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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: DaDaMan on October 10, 2012, 05:45:32 AM
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I got a question about these two, I know they are stepbrothers and probobly grew up together but why doesnt dre like him.
When warren brought snoop and nate to death row, they told warren to go on his own and didnt sign him on death row,
Never seen any collabo with dre and warren.
Why does dre pusg warren away, why doesnt he like him, whats the situation between them
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How do you know that Dre doesn't "like him"? Dre told him to be his own man and sign with Def Jam and i'm glad Warren did that. He released classics after classics and his album wasn't goin' to come out on Death Row anyway. Dre has produced two songs for Warren and as we all know now, Warren G made some of the beats on "The Chronic". Snoop Dogg confirmed that.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJMTSS1K--4
here listen to this one, there is something between them two,
yes he told him to go on his own and why didnt he do it to snoop and nate then? why did he break 213 and signed 2 of them but not the third one (warren) why did they all got death row jackets but not warren!
Warren is a nice and humble guy, i know he loves and respects dre and i think dre respects him too but there is something there that makes dre push him away from him.
about the songs on chronic, warren didnt pruduce them for dre he produced them for 213 and since chronic was coming out so they took it from him and put it on chronic, thats how death row was working, like they took dre's california love and put it on 2pacs album cuz it was the next one to come out, there is an great interview about it too
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Suge Knight had some issues with Warren G. Didn't know Warren produced those songs for 213, you got a link for that interview?
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yeah but when dre left deathrow he could have made somthing with him on chronic 2001 or a collabo with him since then, i dont even remember warren being on anything in 2001.
yeah suge didnt like him after that dispute on the party boat where warrens friend got thrown off the boat.
its been 20 years now and still nothing with 2 spetbrothers who grew up together, you must admit there is something in there thats not right
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yeah but when dre left deathrow he could have made somthing with him on chronic 2001 or a collabo with him since then, i dont even remember warren being on anything in 2001.
yeah suge didnt like him after that dispute on the party boat where warrens friend got thrown off the boat.
its been 20 years now and still nothing with 2 spetbrothers who grew up together, you must admit there is something in there thats not right
They did "game don't wait remix" and "lookin at you"
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There is something there. I don't know what it is either. Threadstarter posted a good question...
Dre has supported Warren G at times. He had a cameo in the "Do You See" video, which was important because it showed that even though Warren went over to Def Jam that Dre still supported him. Also Dre had a lot of kind words for Warren in the Show documentary. He said he taught Warren a thing or two and let him use his equipment, and if he would of known Warren G would sell 1.2 million on his first album he would've been working with him a lot more.
So I think Dre likes Warren G he just always underestimated him
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I have nothing but love for Warren, but I think dude is too nice. He's chill, laid back and a go with the flow type of person. If you read or listen to a Warren G interview, he's often asked why he doesn't work with this artist or that artist or why doesn't he have any beats on so & so's album. His reply is always, "you gotta ask him." Why haven't Dre and Warren exchanged verses on a track? You gotta ask Dre that. Why you don't have any beats on Snoop's album? You gotta ask Snoop. Why didn't you have any beats on the 213 album when you're the DJ/Producer? You gotta ask Snoop.
I could be wrong, but it seems like Warren isn't being proactive enough with his craft. I don't think that Dre has a problem with him, he probably just doesn't think Warren is as serious about it atm. Dre likes working with artists that inspire him or that are hungry. If they don't have that and aren't going to make him money, then he's not that interested. Is Warren G just waiting on these guys to give him the call or is he trying to reach out and initiate it? Because of how he came up and had to put himself out there, he probably is just used to it and doesn't fight it. If people aren't reaching out to collaborate with him, he's just going to continue to do his own thing.
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I got a question about these two, I know they are stepbrothers and probobly grew up together but why doesnt dre like him.
When warren brought snoop and nate to death row, they told warren to go on his own and didnt sign him on death row,
Never seen any collabo with dre and warren.
Why does dre pusg warren away, why doesnt he like him, whats the situation between them
I remember reading something about Dre saying if Warren signed to Death Row it'd be a long time (if ever) before his album came out because they were doing Dre, then Snoop, then Rage, and i think maybe Jewell or something at the time. And Warren didn't want to wait years for his album to come out, so Dre told him he'd be better off to sign with Def Jam.
