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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: Eddz on November 07, 2012, 02:42:28 PM
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Didn't see this posted but it's a new video from his upcoming mix tape, “Listen” / “#1″ both songs are smoking 8)
http://www.dubcnn.com/2012/11/07/kurupt-drops-jae-synth-directed-video-for-2-records-off-mbp/
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I don't know... the question is still the same... why would I listen to this new stuff and not just bump his old stuff one more time
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OKay.. the second track "#1" was pretty dope
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Damn listen is smokin!
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I don't know... the question is still the same... why would I listen to this new stuff and not just bump his old stuff one more time
come on, dawg
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both tracks are dope...kurupt is back.
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I dug the contrast of the two songs and will be sure to check out the mixtape. It seems like he has been circling back to his older flow, which I always vibed with.
I don't know... the question is still the same... why would I listen to this new stuff and not just bump his old stuff one more time
I am not sure if that is intended to be a rhetorical question, but if everyone just listens to his old stuff one more time, there is no reason for him to put out the new records. That inhibits growth, both for the artist and the listener. When he drops a new track, why not check it out to see if it is worth adding to your rotation?
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Both Tracks ARE Dope!! Im Diggin These!! 8) 8)
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I am not sure if that is intended to be a rhetorical question, but if everyone just listens to his old stuff one more time, there is no reason for him to put out the new records. That inhibits growth, both for the artist and the listener. When he drops a new track, why not check it out to see if it is worth adding to your rotation?
Good post, and here's what I meant by my comments.
Why do we ever stop listening to great music? It all goes back to basic free market concepts, such as supply, demand, scarcity, and surplus. When there is a surplus of any product, the demand decreases. So each time you listen to a song think of it like increasing the supply. Thus, with each listen the value of the song is decreased.
So take a Kurupt track like "Reality" off of the Dogg Food album. Imagine that it's original value the first time you listened to it, was like $100 dollars. But with each listen the value decreases. I've probably listened to the song "Reality" some 500 times over the years. Which has probably decreased it's value to a mere $2 dollars.
Now a track like "Listen", upon first listen it's value may be something like .2 cents. So the track "Reality" even though it's old and played out is still worth more.
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Why do we ever stop listening to great music? It all goes back to basic free market concepts, such as supply, demand, scarcity, and surplus. When there is a surplus of any product, the demand decreases. So each time you listen to a song think of it like increasing the supply. Thus, with each listen the value of the song is decreased.
So take a Kurupt track like "Reality" off of the Dogg Food album. Imagine that it's original value the first time you listened to it, was like $100 dollars. But with each listen the value decreases. I've probably listened to the song "Reality" some 500 times over the years. Which has probably decreased it's value to a mere $2 dollars.
Now a track like "Listen", upon first listen it's value may be something like .2 cents. So the track "Reality" even though it's old and played out is still worth more.
I believe that there are several layers of depth that should be added to your example, such as: the end results of competing products, variance in the desire of suppliers, the interest of the mass consumers, and fluctuation of the market itself. I do not want to derail this topic too far, so I am only going to address the same supplier concept of the first point.
If I look at King Tee's discography, I was a fan of "At Your Own Risk" and "The Triflin' Album," so I was looking forward to hearing "IV Life." When I did, it blew the other records out of the water. The introduction of a competing product by the same supplier decreased my value of what was already in the market.
However, if I look at Xzibit's catalog, I still cannot get enough of "At the Speed of Life" or "40 Dayz and 40 Nightz." When "Restless" dropped, it did not have the rawness that previously drew me to Xzibit's music. I can hear why people dig it and often think that it is his best release, but for me, it was a new product by the same supplier that increased the the value of the products that were already in the market.
I still spin Masta Ace's "Take a Look Around" and vibe with the positivity of the album. When I heard "Slaughta House," I did not know what to think, because it was bitter and angry, but I could understand the evolution from his previously positive music; it was his response to his album not selling well. It was an evident progression of an artist as a musician and a person, and it gave both of those records more depth for me. It was the same supplier adding a complimentary product to the environment. Without hearing both of those records, I would not have the same level of appreciation for either.
