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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: FLIXX on November 18, 2012, 11:16:33 AM
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Rick Rock and Sean-T.
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Westcoast producers that fell off? All of them.
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Da Riffs (Are They Still Around? They Did Some Good Stuf With Spider Loc)
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Rick Rock
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Westcoast producers that fell off? All of them.
Yeah it's like peoples minds stopped working like they used to.
People knock Dre saying he fell the fuck off (or never had it, stole credits etc) but damn, he knew how to motivate people and make them mesh ideas so brilliant things could happen.
Until rappers, producers and musicians lose their egos and work together as a creative unit..and bounce off, jam and critique each others shit when writing songs, hooks and not least verses (not just spitting the first thing that comes into their heads over a pre made beat) the classics and hits will never happen like they used to.
Creativity and intelligence is key, not cliche/contrived shit
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Rick Rock
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I think he fell off hard. Back in 02 dude was a monster and these days his shit is average at best.
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rick rock was at the top of his game in 02 in terms of exposition when he produced mainstream hit singles for the likes of Jay Z & Fabulous, but he was doing better shit music wise when he first came out as a study of Mike Mosley in the mid 90's.
I don't think Sean T has fallen off, dude managed to update his formula and keep his shit at least decent throughout the years, he was the shit in the 90's, he still produced bangers in the 00's and he still does his thing even if he ain't as active as he was in the mid 00's.
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Daz fell off the hardest when you look at his solo producing versus when he worked with others, Dre, Soopa, Mike Dean...
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Lynch fell off as a producer...he used to produce entire classics. nowadays, we're lucky to get one beat from him on his own project.
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yeah , nowadays maybe all of them fell off but in my opinion westcoast producers are the most interesting and original producers ... big hutch, quik, young tre , daz, battlecat , rick rock, fredwreck ..so many talents ...i think the south run the rap game since the early 2000's but the westcoast got the more complex and original sound
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Daz fell off the hardest when you look at his solo producing versus when he worked with others, Dre, Soopa, Mike Dean...
When exactly did Daz solo produce? He's as much of a collaborative producer as Dr. Dre is.
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dre and daz
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-big hutch aka cold 187 um
-sir jinx
-pharrell
-scott storch
-goldie loc
-soopafly
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Dj battlecat IMO aint heard tooo many good cuts from his in the past few years
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Westcoast producers that fell off? All of them.
Ski seems to be consistently fallin on though. But I don't know his entire catalogue.
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Johnny J... rest in peace... but his beats were wack after Pac died.
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Dj battlecat IMO aint heard tooo many good cuts from his in the past few years
that new cut on the short/e40 album slaps. battlecat is one of the most consistent producers in the game.
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The westcoast isn't on top anymore, so from that standpoint, you could argue they all fell off. But some of these guys, like Daz, Soopafly, Battlecat, DJ Quik, they've been making beats for 20+ years. At some point doesn't everyone 'fall off'. Eventually it's gotta start being acceptable. No one expects an 80 year old man to still be making dope beats do they? Dre's been making beats for 30 years and maybe in some people's opinion, in 2012 he's fallen off, but isn't that expected? The guy is like 50 years old, of course he's not going to be making as good of beat as he did when he was in his 20's or even 30's. Did Nolan Ryan fall off the last few years he played baseball because he couldn't throw pictches as fast as he used to? Has Joe Montana fallen off because he can't play football in the NFL anymore? No, these guys are looked at as legends and should be the same way with a lot of the westcoast producers. Can't keep making dope music forever. Many of these guys are on the tail end of their careers, so it's expected they aren't going to to turn out bangers on a weekly basis anymore. I don't see why that comes as a shock or insult to some people.
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Dj battlecat IMO aint heard tooo many good cuts from his in the past few years
that new cut on the short/e40 album slaps. battlecat is one of the most consistent producers in the game.
see that was one of the tracks that came to mind and i didnt like that song.
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Westcoast producers that fell off? All of them.
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Westcoast producers that fell off? All of them.
except battlecat.
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Dj battlecat IMO aint heard tooo many good cuts from his in the past few years
that new cut on the short/e40 album slaps. battlecat is one of the most consistent producers in the game.
see that was one of the tracks that came to mind and i didnt like that song.
yup same here, didn't like the song and the beat was kinda boring... a subpar g'd up kinda beat but ppl got worked up cause it sounded "like the good old days"
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^thats on u. cuz i thought it went hard and was one of the better beats on the album. it's a good production, period. might not be your taste, but if u listen to the instrumental alone, thats classic battlecat. mighta been a better cut with the eastsidaz rappin on it or what not, but that shit still knocks, especially in comparison to most other shit.