That, plus the incident on the boat where him and his friend were acting up and Suge got pissed, so he's been on Suge's bad side ever since. But i think the main reason was that Dre was honest with him about how Death Row's current plans wouldn't have allowed a Warren G album to be released for years. Since many people, like Nate Dogg, OFTB, Jewell, etc. never did end up getting a proper Death Row records release, i think Warren was better off this way by going to Def Jam anyways.
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yeah but when dre left deathrow he could have made somthing with him on chronic 2001 or a collabo with him since then, i dont even remember warren being on anything in 2001.
yeah suge didnt like him after that dispute on the party boat where warrens friend got thrown off the boat.
its been 20 years now and still nothing with 2 spetbrothers who grew up together, you must admit there is something in there thats not right
They did "game don't wait remix" and "lookin at you"
yeah and Lookin At You had already been sent and used by Sticky Fingaz..
We could have had some amazing joints from the 2 but who cares at this point.
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I saw an old interview with Dre, and the interviewer said Warren G blew up/sold millions worldwide and Dre said something like "I didn't predict him being that successful, maybe I shoulda signed him lol"
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the fact of the matter is, they are two of the same mold. theyre both producers who like to take total control and command the music they touch. so for both of them to work together would be tough, because they would cancel each other out. producers dont usually collaborate the same way rappers do. i mean, it can be done, but they're too similar in fashion to consistently work together. it doesnt seem like there's any hard feelings between the two, but more so a difference of direction.
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Warren was hanging out with Dre a lot in the last of the NWA days. No one knows what changed that; but Lets not act like Dre is the only one who stopped fuckin with G-Dubb, the entire DPG pretty much forgot about him. Even Nate didnt put him on his biggest solo album.
They produced magic together on "Through the Rain"...i just dont understand how it went to Phats Bossi and ended up on a low-budget soundtrack.
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Warren was hanging out with Dre a lot in the last of the NWA days. No one knows what changed that; but Lets not act like Dre is the only one who stopped fuckin with G-Dubb, the entire DPG pretty much forgot about him. Even Nate didnt put him on his biggest solo album.
They produced magic together on "Through the Rain"...i just dont understand how it went to Phats Bossi and ended up on a low-budget soundtrack.
Warren was working with Dre and the camp between I Want It All and Retutn of the Regulator. I always assumed it was a trowaway from that time. Maybe Warren even submitted shit for 2001 which got rejected.
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stop making up drama.
music business is not a charity. just because you know each other doesn't mean you need to make music together, work together etc. sometimes it just doesn't work out... end of story
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Warren was working with Dre and the camp between I Want It All and Retutn of the Regulator. I always assumed it was a trowaway from that time. Maybe Warren even submitted shit for 2001 which got rejected.
According to Bad Azz, "The Watcher" is a Warren G beat.
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Warren was working with Dre and the camp between I Want It All and Retutn of the Regulator. I always assumed it was a trowaway from that time. Maybe Warren even submitted shit for 2001 which got rejected.
According to Bad Azz, "The Watcher" is a Warren G beat.
I've wondered that myself actually
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Warren was hanging out with Dre a lot in the last of the NWA days. No one knows what changed that; but Lets not act like Dre is the only one who stopped fuckin with G-Dubb, the entire DPG pretty much forgot about him. Even Nate didnt put him on his biggest solo album.
They produced magic together on "Through the Rain"...i just dont understand how it went to Phats Bossi and ended up on a low-budget soundtrack.
Warren was working with Dre and the camp between I Want It All and Retutn of the Regulator. I always assumed it was a trowaway from that time. Maybe Warren even submitted shit for 2001 which got rejected.
warren definitely did some stuff for the 2001 sessions, hence his picture in the booklet of the album (with bad azz, doc, nate, snoop, kurupt and countless other cats) and when asked about why it never appeared on the album he said "ask dre" lol, just like with let's play house.
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Warren was working with Dre and the camp between I Want It All and Retutn of the Regulator. I always assumed it was a trowaway from that time. Maybe Warren even submitted shit for 2001 which got rejected.
According to Bad Azz, "The Watcher" is a Warren G beat.
usually, i'd believe it.. but that really sounds nothin like a warren beat.
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Warren was working with Dre and the camp between I Want It All and Retutn of the Regulator. I always assumed it was a trowaway from that time. Maybe Warren even submitted shit for 2001 which got rejected.
According to Bad Azz, "The Watcher" is a Warren G beat.
usually, i'd believe it.. but that really sounds nothin like a warren beat.
