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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: Darkwing Duck (The Reincarnation) on June 21, 2012, 06:04:31 PM
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from collaborating wit local Long Beach-artists like Lil C-Style during the 19th Street era, to having his upcoming group-album executive produced by a mainstream artist like Eminem.
he deserves it imo, hes the most talented mc that ever came out of Long Beach
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best lyricist in Cali by far
Crooked started rapping "professionally" in 1995, including doing that C Style song "Rap Killer" in '95
crazy how he's still in his prime
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best lyricist in Cali by far
I think Locksmith is Crooked I's equal when it comes to spit str8 fire on tha mic - dude is fenomenal and a battle between Crook and Lock would be EPIC 8)
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from collaborating wit local Long Beach-artists like Lil C-Style during the 19th Street era, to having his upcoming group-album executive produced by a mainstream artist like Eminem.
he deserves it imo, hes the most talented mc that ever came out of Long Beach
Actually, it's kind of sad, because after all those years of grinding in the streets, he still sold out in the end.
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i wonder if crooked is one of those rappers who hangs out at the swap meet trying to sell his tapes to people.
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best lyricist in Cali by far
I think Locksmith is Crooked I's equal when it comes to spit str8 fire on tha mic - dude is fenomenal and a battle between Crook and Lock would be EPIC 8)
I would pay a ridiculous amount of money to see that battle!! ;D
And yes. Crook > everybody else
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hes the most talented mc that ever came out of Long Beach
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He can do whatever he wants, he gave everything to the underground.
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from collaborating wit local Long Beach-artists like Lil C-Style during the 19th Street era, to having his upcoming group-album executive produced by a mainstream artist like Eminem.
he deserves it imo, hes the most talented mc that ever came out of Long Beach
That LBC shit is still the dopest shit he ever did... It was an honor for him to be affiliated with the legendary LBC Crew in the mid 90's. LBC Crew mid 90's >>>>>> Slaughterhouse. (And I'm a Slaughterhouse fan).
Also, by the way. Snoop is the most talented out the LBC. Then Daz, then Nate, then Warren, then Tray Dee, then the Twinz.. then maybe Crooked
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it's a group album...he deserves a solo of this caliber.
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He definitely deserves all the shine he's gettin'. Hopefully he comes out with his first solo album soon too, it's been too long.
from collaborating wit local Long Beach-artists like Lil C-Style during the 19th Street era, to having his upcoming group-album executive produced by a mainstream artist like Eminem.
he deserves it imo, hes the most talented mc that ever came out of Long Beach
That LBC shit is still the dopest shit he ever did... It was an honor for him to be affiliated with the legendary LBC Crew in the mid 90's.
He was affiliated with the whole Dogg Pound, not just the LBC Crew. Crooked is still good friends with Big Style and he's still fuckin with a lot of Dogg Pound members.
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from collaborating wit local Long Beach-artists like Lil C-Style during the 19th Street era, to having his upcoming group-album executive produced by a mainstream artist like Eminem.
he deserves it imo, hes the most talented mc that ever came out of Long Beach
Actually, it's kind of sad, because after all those years of grinding in the streets, he still sold out in the end.
isnt the whole point of grindin so you can eventually make it and break into the mainstream .
preferably by not selling out.
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best lyricist in Cali by far
I think Locksmith is Crooked I's equal when it comes to spit str8 fire on tha mic - dude is fenomenal and a battle between Crook and Lock would be EPIC 8)
Lock would kill Crooked I in a battle as he's actually a battle rapper. Crooked I would pull a Canibus.
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Crooked doesn't even write his rhymes down on paper, how COULD he pull a Canibus?
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Crooked doesn't even write his rhymes down on paper, how COULD he pull a Canibus?
lol, thats a lie
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Crooked doesn't even write his rhymes down on paper, how COULD he pull a Canibus?
lol, thats a lie
no it's not
he said on twitter he hasn't wrote down any rhymes on paper in years
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yea...cuz he uses his iphone :)
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yea...cuz he uses his iphone :)
I don't know if he always does it like this but I've sat in on several sessions where he went in the booth and came up with the verse few bars at a time while in the booth, no pen/paper/iphone.
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so ur sayin he memorizes his whole rhyme in his head, then spits it? i've seen my share of peeps doin that, but not with the same multi-rhyming ability as crooked.
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from collaborating wit local Long Beach-artists like Lil C-Style during the 19th Street era, to having his upcoming group-album executive produced by a mainstream artist like Eminem.
he deserves it imo, hes the most talented mc that ever came out of Long Beach
That LBC shit is still the dopest shit he ever did... It was an honor for him to be affiliated with the legendary LBC Crew in the mid 90's. LBC Crew mid 90's >>>>>> Slaughterhouse. (And I'm a Slaughterhouse fan).
Also, by the way. Snoop is the most talented out the LBC. Then Daz, then Nate, then Warren, then Tray Dee, then the Twinz.. then maybe Crooked
Crooked is the msot talented mc/lyricist from Long Beach.
the only LBC-artsit that ever came remotely close to Crooked I, as an mc, was probably Techniec.
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kurupt in his prime
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^^^ kurupt is from philly by way of south central LA. Same hood where nipsey hussle is from not LB.
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speakin on west coast lyricists in general...kurupt in his prime is up there with crooked i
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so ur sayin he memorizes his whole rhyme in his head, then spits it? i've seen my share of peeps doin that, but not with the same multi-rhyming ability as crooked.
