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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: Cali_Heat on July 17, 2012, 01:41:54 PM
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50 Cent Official Single from Street King Immortal 'New Day' 50 Cent ft. Dr.Dre,Alicia Keys coming on ITunes 07.24.2012
Rick Ross Single '3Kings' Rick Ross ft.Dr.Dre,Jay Z coming soon
Look out!
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LOL @ neither of these tracks being produced by dr. dre.
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LOL @ neither of these tracks being produced by dr. dre.
Iz it tho?
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Nowadays we don't get any beats by Dre, we just get Beats By Dre.
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LOL @ neither of these tracks being produced by dr. dre.
Iz it tho?
50's is done by swizz and ross joint was done by lex luger i think but it was not done by dre.
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remember when there were only like 4-5 songs which dre rapped on that weren't produced by him?
in this new era, it's the complete opposite....but not because dre stopped producing, but because the definition of producer as we once knew it has changed.
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remember when there were only like 4-5 songs which dre rapped on that weren't produced by him?
in this new era, it's the complete opposite....but not because dre stopped producing, but because the definition of producer as we once knew it has changed.
LOL @ those artists payin' dre to rap and not produce.
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i think he produce those tracks as he always produced them, he just gives credit to beat makers
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remember when there were only like 4-5 songs which dre rapped on that weren't produced by him?
in this new era, it's the complete opposite....but not because dre stopped producing, but because the definition of producer as we once knew it has changed.
Seen!
You can't tell me his hands weren't on that Kendrick Lamar joint "The Recipe". Yet dude is much more generous these days in giving up credit. Unlike the Chronic days where he just said fuck it and put all tracks produced by Dr. Dre on the back with no further explaination
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3 kings is produced by Jake One
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guess Fif called Dre, when he heard that he was on Ross' album. "i need one too"
LOL @ neither of these tracks being produced by dr. dre.
Iz it tho?
why do you spell "Is" like "Iz", ginger-brit?
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3 kings is produced by Jake One
:o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
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Nowadays we don't get any beats by Dre, we just get Beats By Dre.
Nice one. Sig-worthy quote right there lol.
remember when there were only like 4-5 songs which dre rapped on that weren't produced by him?
in this new era, it's the complete opposite....but not because dre stopped producing, but because the definition of producer as we once knew it has changed.
More like these younger cats learned from that last generation and got their business right.
I remember reading a rumor back in like 04 that Detox was completed in 2002 but it couldn't be released because all of Dre's ghost-producers stood up to him and demanded proper credit and had their lawyers and legal teams ready to go; so Dre had to scratch all their material and start over. Now that may have been just a rumor, but the fact that its 2012 and the album still isn't here and Dre is suddenly rapping over beats by other producers says a lot.
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Nowadays we don't get any beats by Dre, we just get Beats By Dre.
Nice one. Sig-worthy quote right there lol.
remember when there were only like 4-5 songs which dre rapped on that weren't produced by him?
in this new era, it's the complete opposite....but not because dre stopped producing, but because the definition of producer as we once knew it has changed.
More like these younger cats learned from that last generation and got their business right.
I remember reading a rumor back in like 04 that Detox was completed in 2002 but it couldn't be released because all of Dre's ghost-producers stood up to him and demanded proper credit and had their lawyers and legal teams ready to go; so Dre had to scratch all their material and start over. Now that may have been just a rumor, but the fact that its 2012 and the album still isn't here and Dre is suddenly rapping over beats by other producers says a lot.
Remember what khalil said ? "kush" was a completely different beat before Dre got his hands on it. I believe him.
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50 Cent feat. Dr. Dre & Alicia Keys - New Day
source: https://twitter.com/50cent/status/225338595374931968 (https://twitter.com/50cent/status/225338595374931968)
This is the first track off 50′s upcoming album, Street King Immortal due out in November. This is set to hit iTunes July 24th !
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Alicia keys has a new track out called new day.. Maybe its the same one
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These will be both recycle bin material... Nobody wants to hear rambling from a 50 year old man . Just disappear Dre .
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I kinda agree, dre is old and boring...
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Gimme tha beats tho..But stay off the mic unless it's over your beats .
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These will be both recycle bin material... Nobody wants to hear rambling from a 50 year old man . Just disappear Dre .
real spit
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Nowadays we don't get any beats by Dre, we just get Beats By Dre.
Nice one. Sig-worthy quote right there lol.
remember when there were only like 4-5 songs which dre rapped on that weren't produced by him?
in this new era, it's the complete opposite....but not because dre stopped producing, but because the definition of producer as we once knew it has changed.
More like these younger cats learned from that last generation and got their business right.
