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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: rayallen0 on April 09, 2012, 12:40:01 PM
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I hope Overeem/JDS still happens but Mir is the #1 option.
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Dana hates Fedor so that'll never happen. I think it would be an interesting exchange though.
Barnett and Cormier are still in the running for the Strikforce title right?
I'd like to see Hendo personally, but Dana has always had a hard on for Mir, so he'll likely get it.
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ya but Dana said even worse things about Kimbo and then signed him.
as for strikeforce i feel like Dana would cancel it on a whim if it was for the UFC.
Mir deserves the shot not just cuz of Dana liking him. He beat Nelson, Cro Cop & Big Nog. and he broke big nogs fucking arm. He has never fought JDS before either. Dana promised to keep the Cain/Mir fight though so wouldn't be suprised if A. He knew Overeem would be cleared to fight or B. He already talked to Hendo and set it up.
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ya but Dana said even worse things about Kimbo and then signed him.
as for strikeforce i feel like Dana would cancel it on a whim if it was for the UFC.
Mir deserves the shot not just cuz of Dana liking him. He beat Nelson, Cro Cop & Big Nog. and he broke big nogs fucking arm. He has never fought JDS before either. Dana promised to keep the Cain/Mir fight though so wouldn't be suprised if A. He knew Overeem would be cleared to fight or B. He already talked to Hendo and set it up.
I don't even understand the purpose of Strikeforce anymore if Dana is just gonna gut the organization and throw all of their good fighters into the UFC. Unless he's using it as a feeder organization or something.
You did make a good point about Mir's recent wins. Though Cro Cop is over the hill, the big nog fight and Nelson fight were impressive. I really have no beef if that fight happens.
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Well he is leaving Gilbert Melendez in Strikeforce...which is a weird ass choice considering Lightweight is one of the weakest divisions in the UFC.
Strikeforce is getting rid of the heavyweight division entirely after the Cormier vs. Barnett fight.
Werdum is also in the running but he already fought JDS and it didn't go very well. so think Mir is the clear cut choice. Mark Hunt may get it because he has a lot of fans asking for it and dana does listen to the fans.
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Fuck you Overeem, you just killed my interest in a title fight. Mir's the only one who deserves the shot. And I'd expect him to get KOed quickly.
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Well he is leaving Gilbert Melendez in Strikeforce...which is a weird ass choice considering Lightweight is one of the weakest divisions in the UFC.
You're crazy, lightweight is probably the most stacked division right now. Bendo has the belt and Edgar, Diaz, Pettis, Maynard, Miller, Guida are all in the mix. I could see any of those fighters holding the belt, and there's a bunch of other fighters on the roster who could be contending in the next year with a few more wins. Barboza, Dunham, Cerrone, Ferguson, etc. Melendez would be good for one interesting title fight, other than that he doesn't add anything to the division.
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Mark Hunt may get it because he has a lot of fans asking for it and dana does listen to the fans.
Would be cool if he got a shot.... dude's a kiwi too.
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Well he is leaving Gilbert Melendez in Strikeforce...which is a weird ass choice considering Lightweight is one of the weakest divisions in the UFC.
You're crazy, lightweight is probably the most stacked division right now. Bendo has the belt and Edgar, Diaz, Pettis, Maynard, Miller, Guida are all in the mix. I could see any of those fighters holding the belt, and there's a bunch of other fighters on the roster who could be contending in the next year with a few more wins. Barboza, Dunham, Cerrone, Ferguson, etc. Melendez would be good for one interesting title fight, other than that he doesn't add anything to the division.
let me rephrase it, 2 of the best LW fighters are out of the UFC (Aoki & Melendez) both of those guys could contend for a belt.
lets look at the divisions
HW: JDS, Cain, Mir, Overeem, Werdum, Carwin, Big Nog & Big Foot Silva all making the division competitive and Cormier & Barnett will come over soon to make it even more stacked.