No he literally walks in the booth with no verse in mind, listens to the beat and then starts mumbling bars in his head, spits a couple bars, then does the next etc and by the end of it he can double the whole thing in one take. Pretty amazing.
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so ur sayin he memorizes his whole rhyme in his head, then spits it? i've seen my share of peeps doin that, but not with the same multi-rhyming ability as crooked.
No he literally walks in the booth with no verse in mind, listens to the beat and then starts mumbling bars in his head, spits a couple bars, then does the next etc and by the end of it he can double the whole thing in one take. Pretty amazing.
"can i get an amen" - Vakill
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https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=225981065639
Guess it doesn't really prove that he didn't write, you'll have to take my word for it. lol
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so ur sayin he memorizes his whole rhyme in his head, then spits it? i've seen my share of peeps doin that, but not with the same multi-rhyming ability as crooked.
No he literally walks in the booth with no verse in mind, listens to the beat and then starts mumbling bars in his head, spits a couple bars, then does the next etc and by the end of it he can double the whole thing in one take. Pretty amazing.
So he records line by line? That's pretty smart.. So let me get this straight, his tracks are recorded bar by bar or does he delete the initial takes and use the double as the main? I think ima try this method out
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this is the record he was recording that day: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkTMGI-nZ_w&feature=youtu.be
@NIKCC i can only speak for the sessions that i've been in im sure that he also writes, and i haven't been at any of the slaughterhouse sessions. but from what i saw he goes in there, and lays a couple of bars at a time as he comes up with the verse. i dont think he deletes it later. a lot of rappers work that way, e-40 too. i saw him record in amsterdam and the amount of tracks he lays per verse and his whole process was really interesting.
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this is the record he was recording that day: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkTMGI-nZ_w&feature=youtu.be
@NIKCC i can only speak for the sessions that i've been in im sure that he also writes, and i haven't been at any of the slaughterhouse sessions. but from what i saw he goes in there, and lays a couple of bars at a time as he comes up with the verse. i dont think he deletes it later. a lot of rappers work that way, e-40 too. i saw him record in amsterdam and the amount of tracks he lays per verse and his whole process was really interesting.
good shit. it might be easier that way, 2 be honest.. more natural soundin than readin off a paper.
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When i was a teen an was a "rapper" i used to memorize my lyrics so i could rap em better, shit i wasnt no crooked i though!
One of his verses must be a few pages half the time.
Anyway, yeah he's come a long way but lets see how good the Shady slaughterhouse album is and how well it dose.
Considering hes from Long beach and was around when that sound was so big, being around Snoop and that, you'd kind of expected him to be successful. i mean as far as having unbelievable talent as well as being from Long beach and being signed young.
Seems a massive waste of talent in some ways but yeah after being a DPG affiliate, could've signed to Aftermath(apparently?), signed to Deathrow, being as talented as he his, so he should've come a long way.
But i guess when you consider he was never in DPG, Beef with Snoop, early deal not working out, the Deathrow failure/waste of all that hype for four years, he's done pretty dam good.
I think hop weeklys did have alot to do with his current position.
I have to agree though that i liked crooked I way more back in the days of the two C style albums. I dont know if its just because he was so much better than everybody else on the songs he was on, but i think he flowed better then and also the production was so much better than what he raps over now.
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Crooked I wasnt affilaited wit DPG or Snoop. he was just around mutual people like Big C-Style, n then Daz eventually helped him out by bringin him to Death Row,
hilarious how he never dropped an album to thsi day tho, he'll never be a superstar or legend like Snoop who paved the way for him, but he deserves to be bigger than what he is. he's too talented for Long Beach and some local westcoast-scene, so its good to c that hes on a bigger platform today in the industry
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^how come he did songs with Snoop then?
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^everybody has done songs wit Snoop, u dont have to be affilaited to record wit him
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Good point but not back in those days. Snoop never used to work with anyone that wasnt DPG/deathrow/lbc back then.
The crooks n dogs song is the best example anyways. Find it strange he wasnt put in DPG or LBC crew after doing songs like that. But maybe that was 1996 a bit later on.
Dunno.
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Crooked I wasnt affilaited wit DPG or Snoop. he was just around mutual people like Big C-Style, n then Daz eventually helped him out by bringin him to Death Row,
hilarious how he never dropped an album to thsi day tho, he'll never be a superstar or legend like Snoop who paved the way for him, but he deserves to be bigger than what he is. he's too talented for Long Beach and some local westcoast-scene, so its good to c that hes on a bigger platform today in the industry
This is completely false.
Crooked I was at one point signed to DPG records. You can't get more affiliated then that.
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Snoop didnt collaborate wit Crooked I until a few yrs ago actually. "Guess Whos' back"
but they were featured on the same track a few times prior to that. Crook was just added to "Feels so Good", teh og didnt ahve him on it -- most of those appearances (just like "stay outta la" and "poor man cry"), were most likely hooked up by mutual friends like BIg C-Style or Daz. i really doubt Crook was ever in Snoop's or DPG's circle like that, he was just one of C-Styles artists, & a guy from around the way in Long Beach.
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I dunno but "crooks n dogs" has Snoop n crook switching verse for verse like they were in the studio together dunno?
And yeah he was on DPG recordz i forgot about that had songs with Nate n snoop n that if i recal?
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Crooked I was signed to DPG records.
That's all that needs to be said.
Secondly, he collaborated with snoop on the song crooks n doggz while signed to the label. So again, false.
He was also featured on multiple songs on kurupt the streetz iz a mutha and has worked with pretty much every single artist thats ever been connected to the label.