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^thats on u. cuz i thought it went hard and was one of the better beats on the album. it's a good production, period. might not be your taste, but if u listen to the instrumental alone, thats classic battlecat. mighta been a better cut with the eastsidaz rappin on it or what not, but that shit still knocks, especially in comparison to most other shit.
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i think 90% of Westcoast Producers fell off from yesteryear. I have more faith in the newer Producers/Beat Makers. I still like stuff from some of tha older cats like BC, Jinx, a Quik beat here, a Chill beat there but for the most part them old cats lost some heat in their flame. Dre still be havin beats sometimes but its not like we get to hear alotta em.
but these newer dudes are proving slowly but obviously that they're able to hold down Cali
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-big hutch aka cold 187 um
-sir jinx
-pharrell
-scott storch
-goldie loc
-soopafly
Its cool to mention Goldie loc as a Producer (+1 for that) .... but man really he did NoT fell off ... his productions are gettin better and better .... heres a few links to prove my point
http://soundcloud.com/slumperville/goldie-loc-strugglin-new-1-20
http://soundcloud.com/division1/goldie-loc-feat-blanko-high
http://soundcloud.com/slumperville/whats-your-size
http://soundcloud.com/slumperville/stucc-on-them-drugs
http://soundcloud.com/dcokah/st-want-leave-me-alone
D/L those and Bump them these are all 2012 songs :o 8)
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And oh yea .... Dj quik fell off imo :o
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Its cool to mention Goldie loc as a Producer (+1 for that) .... but man really he did NoT fell off ... his productions are gettin better and better .... heres a few links to prove my point
http://soundcloud.com/slumperville/goldie-loc-strugglin-new-1-20
http://soundcloud.com/division1/goldie-loc-feat-blanko-high
http://soundcloud.com/slumperville/whats-your-size
http://soundcloud.com/slumperville/stucc-on-them-drugs
http://soundcloud.com/dcokah/st-want-leave-me-alone
D/L those and Bump them these are all 2012 songs :o 8)
"Whats Your Size" is tight, but rest of em is at most average, his shit for Eastsidaz was dope as fuck, especially "Give it 2 'em Dogg ", but now he is much average + dubstep tracks
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Daz fell off the hardest when you look at his solo producing versus when he worked with others, Dre, Soopa, Mike Dean...
When exactly did Daz solo produce? He's as much of a collaborative producer as Dr. Dre is.
true, I considered that his work with Ivan Johnson was solo :laugh:
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^thats on u. cuz i thought it went hard and was one of the better beats on the album. it's a good production, period. might not be your taste, but if u listen to the instrumental alone, thats classic battlecat. mighta been a better cut with the eastsidaz rappin on it or what not, but that shit still knocks, especially in comparison to most other shit.
it's my taste but first of all it's kinda played out and second of all it's not very efficient, especially coming from battlecat. it's a caricature of his signature sound. that being said it's still decent. but to me it's uninspired and as such, doesn't have much replay value, if any. it sounds kinda stale, as if Battlecat was bored and out of ideas and decided to recreate a vibe from one of his best tracks. it could have worked, but it doesn't for me. it just doesn't have the chemistry and the soul. it's a shame because Battlecat & E-40 usually drop tight shit together. it has nothing to do with the people rapping on it.
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Its cool to mention Goldie loc as a Producer (+1 for that) .... but man really he did NoT fell off ... his productions are gettin better and better .... heres a few links to prove my point
http://soundcloud.com/slumperville/goldie-loc-strugglin-new-1-20
http://soundcloud.com/division1/goldie-loc-feat-blanko-high
http://soundcloud.com/slumperville/whats-your-size
http://soundcloud.com/slumperville/stucc-on-them-drugs
http://soundcloud.com/dcokah/st-want-leave-me-alone
D/L those and Bump them these are all 2012 songs :o 8)
"Whats Your Size" is tight, but rest of em is at most average, his shit for Eastsidaz was dope as fuck, especially "Give it 2 'em Dogg ", but now he is much average + dubstep tracks
To each his own i guess ... i thought Strugglin was a really dope cut plus several songs he did 4 Dcokah were bangin ... BTw he did not produced those Dubstep tracks and he still murder every beats hes features on (Best Kept secret /soopafly 4 exemple)
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goldie loc was a dope underrated producer, thanks for the links. the shit he produced on the first eastsidaz album (dogghouse & give it 2 em dogg) as well as his album that leaked that was supposed to drop on dpg recordz was surprisingly good. i loved especially money, work 4 me & I'm a lowrider.