I am not advocating that anyone stop listening to music that they think is good. Rather, I would encourage someone to broaden their horizon and see what else is out there. Support the artists that you like when they are doing what you like.
Kurupt seems to be circling back to a sound and delivery that I like, so I want to see folks enjoying it, too, not sleeping on it because they are afraid that it is not up to par with his hold records.
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I am not sure if that is intended to be a rhetorical question, but if everyone just listens to his old stuff one more time, there is no reason for him to put out the new records. That inhibits growth, both for the artist and the listener. When he drops a new track, why not check it out to see if it is worth adding to your rotation?
Good post, and here's what I meant by my comments.
Why do we ever stop listening to great music? It all goes back to basic free market concepts, such as supply, demand, scarcity, and surplus. When there is a surplus of any product, the demand decreases. So each time you listen to a song think of it like increasing the supply. Thus, with each listen the value of the song is decreased.
So take a Kurupt track like "Reality" off of the Dogg Food album. Imagine that it's original value the first time you listened to it, was like $100 dollars. But with each listen the value decreases. I've probably listened to the song "Reality" some 500 times over the years. Which has probably decreased it's value to a mere $2 dollars.
Now a track like "Listen", upon first listen it's value may be something like .2 cents. So the track "Reality" even though it's old and played out is still worth more.
so why listen to new music at all? this is a pretty whack way of thinkin for those tryna build on the current state of hip-hop and working towards a future for the culture. if everyone thought like u, then mufuckaz like kurupt, nas, rza, etc would stop making music, and all we'd get was gay faggots like tyga and lil wayne. is that really what u want? re-think ur thoughts and support real shit, such as this new kurupt banger....growth is important. if we think like this, we're not even giving ourselves a chance to evolve musically. xzibit just came out with a great album. he had better shit in the past, but it's his best album in over 10 years and slaps front to back. are u gunna reject the idea of bumping it because "at the speed of life" is better? what if u never stopped to listen to "the marshall mathers lp" all because u felt that u could still listen to ''the slim shady lp'' instead??.....i dont usually call u out on shit, but i highly disagree with that ideology. it's just dumb, and stunts the growth of real hip-hop music, which i'm completely against. dont u see that?
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Why do we ever stop listening to great music? It all goes back to basic free market concepts, such as supply, demand, scarcity, and surplus. When there is a surplus of any product, the demand decreases. So each time you listen to a song think of it like increasing the supply. Thus, with each listen the value of the song is decreased.
So take a Kurupt track like "Reality" off of the Dogg Food album. Imagine that it's original value the first time you listened to it, was like $100 dollars. But with each listen the value decreases. I've probably listened to the song "Reality" some 500 times over the years. Which has probably decreased it's value to a mere $2 dollars.
Now a track like "Listen", upon first listen it's value may be something like .2 cents. So the track "Reality" even though it's old and played out is still worth more.
I believe that there are several layers of depth that should be added to your example, such as: the end results of competing products, variance in the desire of suppliers, the interest of the mass consumers, and fluctuation of the market itself. I do not want to derail this topic too far, so I am only going to address the same supplier concept of the first point.
If I look at King Tee's discography, I was a fan of "At Your Own Risk" and "The Triflin' Album," so I was looking forward to hearing "IV Life." When I did, it blew the other records out of the water. The introduction of a competing product by the same supplier decreased my value of what was already in the market.
However, if I look at Xzibit's catalog, I still cannot get enough of "At the Speed of Life" or "40 Dayz and 40 Nightz." When "Restless" dropped, it did not have the rawness that previously drew me to Xzibit's music. I can hear why people dig it and often think that it is his best release, but for me, it was a new product by the same supplier that increased the the value of the products that were already in the market.
I still spin Masta Ace's "Take a Look Around" and vibe with the positivity of the album. When I heard "Slaughta House," I did not know what to think, because it was bitter and angry, but I could understand the evolution from his previously positive music; it was his response to his album not selling well. It was an evident progression of an artist as a musician and a person, and it gave both of those records more depth for me. It was the same supplier adding a complimentary product to the environment. Without hearing both of those records, I would not have the same level of appreciation for either.