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incorrect.
Daz has never been an artist-signing CEO-boss, lol. Crook was just doin a project which was meant to be put out in conjuction wit DPG Recordz, all the albums Daz put out for Lil C-Style (Rochead Recordz) and RBX etc, were albums he put out in conjuctional distriubtion deals.
i doubt Crook was ever around Daz, Kurupt, Snoop or their circle like that. hes just been on the same tracks as them a few time, altho Crook and Kurupt did fuck wit each other plenty of times (especially when they were on Death Row at the same time)
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incorrect.
Daz has never been a CEO-boss, lol. Crook was just doin a project which was meant to be put out in conjuction wit DPG Recordz, all the albums Daz put out for Lil C-Style (Rochead Recordz) and RBX etc, were albums he put out in conjuctional distriubtion deals.
Crook was never around Daz, Kurupt, Snoop or their circle like that. hes just been on the same tracks as them a few time, altho Crook and Kurupt did fuck wit each other plenty of times (especially when they were on Death Row at the same time)
CEO no, but Suge was going to let Daz have his own label, DPG Recordz run by Daz and distributed by DR, much how Young Money is with Cash Money. Crooked, Soopafly, Lil C-Style and someone else (maybe Swoop G) were the first artists on the label. They had a ad in the Source and everything. Snoop was hella pissed about it because for one he at one time wanted to name his label DPG Recordz, didn't own the rights to Doggystyle Records after he left and they put a x through his name on the promo page.
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incorrect.
Daz has never been an artist-signing CEO-boss, lol. Crook was just doin a project which was meant to be put out in conjuction wit DPG Recordz, all the albums Daz put out for Lil C-Style (Rochead Recordz) and RBX etc, were albums he put out in conjuctional distriubtion deals.
Crook was never around Daz, Kurupt, Snoop or their circle like that. hes just been on the same tracks as them a few time, altho Crook and Kurupt did fuck wit each other plenty of times (especially when they were on Death Row at the same time)
DPG records was a sub label on death row, like D- nice said they had ads. Crooked I was to release his first album on the label entitled The Puzzle. Daz is/was the CEO of DPG records, first as a sub label then as it's own independent label.
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I think you don't know what the word affiliated means.
n. (--t, -t)
A person, organization, or establishment associated with another as a subordinate, subsidiary, or member: network affiliates.
affiliated
adj affiliated [əˈfilieitid]
connected with or joined to (a larger group etc) as a member an affiliated branch of the union.
n afˌfiliˈation
a connection with (an organization etc) What are his political affiliations?
Kernerman English Multilingual Dictionary © 2006-2010 K Dictionaries Ltd.
Now as an artist to release an album on DPG records I think it's safe to say he was affiliated with DPG.
It's like this, Jay Rock and Brotha lynch hung are releasing albums through Strange. They arent card carrying members like say Kurt Calhoun and krizz kaliko but they are affiliated with the label and crew.
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nope,
i find it hard to believe that Crooked was ever singned to the cigar-smoking "Big Boss Dogg" - Daz Dillinger as an artist by paper-work.
it was most likely just a 50/50 "1 album"-deal or distriubtion deal, jsut like teh one he laid down for RBX and Lil C-Style later on.
regardless, the album never came out & Daz subsidiary to Death Row records didnt come to frution (just like Snoops Doggystyle Records), n even if Crook did collaborate wit Daz and Kurupt on 7 or 8 songs,
and was on the same song as Snoop 3 or 4 times - I dont look at him as an affiliate to the DPG-universe.
not even close, hes from the 19th Street Records-familytree
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Crooked doesn't even write his rhymes down on paper, how COULD he pull a Canibus?
More proof you're a retard: http://www.sohh.com/2010/04/crooked_i_keeps_his_pen_game_on_paper_yo.html
Not only is that not true, it still has nothing to do with how well he would fare battling face to face.
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nope,
i find it hard to believe that Crooked was ever singned to the cigar-smoking "Big Boss Dogg" - Daz Dillinger as an artist by paper-work.
it was most likely just a 50/50 "1 album"-deal or distriubtion deal, jsut like teh one he laid down for RBX and Lil C-Style later on.
regardless, the album never came out & Daz subsidiary to Death Row records didnt come to frution (just like Snoops Doggystyle Records), n even if Crook did collaborate wit Daz and Kurupt on 7 or 8 songs,
and was on the same song as Snoop 3 or 4 times - I dont look at him as an affiliate to the DPG-universe.
not even close, hes from the 19th Street Records-familytree
You also claimed snoop and crook never made a song together until guess who's back.
For a guy who has a creepy obsession with dpg you sure don't know what the fuck your talking about.
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nope,
i find it hard to believe that Crooked was ever singned to the cigar-smoking "Big Boss Dogg" - Daz Dillinger as an artist by paper-work.
it was most likely just a 50/50 "1 album"-deal or distriubtion deal, jsut like teh one he laid down for RBX and Lil C-Style later on.
regardless, the album never came out & Daz subsidiary to Death Row records didnt come to frution (just like Snoops Doggystyle Records), n even if Crook did collaborate wit Daz and Kurupt on 7 or 8 songs,
and was on the same song as Snoop 3 or 4 times - I dont look at him as an affiliate to the DPG-universe.
not even close, hes from the 19th Street Records-familytree
You also claimed snoop and crook never made a song together until guess who's back.
yup, wouldnt say they collaborated wit each other until "guess whos back", they were just on teh same track a few times prior to taht. not the same thing
if ur goin to get emotional as always n succumb to childish insults wit ur arguments, take ur L n move on.