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^thats on u. cuz i thought it went hard and was one of the better beats on the album. it's a good production, period. might not be your taste, but if u listen to the instrumental alone, thats classic battlecat. mighta been a better cut with the eastsidaz rappin on it or what not, but that shit still knocks, especially in comparison to most other shit.
it's my taste but first of all it's kinda played out and second of all it's not very efficient, especially coming from battlecat. it's a caricature of his signature sound. that being said it's still decent. but to me it's uninspired and as such, doesn't have much replay value, if any. it sounds kinda stale, as if Battlecat was bored and out of ideas and decided to recreate a vibe from one of his best tracks. it could have worked, but it doesn't for me. it just doesn't have the chemistry and the soul. it's a shame because Battlecat & E-40 usually drop tight shit together. it has nothing to do with the people rapping on it.
to me, it doesnt sound like a caricature of battlecats signature sound...it simply sounds like his signature sound, nothing more, nothing less. like he was in his best form when he made the beat. i agree, it does sound very similar to shit he was making in 2001-2003, but thats probably the point, the whole album had a throwback feel. this is by far his best style and my preference when bumpin battlecat beats. i think the bells might be a lil too similar to the bells in "G'd Up", which might be throwin u off a bit. other than that, i dont see how the beat doesnt knock.
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Warren G :'(
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-big hutch aka cold 187 um
-sir jinx
-pharrell
-scott storch
-goldie loc
-soopafly
Man..Soopafly produced his entire album ..Best Kept Secret.. one of best albuns last year...Warren G :'(
fell off ? regulator reached the top 3 wit Young Jezzy song.. and the song is goooooooooood as helllAnd oh yea .... Dj quik fell off imo :o
this is a joke right ?
Dj battlecat IMO aint heard tooo many good cuts from his in the past few years
oh man .. listen de e40/too short joint.. glocc sinatra song leaked here in ducnn.. snoop's secrets,The Way Life Used to Be, Wonder What I dO.. consistent songs
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I don't think it's so much that the producers have fallen off as much as the fact that there isn't as much of a demand for their classic brand of music so you see a whole lot less of them or they changed their style to stay current. I'm sure a lot of them can still bring that heat but it's just not their moment anymore.
As far as Battlecat and that E-40/$hort track goes, it's a good song. The problem is that Cat set the bar so high for himself with his old classics like Dollaz, Drank & Dank, We Can Freak It, G'd Up, Still More Bounce, Nah Nah, Cali Iz Active, etc. that the E-40/$hort song falls short eventhough it is a good song; I guess we just got spoiled by all the classics he's had.
One dude that I miss hearing is Bosko, I love the stuff he did with E-40 back around the Charlie Hustle days. Anyone got any info on him? Quik is still dope, he proved it on Book of David. He had a few signature style tracks on there and Nobody for me was an instant classic (no need to listen to it 10 time so it can grow on you, the shit was classic right off the bat). Quik's problem is that he's starting to experiment a little too much and the results make for an uneven album (like Blaqkout, first half tight, second half :tosser:). I love Quik but he needs to stay consistent.
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I agree with the quik part .... exactly my feelin :)
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I don't think it's so much that the producers have fallen off as much as the fact that there isn't as much of a demand for their classic brand of music so you see a whole lot less of them or they changed their style to stay current. I'm sure a lot of them can still bring that heat but it's just not their moment anymore.
As far as Battlecat and that E-40/$hort track goes, it's a good song. The problem is that Cat set the bar so high for himself with his old classics like Dollaz, Drank & Dank, We Can Freak It, G'd Up, Still More Bounce, Nah Nah, Cali Iz Active, etc. that the E-40/$hort song falls short eventhough it is a good song; I guess we just got spoiled by all the classics he's had.
One dude that I miss hearing is Bosko, I love the stuff he did with E-40 back around the Charlie Hustle days. Anyone got any info on him? Quik is still dope, he proved it on Book of David. He had a few signature style tracks on there and Nobody for me was an instant classic (no need to listen to it 10 time so it can grow on you, the shit was classic right off the bat). Quik's problem is that he's starting to experiment a little too much and the results make for an uneven album (like Blaqkout, first half tight, second half :tosser:). I love Quik but he needs to stay consistent.
Actually I thought Blaqkout was a pretty much perfect album beat wise, Quik even had some 'classic' verses on there IMO. kurupt was good but in the end brought the album down a notch from its protential. I think that's what makes it a love/hate album.
I've read Quik was pissed with the reception and sales of the album tho, I'm thinking maybe that's why the production and mood of Quik on BOD took another direction
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I don't think it's so much that the producers have fallen off as much as the fact that there isn't as much of a demand for their classic brand of music so you see a whole lot less of them or they changed their style to stay current. I'm sure a lot of them can still bring that heat but it's just not their moment anymore.