LHW: Jones, Rashad, Shogun, Hendo, Machida, Phil Davis, Bader, Rampage, Gustafsson, Lil Nog, etc...all the great LHWs are in the UFC.
MW: Silva, Sonnen, Belfort, Munoz, Bisping, Okami, Weidman, Stann, & Palhares. The only fighter out of the UFC i could see contend for the belt would be Hector Lombard.
WW: MacDonald, Condit, GSP, Ellenberger, Koscheck, Diaz, Hendricks, Fitch, Kampmann & Shields are all in the fight for the #1 spot.
LW: already talked about it.
FW: Aldo, Mendes, Poirier, Hioki, Nunes, Sung Jung, Hominick, Koch. 2 fighters that need to be in the UFC asap are Pat Curran & Marlon Sandro.
BW: Cruz, Faber, Jorgensen, Bowles, Torres, Pickett, Barao, McDonald, Wineland, & Mizugaki. stacked all the way through.
FW: McCall, Benavidez, Mighty Mouse, Urushitani, & Dodson. This is the actual weakest division as it was just made. Some fighters i think will be coming to the UFC soon. Jussier da Silva, Mamoru Yamaguchi, Dustin Ortiz, Shinichi Kojima, & Darrell Montague.
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Well he is leaving Gilbert Melendez in Strikeforce...which is a weird ass choice considering Lightweight is one of the weakest divisions in the UFC.
You're crazy, lightweight is probably the most stacked division right now. Bendo has the belt and Edgar, Diaz, Pettis, Maynard, Miller, Guida are all in the mix. I could see any of those fighters holding the belt, and there's a bunch of other fighters on the roster who could be contending in the next year with a few more wins. Barboza, Dunham, Cerrone, Ferguson, etc. Melendez would be good for one interesting title fight, other than that he doesn't add anything to the division.
let me rephrase it, 2 of the best LW fighters are out of the UFC (Aoki & Melendez) both of those guys could contend for a belt.
lets look at the divisions
HW: JDS, Cain, Mir, Overeem, Werdum, Carwin, Big Nog & Big Foot Silva all making the division competitive and Cormier & Barnett will come over soon to make it even more stacked.
LHW: Jones, Rashad, Shogun, Hendo, Machida, Phil Davis, Bader, Rampage, Gustafsson, Lil Nog, etc...all the great LHWs are in the UFC.
MW: Silva, Sonnen, Belfort, Munoz, Bisping, Okami, Weidman, Stann, & Palhares. The only fighter out of the UFC i could see contend for the belt would be Hector Lombard.
WW: MacDonald, Condit, GSP, Ellenberger, Koscheck, Diaz, Hendricks, Fitch, Kampmann & Shields are all in the fight for the #1 spot.
LW: already talked about it.
FW: Aldo, Mendes, Poirier, Hioki, Nunes, Sung Jung, Hominick, Koch. 2 fighters that need to be in the UFC asap are Pat Curran & Marlon Sandro.
BW: Cruz, Faber, Jorgensen, Bowles, Torres, Pickett, Barao, McDonald, Wineland, & Mizugaki. stacked all the way through.
FW: McCall, Benavidez, Mighty Mouse, Urushitani, & Dodson. This is the actual weakest division as it was just made. Some fighters i think will be coming to the UFC soon. Jussier da Silva, Mamoru Yamaguchi, Dustin Ortiz, Shinichi Kojima, & Darrell Montague.
So because 2 fighters have inflated records fighting outside the UFC makes the UFC's lightweight division weak? I think not. You basically proved my point for me by listing less contenders than I did. And a lot of those are stretching it.
HW: always has been an incredibly weak division. There is a huge gap between the top 3 and everyone else, to the point there are no interesting fights for JDS except a rematch with the guy he just KOed. That said, almost all the best heavyweights are in the UFC. There just aren't very many big men who are great fighters.
