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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: Sccit on April 29, 2012, 08:41:53 PM
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Bynum is beastin' and Howard is out for the season. How the tables have turned. :D
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Bynum should be first team NBA instead of Dwight this year
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Howard quit on his team. I'm convinced he could play if he wanted to. Everything people trash talk about what LeBron did to the Cavs, Howard ACTUALLY did to the Magic and noone really cares.
Congrats to Bynum, the Lakers need him to be that good.. Denver is a team with 0 All-Stars, once it gets to 2-3 All-Stars Bynum has to bring his A-Game, can't expect Kobe to shoot a high percentage at this point.
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Howard quit on his team. I'm convinced he could play if he wanted to. Everything people trash talk about what LeBron did to the Cavs, Howard ACTUALLY did to the Magic and noone really cares.
Congrats to Bynum, the Lakers need him to be that good.. Denver is a team with 0 All-Stars, once it gets to 2-3 All-Stars Bynum has to bring his A-Game, can't expect Kobe to shoot a high percentage at this point.
dwight is definitely tryna rival LeBron for biggest bitch in the league.
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The only thing stopping me from taking Bynum over Howard right now is Bynum's ability to be the first option on a team and his maturity. If he can stop being a baby then the sky is the limit.
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The only thing stopping me from taking Bynum over Howard right now is Bynum's ability to be the first option on a team and his maturity. If he can stop being a baby then the sky is the limit.
lol...bynum is much more capable of bein a first option than dwight. u can actually throw him the ball in the paint and expect him to score...if he gets fouled, 70% free throw shooter. and lol@calling bynum a baby in defense of dwight. bynum has that mean streak that dwight doesn't. that is part of why he's better.
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Here is the thing, Bynum wants the ball at the end of the game and Howard really does. Bynum has that drive that he's learned from Kobe. But like LeBron vs. Kobe where LeBron is better in every physical measure compared to Kobe, Howard is better than Bynum in every physical important category.
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The only thing stopping me from taking Bynum over Howard right now is Bynum's ability to be the first option on a team and his maturity. If he can stop being a baby then the sky is the limit.
lol...bynum is much more capable of bein a first option than dwight. u can actually throw him the ball in the paint and expect him to score...if he gets fouled, 70% free throw shooter. and lol@calling bynum a baby in defense of dwight. bynum has that mean streak that dwight doesn't. that is part of why he's better.
lolmamaomlaom.
Bynum has been the third or fourth option his entire career and he will never be first until Kobe bows out. And the baby comment wasn't even meant to be in defense of Dwight you fucking moron.
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The only thing stopping me from taking Bynum over Howard right now is Bynum's ability to be the first option on a team and his maturity. If he can stop being a baby then the sky is the limit.
lol...bynum is much more capable of bein a first option than dwight. u can actually throw him the ball in the paint and expect him to score...if he gets fouled, 70% free throw shooter. and lol@calling bynum a baby in defense of dwight. bynum has that mean streak that dwight doesn't. that is part of why he's better.
lolmamaomlaom.
Bynum has been the third or fourth option his entire career and he will never be first until Kobe bows out. And the baby comment wasn't even meant to be in defense of Dwight you fucking moron.
you sound like a female, son, chill out. Bynum has been the second option all season, and did great as a first option when Kobe was out. also, ur whole post was a comparison of bynum to dwight, and u even said u'd take dwight over bynum because of the "maturity" factor, so it was only natural to assume u were still comparing the two in your closin sentence, young child.
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lol, he "played so much worse when Kobe was out", now he played great.
This guy changes his point pending on which player he's fighting for. I don't know how anyone takes that seriously.
However, Bynum is better than Dwight offensively, Dwight is a far better rebounder & defensive player. Plus you have to just factor in his pure athleticism.
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lol, he "played so much worse when Kobe was out", now he played great.
This guy changes his point pending on which player he's fighting for. I don't know how anyone takes that seriously.
However, Bynum is better than Dwight offensively, Dwight is a far better rebounder & defensive player. Plus you have to just factor in his pure athleticism.
lmao@dwight bein a "far better rebounder"....what is dwight's career highest rebounding total again? bynum is making huge strides on the defensive end- he will soon pass dwight in that facet of the game, as well. all dwight will have on him then is athleticism, which deandre jordan also has on bynum.
anyways, i said bynum's fg% dipped when kobe went out, as it did...but he was still showing a lot when he was out there. i think bynum musta pulled out more offensive moves in 1 of those games than dwight has all season.
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Bynum is averaging 7.8 a game in his career, Dwight is an even 13. It's also increased every single year.
& yeah, you can say "well, one day he'll be a better defender", just like I can say, "well, one day LeBron will have eight rings". Doesn't mean I can say right now he has more rings than MJ lol.
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Bynum is averaging 7.8 a game in his career, Dwight is an even 13. It's also increased every single year.
& yeah, you can say "well, one day he'll be a better defender", just like I can say, "well, one day LeBron will have eight rings". Doesn't mean I can say right now he has more rings than MJ lol.
doesn't matter, bynum has rebounded the ball way better than dwight this year...this is the first season he's playing over 30 minutes per game. lets not forget, he's also playin alongside pau, who is a career 10 RPG big...without pau eating up a lot of those rebounds, bynum would have INSANE numbers on the boards. dwight has literally NO other big eating up boards...the second best rebounder on that team is ryan anderson lmao. bynum would probably be at 20 RPG on that orlando team.