As far as Battlecat and that E-40/$hort track goes, it's a good song. The problem is that Cat set the bar so high for himself with his old classics like Dollaz, Drank & Dank, We Can Freak It, G'd Up, Still More Bounce, Nah Nah, Cali Iz Active, etc. that the E-40/$hort song falls short eventhough it is a good song; I guess we just got spoiled by all the classics he's had.
One dude that I miss hearing is Bosko, I love the stuff he did with E-40 back around the Charlie Hustle days. Anyone got any info on him? Quik is still dope, he proved it on Book of David. He had a few signature style tracks on there and Nobody for me was an instant classic (no need to listen to it 10 time so it can grow on you, the shit was classic right off the bat). Quik's problem is that he's starting to experiment a little too much and the results make for an uneven album (like Blaqkout, first half tight, second half :tosser:). I love Quik but he needs to stay consistent.
Actually I thought Blaqkout was a pretty much perfect album beat wise, Quik even had some 'classic' verses on there IMO. kurupt was good but in the end brought the album down a notch from its protential. I think that's what makes it a love/hate album.
I've read Quik was pissed with the reception and sales of the album tho, I'm thinking maybe that's why the production and mood of Quik on BOD took another direction
"Blaqkout" is hella slept on...it's an 8/10...coulda been a 9/10 without the experimental filler tracks ("jupiters critic", "exodus").
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Man..Soopafly produced his entire album ..Best Kept Secret.. one of best albuns last year...
A lot poor productions on Best Kept Secret, which even cant rival with his shit from Dat Woopty Woop, Bangin West Coast and productions as dope ghost producer
As far as Battlecat and that E-40/$hort track goes, it's a good song. The problem is that Cat set the bar so high for himself with his old classics like Dollaz, Drank & Dank, We Can Freak It, G'd Up, Still More Bounce, Nah Nah, Cali Iz Active, etc. that the E-40/$hort song falls short eventhough it is a good song; I guess we just got spoiled by all the classics he's had.
so whats wack beats from Battlecat what we can hear in recent years, rappers just dont take his dope beats cause who listens to g-funk now? a handful of people, he still got mad skills , "The Way Life Used To Be" is that what im still bumpin, and this is probably not change.
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I don't think it's so much that the producers have fallen off as much as the fact that there isn't as much of a demand for their classic brand of music so you see a whole lot less of them or they changed their style to stay current. I'm sure a lot of them can still bring that heat but it's just not their moment anymore.
As far as Battlecat and that E-40/$hort track goes, it's a good song. The problem is that Cat set the bar so high for himself with his old classics like Dollaz, Drank & Dank, We Can Freak It, G'd Up, Still More Bounce, Nah Nah, Cali Iz Active, etc. that the E-40/$hort song falls short eventhough it is a good song; I guess we just got spoiled by all the classics he's had.
One dude that I miss hearing is Bosko, I love the stuff he did with E-40 back around the Charlie Hustle days. Anyone got any info on him? Quik is still dope, he proved it on Book of David. He had a few signature style tracks on there and Nobody for me was an instant classic (no need to listen to it 10 time so it can grow on you, the shit was classic right off the bat). Quik's problem is that he's starting to experiment a little too much and the results make for an uneven album (like Blaqkout, first half tight, second half :tosser:). I love Quik but he needs to stay consistent.
Actually I thought Blaqkout was a pretty much perfect album beat wise, Quik even had some 'classic' verses on there IMO. kurupt was good but in the end brought the album down a notch from its protential. I think that's what makes it a love/hate album.
I've read Quik was pissed with the reception and sales of the album tho, I'm thinking maybe that's why the production and mood of Quik on BOD took another direction
"Blaqkout" is hella slept on...it's an 8/10...coulda been a 9/10 without the experimental filler tracks ("jupiters critic", "exodus").
I agree its slept on but it still disappoints on lyrics. If u ain't listening for that its a summertime smash no doubt
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I don't think it's so much that the producers have fallen off as much as the fact that there isn't as much of a demand for their classic brand of music so you see a whole lot less of them or they changed their style to stay current. I'm sure a lot of them can still bring that heat but it's just not their moment anymore.
As far as Battlecat and that E-40/$hort track goes, it's a good song. The problem is that Cat set the bar so high for himself with his old classics like Dollaz, Drank & Dank, We Can Freak It, G'd Up, Still More Bounce, Nah Nah, Cali Iz Active, etc. that the E-40/$hort song falls short eventhough it is a good song; I guess we just got spoiled by all the classics he's had.