LHW: How many of those fighters you listed do you see as serious contenders for the belt? Pretty much only Rashad has a chance and he's still an underdog.
MW: Again, who in that list is a serious contender for a belt? You know your division is weak when Bisping is one of the top fighters in it. No one there is a serious threat after a rematch with Sonnen, unless Hector Lombard or Alexander Shlemenko come over and make a splash.
WW: This division is only interesting because GSP is injured. There are fighters outside the UFC who could contend with Carlos Condit. Ben Askren would lay n pray all day for the win.
FW: Who is serious competition for Aldo in the UFC? The best challenges are outside with Curran, Sandro or Pitbull.
BW: You know you don't have a stacked division when you're mentioning Mizugaki and Wineland. Makovsky and Dantas are easily top 10 material. The lighter weights in general have more good fighters outside the UFC.
I think I proved my point. Lightweight is by far the most competitive division right now and has as much talent as any other division.
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inflated?
Melendez beat Clay Guida, Rumina Sato, Josh Thomson, Shinya Aoki, Tatsuya Kawajiri 2X & Mitsuhiro Ishida
Aoki beat George Sotiropoulos, Joachim Hansen 2X, Caol Uno, Eddie Alvarez, Vitor Ribeiro & Tatsuya Kawajiri,
half the fighters you named in the UFC LW division have half as impressive records.
and Dan Henderson has a chance against Jones as well. Also Phil Davis is still improving and soon enough will be the #1 contender.
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inflated?
Melendez beat Clay Guida, Rumina Sato, Josh Thomson, Shinya Aoki, Tatsuya Kawajiri 2X & Mitsuhiro Ishida
Aoki beat George Sotiropoulos, Joachim Hansen 2X, Caol Uno, Eddie Alvarez, Vitor Ribeiro & Tatsuya Kawajiri,
half the fighters you named in the UFC LW division have half as impressive records.
and Dan Henderson has a chance against Jones as well. Also Phil Davis is still improving and soon enough will be the #1 contender.
So a split decision win over Clay Guida means you can win the title? Sorry but saying the lightweight division is weak is a pretty ludicrous statement. Having a couple good fighters outside the UFC doesn't make it weak. Especially looking at the level of talent that's there.
Do you really think Hendo has anything other than a punchers chance? And Phil Davis got dominated in every aspect of the game by Evans. He's got a long way to go.
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1. i named like 10 fighters he beat and anybody who has followed Melendez career knows he should be getting a title shot ASAP in the UFC. the weak division wasn't the right word just tired of every title fight being a rematch.
2. I don't really thing anybody has a shot against Jones but Hendo has just as good of a chance against him as Rashad.
3. Davis lasted 5 rounds with Shad coming off an injury. He didn't do well and will go back to training hard. He is a beast and has all the potential in the world. give him a year with him being healthy and i see him being the #1 contender easy.
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1. i named like 10 fighters he beat and anybody who has followed Melendez career knows he should be getting a title shot ASAP in the UFC. the weak division wasn't the right word just tired of every title fight being a rematch.
2. I don't really thing anybody has a shot against Jones but Hendo has just as good of a chance against him as Rashad.
3. Davis lasted 5 rounds with Shad coming off an injury. He didn't do well and will go back to training hard. He is a beast and has all the potential in the world. give him a year with him being healthy and i see him being the #1 contender easy.
1. Oh I have no doubt they would give him a title shot and sell the Strikeforce champ angle, much like they were going to do with Diaz. I just don't see him winning it. Just because Frankie is the one getting a rematch doesn't take away from the fact there are many other interesting title fights in the division. That's not the case in a weak division.
2. Hendo isn't as fast as Rashad and he has a problem with cardio. If he can't get inside Jones reach and KO him he's getting submitted easily.
3. He lasted 5 rounds of being outstruck and outgrappled by a superior fighter. That's like saying Nelson will fight for the belt because he survived losing to Mir and JDS. Just because the guy is young doesn't mean he'll be an elite fighter in a year.