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Dwight quit on his team.
Bynum is a very talented young player, who needs to grow the fuck up and not talk back to his coach thru the media like a biatch.
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So your argument is "Fuck Dwight, Bynum would do this if this was happening, hence he's a much better rebounder". That's just idiotic. This debate is over.
Like I said, I might as well just say, IF LeBron wins eight rings he WOULD be the greatest.
I might as well say if Jarred Jefferies had a jumpshot he'd be the MVP on the league.
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Bynum size can't be teached , dude is like 7'2 and is BIG .... while Dwight is 6'10 and heavily relies on athleticism ... back pbs can't be a bitch and as he gets older he will have to improve his skills if he wants to stay at that level ... no doubt he's the most consistent and better defender right now but when Bynum is focused on the defensive end , his size is just too much to handle ... he's already the better offensive player and can make FTs
The main difference between the two is Bynum, despite his WTF moments, wants to be great , he definetely has that thrive while Dwight is more about the fame and lacks focus ( dude is always smiling and joking around on the floor)
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So your argument is "Fuck Dwight, Bynum would do this if this was happening, hence he's a much better rebounder". That's just idiotic. This debate is over.
Like I said, I might as well just say, IF LeBron wins eight rings he WOULD be the greatest.
I might as well say if Jarred Jefferies had a jumpshot he'd be the MVP on the league.
like i said, who has the higher career high in rebounds? like i also said, bynum collects only 2 less rebounds than dwight per game, despite dwight being the ONLY rebounder on the whole team. think about it, young one. if dwight played alongside gasol, how many of those rebounds would gasol be eating up? at least 4-5...if u really dont understand that, slap yaself until u do.
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It doesn't matter, he still doesn't do it. It's physically impossible for Bynum to be a better rebounder anyway because Dwight has an outstanding edge in athleticism that allows him to do things Bynum can't physically do.
Bottom line, Bynum is better on offense, Dwight is a better rebounder & far better a defender. You'd be in amazing shape to have either on your team.
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It doesn't matter, he still doesn't do it. It's physically impossible for Bynum to be a better rebounder anyway because Dwight has an outstanding edge in athleticism that allows him to do things Bynum can't physically do.
Bottom line, Bynum is better on offense, Dwight is a better rebounder & far better a defender. You'd be in amazing shape to have either on your team.
lmao, this is the dumbest shit i've heard in a while..
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How you figure? He's stronger, can jump higher. If you were an inch taller than me, but I could jump twice as high as you & was stronger than you...whose more likely to box out & get up to grab a rebound? It's just pure common sense but somehow that doesn't even click to you. That's border line scary on your intelligence lol.
I swear, you'll say anything sometimes. A few months ago you wouldn't even have got me to say Bynum's better on offense. Now you're just saying, "Well, no. Bynum is just better in every facet of the game" lol. Unreal sometimes.
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What Bynum has over Howard is that competitive edge. He is growing and is starting to show "IT". That "IT" is what separates Kobe from LeBron, Michael Jordan from the other 90's greats, Magic and Bird from the rest of the teams in the 80's, Bill Russell over Wilt Chamberlain. "IT" is not athleticism, because LeBron James is the most athletic basketball player I ever seen. I can say I never saw anyone do the things he does. He has more physical gifts than even Michael Jordan in his prime. But He doesn't have "IT". LeBron may win a title or 3, but that "IT" factor is just not there to be the man, to hit the game winning shot. When comparing Bynum to Howard, I see Bynum is starting to develop "IT", but Howard is digressing before our eyes.
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What Bynum has over Howard is that competitive edge. He is growing and is starting to show "IT". That "IT" is what separates Kobe from LeBron, Michael Jordan from the other 90's greats, Magic and Bird from the rest of the teams in the 80's, Bill Russell over Wilt Chamberlain. "IT" is not athleticism, because LeBron James is the most athletic basketball player I ever seen. I can say I never saw anyone do the things he does. He has more physical gifts than even Michael Jordan in his prime. But He doesn't have "IT". LeBron may win a title or 3, but that "IT" factor is just not there to be the man, to hit the game winning shot. When comparing Bynum to Howard, I see Bynum is starting to develop "IT", but Howard is digressing before our eyes.
Basically.
But you know Cham is gonna reply by saying there's no IT factor, like dude never played sports in his life. Then NIKCC is gonna chime in and so on...it's a never ending circle over here.
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You boys are just foolish making sports, eight second affairs. Like the last inning of Baseball or the last thirty seconds of basketball. You guys literally, not even an exaggeration, just don't count 47 minutes & 30 seconds of a game. It's actually astonishing. LeBron James has made it impossible in this series against the Knicks to show "IT" becuase he does "IT" better than anybody else in the playoffs right now & he's winning an average of 20 points per game. & Meho, get the fuck outta here lol. I've played in Baseball, Football, Basketball, Lacrosse leagues. Soccer with friends. I've probably played Hockey in more accumulated time than you've simply made your heart rate go up to 100 beats a minute & I'll include jerking off for you.