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from collaborating wit local Long Beach-artists like Lil C-Style during the 19th Street era, to having his upcoming group-album executive produced by a mainstream artist like Eminem.
he deserves it imo, hes the most talented mc that ever came out of Long Beach
That LBC shit is still the dopest shit he ever did... It was an honor for him to be affiliated with the legendary LBC Crew in the mid 90's. LBC Crew mid 90's >>>>>> Slaughterhouse. (And I'm a Slaughterhouse fan).
Also, by the way. Snoop is the most talented out the LBC. Then Daz, then Nate, then Warren, then Tray Dee, then the Twinz.. then maybe Crooked
Crooked is the msot talented mc/lyricist from Long Beach.
the only LBC-artsit that ever came remotely close to Crooked I, as an mc, was probably Techniec.
Techniec was/is a dope lyricist indeed. so is Bad Azz and tray deee. the Twinz are actually pretty nice too. they're wont come with any punchline, double entendre and all that but they know how write good verses.
anyway Crooked I wasn't a Dogg Pound artist per se, but he did fuck with Tha Dogg Pound when he was on Death Row, he was even reppin' Tha Pound in his lyrics. but that's when Snoop had fell out with Daz so Crooked I wasn't around Snoop but he was definitely in Daz & Kurupt's circles, hence his being on several songs with them on Tha Streetz Iz A Mutha for example.
but yeah, considering his career, i agree with mike, he's not a dogg pound artist like bad azz for example, he used to be around at a certain time but he never stuck and snoop & daz probably hate him.
crook is by far the best rapper out of long beach for me, it's too bad he never released an album despite having recorded several during his career.
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Lmao so what is crookz n doggz then? A track they just happen to both appear on even though their names are implied in the song title and they mention eachother in their verses?
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Forget Long Beach & the Westcoast, Crooked I is one of the best MC's period. If he had of released a steady flow of albums he would be one of the GOAT's of Hip Hop.
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Sorry but to hold Locksmith in the same category as Crooked I is ludicrous for anybody to even mention. Locksmith has some dope flows, but his catalog of work is about 1/75th of that of Crooked I. I probably don't even have a third of his tracks and I have over 400 Crooked I tracks on my computer. Any true hip-hop fan knows that there really isn't anyone that compare to Crooked I when it comes to pure spitting and wordplay.
On a side note, when it's all said and done, solo success or not, Crooked I will be heralded as one of the rawest emcees of all time. Rappers all know who he is and recognize his skill, he's a personal favorite of some of the greats out there (Bun-B, Raekwon, Game, DJ Premier, there's more I'm forgetting).
He has come a long way and even though he hasn't catapulted to success on the solo tip, he's going to get recognition and gets to rap with one of the all time greats (Em) on the regular. I still feel like he is in his prime as well as he really hasn't lost a step - I'd go as far to say that he's even gotten better in some ways (song structure, lyrical content, easier to understand when rapping, more confidence with stage presence).
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Sorry but to hold Locksmith in the same category as Crooked I is ludicrous for anybody to even mention. Locksmith has some dope flows, but his catalog of work is about 1/75th of that of Crooked I. I probably don't even have a third of his tracks and I have over 400 Crooked I tracks on my computer. Any true hip-hop fan knows that there really isn't anyone that compare to Crooked I when it comes to pure spitting and wordplay.
He has 2 solo albums and 2 group albums. That's 3 more albums than Crooked I. I'd say the quality of work is higher too.
PS. Notice how I didn't count Lock's mixtapes and his freestyles as part of his accomplishments?
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crookedi
is the shit
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Lmao so what is crookz n doggz then? A track they just happen to both appear on even though their names are implied in the song title and they mention eachother in their verses?
your "I-am-right-and-you-are-wrong"-argument isnt even important, Jay.
im givin my opinion, so theres no need for u to go back n fourth wit me
like ur fighting the battle of ur life, child.
simple - i dont look at him as an "affiliate" to DPG.
just because ur from Long Beach, and u've happened to be on teh same song as Daz or Kurupt a handful of times, or
if u had a deal wit Daz on the table at one point that never turned out to be anythin - doesnt make u
an "affiliate".
i did forget about "crooks n doggz" wit Snoop& Crook, that King Tech hooked up for teh Wakeup-show. a collabo wit Snoop doesnt make him an affilate tho
example,, DPG-"affiliates" or former DPG-"affiliates": Tha Twinz, E-White, Fratthouse, Roscoe, Hustle Boyz, Eastsidaz, etc etc (list goes on n on).
Crooked I is not one of em
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Sorry but to hold Locksmith in the same category as Crooked I is ludicrous for anybody to even mention. Locksmith has some dope flows, but his catalog of work is about 1/75th of that of Crooked I. I probably don't even have a third of his tracks and I have over 400 Crooked I tracks on my computer. Any true hip-hop fan knows that there really isn't anyone that compare to Crooked I when it comes to pure spitting and wordplay.
He has 2 solo albums and 2 group albums. That's 3 more albums than Crooked I. I'd say the quality of work is higher too.
PS. Notice how I didn't count Lock's mixtapes and his freestyles as part of his accomplishments?
Those 2 solo albums guaranteed sold less than Crooked I's street albums, which at this point are 6 deep. Not to mention Crooked I is about to drop his second group album, which also quintuples the numbers Locksmith's group albums sold. Plus Crooked also had the Death Row album drop 2 years back.