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no it doesnt.
Alexander Gustafsson, Brian Stann & Lil Nog are no jokes. Dude has crazy athleticism and wrestling. As he keeps training with guys like Dominick Cruz his all around MMA game will only get better.
It isn't weak i misspoke im just getting tired of rematches every time. They are good fights just would like some new blood.
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Yeah but there's plenty of new blood. I want to see Pettis challenge for the belt. I want to see what Diaz and Maynard can do against Bendo. And then after that there will be another line of contenders coming up. Melendez is gonna have his hands full with Thomson and the UFC doesn't currently need him. He can come over for a superfight when they actually need a title challenger.
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Alexander Gustafsson, Brian Stann & Lil Nog are no jokes. Dude has crazy athleticism and wrestling. As he keeps training with guys like Dominick Cruz his all around MMA game will only get better.
Brock Lesnar had crazy athleticism and wrestling too. And good training partners.
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Alexander Gustafsson, Brian Stann & Lil Nog are no jokes. Dude has crazy athleticism and wrestling. As he keeps training with guys like Dominick Cruz his all around MMA game will only get better.
Brock Lesnar had crazy athleticism and wrestling too. And good training partners.
1. Lesnar was 30 when he started MMA
2. Lesnar was a beast and a champion and didn't look to bad tell he had a 12-inch piece of his colon removed
3. Phil Davis actually takes this as a career, Lesnar had the WWE to fall back down and had enough money to just be lazy.
4. Phil Davis has steadily improved and he has a crazy submission game which lesnar never had.
All he needs is to get better striking and he will be an all around well rounded fighter ready to challenge. he is already a top 10 LHW. After Rashad & Hendo he is next in line for a title shot in my eyes. (of course that is a long ways off and a lot could happen)
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Alexander Gustafsson, Brian Stann & Lil Nog are no jokes. Dude has crazy athleticism and wrestling. As he keeps training with guys like Dominick Cruz his all around MMA game will only get better.
Brock Lesnar had crazy athleticism and wrestling too. And good training partners.
1. Lesnar was 30 when he started MMA
2. Lesnar was a beast and a champion and didn't look to bad tell he had a 12-inch piece of his colon removed
3. Phil Davis actually takes this as a career, Lesnar had the WWE to fall back down and had enough money to just be lazy.
4. Phil Davis has steadily improved and he has a crazy submission game which lesnar never had.
All he needs is to get better striking and he will be an all around well rounded fighter ready to challenge. he is already a top 10 LHW. After Rashad & Hendo he is next in line for a title shot in my eyes. (of course that is a long ways off and a lot could happen)
It's more than just talking about a guy's potential and training hard. You don't know what his potential is nor if he'll ever reach it. You don't know if he'll ever be good at striking. There's far more wrestlers who never become great strikers than there are that do. You don't know if he'll master using his wrestling effectively in mma like Evans has. Everything you're talking about is in the maybe. For now, after being thoroughly dominated by Evans in every aspect of the game, he doesn't have what it takes. So looking at him as a contender in a year is pointless until he actually shows that potential in a fight. Til then he's not a credible opponent for Jones. Just because the guy is black and built doesn't mean he's going to automatically become an elite fighter.
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wtf are you talking about? have you watched him fight before Rashad Evans? he already fought 2 of the top 10 LHW and dominated them and made Brian Stann drop down to MW. He obviously is going to be something. Dude's striking has improved throughout. No he wasn't able to compete with Rashad. But he damn sure looked better than shad did during his early years (the hump the fighter for 15 minutes rashad).
Black and built? are you fucking kidding me? Then i would say a bum like Kongo could compete. but he can't until nut shots are legal.
He has Wrestling & Jiu Jitsu, He has real ground and pound (no Ben Askren).
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And my original point stands. What a fighter might possibly accomplish in the future doesn't make today's light heavyweight division any more competitive. You're dealing in the maybe. Right now he's not good enough.