Anyway. I don't see where you see this "IT" factor when Bynum was getting benched for not even caring about the team & throwing up three's & saying "Ha, I'll do it again if Mike Brown ever plays me again" lol. Bynum is a great talent. There is no denying that. He's still a child in terms of age & hasn't even reached his prime. But the way you guys judge players with your subjective & in most cases really biased, intangibles we can't measure, it's just pure opinion. Like really? You're really saying, "Well he has more "IT" (some non-measurable form of talent that varies from a person-to-person perspective) than him, so he's just better". I might as well just say, well Derek Jeter just has more "IT" than Albert Pujols, so Jeter is just "X" amount times better than Albert. You don't see the flaws there? I'd rather just hear a "well he doesn't have rings" argument than telling me you see something inside the soul of a player lol.
& NIK, don't derail this thread by coming in here & see you have some "support" against me & just say "lol, Cham's an idiot". Any unbiased man would acknowledge there is tons of validity here, you Laker fans just get stubborn when everything isn't "I LOVE THE LAKERS".
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How you figure? He's stronger, can jump higher. If you were an inch taller than me, but I could jump twice as high as you & was stronger than you...whose more likely to box out & get up to grab a rebound? It's just pure common sense but somehow that doesn't even click to you. That's border line scary on your intelligence lol.
I swear, you'll say anything sometimes. A few months ago you wouldn't even have got me to say Bynum's better on offense. Now you're just saying, "Well, no. Bynum is just better in every facet of the game" lol. Unreal sometimes.
lmao...no way ur this basketball retarded. getting rebounds is not all about how tall u are and how high u can jump. if that were the case, kevin love wouldn't even be close to one of the best rebounders in the league. some of the greatest rebounders of all time barely had any hops. u think dennis rodman was as tall or could jump as high as deandre jordan? but who is the better rebounder? LOL...get a fuckin clue, son. not to mention, Bynum has a good 3 inches on Dwight. u dont even belong in these discussions with the points you attempt to make.
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You boys are just foolish making sports, eight second affairs. Like the last inning of Baseball or the last thirty seconds of basketball. You guys literally, not even an exaggeration, just don't count 47 minutes & 30 seconds of a game. It's actually astonishing. LeBron James has made it impossible in this series against the Knicks to show "IT" becuase he does "IT" better than anybody else in the playoffs right now & he's winning an average of 20 points per game. & Meho, get the fuck outta here lol. I've played in Baseball, Football, Basketball, Lacrosse leagues. Soccer with friends. I've probably played Hockey in more accumulated time than you've simply made your heart rate go up to 100 beats a minute & I'll include jerking off for you.
Anyway. I don't see where you see this "IT" factor when Bynum was getting benched for not even caring about the team & throwing up three's & saying "Ha, I'll do it again if Mike Brown ever plays me again" lol. Bynum is a great talent. There is no denying that. He's still a child in terms of age & hasn't even reached his prime. But the way you guys judge players with your subjective & in most cases really biased, intangibles we can't measure, it's just pure opinion. Like really? You're really saying, "Well he has more "IT" (some non-measurable form of talent that varies from a person-to-person perspective) than him, so he's just better". I might as well just say, well Derek Jeter just has more "IT" than Albert Pujols, so Jeter is just "X" amount times better than Albert. You don't see the flaws there? I'd rather just hear a "well he doesn't have rings" argument than telling me you see something inside the soul of a player lol.
& NIK, don't derail this thread by coming in here & see you have some "support" against me & just say "lol, Cham's an idiot". Any unbiased man would acknowledge there is tons of validity here, you Laker fans just get stubborn when everything isn't "I LOVE THE LAKERS".
there are certain aspects of sports that are not measurable by stats...so for an basketball retard like u, of course, it would be impossible to see without it being spelled out for u. but for people who actually watch and play the game, they can judge players based on the product they see on the court. if u saw a girl walkin down the street, would u base how fine she was on what u just saw in front of ur eyes, or would u need a statistic to tell u how fine she was? or would u just not care all together because u love the cock??
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How you figure? He's stronger, can jump higher. If you were an inch taller than me, but I could jump twice as high as you & was stronger than you...whose more likely to box out & get up to grab a rebound? It's just pure common sense but somehow that doesn't even click to you. That's border line scary on your intelligence lol.
I swear, you'll say anything sometimes. A few months ago you wouldn't even have got me to say Bynum's better on offense. Now you're just saying, "Well, no. Bynum is just better in every facet of the game" lol. Unreal sometimes.
lmao...no way ur this basketball retarded. getting rebounds is not all about how tall u are and how high u can jump. if that were the case, kevin love wouldn't even be close to one of the best rebounders in the league. some of the greatest rebounders of all time barely had any hops. u think dennis rodman was as tall or could jump as high as deandre jordan? but who is the better rebounder? LOL...get a fuckin clue, son. not to mention, Bynum has a good 3 inches on Dwight. u dont even belong in these discussions with the points you attempt to make.
I mean, I clearly said boxing out. CLEARLY Dwight knows what he's doing, hence why he's always top of the league in rebounds. You're just being a selective reader trying to fight small details inside a main argument. Decent tactic, but I see through it, my boy.
When your entire argument is trying to say Bynum who averages less rebounds a game in his career than Dwight is a better rebounder because give "ideal situations" he would average more. That's nearly as idiotic as you trying to validate Bynum shooting 20% worse when the best scorer in the league isn't playing attracting defenses away & taking more shots.