Not that sales mean anything, but to just act like cause Crooked I wasn't dropping "official albums" that his body of work means less than Locksmith's is nuts. Crooked had platinum aspirations since the beginning and he never wanted to drop on a bullshit label and sell bullshit numbers, that's the only reason he's never dropped official LP's.
In the short, Crooked I will be a legendary type figure on the hip hop underground when it's all said and done, and Locksmith is really only appreciated in one region of the world. Not close to Crooked's level.
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I'd say so. Never in my wildest dreams did I imagine he could be a Shady artist.
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Okay let me help put this "affiliation" issue to rest lol.
It's very simple, Crooked was younger than the Dogg Pound cats in the mid 90's and Big C-Style discovered him, saw his talent and brought him around the DPG clique. From what I've been told, Snoop and Crook never clicked like that at first, they were cool though. Crooked was signed to Dogg Pound Records, and yeah in a way he's been a Dogg Pound affiliate but him and Snoop didn't have a close relationship.
So it really depends on how you define "affiliation".
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Sorry but to hold Locksmith in the same category as Crooked I is ludicrous for anybody to even mention. Locksmith has some dope flows, but his catalog of work is about 1/75th of that of Crooked I. I probably don't even have a third of his tracks and I have over 400 Crooked I tracks on my computer. Any true hip-hop fan knows that there really isn't anyone that compare to Crooked I when it comes to pure spitting and wordplay.
He has 2 solo albums and 2 group albums. That's 3 more albums than Crooked I. I'd say the quality of work is higher too.
PS. Notice how I didn't count Lock's mixtapes and his freestyles as part of his accomplishments?
Those 2 solo albums guaranteed sold less than Crooked I's street albums, which at this point are 6 deep. Not to mention Crooked I is about to drop his second group album, which also quintuples the numbers Locksmith's group albums sold. Plus Crooked also had the Death Row album drop 2 years back.
Not that sales mean anything, but to just act like cause Crooked I wasn't dropping "official albums" that his body of work means less than Locksmith's is nuts. Crooked had platinum aspirations since the beginning and he never wanted to drop on a bullshit label and sell bullshit numbers, that's the only reason he's never dropped official LP's.
In the short, Crooked I will be a legendary type figure on the hip hop underground when it's all said and done, and Locksmith is really only appreciated in one region of the world. Not close to Crooked's level.
you are arguing with one of Crooked's biggest haters and your time isn't worth it lol
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Sorry but to hold Locksmith in the same category as Crooked I is ludicrous for anybody to even mention. Locksmith has some dope flows, but his catalog of work is about 1/75th of that of Crooked I. I probably don't even have a third of his tracks and I have over 400 Crooked I tracks on my computer. Any true hip-hop fan knows that there really isn't anyone that compare to Crooked I when it comes to pure spitting and wordplay.
He has 2 solo albums and 2 group albums. That's 3 more albums than Crooked I. I'd say the quality of work is higher too.
PS. Notice how I didn't count Lock's mixtapes and his freestyles as part of his accomplishments?
Those 2 solo albums guaranteed sold less than Crooked I's street albums, which at this point are 6 deep. Not to mention Crooked I is about to drop his second group album, which also quintuples the numbers Locksmith's group albums sold. Plus Crooked also had the Death Row album drop 2 years back.
Not that sales mean anything, but to just act like cause Crooked I wasn't dropping "official albums" that his body of work means less than Locksmith's is nuts. Crooked had platinum aspirations since the beginning and he never wanted to drop on a bullshit label and sell bullshit numbers, that's the only reason he's never dropped official LP's.
In the short, Crooked I will be a legendary type figure on the hip hop underground when it's all said and done, and Locksmith is really only appreciated in one region of the world. Not close to Crooked's level.
The part I bolded makes your entire post void. Seriously what was the point of adding that one sentence to discredit your own post? And realistically, Crooked I will never be a legendary underground figure until he releases albums that have the underground talking.
You don't even have a third of the music Lock has released (if any) so how can you even speak on this topic? I'm a fan of both dudes and Lock has released the better projects to me.
you are arguing with one of Crooked's biggest haters and your time isn't worth it lol
Right because a hater listens to every project an artist puts out. Retard.
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He's been at it a while now and deserves the mainstream attention that he's getting, both as a solo artist and with Slaughterhouse.
He's joint with Snoop as the best rapper out of LB.
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Lmao so what is crookz n doggz then? A track they just happen to both appear on even though their names are implied in the song title and they mention eachother in their verses?
your "I-am-right-and-you-are-wrong"-argument isnt even important, Jay.
im givin my opinion, so theres no need for u to go back n fourth wit me
like ur fighting the battle of ur life, child.
simple - i dont look at him as an "affiliate" to DPG.
just because ur from Long Beach, and u've happened to be on teh same song as Daz or Kurupt a handful of times, or
if u had a deal wit Daz on the table at one point that never turned out to be anythin - doesnt make u
an "affiliate".
i did forget about "crooks n doggz" wit Snoop& Crook, that King Tech hooked up for teh Wakeup-show. a collabo wit Snoop doesnt make him an affilate tho
example,, DPG-"affiliates" or former DPG-"affiliates": Tha Twinz, E-White, Fratthouse, Roscoe, Hustle Boyz, Eastsidaz, etc etc (list goes on n on).
