duno how any1 can deny that.
Westbrook is a beast but his youth and unwillingness to play #2 shows alot. but not many points i would rather have. especially at his age. dude is gonna be one of the greats.
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LOL....i found it:
shit if this dude can make it to the NBA anyone can, i know this dude and i have played with and against him many times, if he makes it big he's going to be a crybaby if he's not on a winning team...the first HS he went to he left because they lost a bunch so hewent to BHS. i don't know why he was an all american, there were kids from Garces , West, and my school East who balled better than him. Dude's a nice guy and everything but overrated.
Wow, Don Jacob was smarter than Sonics management. Everyone in upper management from the mid 90's (who inherited Kemp and Peyton) to up until Presti took over should shoot themselves.
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Sam Perkins > any other Seattle player ever
Kendrick Perkins > Sam Perkins.
I may of smoked an eight within the last 30 minutes but I'm pretty sure that is correct
Nah, Perk could play, NIK is an idiot for that though. Robert Swift is the greatest Sonic of all time.
LOL...funny thing about Swift, I remember Big Jake of this board saying he used to play with him up in Bakersfield prior to getting drafted, and he claimed that he sucked and would flop hard....boy, was he ever right.
LOL, that's some shit. Weird though, cause I know he was an All American, I wouldn't have guessed that he sucked in high school. Regardless, I remember being pissed off at the pick, I wanted Josh Smith. In retrospect besides Smith we also skipped out on Al Jefferson, JR Smith, and a number of other guys that lasted more than 3 years in the league (the fuckin goon couldn't even last in the D-League) :grumpy: one of the many reasons OKC now has a basketball team.
dont forget Humphries, Wright, Nelson, Allen, Martin, Varejao & Ariza
just like taking sene over Redick, Brewer, Rondo, Lowry, Gibson or Milsap
in the draft we took Petro in we took him over Lee, Bass, Ellis, Williams, Johnson & Gortat
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Sam Perkins > any other Seattle player ever
Kendrick Perkins > Sam Perkins.
I may of smoked an eight within the last 30 minutes but I'm pretty sure that is correct
Nah, Perk could play, NIK is an idiot for that though. Robert Swift is the greatest Sonic of all time.
LOL...funny thing about Swift, I remember Big Jake of this board saying he used to play with him up in Bakersfield prior to getting drafted, and he claimed that he sucked and would flop hard....boy, was he ever right.
LOL, that's some shit. Weird though, cause I know he was an All American, I wouldn't have guessed that he sucked in high school. Regardless, I remember being pissed off at the pick, I wanted Josh Smith. In retrospect besides Smith we also skipped out on Al Jefferson, JR Smith, and a number of other guys that lasted more than 3 years in the league (the fuckin goon couldn't even last in the D-League) :grumpy: one of the many reasons OKC now has a basketball team.
dont forget Humphries, Wright, Nelson, Allen, Martin, Varejao & Ariza
just like taking sene over Redick, Brewer, Rondo, Lowry, Gibson or Milsap
in the draft we took Petro in we took him over Lee, Bass, Ellis, Williams, Johnson & Gortat
Yup, I've gone through the scenarios all too many times, shit's fucked up (see above post).
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as a kings fan ive been really happy with how Isiaiah Thomas is playing. hes not close to the top guy or anything, but man he is solid as can be offensivly and defensivly, especially being the 60th pick
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as a kings fan ive been really happy with how Isiaiah Thomas is playing. hes not close to the top guy or anything, but man he is solid as can be offensivly and defensivly, especially being the 60th pick
was so fucking awesome watching him play at UW last year. dudes a beast you guys got a steal at the last pick of the draft.
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how is it not Rondo
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Isaiah Thomas definitely been ballin
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how is it not Rondo
? you are acting like Rondo is on Howards level. Points are the most stacked position in the NBA. their is like 6 points that you could argue for being best (Deron, rose, paul, rondo, westbrook or Parker)