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You boys are just foolish making sports, eight second affairs. Like the last inning of Baseball or the last thirty seconds of basketball. You guys literally, not even an exaggeration, just don't count 47 minutes & 30 seconds of a game. It's actually astonishing. LeBron James has made it impossible in this series against the Knicks to show "IT" becuase he does "IT" better than anybody else in the playoffs right now & he's winning an average of 20 points per game. & Meho, get the fuck outta here lol. I've played in Baseball, Football, Basketball, Lacrosse leagues. Soccer with friends. I've probably played Hockey in more accumulated time than you've simply made your heart rate go up to 100 beats a minute & I'll include jerking off for you.
Anyway. I don't see where you see this "IT" factor when Bynum was getting benched for not even caring about the team & throwing up three's & saying "Ha, I'll do it again if Mike Brown ever plays me again" lol. Bynum is a great talent. There is no denying that. He's still a child in terms of age & hasn't even reached his prime. But the way you guys judge players with your subjective & in most cases really biased, intangibles we can't measure, it's just pure opinion. Like really? You're really saying, "Well he has more "IT" (some non-measurable form of talent that varies from a person-to-person perspective) than him, so he's just better". I might as well just say, well Derek Jeter just has more "IT" than Albert Pujols, so Jeter is just "X" amount times better than Albert. You don't see the flaws there? I'd rather just hear a "well he doesn't have rings" argument than telling me you see something inside the soul of a player lol.
& NIK, don't derail this thread by coming in here & see you have some "support" against me & just say "lol, Cham's an idiot". Any unbiased man would acknowledge there is tons of validity here, you Laker fans just get stubborn when everything isn't "I LOVE THE LAKERS".
there are certain aspects of sports that are not measurable by stats...so for an basketball retard like u, of course, it would be impossible to see without it being spelled out for u. but for people who actually watch and play the game, they can judge players based on the product they see on the court. if u saw a girl walkin down the street, would u base how fine she was on what u just saw in front of ur eyes, or would u need a statistic to tell u how fine she was? or would u just not care all together because u love the cock??
lol, pure stupidity. It's all opinion. You prove it every time you speak about the Lakers. One day Pau sucks when you're defending Kobe playing alone, the next he's great. LeBron too. Like all kidding aside, you're really going to say LeBron is just a solid all-star & there is nothing extraordinarily special about his game? You don't "see things" you just say what helps your argument. I'll even credit you saying you've said some credible NBA things on here, but you've been wrong about everything LeBron. Between saying T-Mac was better, Melo was better, Wade was better, etc. Like You go out of your way to take a shot when you can. If you're going to tell me you're not extremely biased, you're kidding yourself. That's all that "seeing something" thing is. A cheap way to basically say, "He's better because I said so". It's not unanimous. Maybe amongst Laker fans, but not to everyone. It varies from city to city. You'd have to be a moron to think your opinion on somebody is fact. Even I know what I say about LeBron has bias to it, just like a Magic fan would have bias against Dwight. So saying you "see something" is you saying "I like him more than him & I'd rather have him, despite them being really close in talent".
As for your little analogy, the same answer applies. If I love blondes (Yankees) & you love brunettes (Red Sox), you're going to think the blonde I think is a ten is more like an eight & your brunette is the baddest bitch on the planet & vice versa.
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How you figure? He's stronger, can jump higher. If you were an inch taller than me, but I could jump twice as high as you & was stronger than you...whose more likely to box out & get up to grab a rebound? It's just pure common sense but somehow that doesn't even click to you. That's border line scary on your intelligence lol.
I swear, you'll say anything sometimes. A few months ago you wouldn't even have got me to say Bynum's better on offense. Now you're just saying, "Well, no. Bynum is just better in every facet of the game" lol. Unreal sometimes.
lmao...no way ur this basketball retarded. getting rebounds is not all about how tall u are and how high u can jump. if that were the case, kevin love wouldn't even be close to one of the best rebounders in the league. some of the greatest rebounders of all time barely had any hops. u think dennis rodman was as tall or could jump as high as deandre jordan? but who is the better rebounder? LOL...get a fuckin clue, son. not to mention, Bynum has a good 3 inches on Dwight. u dont even belong in these discussions with the points you attempt to make.
I mean, I clearly said boxing out. CLEARLY Dwight knows what he's doing, hence why he's always top of the league in rebounds. You're just being a selective reader trying to fight small details inside a main argument. Decent tactic, but I see through it, my boy.
When your entire argument is trying to say Bynum who averages less rebounds a game in his career than Dwight is a better rebounder because give "ideal situations" he would average more. That's nearly as idiotic as you trying to validate Bynum shooting 20% worse when the best scorer in the league isn't playing attracting defenses away & taking more shots.
Only a complete idiot would think boxing out has anything to do with how high u can jump lmao
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So athleticism, leaping ability, strength, ability & skill to box out & height play absolutely no role in being a rebounder. They are irrelevant attributes that make no difference in the paint.
Please, all-mighty one, explain to me the art of rebounding. I thirst for your knowledge.
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So athleticism, leaping ability, strength, ability & skill to box out & height play absolutely no role in being a rebounder. They are irrelevant attributes that make no difference in the paint.