Crooked I is not one of em
i consider him a DPG affiliate, just look at all the songs he did with Daz and Kurupt in the 90s
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from collaborating wit local Long Beach-artists like Lil C-Style during the 19th Street era, to having his upcoming group-album executive produced by a mainstream artist like Eminem.
he deserves it imo, hes the most talented mc that ever came out of Long Beach
That LBC shit is still the dopest shit he ever did... It was an honor for him to be affiliated with the legendary LBC Crew in the mid 90's. LBC Crew mid 90's >>>>>> Slaughterhouse. (And I'm a Slaughterhouse fan).
Also, by the way. Snoop is the most talented out the LBC. Then Daz, then Nate, then Warren, then Tray Dee, then the Twinz.. then maybe Crooked
Crooked is the msot talented mc/lyricist from Long Beach.
the only LBC-artsit that ever came remotely close to Crooked I, as an mc, was probably Techniec.
snoop, lil c style, & tray deee over crooked i any day.
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from collaborating wit local Long Beach-artists like Lil C-Style during the 19th Street era, to having his upcoming group-album executive produced by a mainstream artist like Eminem.
he deserves it imo, hes the most talented mc that ever came out of Long Beach
That LBC shit is still the dopest shit he ever did... It was an honor for him to be affiliated with the legendary LBC Crew in the mid 90's. LBC Crew mid 90's >>>>>> Slaughterhouse. (And I'm a Slaughterhouse fan).
Also, by the way. Snoop is the most talented out the LBC. Then Daz, then Nate, then Warren, then Tray Dee, then the Twinz.. then maybe Crooked
Crooked is the msot talented mc/lyricist from Long Beach.
the only LBC-artsit that ever came remotely close to Crooked I, as an mc, was probably Techniec.
snoop, lil c style, & tray deee over crooked i any day.
RBX, Lil C Style, Tray Deee, Soopafly, and Techniec fo sheezy.
EDIT: Even E-White is as good as Crook IMO
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from collaborating wit local Long Beach-artists like Lil C-Style during the 19th Street era, to having his upcoming group-album executive produced by a mainstream artist like Eminem.
he deserves it imo, hes the most talented mc that ever came out of Long Beach
That LBC shit is still the dopest shit he ever did... It was an honor for him to be affiliated with the legendary LBC Crew in the mid 90's. LBC Crew mid 90's >>>>>> Slaughterhouse. (And I'm a Slaughterhouse fan).
Also, by the way. Snoop is the most talented out the LBC. Then Daz, then Nate, then Warren, then Tray Dee, then the Twinz.. then maybe Crooked
Crooked is the msot talented mc/lyricist from Long Beach.
the only LBC-artsit that ever came remotely close to Crooked I, as an mc, was probably Techniec.
snoop, lil c style, & tray deee over crooked i any day.
RBX, Lil C Style, Tray Deee, Soopafly, and Techniec fo sheezy.
EDIT: Even E-White is as good as Crook IMO
true indeed.
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from collaborating wit local Long Beach-artists like Lil C-Style during the 19th Street era, to having his upcoming group-album executive produced by a mainstream artist like Eminem.
he deserves it imo, hes the most talented mc that ever came out of Long Beach
That LBC shit is still the dopest shit he ever did... It was an honor for him to be affiliated with the legendary LBC Crew in the mid 90's. LBC Crew mid 90's >>>>>> Slaughterhouse. (And I'm a Slaughterhouse fan).
Also, by the way. Snoop is the most talented out the LBC. Then Daz, then Nate, then Warren, then Tray Dee, then the Twinz.. then maybe Crooked
Crooked is the msot talented mc/lyricist from Long Beach.
the only LBC-artsit that ever came remotely close to Crooked I, as an mc, was probably Techniec.
snoop, lil c style, & tray deee over crooked i any day.
RBX, Lil C Style, Tray Deee, Soopafly, and Techniec fo sheezy.
EDIT: Even E-White is as good as Crook IMO
No, just no.
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from collaborating wit local Long Beach-artists like Lil C-Style during the 19th Street era, to having his upcoming group-album executive produced by a mainstream artist like Eminem.
he deserves it imo, hes the most talented mc that ever came out of Long Beach
That LBC shit is still the dopest shit he ever did... It was an honor for him to be affiliated with the legendary LBC Crew in the mid 90's. LBC Crew mid 90's >>>>>> Slaughterhouse. (And I'm a Slaughterhouse fan).
Also, by the way. Snoop is the most talented out the LBC. Then Daz, then Nate, then Warren, then Tray Dee, then the Twinz.. then maybe Crooked
Crooked is the msot talented mc/lyricist from Long Beach.
the only LBC-artsit that ever came remotely close to Crooked I, as an mc, was probably Techniec.
snoop, lil c style, & tray deee over crooked i any day.
RBX, Lil C Style, Tray Deee, Soopafly, and Techniec fo sheezy.
EDIT: Even E-White is as good as Crook IMO
No, just no.
out ya mind :o
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None of those rappers hold a candle to crooked I.
Like lil c style are you fucking serious?! Guys one of the worst rappers I've ever heard in my life. Compare his verse on say fuck dre to any crooked I verse, it's laughable.
Just imaging lil c style, rbx, e white, soopafly etc trying to keep up with the rest of slaughterhouse is making me lol. They would stick out like a sore thumb with how shitty their verses would be. Meanwhile crook is arguably the stand out on a good 60% percent of SH songs.
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lil c style and e-white is pretty extreme, but i would understand if some1 preferred rbx, tray deee, or soopafly over crooked i.
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lil c style and e-white is pretty extreme, but i would understand if some1 preferred rbx, tray deee, or soopafly over crooked i.