One dude that I miss hearing is Bosko, I love the stuff he did with E-40 back around the Charlie Hustle days. Anyone got any info on him? Quik is still dope, he proved it on Book of David. He had a few signature style tracks on there and Nobody for me was an instant classic (no need to listen to it 10 time so it can grow on you, the shit was classic right off the bat). Quik's problem is that he's starting to experiment a little too much and the results make for an uneven album (like Blaqkout, first half tight, second half :tosser:). I love Quik but he needs to stay consistent.
Actually I thought Blaqkout was a pretty much perfect album beat wise, Quik even had some 'classic' verses on there IMO. kurupt was good but in the end brought the album down a notch from its protential. I think that's what makes it a love/hate album.
I've read Quik was pissed with the reception and sales of the album tho, I'm thinking maybe that's why the production and mood of Quik on BOD took another direction
"Blaqkout" is hella slept on...it's an 8/10...coulda been a 9/10 without the experimental filler tracks ("jupiters critic", "exodus").
I agree its slept on but it still disappoints on lyrics. If u ain't listening for that its a summertime smash no doubt
pretty sure the album focuses a lot more on production than lyricism. it's feel good cruisin' music, not really meant to be judged on lyricism.
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"Blaqkout" is hella slept on...it's an 8/10...coulda been a 9/10 without the experimental filler tracks ("jupiters critic", "exodus").
It's definitely slept on, I like "Blaqkout", the good shit is great, what I didn't like is that it was on the right track, it could have been right up there with "Rhythm-Al-Ism" or "Balance & Options" if it wasn't for the missteps. "Jupiters Critic", "Exodus", "Whatcha Wan Do" (on there twice...totally unnecessary) and "9X Outta 10" (a bootleg of Clipse's "Grindin") killed the vibe that the other tracks had built up.
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"Blaqkout" is hella slept on...it's an 8/10...coulda been a 9/10 without the experimental filler tracks ("jupiters critic", "exodus").
It's definitely slept on, I like "Blaqkout", the good shit is great, what I didn't like is that it was on the right track, it could have been right up there with "Rhythm-Al-Ism" or "Balance & Options" if it wasn't for the missteps. "Jupiters Critic", "Exodus", "Whatcha Wan Do" (on there twice...totally unnecessary) and "9X Outta 10" (a bootleg of Clipse's "Grindin") killed the vibe that the other tracks had built up.
"watcha wan do" was good with the flow of the album, but ur right, shoulda only been on there once.. i also thought "9x outta 10" was dope. "exodus" and "jupiters critic" shoulda never made the final cut, though. those are some weird ass tracks for an album of such magnitude
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Another producer who I aint hear nothing from in a minute is DJ Pooh? I always liked his style.
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I don't think it's so much that the producers have fallen off as much as the fact that there isn't as much of a demand for their classic brand of music so you see a whole lot less of them or they changed their style to stay current. I'm sure a lot of them can still bring that heat but it's just not their moment anymore.
As far as Battlecat and that E-40/$hort track goes, it's a good song. The problem is that Cat set the bar so high for himself with his old classics like Dollaz, Drank & Dank, We Can Freak It, G'd Up, Still More Bounce, Nah Nah, Cali Iz Active, etc. that the E-40/$hort song falls short eventhough it is a good song; I guess we just got spoiled by all the classics he's had.
One dude that I miss hearing is Bosko, I love the stuff he did with E-40 back around the Charlie Hustle days. Anyone got any info on him? Quik is still dope, he proved it on Book of David. He had a few signature style tracks on there and Nobody for me was an instant classic (no need to listen to it 10 time so it can grow on you, the shit was classic right off the bat). Quik's problem is that he's starting to experiment a little too much and the results make for an uneven album (like Blaqkout, first half tight, second half :tosser:). I love Quik but he needs to stay consistent.
Actually I thought Blaqkout was a pretty much perfect album beat wise, Quik even had some 'classic' verses on there IMO. kurupt was good but in the end brought the album down a notch from its protential. I think that's what makes it a love/hate album.
I've read Quik was pissed with the reception and sales of the album tho, I'm thinking maybe that's why the production and mood of Quik on BOD took another direction
"Blaqkout" is hella slept on...it's an 8/10...coulda been a 9/10 without the experimental filler tracks ("jupiters critic", "exodus").
I agree its slept on but it still disappoints on lyrics. If u ain't listening for that its a summertime smash no doubt
pretty sure the album focuses a lot more on production than lyricism.
Well yeah, more the overall vibe and Kurupt n Quik just being themselves
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Dem Jointz fell off hard