Please, all-mighty one, explain to me the art of rebounding. I thirst for your knowledge.
I never said jumping high doesn't factor into the equation, but there are many other factors. Like I said, who is a better rebounder, deandre Jordan or Kevin love?
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So athleticism, leaping ability, strength, ability & skill to box out & height play absolutely no role in being a rebounder. They are irrelevant attributes that make no difference in the paint.
Please, all-mighty one, explain to me the art of rebounding. I thirst for your knowledge.
I never said jumping high doesn't factor into the equation, but there are many other factors. Like I said, who is a better rebounder, deandre Jordan or Kevin love?
Oh, wise one. Please educate me with the "many" other factors outside of the five I mentioned above. I yearn for knowledge.
However, master, I have a question for you. What leads you to believe Kevin Love in a better rebounder? The fact STATISTICS tell you that he averages five more rebounds a game? Naturally we agree Kevin Love is a better rebounder because he averages more rebounds a game. Just like like if DeAndre averaged 18 rebounds a game, we'd think he's the best rebounder. But those numbers say Dwight is the best rebounder.
But in DeAndre's defense, he plays with Blake Griffin, who averages 11 a game, so "in an ideal situation where Blake Griffin wasn't playing, he'd PROBABLY (not positive, but it's as good a guess as any) would average 15 rebounds a game, making him the best rebounder in the league". Now how dumb does that sound?
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You boys are just foolish making sports, eight second affairs. Like the last inning of Baseball or the last thirty seconds of basketball. You guys literally, not even an exaggeration, just don't count 47 minutes & 30 seconds of a game. It's actually astonishing. LeBron James has made it impossible in this series against the Knicks to show "IT" becuase he does "IT" better than anybody else in the playoffs right now & he's winning an average of 20 points per game. & Meho, get the fuck outta here lol. I've played in Baseball, Football, Basketball, Lacrosse leagues. Soccer with friends. I've probably played Hockey in more accumulated time than you've simply made your heart rate go up to 100 beats a minute & I'll include jerking off for you.
It's not entirely about clutch factor. It's about that relentless desire to get better. Kobe has a lot of haters, but few would argue that he is the most dedicated player in the league, just like Jordan was before him.
Compare that to LeBron James in after losing the NBA Finals saying shit like this: "At the end of the day, all the people that was rooting on me to fail, at the end of the day they have to wake up tomorrow and have the same life that they had before they woke up today. They have the same personal problems they had today. I’m going to continue to live the way I want to live and continue to do the things that I want to do with me and my family and be happy with that.
Or making fun of Dirk for being sick right after losing a game to him in the NBA Finals.
Can you even imagine Kobe or Jordan doing or saying some shit like that? On top of that the best player in the league shouldn’t be playing hot potato with the ball in the 4th quarter of the most important series in his career.
And no I don’t think Bynum has that IT factor. He’s just maturing, developing that mean streak and learning to be a lot more competitive.
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So athleticism, leaping ability, strength, ability & skill to box out & height play absolutely no role in being a rebounder. They are irrelevant attributes that make no difference in the paint.
Please, all-mighty one, explain to me the art of rebounding. I thirst for your knowledge.
I never said jumping high doesn't factor into the equation, but there are many other factors. Like I said, who is a better rebounder, deandre Jordan or Kevin love?
Oh, wise one. Please educate me with the "many" other factors outside of the five I mentioned above. I yearn for knowledge.
However, master, I have a question for you. What leads you to believe Kevin Love in a better rebounder? The fact STATISTICS tell you that he averages five more rebounds a game? Naturally we agree Kevin Love is a better rebounder because he averages more rebounds a game. Just like like if DeAndre averaged 18 rebounds a game, we'd think he's the best rebounder. But those numbers say Dwight is the best rebounder.
But in DeAndre's defense, he plays with Blake Griffin, who averages 11 a game, so "in an ideal situation where Blake Griffin wasn't playing, he'd PROBABLY (not positive, but it's as good a guess as any) would average 15 rebounds a game, making him the best rebounder in the league". Now how dumb does that sound?
first of all, beating peeps to spots and having a knack for knowing where the ball is coming off the rim factors a whole lot into being a good rebounder. also, timing has a lot to do with it, as well. fact is, if being athletic automatically meant being a better rebounder, then the top rebound specialists in the league would be athletic freaks, as opposed to having the athleticism of a reggie evans, who's per 36 rebounding numbers are through the roof. is joakim noah an athletic freak? zach randolph? was charles oakley jumpin out the gym? pretty sure marcus camby can barely even leave his feet, yet he is still a top rebounder...so the fact that u said "it's physically impossible for bynum to be a better rebounder because he cant do the same things physically" proves ur dumbness when it comes to analyzing basketball. all i'm sayin.
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You boys are just foolish making sports, eight second affairs. Like the last inning of Baseball or the last thirty seconds of basketball. You guys literally, not even an exaggeration, just don't count 47 minutes & 30 seconds of a game. It's actually astonishing. LeBron James has made it impossible in this series against the Knicks to show "IT" becuase he does "IT" better than anybody else in the playoffs right now & he's winning an average of 20 points per game. & Meho, get the fuck outta here lol. I've played in Baseball, Football, Basketball, Lacrosse leagues. Soccer with friends. I've probably played Hockey in more accumulated time than you've simply made your heart rate go up to 100 beats a minute & I'll include jerking off for you.
