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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: Meho on October 14, 2012, 07:55:11 AM
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Guess this will be leaking soon
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Guess this will be leaking soon
+ thanks to OP
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first album from aftermath with no dre production?
well at least he mixed alot of it
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first album from aftermath with no dre production?
well at least he mixed alot of it
as Nik says, 10 years ago the same album recorded in the same fashion would have had dre's name all over it as far as production is concerned.
good to see that terrace secured a placement for the album.
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first album from aftermath with no dre production?
well at least he mixed alot of it
I think people got tired of him takin' credit as the producer when in reality he really didn't have nothin' to do with the beat.
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dre did have something to do with the beats, it's just that he was getting most of the credit all the time cause his contribution to the track, however minimal, brought life to the track.
i think Dre gave up on a producer's credit at that point in his career, he ain't worried about no royalty checks since he's loaded for life and he isn't motivated by increasing his catalogue since he's already acknowledged as a TOP 3 producer in the history of Hip-Hop pretty much.
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dre did have something to do with the beats, it's just that he was getting most of the credit all the time cause his contribution to the track, however minimal, brought life to the track.
Dre got musicians to play for him and they create the beat. Dre doesn't do that shit himself.
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dre only mixed 2 tracks himself haha
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i don't think so somehow. it actually seems like dre has minimal involvement with the production this time. should become more obvious when listening.
a good thing in the sense that it wouldn't be coming out otherwise... but negative in that the album sounds very bland from the snippets. leakage soon.
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dre only mixed 2 tracks himself haha
It looks like he mixed almost half the album to me
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dre only mixed 2 tracks himself haha
It looks like he mixed almost half the album to me
huh?
mixed by Derek Ali = 6 tracks
mixed by Dre AND Derek Ali = 7 tracks
mixed by Dre = 2 tracks
this Derek Ali cat has his hands in the mixing more than Dre apparently
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dre only mixed 2 tracks himself haha
It looks like he mixed almost half the album to me
huh?
mixed by Derek Ali = 6 tracks
mixed by Dre AND Derek Ali = 7 tracks
mixed by Dre = 2 tracks
this Derek Ali cat has his hands in the mixing more than Dre apparently
That was a smart thing to do, since that's the team that made Kendrick's music what it is on the last albums/tapes.
No need to rip on Dre, though. TDE claimed creative independency from the beginning.
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dre only mixed 2 tracks himself haha
It looks like he mixed almost half the album to me
huh?
mixed by Derek Ali = 6 tracks
mixed by Dre AND Derek Ali = 7 tracks
mixed by Dre = 2 tr
this Derek Ali cat has his hands in the mixing more than Dre apparently
So Dre had his hands on 9 tracks. Ali been mixing TDE shit for awhile now so I'm happy with that :-)l
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#h.o.c
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first album from aftermath with no dre production?
well at least he mixed alot of it
I think people got tired of him takin' credit as the producer when in reality he really didn't have nothin' to do with the beat.
it's actually the other way around...Dre produces the track a lot more than the dudes comin with lil beat loops, if we're going by the ORIGINAL definition of producer. the problem is, with all the beat-makers complaining and claiming that cats like Dre are taking credit, the definition of producer has been changed over the years. You can bet that the songs with Dre's name will all have a signature Dre sound with the signature Dre thump, and will be a lot higher in quality than the songs Dre was not a part of. Thats because Dre PRODUCED those tracks. He might not have come up with the idea for the beat, but there is no denying he is what brings the music to life...which is essentially what a producer does. it's fucked up how all these cats complainin' finally did Dre dirty, in a sense that he's no longer even seen as a producer, when in reality, he is the ULTIMATE producer. he puts all his energy into every second of every track, which is why anything with his name on it goes. in 2002, these tracks that now say Mixed by Dr. Dre and Derek Ali woulda all said PRODUCED by Dr. Dre and Derek Ali.......the shit will still go, regardless, but Dre is getting robbed as far as credit goes. this also may be a contributing factor as to why "Detox" aint comin out. u know Dre cant be pleased with losing his producer title all because of the re-definition of the word. "Detox", with a majority of the tracks credited to other producers, would be an embarrassing slap in the face and could even tarnish his legacy.