You can believe what you want. I really doubt that Bad Azz has a reason to lie about this shit.
They produced magic together on "Through the Rain"...i just dont understand how it went to Phats Bossi and ended up on a low-budget soundtrack.
Do you actually have the soundtrack? Have you seen the credits?
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Do you actually have the soundtrack? Have you seen the credits?
(http://s7.postimage.org/rtpayjcnv/rain.jpg)
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Thanks for postin' that, Will. What soundtrack is that?
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Thanks for postin' that, Will. What soundtrack is that?
Uninvited Guest. The one that had CPO's 'Fleetwood Mac' on it
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Can you hook up the E-A-Ski song from the soundtrack?
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Can you hook up the E-A-Ski song from the soundtrack?
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=288742.msg2869252#msg2869252
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Thanks.
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I think that dre never really was feeling warren as a artist.
Dre and suge i think both wanted snoop and nate on their team, and warren was sort of like, coming with the package as 213.
Warren was allowed to be involved in the early times of deathrow helping with the early projects like chronic and doggystyle,
but they never had intention of signing him, and eventually told him to kick rocks.
And the really sad thing is that snoop never really tried to push dre and suge for warren to be signed,
as i think snoop also didnt really feel warren as an artist much either.
If you remember what snoop said before, he said before 2pac signed to deathrow, suge wasnt feeling pac,
and it was only after when snoop pushed suge to sign him, convincing him that he would be a dope addition to the team.
He obviously never did that for warren.
Even snoop said before that he thought all warren's albums were wack, except the "in the mid-nite hour" album which he said he liked.
It's no mystery that snoop never got warren to produce any beats for the 213 album, which doesnt make sense since he's the dj of the group.
Snoop also never used a warren beat on any of his solo albums since doggystyle, which he helped produce.
To be fair, warren is definately not a real emcee like snoop or kurupt. He cant freestyle, and he cant really write lyrics of his own besides some
really a-b-c style lyrics. Any lyrics of his that have substance or lyricism are written by ghost writers, or atleast helped him with his lyrics.
He tends to used recycled verses when he features on other peoples tracks (He should never have recycled verses. It's like the worst thing ever)
On the other side, he has a dope voice, style and flow as a rapper, and is a real dope producer.
So what warren lacks with his emcee abilities, he makes up with his dope style of raps and his dope beats.
In other words he's a producer who can rap. Just like his step brother dre.
Dont understand why dre couldnt feel him and want to sign him, when dre's abilities as an artist are just the same as his step brother warren.
There was alot of rappers hanging around the deathrow camp which some got signed, but never got to release any music,
or just had a song of two on their soundtracks. Snoop and warren's friends; the twinz and lil half dead were hanging around deathrow
in the early years, but they ended up getting signed elsewhere (the twinz with gfunk/def jam, and lil half dead with priority),
and both released albums. You can see lil half dead and the twinz in dre's "lil ghetto boy" and "fuck with dre day" video clips.
Dre and suge made a big mistake not signing him as warren's first album supposedly sold 10 million worldwide.
In the end, it was most probably a better move for him to sign with def jam, because we got classic records like "regulate g funk era" ,
and "take a look over your shoulder" , while the lady of Rage got her album released on death row in 1997, and nate never had his album properly released.
And then there were countless other artists on deathrow who never released an album.
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as i think snoop also didnt really feel warren as an artist much either.
maybe, same with the twinz and half dead actually, which are supposed to be snoop's best friends (especially half dead). snoop may have been jealous of warren's solo success. i mean snoop sold more with doggystyle and all but warren really hit home with regulate. that song alone makes him more of a household name than a lot of peeps in this rap game (not snoop though), such a popularity may have sparked snoop's remark on warren's career (like "stop asking me all these questions bout warren & daz like they're gods, they need to stop criticizing dre, their career are shitty). the only time snoop used warren for beats was for tha eastsidaz (big bang theory) and that wiz and snoop soundtrack.
To be fair, warren is definately not a real emcee like snoop or kurupt. He cant freestyle, and he cant really write lyrics of his own besides some
really a-b-c style lyrics. Any lyrics of his that have substance or lyricism are written by ghost writers, or atleast helped him with his lyrics.
He tends to used recycled verses when he features on other peoples tracks (He should never have recycled verses. It's like the worst thing ever)
well he can freestyle, he's just not good at it, lol. he is garbage as a rapper but as you said he can make enjoyable songs and is a dope ass producer.