It's not entirely about clutch factor. It's about that relentless desire to get better. Kobe has a lot of haters, but few would argue that he is the most dedicated player in the league, just like Jordan was before him.
Compare that to LeBron James in after losing the NBA Finals saying shit like this: "At the end of the day, all the people that was rooting on me to fail, at the end of the day they have to wake up tomorrow and have the same life that they had before they woke up today. They have the same personal problems they had today. I’m going to continue to live the way I want to live and continue to do the things that I want to do with me and my family and be happy with that.
Or making fun of Dirk for being sick right after losing a game to him in the NBA Finals.
Can you even imagine Kobe or Jordan doing or saying some shit like that? On top of that the best player in the league shouldn’t be playing hot potato with the ball in the 4th quarter of the most important series in his career.
And no I don’t think Bynum has that IT factor. He’s just maturing, developing that mean streak and learning to be a lot more competitive.
I understand & respect your point, but I wouldn't saying being a dick relates to who you are as a basketball player. You say "dedication", but I mean Tyler Hansborough might be more "dedicated" than Dwight Howard, but by no force on Earth do I think Tyler is a better basketball player.
LeBron does pass the ball more than he should, but at the end of the day, how many times can you say "Wow, LeBron what a stupid pass?". Plus people like NIK are the first to say LeBron is a fairly average shooter. Why should he take a shot he's only average at when he can set up a sharp shooter like Mike Miller to be wide open in a corner?
I can't "see" MJ or Kobe saying things like that because that's just not the personalities they are. Then again, they've never faced the adversity those two faced. Even post-rape Kobe didn't face heat from the fans rooting against him. LeBron has literally 90% of NBA fans against him. Like even I'm not a Kobe hater. I love Kobe. There's nothing better than watching Kobe go off & dominate a game. Check my history. First Laker/Celtic Final a few years ago, I was rooting my ass off for Kobe. Then NIK & a few other Laker fans just became Skip Bayless/Tim Tebow like with some of the shit they came up with.
Bottom line, I personally don't think there is an "IT". People are just classic prisoners of the moment & formulate opinions off of that. A-Rod was the "biggest choke in MLB history" & then one year he basically single-handedly won the Yankees a World Series, nobody said anything about it ever again. In reality it should happen for LeBron. In all likelihood, he should win three titles. Then the argument people will make for him is "imagine he won when he was younger, he could of had ten" lol. I get people who see the other side of the spectrum though.
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So athleticism, leaping ability, strength, ability & skill to box out & height play absolutely no role in being a rebounder. They are irrelevant attributes that make no difference in the paint.
Please, all-mighty one, explain to me the art of rebounding. I thirst for your knowledge.
I never said jumping high doesn't factor into the equation, but there are many other factors. Like I said, who is a better rebounder, deandre Jordan or Kevin love?
Oh, wise one. Please educate me with the "many" other factors outside of the five I mentioned above. I yearn for knowledge.
However, master, I have a question for you. What leads you to believe Kevin Love in a better rebounder? The fact STATISTICS tell you that he averages five more rebounds a game? Naturally we agree Kevin Love is a better rebounder because he averages more rebounds a game. Just like like if DeAndre averaged 18 rebounds a game, we'd think he's the best rebounder. But those numbers say Dwight is the best rebounder.
But in DeAndre's defense, he plays with Blake Griffin, who averages 11 a game, so "in an ideal situation where Blake Griffin wasn't playing, he'd PROBABLY (not positive, but it's as good a guess as any) would average 15 rebounds a game, making him the best rebounder in the league". Now how dumb does that sound?
first of all, beating peeps to spots and having a knack for knowing where the ball is coming off the rim factors a whole lot into being a good rebounder. also, timing has a lot to do with it, as well. fact is, if being athletic automatically meant being a better rebounder, then the top rebound specialists in the league would be athletic freaks, as opposed to having the athleticism of a reggie evans, who's per 36 rebounding numbers are through the roof. is joakim noah an athletic freak? zach randolph? was charles oakley jumpin out the gym? pretty sure marcus camby can barely even leave his feet, yet he is still a top rebounder...so the fact that u said "it's physically impossible for bynum to be a better rebounder because he cant do the same things physically" proves ur dumbness when it comes to analyzing basketball. all i'm sayin.
Just admit that you're just going to bring something up until "NIK is right & Cham is wrong" because you're just reaching. You're crediting Andrew Bynum for "having a knack", not a skill, just a "hunch" of knowing where somebody will be. Everybody in the NBA is an athletic freak, you idiot. But if you're going to deny Dwight Howard isn't the IDEAL build for a basketball player & JUST SO HAPPENS to be the best rebounder in basketball, just let me know, so I can stop this nonsense now. It's pretty simple. Kevin Love, Noah, Randolph, big physical bodies who know how to use it. Camby has the lankiness and wingspan of two people, along with McGee. Then you have Dwight & Blake who just freakishly dominate the boards with athletic ability. But at the end of the day, these PROFESSIONAL basketball players all know how to time a rebound & box out, so at that level, Dwight being stronger & being able to out jump Bynum will make him a better rebounder. What aren't you understanding outside of you just saying whatever you can to come out on top? You literally took one quote & just rode it to death. Then misquoted it on top of that. I didn't say "athletic ability = amazing rebounder". I said DWIGHT'S, his athleticism is what sets him ahead of BYNUM. It was a comparison from player to player. Dwight is obviously skilled, Bynum is obviously skilled. So between them Dwight's athletic ability, along side with his skill makes him better.