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lets not get into this again Nik but what instrumental has been released under "Produced By Dr. Dre"? As far as we've heard its been nothin BUT loops. Dre aint makin those "Diced Pineapples" instrumentals or those "Let Me Ride DRGH Remix" instrumentals. All we've ever really gotten was shit like "Deja Vu" and "Death To My Enemies".
I'll give u "3AM" which still rings bells to this day but its not like Dre is putting out Instrumentals instead of just Beats.
or r u saying i too have the definition of Producer and Beat Maker mixed up too?
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lets not get into this again Nik but what instrumental has been released under "Produced By Dr. Dre"? As far as we've heard its been nothin BUT loops. Dre aint makin those "Diced Pineapples" instrumentals or those "Let Me Ride DRGH Remix" instrumentals. All we've ever really gotten was shit like "Deja Vu" and "Death To My Enemies".
I'll give u "3AM" which still rings bells to this day but its not like Dre is putting out Instrumentals instead of just Beats.
or r u saying i too have the definition of Producer and Beat Maker mixed up too?
listen 2 a Dre beat..it is always layered PERFECTLY. from the intro, to the build-up, to the bridge, leading to the chorus. its not that a Dre production is always complex (even though it could be), but more so that it's perfectly engineered and structured to perfection. everything always hits precisely, in comparison to pretty much any other producer. his shit also typically hits harder and crisper. u can tell a dre beat when u hear it.
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Yeah ppl gettin it twisted coz the average producer these days is just a beatmaker and does 100% of the track himself on a PC
The definition has changed. Back in the day a producer wouldn't even touch an instrument. He'd have an engineer and maybe an arranger to to set out the instruments. But that type of producer would have the million dollar *ear* to make everything tight.
Dre does a bit of everything.
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this is sad. yall r the only 1's who arent aware of the difference between a Producer and a Beat Maker lol. i give up smh lol
Dre doesnt ever really have bridges or change ups in his BEATS. Dre hasnt had a "complex" beat since that last Devin The Dude track and even then that was still just a replayed sample.
whatever tho. nobody is trying to fade Dr. Dre, we just know wassup. Knowing the difference between a Producer and a Beat Maker doesnt require sophistication. Maybe if youre 12 and just starting out it takes a bit of understanding and examples but anybody can tell the difference between a Beat and an Instrumental with either just FL Studio .wav samples or real instruments lol.
whatever tho. u got it. clearly everybody has it wrong and yall r the only 1's who have it right. our mistake
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this is sad. yall r the only 1's who arent aware of the difference between a Producer and a Beat Maker lol. i give up smh lol
Dre doesnt ever really have bridges or change ups in his BEATS. Dre hasnt had a "complex" beat since that last Devin The Dude track and even then that was still just a replayed sample.
whatever tho. nobody is trying to fade Dr. Dre, we just know wassup. Knowing the difference between a Producer and a Beat Maker doesnt require sophistication. Maybe if youre 12 and just starting out it takes a bit of understanding and examples but anybody can tell the difference between a Beat and an Instrumental with either just FL Studio .wav samples or real instruments lol.
whatever tho. u got it. clearly everybody has it wrong and yall r the only 1's who have it right. our mistake
Yeah but who in hiphop is using real instruments, samples (and scratches) properly these days?
Dre's beats haven't been musically all that since the Gen1 Aftermath team were on deck.
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alot of people are doing that Will lol. u just dont listen for anything outside of The Ruthless Family Tree smh lol oh my god
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its not exactly breaking news either
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alot of people are doing that Will lol. u just dont listen for anything outside of The Ruthless Family Tree smh lol oh my god
Oh LOL Arthur :D
C'mon the answer you were looking for was 'the minority of producers'
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sythesizers, vst's, and vsti's along with the ability to play the keyboard arent exactly something u can master overnight. it takes skill to execute it the right way and it takes years of Practice.
u can just automatic say the guy who knows how to only play the French Horn is a better musician than the guy who knows how to play the sythesizer and work the mpc as well as incorporate properly in Pro Tools (or whatever he uses, if anything at all). that takes dillingence and alot more effort than just playing an instrument or two. im not knocking the Horn player or the Saxophonist or the Pianoist and whoever but lets not downplay 1 type of music over the other becuz of bias and personal preference.
there hasnt been a thing complex or complicated outside of a few tracks from Dr. Dre since 1999. Dre aint been about all that in a long ass time and everybody knows that. Dude's been puttin out more loops than shoes at Payless (stacking and all, which is what helps a beat maker or producer get their own unique sound btw)
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alot of people are doing that Will lol. u just dont listen for anything outside of The Ruthless Family Tree smh lol oh my god
Oh LOL Arthur :D
C'mon the answer you were looking for was 'the minority of producers'
dont tell me youre catching feelings or trying to be funny with that whole "minority" line?