Dont understand why dre couldnt feel him and want to sign him, when dre's abilities as an artist are just the same as his step brother warren.
the difference with dre and warren is that dre wants everything to be perfect technically, so he's not gonna venture into writing songs knowing he's not a potent songwriter. warren's content with his style and rightfully so cause even though he's weak it makes his shit authentic whereas it makes dre's shit sound unauthentic. that being said Dre is much more exacting with his ghostwriters and that makes him spit much better than most of warren's verses.
dre may have been slightly embarassed by warren's style of raps lol. and he didn't want to think warren was signed because of their family ties.
He tends to used recycled verses when he features on other peoples tracks (He should never have recycled verses. It's like the worst thing ever)
to be faire he ain't the only one to do that, Snoop & Daz especially do that a lot. i agree with you though. it sucks.
There was alot of rappers hanging around the deathrow camp which some got signed, but never got to release any music,
or just had a song of two on their soundtracks. Snoop and warren's friends; the twinz and lil half dead were hanging around deathrow
in the early years, but they ended up getting signed elsewhere (the twinz with gfunk/def jam, and lil half dead with priority),
and both released albums. You can see lil half dead and the twinz in dre's "lil ghetto boy" and "fuck with dre day" video clips.
well foesum, the twinz and warren appear in a lot of these chronic / doggystyle videos (with others like big c style, joe cool etc.) but they were more like hanger-ons from snoop's entourage than potential death row signees.
Warren sure did the right thing by going with Def Jam, but even before that he was signed to John Singleton's music production company, and Chris Lighty snatched him from this deal. Suge got pissed when he saw that Warren was gonna blow and tried to block his shine by forbidding nate to show up to Warren's video shoot for Regulate but Chris Lighty earned Suge's respect by showing up in person to the Death Row offices on Larabee.
Warren would have never blown up on Death Row, he wouldn't even have reached Kurupt's status. timing is everything in rap, and Warren was right on time when they dropped Regulate.
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Dre and suge made a big mistake not signing him as warren's first album supposedly sold 10 million worldwide.
I diagree. Warren is a dope producer and talent but he would have got lost in the shuffle over at Death Row. Instead of playing the waiting game at a label that was overstocked with people from the same circle as himself, he went over to another label that had really nobody from the West and cut a good deal for himself. His value was much higher to a label like Def Jam who needed what he was offering and could make him a priority than to Death Row, who would have made him just another part of the team.
Nepotisn is a sweet gig if you can get it but if you have the talent and drive, why wait around for other people to work with you? It's a double-edged sword here. If Dre brings Warren into make music, it's fucked up how Dre needs him to do the work for him. If he doesn't, it's fucked up how Dre don't help Warren out with some work. Warren G is a talented enough producer with plenty of connections to both established vets and newcomers trying to get their foot in the door that he can go out and make great music on its own. Warren G is plenty talented enough to not rely on being Dr. Dre's brother or Snoop's BFF to eat.
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Dre and suge made a big mistake not signing him as warren's first album supposedly sold 10 million worldwide.
I diagree. Warren is a dope producer and talent but he would have got lost in the shuffle over at Death Row. Instead of playing the waiting game at a label that was overstocked with people from the same circle as himself, he went over to another label that had really nobody from the West and cut a good deal for himself. His value was much higher to a label like Def Jam who needed what he was offering and could make him a priority than to Death Row, who would have made him just another part of the team.
Nepotisn is a sweet gig if you can get it but if you have the talent and drive, why wait around for other people to work with you? It's a double-edged sword here. If Dre brings Warren into make music, it's fucked up how Dre needs him to do the work for him. If he doesn't, it's fucked up how Dre don't help Warren out with some work. Warren G is a talented enough producer with plenty of connections to both established vets and newcomers trying to get their foot in the door that he can go out and make great music on its own. Warren G is plenty talented enough to not rely on being Dr. Dre's brother or Snoop's BFF to eat.
this.
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the fact of the matter is, they are two of the same mold. theyre both producers who like to take total control and command the music they touch. so for both of them to work together would be tough, because they would cancel each other out. producers dont usually collaborate the same way rappers do. i mean, it can be done, but they're too similar in fashion to consistently work together. it doesnt seem like there's any hard feelings between the two, but more so a difference of direction.
good point
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Dre and suge made a big mistake not signing him as warren's first album supposedly sold 10 million worldwide.