But you still ignored why you think Kevin Love is such a great rebounder? The statistics. If he averaged eight a game, you wouldn't consider him the best rebounder. Simple as that.
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i'm gunna stop, this is gettin way too dumb
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You boys are just foolish making sports, eight second affairs. Like the last inning of Baseball or the last thirty seconds of basketball. You guys literally, not even an exaggeration, just don't count 47 minutes & 30 seconds of a game. It's actually astonishing. LeBron James has made it impossible in this series against the Knicks to show "IT" becuase he does "IT" better than anybody else in the playoffs right now & he's winning an average of 20 points per game. & Meho, get the fuck outta here lol. I've played in Baseball, Football, Basketball, Lacrosse leagues. Soccer with friends. I've probably played Hockey in more accumulated time than you've simply made your heart rate go up to 100 beats a minute & I'll include jerking off for you.
Anyway. I don't see where you see this "IT" factor when Bynum was getting benched for not even caring about the team & throwing up three's & saying "Ha, I'll do it again if Mike Brown ever plays me again" lol. Bynum is a great talent. There is no denying that. He's still a child in terms of age & hasn't even reached his prime. But the way you guys judge players with your subjective & in most cases really biased, intangibles we can't measure, it's just pure opinion. Like really? You're really saying, "Well he has more "IT" (some non-measurable form of talent that varies from a person-to-person perspective) than him, so he's just better". I might as well just say, well Derek Jeter just has more "IT" than Albert Pujols, so Jeter is just "X" amount times better than Albert. You don't see the flaws there? I'd rather just hear a "well he doesn't have rings" argument than telling me you see something inside the soul of a player lol.
& NIK, don't derail this thread by coming in here & see you have some "support" against me & just say "lol, Cham's an idiot". Any unbiased man would acknowledge there is tons of validity here, you Laker fans just get stubborn when everything isn't "I LOVE THE LAKERS".
I don't know how you can't see this. Yes, Lebron plays so great that the IT or clutch factors isn't necessary. Almost always. Almost. In every sport you have guys that dominate but there's always an opponent out there, where you can't dominate like that. Where things get edgy. Pressure. You know that one play can decide the faith of the whole game. It's never so easy. That's why Lebron was beasting and cruising the whole season last year, until Dallas showed up in the finals and they couldn't just dominate like that. That's when his true colors had shown.
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i'm gunna stop, this is gettin way too dumb
Agreed
I will say this as my closing statement.
You ask why the last moments of a game are so important. Well that's when the game is won. Kobe closes games. At the same time he keeps his teams in the game long enough to give himself a chance to win. If you play sports, you know that there are different parts of a game. The beginning, when you are starting to get to know how the game will go, the middle when you are trying to get a lead and give yourself a chance to win, and then end when you close out the game. Kobe is better at closing then anyone today.
You talk about talent, Wilt Chamberlain had more talent that Bill Russell, even had more talent around him than Russell in 1969. The '69 Lakers might have been the most talented team in NBA history. That talent did not lead to a championship as Russell had that "IT" factor, that clutch factor. Russell proved over and over that he was better than Chamberlain. On talent, Chamberlain was heads and shoulders better than Russell, but Russell just always beat Wilt. You can't explain it.
LeBron is Wilt, his better than everyone. He has talent that no one else has. Same with Howard. Howard is the most talented big man in the league right now. But Kobe has won more titles LBJ, and right now I'd rather have Bynum on my team than Howard. And you can look up my history, I begged the Lakers to trade Bynum for Howard. I wanted Howard on the Lakers more than anyone here. But right now, if people think Bynum is acting up, Howard is a drama queen right now. A tossed up 3 and benching is nothing compared to the drama Howard has had this year, including trying to get Stan Van Gundy fired. Bynum is acting like a 5 year old who had his Power Ranger taken away, Howard is acting like a 3 year old who is learning to come off the bottle. But in terms of competing, Bynum is stepping up. 10 blocks and 13 rebounds in a playoff game, coming up big when it counts most. Bynum is starting to show signs of maturing a bit. If I was the Lakers, and I'm not, I'd rehire Kareem to mentor Bynum some more and help him in the next faze of his career.
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i'm gunna stop, this is gettin way too dumb
On talent, Chamberlain was heads and shoulders better than Russell, but Russell just always beat Wilt. You can't explain it.
Yes you can lol. I can't speak on that because I wasn't relatively close to being around then, but to compare it to today, it's like how the Lakers always beat the Kings in the playoffs. The Lakers just had more talent. It's a team game. If you pin winning & losing on one player from the winning team beating one player from the losing team, you're lost already.