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His striking has steadily improved. Against Tim Boetsch he showed great leg & middle kicks. He also evaded Boetschs great striking. and is the only fighter to ever submit Boetsch in one of the greatest submissions of all time.
or how about his fight against lil nog where he landed 2 strong high kicks & a flying knee.
He has a ways to go but to judge him off 1 fight is ridiculous.
what does this have to do with the future? he already did it? he is a top 10 fighter. his only loss is to the #1 contender. His biggest wins were the original main event for this weekend.
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wtf are you talking about? have you watched him fight before Rashad Evans? he already fought 3 of the top 10 LHW and dominated them. He obviously is going to be something. Dude's striking has improved throughout. No he wasn't able to compete with Rashad. But he damn sure looked better than shad did during his early years (the hump the fighter for 15 minutes rashad).
Black and built? are you fucking kidding me? Then i would say a bum like Kongo could compete. but he can't until nut shots are legal.
Sorry but LMAO. Since when was the Lil Nog fight a domination? He was losing on the feet then humped his way to a decision. Seeing as Rashad wasn't being dominated in his early years, I'd have to disagree with Davis looking better. Who are these other top 10 LWH he dominated? Gustafsson has looked good recently, but he was a rookie when they fought and not anywhere near the top 10.
No Davis isn't "obviously going to be something." History says otherwise. People always talk about a fighter's potential but most of the time it isn't reached. Like I said, you can't guess at his possible skills in the future as a reason the division is competitive. Ironic you bring up Kongo, because people were talking about his potential like he was the next big threat in the division. Though after a history of failing that talk tends to go away.
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His striking has steadily improved. Against Tim Boetsch he showed great leg & middle kicks. He also evaded Boetschs great striking. and is the only fighter to ever submit Boetsch in one of the greatest submissions of all time.
or how about his fight against lil nog where he landed 2 strong high kicks & a flying knee.
He has a ways to go but to judge him off 1 fight is ridiculous.
what does this have to do with the future? he already did it? he is a top 10 fighter. his only loss is to the #1 contender. His biggest wins were the original main event for this weekend.
Don't even bother bringing up the Lil Nog fight. He showed weakness there and judging by his last fight, hasn't improved from it. If Davis is a top 10 fighter its further proof of a non-competitive division.
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wtf are you talking about? have you watched him fight before Rashad Evans? he already fought 3 of the top 10 LHW and dominated them. He obviously is going to be something. Dude's striking has improved throughout. No he wasn't able to compete with Rashad. But he damn sure looked better than shad did during his early years (the hump the fighter for 15 minutes rashad).
Black and built? are you fucking kidding me? Then i would say a bum like Kongo could compete. but he can't until nut shots are legal.
Sorry but LMAO. Since when was the Lil Nog fight a domination? He was losing on the feet then humped his way to a decision. Seeing as Rashad wasn't being dominated in his early years, I'd have to disagree with Davis looking better. Who are these other top 10 LWH he dominated? Gustafsson has looked good recently, but he was a rookie when they fought and not anywhere near the top 10.
No Davis isn't "obviously going to be something." History says otherwise. People always talk about a fighter's potential but most of the time it isn't reached. Like I said, you can't guess at his possible skills in the future as a reason the division is competitive. Ironic you bring up Kongo, because people were talking about his potential like he was the next big threat in the division. Though after a history of failing that talk tends to go away.
lol you were one of them talking about Kongo recently.
you love to argue about everything.
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i wish phil davis had 3 years of being fed cans. Guarantee he wouldn't "draw" (lose) a fight against a washed up tito ortiz. Lets see his first 6 fights verse Phil Davis first 6 fights.
Brad Imes: 0-3 in the UFC dropped in 2007.
Sam Hoger: 2-3 in the UFC dropped in 2007.
Stephan Bonnar: 8-6 in the UFC. Lost every big fight he has ever had.