If someone prefers an artist over another that's whatever it's just your personal taste.it's like someone liking waka flocka flame but not liking biggie, but saying waka is a better emcee. And that example is valid as that's how far apart someone like crook is to fucking lil c style.
But to out right say RBX or soopafly are better emcees/lyricists then crooked I is just so wrong.
If you don't like a rapper who cares but don't make dumb, outlandish remarks that make you like a complete idiot.
I don't like redman, because he's just my not taste for whatever reason. But I respect what he's done and I'm not going to say young jeezy is a better emcee then he is because that's just dumb.
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lil c style and e-white is pretty extreme, but i would understand if some1 preferred rbx, tray deee, or soopafly over crooked i.
If someone prefers an artist over another that's whatever it's just your personal taste.it's like someone liking waka flocka flame but not liking biggie, but saying waka is a better emcee. And that example is valid as that's how far apart someone like crook is to fucking lil c style.
But to out right say RBX or soopafly are better emcees/lyricists then crooked I is just so wrong.
rbx and soopafly are actually really good emcees....but i get ya point, crooked i is a beast on the mic. rbx has a completely different style and definitely aint no slouch when it comes 2 emceeing, though. soopafly has been getting pretty good, as well. they're both up there in terms of west coast emcees.
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lil c style and e-white is pretty extreme, but i would understand if some1 preferred rbx, tray deee, or soopafly over crooked i.
If someone prefers an artist over another that's whatever it's just your personal taste.it's like someone liking waka flocka flame but not liking biggie, but saying waka is a better emcee. And that example is valid as that's how far apart someone like crook is to fucking lil c style.
But to out right say RBX or soopafly are better emcees/lyricists then crooked I is just so wrong.
rbx and soopafly are actually really good emcees....but i get ya point, crooked i is a beast on the mic. rbx has a completely different style and definitely aint no slouch when it comes 2 emceeing, though. soopafly has been getting pretty good, as well. they're both up there in terms of west coast emcees.
soopafly is a pretty boring lyricist
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lil c style and e-white is pretty extreme, but i would understand if some1 preferred rbx, tray deee, or soopafly over crooked i.
If someone prefers an artist over another that's whatever it's just your personal taste.it's like someone liking waka flocka flame but not liking biggie, but saying waka is a better emcee. And that example is valid as that's how far apart someone like crook is to fucking lil c style.
But to out right say RBX or soopafly are better emcees/lyricists then crooked I is just so wrong.
rbx and soopafly are actually really good emcees....but i get ya point, crooked i is a beast on the mic. rbx has a completely different style and definitely aint no slouch when it comes 2 emceeing, though. soopafly has been getting pretty good, as well. they're both up there in terms of west coast emcees.
soopafly is a pretty boring lyricist
i like some of his shit lyrically. bangin west coast had some dope emceeing on it.
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im not tryin to diss my man beacuse i even owe da woopty woop on CD
hes just an ok lyricist to me tho
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dont think Locksmith has accomplished more than Crooked I in the industry
Crook is a favorable guest-apperacen rapper, n appears everyhwere these days (underground n mainstream),
has around 3 or 4 unreleased albums, not to mention dosens of mixatpes and ep's in his backpack. and one upcoming group album under the Shady Records moniker
from collaborating wit local Long Beach-artists like Lil C-Style during the 19th Street era, to having his upcoming group-album executive produced by a mainstream artist like Eminem.
he deserves it imo, hes the most talented mc that ever came out of Long Beach
That LBC shit is still the dopest shit he ever did... It was an honor for him to be affiliated with the legendary LBC Crew in the mid 90's. LBC Crew mid 90's >>>>>> Slaughterhouse. (And I'm a Slaughterhouse fan).
Also, by the way. Snoop is the most talented out the LBC. Then Daz, then Nate, then Warren, then Tray Dee, then the Twinz.. then maybe Crooked
Crooked is the msot talented mc/lyricist from Long Beach.
the only LBC-artsit that ever came remotely close to Crooked I, as an mc, was probably Techniec.
snoop, lil c style, & tray deee over crooked i any day.
Even E-White is as good as Crook
lol
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from collaborating wit local Long Beach-artists like Lil C-Style during the 19th Street era, to having his upcoming group-album executive produced by a mainstream artist like Eminem.
he deserves it imo, hes the most talented mc that ever came out of Long Beach
That LBC shit is still the dopest shit he ever did... It was an honor for him to be affiliated with the legendary LBC Crew in the mid 90's. LBC Crew mid 90's >>>>>> Slaughterhouse. (And I'm a Slaughterhouse fan).
Also, by the way. Snoop is the most talented out the LBC. Then Daz, then Nate, then Warren, then Tray Dee, then the Twinz.. then maybe Crooked
Crooked is the msot talented mc/lyricist from Long Beach.
the only LBC-artsit that ever came remotely close to Crooked I, as an mc, was probably Techniec.
Techniec is better IMO.
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Snoop didnt collaborate wit Crooked I until a few yrs ago actually. "Guess Whos' back"
but they were featured on the same track a few times prior to that. Crook was just added to "Feels so Good", teh og didnt ahve him on it -- most of those appearances (just like "stay outta la" and "poor man cry"), were most likely hooked up by mutual friends like BIg C-Style or Daz. i really doubt Crook was ever in Snoop's or DPG's circle like that, he was just one of C-Styles artists, & a guy from around the way in Long Beach.
Big C-Style created the Dogg Pound with Snoop. I wouldn't call Crooked I a DPG, but he definitely was affiliated with them.