I remember reading a rumor back in like 04 that Detox was completed in 2002 but it couldn't be released because all of Dre's ghost-producers stood up to him and demanded proper credit and had their lawyers and legal teams ready to go; so Dre had to scratch all their material and start over. Now that may have been just a rumor, but the fact that its 2012 and the album still isn't here and Dre is suddenly rapping over beats by other producers says a lot.
Remember what khalil said ? "kush" was a completely different beat before Dre got his hands on it. I believe him.
Yup I'd trust Khalil over some random internet heads
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Even when that Rick Ross track comes out I dont believe it's gonna do something big.
But I'm waiting for Xzibit to drop "Napalm" there's a track with Tha Liks and King-T called Louis XIII produced by Dr.Dre. That's what I'm waiting for.
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Gimme tha beats tho..But stay off the mic unless it's over your beats .
riiiiiiiiiiight.
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Nowadays we don't get any beats by Dre, we just get Beats By Dre.
Nice one. Sig-worthy quote right there lol.
remember when there were only like 4-5 songs which dre rapped on that weren't produced by him?
in this new era, it's the complete opposite....but not because dre stopped producing, but because the definition of producer as we once knew it has changed.
More like these younger cats learned from that last generation and got their business right.
I remember reading a rumor back in like 04 that Detox was completed in 2002 but it couldn't be released because all of Dre's ghost-producers stood up to him and demanded proper credit and had their lawyers and legal teams ready to go; so Dre had to scratch all their material and start over. Now that may have been just a rumor, but the fact that its 2012 and the album still isn't here and Dre is suddenly rapping over beats by other producers says a lot.
that says a lot about dre. if he wants to he could release a billion versions of detox.
im sure dawaun parker, mark batson and his other partners are still with him.
Even when that Rick Ross track comes out I dont believe it's gonna do something big.
But I'm waiting for Xzibit to drop "Napalm" there's a track with Tha Liks and King-T called Louis XIII produced by Dr.Dre. That's what I'm waiting for.
8)
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Well, we already heard snippet of that 3 Kingz track, and tbh only thing I like there is, no weird Dre voice, like on Recipe. Reason I told Im not hyped about that track is, I dont like Rick Ross in any way, and the track isnt produced by Dre, and from what Ive heard it seems like Dre's verse is written by Rick wich sucks, so what new I can hear? Dre saying he's best out there, 20 years in the game bla bla bla, my sisters child (5yo) knows that, so Dre quit with it. At least that Louis XIII track is biggest (for me) thing thats gonna be heard from Dre's production in a 'long time' so Im currently waiting for that, but still Im gonna give a listen to that 3 kingz track...
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I remember reading a rumor back in like 04 that Detox was completed in 2002 but it couldn't be released because all of Dre's ghost-producers stood up to him and demanded proper credit and had their lawyers and legal teams ready to go; so Dre had to scratch all their material and start over. Now that may have been just a rumor, but the fact that its 2012 and the album still isn't here and Dre is suddenly rapping over beats by other producers says a lot.
I would believe a man who told me he saw Santa Claus fucking the Tooth Fairy on his lawn over that rumor and so would anyone with any sense of logic. The greatest thing that could ever have happened to any producer's career would be for Dre to fuck with their beat. You're gonna believe that all these people battling to get on Dre's good side went behind his back and joined up to blackmail him for credit? In order for them to get in the studio with Dre in the first place, he's having his legal team make sure he can't be fucked so it's silly to even think it went down like this.
As for why Dre ain't putting his name on production credits no more. I truthfully think he's feeling the pressure to have a hot record constantly associated with his name. If him and say, Khalil both produce a record and he says "Yo! Man, I'm gonna let you have the credit on this" then it works well. The song goes out and people aren't critiquing it like a Dr. Dre record where they compare it against everything else he's put out for the last 20 years. If the track goes lukewarm, the critics can't smash on him for falling off if his name ain't on the credit. He gets to keep working on music but creates the aura that he hasn't produced anything that's been released in awhile so when a track comes out with his name on it, it feels like a return. Think about it. All these songs get leaked from outside parties and then the credit don't have "Dr. Dre" on it. Let's be fucking real with this. You think if Dr. Dre worked on the production for "Kush", he couldn't get producer credit if he wanted it?
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I remember reading a rumor back in like 04 that Detox was completed in 2002 but it couldn't be released because all of Dre's ghost-producers stood up to him and demanded proper credit and had their lawyers and legal teams ready to go; so Dre had to scratch all their material and start over. Now that may have been just a rumor, but the fact that its 2012 and the album still isn't here and Dre is suddenly rapping over beats by other producers says a lot.