Jason Lambert: 4-4 in the UFC dropped in 2008.
Sean Salmon: 0-2 in the UFC dropped in 2006.
Tito Ortiz: UFC Legend. 1-5 since the fight happened.
(http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2011/0326/mma_nogueira_davis2x_300.jpg)
Phil Davis:
Brian Stann: 5-3 in the UFC. Top 10 Middleweight.
Alexander Gustafsson: 5-1 in the UFC top 10 LHW
Rodney Wallace: 0-3 in UFC dropped in 2010
Tim Boetsch: 6-3 in the UFC, hasn't lost since fight.
Antonio Rogerio Nogueira: Pride legend. 3-2 in UFC. Top 10 LHW.
Rashad Evans: Former LHW Champion. #1 LHW contender. 12-1-1 in UFC.
wonder why Rashad didn't look bad when he was fighting early on ::)
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i wish phil davis had 3 years of being fed cans. Guarantee he wouldn't "draw" (lose) a fight against a washed up tito ortiz. Lets see his first 6 fights verse Phil Davis first 6 fights.
Brad Imes: 0-3 in the UFC dropped in 2007.
Sam Hoger: 2-3 in the UFC dropped in 2007.
Stephan Bonnar: 8-6 in the UFC. Lost every big fight he has ever had.
Jason Lambert: 4-4 in the UFC dropped in 2008.
Sean Salmon: 0-2 in the UFC dropped in 2006.
Tito Ortiz: UFC Legend. 1-5 since the fight happened.
(http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2011/0326/mma_nogueira_davis2x_300.jpg)
Phil Davis:
Brian Stann: 5-3 in the UFC. Top 10 Middleweight.
Alexander Gustafsson: 5-1 in the UFC top 10 LHW
Rodney Wallace: 0-3 in UFC dropped in 2010
Tim Boetsch: 6-3 in the UFC, hasn't lost since fight.
Antonio Rogerio Nogueira: Pride legend. 3-2 in UFC. Top 10 LHW.
Rashad Evans: Former LHW Champion. #1 LHW contender. 12-1-1 in UFC.
wonder why Rashad didn't look bad when he was fighting early on ::)
How come you're avoiding the point completely? Which is that you stating his possible potential like its fact doesn't mean anything. You can't predict the future. At least let the guy improve before you stan for him. I'm going to bump this thread in a year and laugh at you when he isn't fighting for the belt.
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Of course its an estimation and my own thoughts. Not passing it off as fact.
lmao whats wrong with you? you are going to laugh at me because i see a lot of potential in a fighter? whatever gets you off i guess.
What a boring ass way to watch sports. look at pure facts and stats and think about only right now. Don't have own opinions or predictions.
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oh now you're admitting its a guess? You just said its obvious he's going to be something big. And that in a year he'd be the number one contender. I'm telling you its not.
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its obvious dude has potential.
It was obvious Ryan Leaf had potential.
no shit you can't predict anything for sure. Not sure wtf it is with you that you have to argue everyone's opinions. Would make a shit load more of an impact if you weren't known as the guy who argues just to argue.
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Don't put this on me. This whole thing started with you making the assertion that the UFC lightweight division is one of the weakest. That's flat out ridiculous and 90% of mma fans would be arguing against you.
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And wtf now you just basically changed your statement to agree with things I've said while still arguing. I've never said he didn't have potential, I said you don't know he's going to be contending one day and thus isn't currently contributing to the competitiveness of the division. At this point it sounds like you're agreeing with me, so why don't you just say that.
You know what it is, its not that I like to argue. Its that I'm good at convincing people I'm right and no one likes to admit they're wrong.
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I gotta feeling reem's going to end up fighting..............its weird that Dana said that Mir vs Cain will not be cancelled and that he's going to wait till the hearing on the 21st. They got something up their sleeve....some sort of loophole. I heard that reem was only given a conditional license by Nevada so I think they might try exploit that.