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so i take it u were becuz u came in here for about 10 minutes 'posting' abd then logged off. go dip yourself in some Elmer's
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sythesizers, vst's, and vsti's along with the ability to play the keyboard arent exactly something u can master overnight. it takes skill to execute it the right way and it takes years of Practice.
u can just automatic say the guy who knows how to only play the French Horn is a better musician than the guy who knows how to play the sythesizer and work the mpc as well as incorporate properly in Pro Tools (or whatever he uses, if anything at all). that takes dillingence and alot more effort than just playing an instrument or two. im not knocking the Horn player or the Saxophonist or the Pianoist and whoever but lets not downplay 1 type of music over the other becuz of bias and personal preference.
there hasnt been a thing complex or complicated outside of a few tracks from Dr. Dre since 1999. Dre aint been about all that in a long ass time and everybody knows that. Dude's been puttin out more loops than shoes at Payless (stacking and all, which is what helps a beat maker or producer get their own unique sound btw)
Yes but Dre also has always kept the best stuff for himself, and his 'choice' artists. I believe if Dre ever releases Detox (unlikely) he'll bring out the big guns. The way he tosses simple loops and shit to lesser artists is almost an insult to them on Dre's part but it's how he works.
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im sure he will Will (and im actually banking on it). it still doesnt mean what he's been doing for the past 12 years doesnt count. at some point the Talent has to meet the concrete.
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*dre post alert*
detox baby, it's coming.
i don't think the lack of dre is just the way the credits are being handled, it's just a project where he was more hands off. no doubt he had input but not as directly as in the past. a combination of factors could be the reason for this...
- label deal, release date. TDE don't want to spend a ton of money clearing dre's beats, even at discounted price. they also want to get the album out this year and dre would hold it up if it was more of an aftermath project.
- taking all the fresh AAA material for the vault/detox. mentioned above, highly likely. can't see kendrick minding, dre's given him the biggest public co-sign possible and if he knows that detox is actually coming out, then it's for the best.
personally i expected some actual dre beats on this album, even if was just a couple of tracks. some magic to make it shine because the snippets sound pretty poor. what we've heard of that new roscoe album sounds way better for example. it's all good...i guess its less of a production driven project where kendrick is the main attraction. but for listeners like me more into the instrumentation, it's dissapointing. there's a camp saying dre's beats suck now, but i don't think so. his rapping sucks in places, but the beats certainly do not...even if we have very little to base that assumption off these days.
http://www.youtube.com/v/0Qup4v2uNfc
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^^^^ yeah 4 beats on official releases during these latest 3 years :laugh:..
Dre is pretty much retired for some time now ... not sure why some people are surprised with his lack of involvement in this album
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If you ask me, it's all about information given. Let's ask ourselves one thing. From 2000-2005, do you guys really think The Recipe would be credited to Scoop Deville? Hell no.
Seems to me like Dre is doing what he could've done years ago and what people also demanded in a way. Give credit where credit is due. IMO 10 years ago the production credits would look like this:
- The Recipe (produced by Dr. Dre)
- Compton (produced by Just Blaze, co-produced by Dr. Dre)
- the 2 solo mixed Dre tracks would translate into "produced by Dr. Dre"
- the 7 mixed by Dre & Ali tracks would/could translate into "additional production by Dr. Dre"
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^^^^ yeah 4 beats on official releases during these latest 3 years :laugh:..
Dre is pretty much retired for some time now ... not sure why some people are surprised with his lack of involvement in this album
well the recipe sounds great sonically...i'd kinda count any track that's engineered by veto as in the 'dre beats' category, especially when coupled with dre's 'mixing'. that expands the pool out much more than a handful of tracks. doesn't seem like this album has been through that process though...more of an external production.