I would believe a man who told me he saw Santa Claus fucking the Tooth Fairy on his lawn over that rumor and so would anyone with any sense of logic. The greatest thing that could ever have happened to any producer's career would be for Dre to fuck with their beat. You're gonna believe that all these people battling to get on Dre's good side went behind his back and joined up to blackmail him for credit? In order for them to get in the studio with Dre in the first place, he's having his legal team make sure he can't be fucked so it's silly to even think it went down like this.
As for why Dre ain't putting his name on production credits no more. I truthfully think he's feeling the pressure to have a hot record constantly associated with his name. If him and say, Khalil both produce a record and he says "Yo! Man, I'm gonna let you have the credit on this" then it works well. The song goes out and people aren't critiquing it like a Dr. Dre record where they compare it against everything else he's put out for the last 20 years. If the track goes lukewarm, the critics can't smash on him for falling off if his name ain't on the credit. He gets to keep working on music but creates the aura that he hasn't produced anything that's been released in awhile so when a track comes out with his name on it, it feels like a return. Think about it. All these songs get leaked from outside parties and then the credit don't have "Dr. Dre" on it. Let's be fucking real with this. You think if Dr. Dre worked on the production for "Kush", he couldn't get producer credit if he wanted it?
I'm not trying to force you or anybody else to believe it just because I said there MIGHT be some truth to it. But what you're saying is not making sense at all.
1. I I'm not saying they "went behind his back" and tried to blackmail him. I'm saying what PROBABLY happened is the guys who made the beats that Dre "mixed" suddenly said Produced by Dr. Dre and they probably said 'look man you need to change that to Produced by Dr. Dre AND [insert name here]" and when Dre refused they probably kindly reminded him that their shit was copyrighted unlike Daz's and Sam Sneed's and Lawlay's and everyone else. So what was he going to do other than tell them 'fuck it, keep your shit'?
2. Your Khalil/Dre situation is more than likely true. But its fucked up for Dre. Every time Khalil makes a great joint (ie: Ricky / Talkin 2 Myself) he gets praised for being so amazing and even as better than Dre. But when the beat sucks or is average (ie: Kush / Drug test) then Dre still gets the blame. Lose lose for Dre in that relationship.
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^^^^ Dre's been sharing production credits since 99, he went so far as to say the whole of 2001 was co-produced by Mel Man, though it's clear who had the bigger hand considering Mel Man didn't do shit afterwards. Since then he's been sharing credits with Mike Elizondo, Scott Storch, Mark Batson etc etc. Like Jimmy said that story sounds like some complete bullshit.
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1. I I'm not saying they "went behind his back" and tried to blackmail him. I'm saying what PROBABLY happened is the guys who made the beats that Dre "mixed" suddenly said Produced by Dr. Dre and they probably said 'look man you need to change that to Produced by Dr. Dre AND [insert name here]" and when Dre refused they probably kindly reminded him that their shit was copyrighted unlike Daz's and Sam Sneed's and Lawlay's and everyone else. So what was he going to do other than tell them 'fuck it, keep your shit'?
Dr. Dre's business is going to be protected. You think Dre is going to spend all this time developing and producing some song based off an up-and-coming producer's beat and not actually LEGALLY OWN the fucking beat? Now, you are saying you think PROBABLY happened with the whole team of guys? Sorry but it wouldn't. These guys aren't producers with names of their owns that can go shop these beats to whoever and get the same money for it. If you're selling your beats to producers at that high a level, you know you're the beat-maker, you whining about credit on some beat that Dr. Dre just spent his time fine-tuning is going to dead your career before it even starts. Again, from the tone of your commentary, I'm vibing that you're one of these folks who thinks Dr. Dre is just a mixer so you're likely to believe whatever craziness you hear around the campfire but trust me, that scenerio would never fucking happen. If after all that time spent on Ruthless and Death Row didn't wise Dre up enough to where he let some "ghost producer" fuck him out of Detox then I'd question how he ever got where he did.
2. Your Khalil/Dre situation is more than likely true. But its fucked up for Dre. Every time Khalil makes a great joint (ie: Ricky / Talkin 2 Myself) he gets praised for being so amazing and even as better than Dre. But when the beat sucks or is average (ie: Kush / Drug test) then Dre still gets the blame. Lose lose for Dre in that relationship.
I don't think he gets praised as being "better than Dre" by anyone with any real understanding of music production. Yes, folks on a fucking website think Khalil is "better" because they like his current beats more than the ones Dre is putting out at the moment. The same people who are stuck on that "Dre don't produce" deal are going to throw that blame out anyway. If he makes the hottest shit in the world, they'll just say he stole it. If he hands off the credit to someone else who helped work on it with him, he can't PRODUCE anymore. It was "lose lose" anyway.