I am not advocating that anyone stop listening to music that they think is good. Rather, I would encourage someone to broaden their horizon and see what else is out there. Support the artists that you like when they are doing what you like.
Kurupt seems to be circling back to a sound and delivery that I like, so I want to see folks enjoying it, too, not sleeping on it because they are afraid that it is not up to par with his hold records.
good post
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I believe that there are several layers of depth that should be added to your example, such as: the end results of competing products, variance in the desire of suppliers, the interest of the mass consumers, and fluctuation of the market itself. I do not want to derail this topic too far, so I am only going to address the same supplier concept of the first point.
If I look at King Tee's discography, I was a fan of "At Your Own Risk" and "The Triflin' Album," so I was looking forward to hearing "IV Life." When I did, it blew the other records out of the water. The introduction of a competing product by the same supplier decreased my value of what was already in the market.
However, if I look at Xzibit's catalog, I still cannot get enough of "At the Speed of Life" or "40 Dayz and 40 Nightz." When "Restless" dropped, it did not have the rawness that previously drew me to Xzibit's music. I can hear why people dig it and often think that it is his best release, but for me, it was a new product by the same supplier that increased the the value of the products that were already in the market.
I still spin Masta Ace's "Take a Look Around" and vibe with the positivity of the album. When I heard "Slaughta House," I did not know what to think, because it was bitter and angry, but I could understand the evolution from his previously positive music; it was his response to his album not selling well. It was an evident progression of an artist as a musician and a person, and it gave both of those records more depth for me. It was the same supplier adding a complimentary product to the environment. Without hearing both of those records, I would not have the same level of appreciation for either.
I am not advocating that anyone stop listening to music that they think is good. Rather, I would encourage someone to broaden their horizon and see what else is out there. Support the artists that you like when they are doing what you like.
Kurupt seems to be circling back to a sound and delivery that I like, so I want to see folks enjoying it, too, not sleeping on it because they are afraid that it is not up to par with his hold records.
Well thought out post.
I need to check out Masta Ace "Take A Look Around" album, because I am a big fan of the Slaughterhouse album and especially the INC Incorporated album, and you said "Take A Look Around" is the best one so I need to check it out.
Still, I don't totally get what you were trying to say. It's an obvious point that I was making that songs get old after you have listened to them 100's of times. I don't see too many ways around that point. I was using market terms to basically say that after hearing a song so much it gets old. Yet if, originally the song was a great song, then it can still be better then an inferior song that's brand new; even though the track may be played out.
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so why listen to new music at all?
Well, we aren't talking about new music in general, we are talking specifically about Kurupts new music. And I'm not the only person on this forum that thinks that Kurupt has fallen off harder than any of our favorite West Coast legends.
this is a pretty whack way of thinkin for those tryna build on the current state of hip-hop and working towards a future for the culture. if everyone thought like u, then mufuckaz like kurupt, nas, rza, etc would stop making music, and all we'd get was gay faggots like tyga and lil wayne. is that really what u want? re-think ur thoughts and support real shit, such as this new kurupt banger....growth is important.
Again. Your talking about all these other artist like Rza and Nas. But I was talking specifically about Kurupt. Nas is still making great music, I listened to the Distant Relatives album he did with Damian Marley as much as I listened to his older albums. And I love Rza's new Man With The Iron Fists soundtrack. The difference is you think this new shit by Kurupt is a banger, and I don't. If I truly thought it was bangin' then I would bump it. But at the end of the day I'd rather see mutherfuckas supporting these new Kurupt tracks then LIl Wayne and Tyga so I feel you on that point.
if we think like this, we're not even giving ourselves a chance to evolve musically. xzibit just came out with a great album. he had better shit in the past, but it's his best album in over 10 years and slaps front to back. are u gunna reject the idea of bumping it because "at the speed of life" is better? what if u never stopped to listen to "the marshall mathers lp" all because u felt that u could still listen to ''the slim shady lp'' instead??.....i dont usually call u out on shit, but i highly disagree with that ideology. it's just dumb, and stunts the growth of real hip-hop music, which i'm completely against. dont u see that?