I diagree. Warren is a dope producer and talent but he would have got lost in the shuffle over at Death Row. Instead of playing the waiting game at a label that was overstocked with people from the same circle as himself, he went over to another label that had really nobody from the West and cut a good deal for himself. His value was much higher to a label like Def Jam who needed what he was offering and could make him a priority than to Death Row, who would have made him just another part of the team.
Nepotisn is a sweet gig if you can get it but if you have the talent and drive, why wait around for other people to work with you? It's a double-edged sword here. If Dre brings Warren into make music, it's fucked up how Dre needs him to do the work for him. If he doesn't, it's fucked up how Dre don't help Warren out with some work. Warren G is a talented enough producer with plenty of connections to both established vets and newcomers trying to get their foot in the door that he can go out and make great music on its own. Warren G is plenty talented enough to not rely on being Dr. Dre's brother or Snoop's BFF to eat.
I'm not saying Warren was better off with signing to death row,... what I'm trying to say is that dre and suge made a big mistake in not signing him,
and not taking his talent as an artist seriously by priorising him for a quick release like in 1994. It could've been done if dre and suge were serious about it,
but they obviously underestimated warren's talent and ability to sell millions. They fucked up, not warren. They did it for 2pac,
when he signed in mid/late 1995, and started making his debut deathrow album "all eyez on me" straight away, and gave it a quick release in 1996,
and then only a few months later the makaveli album was released. 2pac wasnt in the plans of deathrow before 1995, but they pushed for him to get his album out
as soon as possible once he signed.
Because dre and suge were'nt really trying to do anything with warren, he made the best move by signing to defjam and released his debut LP in 94,
at the height of the popularity of snoop and deathrow. He even brought out artists under him like the twinz and the dove shack who got to release albums
just a year later in 95, and then early 1997 releasing his second LP on def jam.
Going to dej jam was definately the best move for warren.
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signing warren was also the best move with def jam... remember def jam was struggling at the time and russell simmons' other ventures weren't taking off yet (phat pharm, def comedy jam). so warren's sales were a breath of fresh air before def jam really got to kill the game in 97-98.
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The only other thing I can think of that they did was the Up In Smoke Tour.
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warren g style and dre style dont match well together
listen to the beats the keys and drums are too different
dre might mix warren shit but
they cannot collab on producing cuz the way they make beats is too different
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I'm not saying Warren was better off with signing to death row,... what I'm trying to say is that dre and suge made a big mistake in not signing him,
and not taking his talent as an artist seriously by priorising him for a quick release like in 1994. It could've been done if dre and suge were serious about it,
but they obviously underestimated warren's talent and ability to sell millions. They fucked up, not warren. They did it for 2pac,
when he signed in mid/late 1995, and started making his debut deathrow album "all eyez on me" straight away, and gave it a quick release in 1996,
and then only a few months later the makaveli album was released. 2pac wasnt in the plans of deathrow before 1995, but they pushed for him to get his album out
as soon as possible once he signed.
But again, I don't think it was that big of a mistake. They had several new artists to concentrate on at the time. Everyone but Dr. Dre was a new artist. New artists need time to be developed. When they signed Pac, he was three albums deep and coming off the biggest selling album of his career and embroiled in some major controversies, it was a no-brainer. Warren's talent was producing. Dr. Dre was the most bankable producer in rap when they started Death Row so Warren was going to be taking a backseat to that for awhie. As it is, Death Row got the rights to Warren's first hit single, "Regulate" and dropped it on "Above The Rim" soundtrack so they must have known what they were doing a little bit.
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Yeah thats a good point.
warren g style and dre style dont match well together
listen to the beats the keys and drums are too different
dre might mix warren shit but
they cannot collab on producing cuz the way they make beats is too different
who says that dre cant produce some beats for warren's albums, or feature on his albums, or have warren guest feature (rapping) on dre's albums ?....
dre did produce the game dont wait remix, and "lookin at you" , and mixed the "do you see" song. So he has contributed something to warren's songs,
but he's never featured on a g-dub track, and g-dub has never featured on a dr dre album as a rapper
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I think the OG of Lookin at You featured Dre
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Warren was working with Dre and the camp between I Want It All and Retutn of the Regulator. I always assumed it was a trowaway from that time. Maybe Warren even submitted shit for 2001 which got rejected.
According to Bad Azz, "The Watcher" is a Warren G beat.
he must be on crack, it sounds nothing like warren g.