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If you ask me, it's all about information given. Let's ask ourselves one thing. From 2000-2005, do you guys really think The Recipe would be credited to Scoop Deville? Hell no.
Seems to me like Dre is doing what he could've done years ago and what people also demanded in a way. Give credit where credit is due. IMO 10 years ago the production credits would look like this:
- The Recipe (produced by Dr. Dre)
- Compton (produced by Just Blaze, co-produced by Dr. Dre)
- the 2 solo mixed Dre tracks would translate into "produced by Dr. Dre"
- the 7 mixed by Dre & Ali tracks would/could translate into "additional production by Dr. Dre"
the thing is almost none of the tracks are down as having been engineered in-house at aftermath. those are always the tracks which shine the most and sound like a 'dre beat' sonically. we'll have to listen to the album, but i think the recipe is perhaps the most dre produced (in terms of what we can hear on the record) on here. compton too, but it's probably more similar to its origins being a just blaze beat.
i would like to have heard more dawaun parker involvement, if dre is keeping material for himself etc. his beats are incredible. but again, seems like the album isn't so much of an aftermath project.
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im not gonna sit up here and act like i've been in the studio with Dr. Dre for the past 25 years but his "crispness" can be disputed and so can his interpretation of what he does musically on a record.
when i made tracks in Reason 3 ppl used to always think i took that shit to a real studio becuz they sounded so clear and they werent so muddy. It happens alot more times than not nowadays. Technogy has advanced in so many ways that u dont really need Dr. Dre in the studio with you to get a certain clarity or a certain sound. if u want a good comparison of a recent song that a Beat Maker did and a Producer touched then listen to Chief Keef's "I Dont Like".
you're basically saying that nobody can make something sound as big or as clear as Dre and thats false as hell. Lex Luger and Kanye West do it among others.
youre not gonna tell me that this MIXTAPE QUALITY song doesnt have the same level of clarity as a Dre Production. if u do youre lying or youre talking outta your ass
http://www.youtube.com/v/mEiOkAXYCDw
*if u need further examination then stream the mixtape or download it and play it on your stereo or ride*
we gotta stop making excuses for Dr. Dre and trying to speculate exactly what he does and doesnt do on each and every song that doesnt or does have his name attached to it. thats living a fantasy.
http://community.allhiphop.com/discussion/480915/dat-nigga-daz-appreciation-thread/p1
look, im sure he does do things behind the boards and we can all pretty much assume he's dabbled in things here and there for the past 27-28 years (undisputedly). but at the same time we have to account for the Elephants in the room.
and far as far him releasing good beats i think its safe to say that yall r the minority on that. it hasnt all been bullshit and some of it has been nice but alot of it has been weak. it aint exactly hard to tell or something thats super subjective
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If you ask me, it's all about information given. Let's ask ourselves one thing. From 2000-2005, do you guys really think The Recipe would be credited to Scoop Deville? Hell no.
Seems to me like Dre is doing what he could've done years ago and what people also demanded in a way. Give credit where credit is due. IMO 10 years ago the production credits would look like this:
- The Recipe (produced by Dr. Dre)
- Compton (produced by Just Blaze, co-produced by Dr. Dre)
- the 2 solo mixed Dre tracks would translate into "produced by Dr. Dre"
- the 7 mixed by Dre & Ali tracks would/could translate into "additional production by Dr. Dre"
the thing is almost none of the tracks are down as having been engineered in-house at aftermath. those are always the tracks which shine the most and sound like a 'dre beat' sonically. we'll have to listen to the album, but i think the recipe is perhaps the most dre produced (in terms of what we can hear on the record) on here. compton too, but it's probably more similar to its origins being a just blaze beat.
i would like to have heard more dawaun parker involvement, if dre is keeping material for himself etc. his beats are incredible. but again, seems like the album isn't so much of an aftermath project.
Yeah it definitely looks like this is more of a GRODT type situation, where 50 also had the bulk of the album done prior to meeting Dre. Kendrick said he wanted to stand on his own on the first album, maybe we'll get a more Documentary type of project on his 2nd album.