Again, I was talking about these Kurupt tracks specifically. I valued this new track "Listen" at .2 cents. And I valued "Reality" after 500 listens still higher at $2.00 But in 2012 I would rather listen to Xzibit's new album that just came out, then "Reality" off the Dogg Food album.
Get my point, I think you got me wrong. I was only talking about Kurupt's new shit.
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so why listen to new music at all?
Well, we aren't talking about new music in general, we are talking specifically about Kurupts new music. And I'm not the only person on this forum that thinks that Kurupt has fallen off harder than any of our favorite West Coast legends.
yes, he's fallen off (though u'd know he's definitely picked it up as of late if u took the time to listen to his recent shit)....but u didnt say "i dont wanna listen to kurupt because he fell off"...u said "why should i listen to kurupt's new shit when i can listen to his old shit?"........thats closing yourself off. what if he makes another classic and u ignored it because u rather listen to his old shit? that mindset will only set the west coast back, my dude.
this is a pretty whack way of thinkin for those tryna build on the current state of hip-hop and working towards a future for the culture. if everyone thought like u, then mufuckaz like kurupt, nas, rza, etc would stop making music, and all we'd get was gay faggots like tyga and lil wayne. is that really what u want? re-think ur thoughts and support real shit, such as this new kurupt banger....growth is important.
Again. Your talking about all these other artist like Rza and Nas. But I was talking specifically about Kurupt. Nas is still making great music, I listened to the Distant Relatives album he did with Damian Marley as much as I listened to his older albums. And I love Rza's new Man With The Iron Fists soundtrack. The difference is you think this new shit by Kurupt is a banger, and I don't. If I truly thought it was bangin' then I would bump it. But at the end of the day I'd rather see mutherfuckas supporting these new Kurupt tracks then LIl Wayne and Tyga so I feel you on that point.
fair point, i didnt know u were talking specifically about kurupt. from the way u said it, it insinuated that u simply wont listen to his new shit because his old shit is dope enough, not because he fell off or anything like that. but u dont like these new kurupt tracks foreal? u just said u liked some kanye songs in another thread, but u dont think these certified west coast cuts like "money" with RBX, "trajical" with Daz, Rage, RBX, or these 2 new cuts are dope? thats on u then.
if we think like this, we're not even giving ourselves a chance to evolve musically. xzibit just came out with a great album. he had better shit in the past, but it's his best album in over 10 years and slaps front to back. are u gunna reject the idea of bumping it because "at the speed of life" is better? what if u never stopped to listen to "the marshall mathers lp" all because u felt that u could still listen to ''the slim shady lp'' instead??.....i dont usually call u out on shit, but i highly disagree with that ideology. it's just dumb, and stunts the growth of real hip-hop music, which i'm completely against. dont u see that?
Again, I was talking about these Kurupt tracks specifically. I valued this new track "Listen" at .2 cents. And I valued "Reality" after 500 listens still higher at $2.00 But in 2012 I would rather listen to Xzibit's new album that just came out, then "Reality" off the Dogg Food album.
Get my point, I think you got me wrong. I was only talking about Kurupt's new shit.
yup...i got u wrong, fsure. thnx for clarifying, but i still think u should ALWAYS give west coast legends like kurupt the benefit of the doubt in an effort to build on the current state of west coast hip-hop...PeACe
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I've been as critical of Kurupt as anyone the last several years, but that #1 track is dope. He'll make a lot of his old fans happy if he keeps dropping shit with that level of quality.
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hope kurupt can keep comin wit some new shit....
#1 was cool, other track ok....
on a side note, damn just read about natina reed dying, RIP. crazy shit
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I thought the mixtape was supposed to drop yesterday, right?
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I thought the mixtape was supposed to drop yesterday, right?
Was delayed coz of Kurupts Baby Mama drama
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any info about the current release date?!
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any info about the current release date?!
Nov 23 (in the link)
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this is the best Kurupt has sounded since the 90's 8)
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any info about the current release date?!
Nov 23 (in the link)
thank u.
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Ha Ha!! Good News!!!
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I thought the mixtape was supposed to drop yesterday, right?
Was delayed coz of Kurupts Baby Mama drama
Crazy baby mama drama karma!