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example,, DPG-"affiliates" or former DPG-"affiliates": Tha Twinz, E-White, Fratthouse, Roscoe, Hustle Boyz, Eastsidaz, etc etc (list goes on n on).
Crooked I is not one of em
Tha Twinz, Tray Deee, Roscoe and Goldie Loc are all DPG. Hustle Boyz are considered DPG too these days. E-White ain't really fuckin with DPG anymore like that.
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best lyricist in Cali by far
I think Locksmith is Crooked I's equal when it comes to spit str8 fire on tha mic - dude is fenomenal and a battle between Crook and Lock would be EPIC 8)
Lock would kill Crooked I in a battle as he's actually a battle rapper. Crooked I would pull a Canibus.
True. And that has nothing to do with Crooked's lyrical abilities but I saw him more than once nearly fuck up his 'Creased Khaki Flow' verses in front of a bigger audience while with Locksmith's battle performance you get the impression of him being in a stage play, that's how good he is.
They are equal in the booth, I guess, but as a rapper I like Crooked more, though. Still I'd co-sign Rapsodies statement.
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its a rather pointless arguement to be honest, cuz it all comes down to opinion i guess and how you define
"affiliation", just like Nima said.
example,, DPG-"affiliates" or former DPG-"affiliates": Tha Twinz, E-White, Fratthouse, Roscoe, Hustle Boyz, Eastsidaz, etc etc (list goes on n on).
Crooked I is not one of em
Tha Twinz, Tray Deee, Roscoe and Goldie Loc are all DPG. Hustle Boyz are considered DPG too these days. E-White ain't really fuckin with DPG anymore like that.
DPGC (Dogg Pound Gangsta Crips): Dogg pound (daz & kurupt), 213 (snoop, nate, Warren), soopafly, lil half dead, rbx, lady of rage, Bad azz, lil c-style, tray deee, big c-style/// line-up wit Bad Azz & Tray Dee as the last "official members"
^all of the otehr artists that were spawned from either of these guys and/or came up under the tutelage of either of em, n have worked wit most of them numerous times(i.e. usual suspects on DPG-releases), are "affiliates" to me. like for example, Roscoe (which is Kurupts brother), came up under the wings of Kurupt, n he continuosly works wit most of the original members of DPGC, so he is affilated imo.
Tha Twinz (memebrs of Perfection aka Foesum) grew up wit n came up wit Snoop at the same time, was singned to Warren G, had an album ready to come out on Daz recordlabel, n has worked and continoulsy works wit most of the orignal line-up (specially on mixtapes), so he is affiliated imo. Crook did come up under C-Style n he has collaborated wit dpg-artists, but i still won't call him an affiliate tho,, a great example would be to compare The Dove Shack wit Crooked I. all of them are from LBC, Dove Shack was singed to Warren for a short moment,
and Crooked supposedly had a 1-deal album wit Daz at teh table at one point (which never turned out to be anythin) - still dont make any of em affilaited to DPG as a whole
see what im gettin at?
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Crooked I USED to be DPG affiliated but I don't think he is anymore. You could even say he has out grown them.
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Crooked I in 1996: Affiliated with one of the top acts in hip-hop with no proper solo LP
Crooked I in 2012: Affiliated with one of the top acts in hip-hop with no proper solo LP
I'm a fan of the guy, but please educate me how releasing EP's and mixtapes for 16 years is "coming a long way"?
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lil c style and e-white is pretty extreme, but i would understand if some1 preferred rbx, tray deee, or soopafly over crooked i.
If someone prefers an artist over another that's whatever it's just your personal taste.it's like someone liking waka flocka flame but not liking biggie, but saying waka is a better emcee. And that example is valid as that's how far apart someone like crook is to fucking lil c style.
But to out right say RBX or soopafly are better emcees/lyricists then crooked I is just so wrong.
If you don't like a rapper who cares but don't make dumb, outlandish remarks that make you like a complete idiot.
I don't like redman, because he's just my not taste for whatever reason. But I respect what he's done and I'm not going to say young jeezy is a better emcee then he is because that's just dumb.
thank you
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Crooked I in 1996: Affiliated with one of the top acts in hip-hop with no proper solo LP
Crooked I in 2012: Affiliated with one of the top acts in hip-hop with no proper solo LP
I'm a fan of the guy, but please educate me how releasing EP's and mixtapes for 16 years is "coming a long way"?
Because he had zero control over wether his album came out. And tha row was nowhere near a top act in hip hop. It was a barely afloat label with poor distribution that was being black balled.
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Crooked I in 1996: Affiliated with one of the top acts in hip-hop with no proper solo LP
Crooked I in 2012: Affiliated with one of the top acts in hip-hop with no proper solo LP
I'm a fan of the guy, but please educate me how releasing EP's and mixtapes for 16 years is "coming a long way"?
Because he had zero control over wether his album came out. And tha row was nowhere near a top act in hip hop. It was a barely afloat label with poor distribution that was being black balled.
If he has all this control after Death Row, why no proper solo LP?
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More bad deals?Maybe he's scared?Maybe he doesn't feel he's completed an album worthy of being called a debut? Who knows. Only he knows the actual reason.
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More bad deals?Maybe he's scared?Maybe he doesn't feel he's completed an album worthy of being called a debut? Who knows. Only he knows the actual reason.
LMFAO
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2 of his mixtapes were all original music so he could be 2 albums deep right now if he wanted to
plus Hood Star would be a 3rd album lol