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Also ppl be romanticising bout Dre's old stuff (most of it sounds lovely) but tracks like Zoom and Heads Ringin are hella overproduced.
What I'm saying is Dre got top level tracks of all eras.
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I always look at the writing credits to see who was involved in putting the track together. I think they are more revealing than who is nominally credited as "producing" the track. I see from the JPEGs images that "A. Young" is listed in only "The Recipe." That makes sense to me, because from what I've heard so far, it's the only Dre sounding track on the album. In fact, I'll go so far as to say Dre co-produced The Recipe, but relinquished credit. A track like "Compton" doesn't sound at all like a Dre-produced track. Sounds like Just Blaze to me -- no surprise he's the credited producer. :D
As for the Dre mixed tracks -- I don't really think it matters that much. I honestly don't think those would have been considered Dre produced tracks back in the day; it's simply just that Dre did not musically have much involvement with this project.
In my mind, judging from the writing credits, this album has one Dre co-production, whereas back in the day, he was far more intimately musically-involved with the albums he Executive- or Directly-Produced. I think that explains why Dre's name is not all over this album. Therefore, I think some of you guys have it backwards. Dre is less and less musically involved these days with projects that ostensibly have his name on them, and in fact he's becoming more and more a business overseer of his projects more than anything else. Check my post in the "so Dr.Dre didn't produce any tracks for Kendrick" shock thread for more of my thoughts on this topic.
Just my 2 cents.
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http://www.youtube.com/v/0Qup4v2uNfc
damn i wanna hear that beat
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gxJYCSFZpY
check the sound and the mix. we all know how neptunes beats sounds. 8) 8)
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im sure he will Will (and im actually banking on it). it still doesnt mean what he's been doing for the past 12 years doesnt count. at some point the Talent has to meet the concrete.
sure, dre does toss around simple beats with not as many build-ups, bridges, etc (ie, "King Louis XIII").....but listen to a beat like "Kush". if u think thats just a
"simple loop" then u need more medicine than i initially thought.
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^^^^ yeah 4 beats on official releases during these latest 3 years :laugh:..
Dre is pretty much retired for some time now ... not sure why some people are surprised with his lack of involvement in this album
he's still producing, though...even the new Xzibit album has a new Dre beat. you'd expect an album dropping on Aftermath to have AT LEAST 1 Dre beat. and not that it doesn't, cuz it does....but like i said, the word producer is not defined like it once was.
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If you ask me, it's all about information given. Let's ask ourselves one thing. From 2000-2005, do you guys really think The Recipe would be credited to Scoop Deville? Hell no.
Seems to me like Dre is doing what he could've done years ago and what people also demanded in a way. Give credit where credit is due. IMO 10 years ago the production credits would look like this:
- The Recipe (produced by Dr. Dre)
- Compton (produced by Just Blaze, co-produced by Dr. Dre)
- the 2 solo mixed Dre tracks would translate into "produced by Dr. Dre"
- the 7 mixed by Dre & Ali tracks would/could translate into "additional production by Dr. Dre"
exactly....only, even to a greater extent. the "Compton" track woulda said "Produced by Dr. Dre and Just Blaze"....the tracks mixed by Dre and Ali woulda said "Produced by Dr. Dre and Ali".......Dre ALWAYS had first dibs when it came to production credit, cuz he was always the mastermind behind ANY production he touched. the way they've re-invented the word producer is bullshit and could end up being Dre's downfall, as well as the reason "Detox" doesnt come out.
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im not gonna sit up here and act like i've been in the studio with Dr. Dre for the past 25 years but his "crispness" can be disputed and so can his interpretation of what he does musically on a record.
when i made tracks in Reason 3 ppl used to always think i took that shit to a real studio becuz they sounded so clear and they werent so muddy. It happens alot more times than not nowadays. Technogy has advanced in so many ways that u dont really need Dr. Dre in the studio with you to get a certain clarity or a certain sound. if u want a good comparison of a recent song that a Beat Maker did and a Producer touched then listen to Chief Keef's "I Dont Like".
you're basically saying that nobody can make something sound as big or as clear as Dre and thats false as hell. Lex Luger and Kanye West do it among others.