The irony of pushing back a project called "Money, Bitches, Power" where he'll be talking about ratchets, ho's and bitches because his baby mama died (remember the skit on Daz's "DPG 'Til The Day I Die" mixtape with her?) is pointless.
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Now that sounds like the ol school kurupt flow right there! he's back on it! thats what he needs to get back into cuz that new style shit sounds the same i like when he has that killler mc flow.
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Now that sounds like the ol school kurupt flow right there! he's back on it! thats what he needs to get back into cuz that new style shit sounds the same i like when he has that killler mc flow.
True that. The latest cuts I´ve heard r straight killaz.
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so why listen to new music at all?
Well, we aren't talking about new music in general, we are talking specifically about Kurupts new music. And I'm not the only person on this forum that thinks that Kurupt has fallen off harder than any of our favorite West Coast legends.
yes, he's fallen off (though u'd know he's definitely picked it up as of late if u took the time to listen to his recent shit)....but u didnt say "i dont wanna listen to kurupt because he fell off"...u said "why should i listen to kurupt's new shit when i can listen to his old shit?"........thats closing yourself off. what if he makes another classic and u ignored it because u rather listen to his old shit? that mindset will only set the west coast back, my dude.
this is a pretty whack way of thinkin for those tryna build on the current state of hip-hop and working towards a future for the culture. if everyone thought like u, then mufuckaz like kurupt, nas, rza, etc would stop making music, and all we'd get was gay faggots like tyga and lil wayne. is that really what u want? re-think ur thoughts and support real shit, such as this new kurupt banger....growth is important.
Again. Your talking about all these other artist like Rza and Nas. But I was talking specifically about Kurupt. Nas is still making great music, I listened to the Distant Relatives album he did with Damian Marley as much as I listened to his older albums. And I love Rza's new Man With The Iron Fists soundtrack. The difference is you think this new shit by Kurupt is a banger, and I don't. If I truly thought it was bangin' then I would bump it. But at the end of the day I'd rather see mutherfuckas supporting these new Kurupt tracks then LIl Wayne and Tyga so I feel you on that point.
fair point, i didnt know u were talking specifically about kurupt. from the way u said it, it insinuated that u simply wont listen to his new shit because his old shit is dope enough, not because he fell off or anything like that. but u dont like these new kurupt tracks foreal? u just said u liked some kanye songs in another thread, but u dont think these certified west coast cuts like "money" with RBX, "trajical" with Daz, Rage, RBX, or these 2 new cuts are dope? thats on u then.
if we think like this, we're not even giving ourselves a chance to evolve musically. xzibit just came out with a great album. he had better shit in the past, but it's his best album in over 10 years and slaps front to back. are u gunna reject the idea of bumping it because "at the speed of life" is better? what if u never stopped to listen to "the marshall mathers lp" all because u felt that u could still listen to ''the slim shady lp'' instead??.....i dont usually call u out on shit, but i highly disagree with that ideology. it's just dumb, and stunts the growth of real hip-hop music, which i'm completely against. dont u see that?
Again, I was talking about these Kurupt tracks specifically. I valued this new track "Listen" at .2 cents. And I valued "Reality" after 500 listens still higher at $2.00 But in 2012 I would rather listen to Xzibit's new album that just came out, then "Reality" off the Dogg Food album.
Get my point, I think you got me wrong. I was only talking about Kurupt's new shit.
yup...i got u wrong, fsure. thnx for clarifying, but i still think u should ALWAYS give west coast legends like kurupt the benefit of the doubt in an effort to build on the current state of west coast hip-hop...PeACe
word... and I said "#1" was dope, I just wasn't feelin "Listen" that much. But no doubt, you always got to support the West and DPG
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i dont think he ever lost his skill, he just stopped trying... u can tell hes trying again.
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i dont think he ever lost his skill, he just stopped trying... u can tell hes trying again.
That's one hell of a drought..
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Can't wait for his mixtape... Hopefully he'll keep it up.. Been sounding good since the kokane mixtape...
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I hope the mix tape has no tags.
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I hope the mix tape has no tags.
would be nice......
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any mp3's? 8)
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Both Tracks ARE Dope!! Im Diggin These!! 8) 8)
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#1 is dope, looking forward to this mixtape