I mean you guys are all Laker fans, so it makes sense for you guys to be more entrapped in this "alternate world" where people play better in the last thirty seconds than they do for the other forty-seven and a half. They've thrown Kobe & all his highlights at you for years. It's good for business. Take away Jordan being larger than life & Nike isn't where it's at, the Jordan brand is no bigger than Chris Bosh's shoes (exaggeration, relax) & the NBA doesn't have a name to market for future players to live up to being. I guarantee that in the late 80's people were saying the same thing about Jordan, how he isn't Bird or Magic. MJ won rings, hit a few shots for highlight makers to throw at you making you think he shots "better" in the last seconds than he did for the rest of the game & now you have the face of the sport. They're doing it it with Kobe & then if LeBron starts winning, him & then Durant & so on. It's so simple, but they know people become so connected with these teams & players & you'll ride to the death before you listen to someone like me. Facts are just facts, they shoot similarly & in most cases worse in the closing minutes than they do for the rest of the game, it just comes down to who has the most in order to market you.
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http://www.youtube.com/v/NPNxjJmYKrQ
I know that's just a commercial & they're trying to be funny, but there is some truth behind that. If you have some plays, they can make you look immortal.
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I don't know how you can't see this. Yes, Lebron plays so great that the IT or clutch factors isn't necessary. Almost always. Almost. In every sport you have guys that dominate but there's always an opponent out there, where you can't dominate like that. Where things get edgy. Pressure. You know that one play can decide the faith of the whole game. It's never so easy. That's why Lebron was beasting and cruising the whole season last year, until Dallas showed up in the finals and they couldn't just dominate like that. That's when his true colors had shown.
Nothing else need be said.
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i'm gunna stop, this is gettin way too dumb
On talent, Chamberlain was heads and shoulders better than Russell, but Russell just always beat Wilt. You can't explain it.
Yes you can lol. I can't speak on that because I wasn't relatively close to being around then, but to compare it to today, it's like how the Lakers always beat the Kings in the playoffs. The Lakers just had more talent. It's a team game. If you pin winning & losing on one player from the winning team beating one player from the losing team, you're lost already.
I mean you guys are all Laker fans, so it makes sense for you guys to be more entrapped in this "alternate world" where people play better in the last thirty seconds than they do for the other forty-seven and a half. They've thrown Kobe & all his highlights at you for years. It's good for business. Take away Jordan being larger than life & Nike isn't where it's at, the Jordan brand is no bigger than Chris Bosh's shoes (exaggeration, relax) & the NBA doesn't have a name to market for future players to live up to being. I guarantee that in the late 80's people were saying the same thing about Jordan, how he isn't Bird or Magic. MJ won rings, hit a few shots for highlight makers to throw at you making you think he shots "better" in the last seconds than he did for the rest of the game & now you have the face of the sport. They're doing it it with Kobe & then if LeBron starts winning, him & then Durant & so on. It's so simple, but they know people become so connected with these teams & players & you'll ride to the death before you listen to someone like me. Facts are just facts, they shoot similarly & in most cases worse in the closing minutes than they do for the rest of the game, it just comes down to who has the most in order to market you.
This has to do with Russell beating Chamberlain? You are trying way too hard with this.
I don't know how you can't see this. Yes, Lebron plays so great that the IT or clutch factors isn't necessary. Almost always. Almost. In every sport you have guys that dominate but there's always an opponent out there, where you can't dominate like that. Where things get edgy. Pressure. You know that one play can decide the faith of the whole game. It's never so easy. That's why Lebron was beasting and cruising the whole season last year, until Dallas showed up in the finals and they couldn't just dominate like that. That's when his true colors had shown.
Nothing else need be said.
Truth
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i'm gunna stop, this is gettin way too dumb
On talent, Chamberlain was heads and shoulders better than Russell, but Russell just always beat Wilt. You can't explain it.
Yes you can lol. I can't speak on that because I wasn't relatively close to being around then, but to compare it to today, it's like how the Lakers always beat the Kings in the playoffs. The Lakers just had more talent. It's a team game. If you pin winning & losing on one player from the winning team beating one player from the losing team, you're lost already.
I mean you guys are all Laker fans, so it makes sense for you guys to be more entrapped in this "alternate world" where people play better in the last thirty seconds than they do for the other forty-seven and a half. They've thrown Kobe & all his highlights at you for years. It's good for business. Take away Jordan being larger than life & Nike isn't where it's at, the Jordan brand is no bigger than Chris Bosh's shoes (exaggeration, relax) & the NBA doesn't have a name to market for future players to live up to being. I guarantee that in the late 80's people were saying the same thing about Jordan, how he isn't Bird or Magic. MJ won rings, hit a few shots for highlight makers to throw at you making you think he shots "better" in the last seconds than he did for the rest of the game & now you have the face of the sport. They're doing it it with Kobe & then if LeBron starts winning, him & then Durant & so on. It's so simple, but they know people become so connected with these teams & players & you'll ride to the death before you listen to someone like me. Facts are just facts, they shoot similarly & in most cases worse in the closing minutes than they do for the rest of the game, it just comes down to who has the most in order to market you.
This has to do with Russell beating Chamberlain? You are trying way too hard with this.
Did we miss it?
"Yes you can lol. I can't speak on that because I wasn't relatively close to being around then, but to compare it to today, it's like how the Lakers always beat the Kings in the playoffs. The Lakers just had more talent. It's a team game. If you pin winning & losing on one player from the winning team beating one player from the losing team, you're lost already."