youre not gonna tell me that this MIXTAPE QUALITY song doesnt have the same level of clarity as a Dre Production. if u do youre lying or youre talking outta your ass
http://www.youtube.com/v/mEiOkAXYCDw
*if u need further examination then stream the mixtape or download it and play it on your stereo or ride*
we gotta stop making excuses for Dr. Dre and trying to speculate exactly what he does and doesnt do on each and every song that doesnt or does have his name attached to it. thats living a fantasy.
http://community.allhiphop.com/discussion/480915/dat-nigga-daz-appreciation-thread/p1
look, im sure he does do things behind the boards and we can all pretty much assume he's dabbled in things here and there for the past 27-28 years (undisputedly). but at the same time we have to account for the Elephants in the room.
and far as far him releasing good beats i think its safe to say that yall r the minority on that. it hasnt all been bullshit and some of it has been nice but alot of it has been weak. it aint exactly hard to tell or something thats super subjective
go slap them tracks you're talkin about in your whip....then slap "2001" immediately after. now, slap yourself if u dont see the difference.
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I always look at the writing credits to see who was involved in putting the track together. I think they are more revealing than who is nominally credited as "producing" the track. I see from the JPEGs images that "A. Young" is listed in only "The Recipe." That makes sense to me, because from what I've heard so far, it's the only Dre sounding track on the album. In fact, I'll go so far as to say Dre co-produced The Recipe, but relinquished credit. A track like "Compton" doesn't sound at all like a Dre-produced track. Sounds like Just Blaze to me -- no surprise he's the credited producer. :D
As for the Dre mixed tracks -- I don't really think it matters that much. I honestly don't think those would have been considered Dre produced tracks back in the day; it's simply just that Dre did not musically have much involvement with this project.
In my mind, judging from the writing credits, this album has one Dre co-production, whereas back in the day, he was far more intimately musically-involved with the albums he Executive- or Directly-Produced. I think that explains why Dre's name is not all over this album. Therefore, I think some of you guys have it backwards. Dre is less and less musically involved these days with projects that ostensibly have his name on them, and in fact he's becoming more and more a business overseer of his projects more than anything else. Check my post in the "so Dr.Dre didn't produce any tracks for Kendrick" shock thread for more of my thoughts on this topic.
Just my 2 cents.
this could be a possibility, as well.....that Dre is simply "less involved" nowadays. but when beats like "Kush", "Topless", "Recipe" etc. drop and Dre gets no production credit, it makes it hard to gauge what Dre's doing and what he's not.....ultimately, we'll be able to tell when we hear the album in its entirety, but u cant say a lot of recent productions with Dre involvement that have been credited to other producers dont have the signature Dre sound.
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I'm a bit shocked that Dre didn't produce any tracks.
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People act like dude is only signed to Aftemath. Kendrick came in the deal under his own situation. He's TDE first, with backing by Aftermath/Interscope. So it shouldn't be a total shock if Dre didn't produce anything. Kendrick already has his in-house thing going that Dre was already diggin at the time he signed him so I'm sure he didn't wanna take anything away from it by forcing his beats on there. Seems like Dre took more of an executive roll & overseed the album, took apart in mixing a bulk of the album, and made sure the overall album was tight. Long as the product is tight & it sound good I don't give a fuck who produced it. I'm buying a Kendrick Lamar album based on his lyrical ability & the strength on how much I enjoyed Section .80 not because who producing it or what record company's logo is on the cd. Who knows, it might even be a simular situation like how Bishop Lamont was supposed to be where the Reformation was gonna have various producers & his follow up, The Impossible Possible was supposed to be entirely produced by Dr. Dre & Scott Stortch.
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People act like dude is only signed to Aftemath. Kendrick came in the deal under his own situation. He's TDE first, with backing by Aftermath/Interscope. So it shouldn't be a total shock if Dre didn't produce anything. Kendrick already has his in-house thing going that Dre was already diggin at the time he signed him so I'm sure he didn't wanna take anything away from it by forcing his beats on there. Seems like Dre took more of an executive roll & overseed the album, took apart in mixing a bulk of the album, and made sure the overall album was tight. Long as the product is tight & it sound good I don't give a fuck who produced it. I'm buying a Kendrick Lamar album based on his lyrical ability & the strength on how much I enjoyed Section .80 not because who producing it or what record company's logo is on the cd.
THIS.