West Coast Connection Forum
DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: King Of The Greater Los Angeles Area on February 05, 2013, 10:17:05 AM
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People hating on the south cause they sound like the west need to realize the south has always loved the west coast and openly admitted being influenced by the West. Master P and No Limit always used to give it up to the West. The whole bay was pretty much down with P. Even Cash Money, Birdman and Weezy had Tha Dogg Pound on their album. But just overall ive never seen any south artists disrespect the West
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Almost every Screw tape made has a gang of west coast songs on it, Screw said C-Bo was his favorite artist.
Too $hort lived in ATL and plenty of bay area rappers have hosted southern artists on their albums so I know the love goes both ways, its not just the South appreciating the west.
http://www.youtube.com/v/9SRruTGw-d0
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People hating on the south cause they sound like the west need to realize the south has always loved the west coast and openly admitted being influenced by the West. Master P and No Limit always used to give it up to the West. The whole bay was pretty much down with P. Even Cash Money, Birdman and Weezy had Tha Dogg Pound on their album. But just overall ive never seen any south artists disrespect the West
that's cause P was doing westcoast music and started in the bay before relocating to NOLA in 96-97.
that Cash Money is a bad example, there isn't too much Dogg Pound / Cash Money music out there except for the song on Like father Like Son and that song on the Carter II that has Kurupt on the hook. Mack 10 was signed on Cash Money for a while, same for Glasses Malone. Tyga is currently signed. Cash Money did several songs with E-40 (Baller Blockin, Look at Me, Flamboastin, that song with Birdman on Money & Muscles) and they used to appear in each other videos every now and then.
i'd agree with you if we were talking about the 90's, when westcoast music was influencing the whole genre, when Sick Wid It dropped Southwest Riders and South Circle were sporting Eazy E hats in their videos. when Too $hort was pushing platinum thanks to Mean Green. nowadays, there's no real southwest connection as there used to be before, the south has its own sound and the west isn't as relevant as it used to be. the average youngsters and people in their 20's don't really know the westcoast scene, i experienced it firsthand, whereas in the 90's, places like H-Town, Baton Rouge, NOLA etc. were bumping westcoast music heavily. if people like Totally Insane, JT The Bigga Figga, C-Bo managed to sell 100k independently, that was cause they had distribution and following in the South as well.
by the way the South doesn't sound like the West, there are places like Texas, Memphis, or Louisiana where they used to make G-Funk records a lot, but that era is long gone.
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Jeezy been rocking with the West in the last year or so as well
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yeah Jeezy's a huge westcoast fan, he got everybody tripping when he mentioned B-Legit in his Top 5 lmao.
come to think of it, some of the biggest southern rappers of the 00's are influenced by westcoast artists : T.I., Rick Ross, Jeezy, 2 Chainz...
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if I recall correctly Young Buck said Brotha Lynch was one of his favorite rappers too
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dont tell me your one of those non-blacks who use the word "Nigga" online freely like youre actually about that life?
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Yall some stupid muthafuckas on here mayne...the west is made up of people from the south ..long beach is nothing but missisippi tennessee, alabama and other southern regions whom people like snoop,cold 187,doc,ect parents are from the south....do your research euros.
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lmao @ euros, op's name is King of San Fernando Valley ffs, and yet he'is a euro, some members are killing me, each time y'all catch feelings about something, you blame it on the alleged european identity of the poster when most of the time you're talking about peeps from the states. smdh.
you're right though, weedman about what you said. Nate is from Clarksdale, MS, Snoop's family is from MS as well and cousins with Brandy & Ray J lol, Daz grew up in Oklahoma. Spice 1 was born in Texas, E-40 & Mac Mall's extended family is from the South. Domino is from St Louis (Midwest, but still country), etc.
if I recall correctly Young Buck said Brotha Lynch was one of his favorite rappers too
yeah Young Buck has to be the most striking example of Southern rappers born in the late 70's that are westcoast fans. I mean dude signed C-Bo & the Outlawz on his label, fucked heavily with JT The Bigga Figga, Daz, B-Legit, etc.
you can tell Trae loves the west too, dude took beats from Explosive Mode 2 for his Life goes on album (Smile), collaborates regularly with westcoast rappers (C-Bo, Yukmouth, Messy Marv, Philthy Rich, etc.)
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dont tell me your one of those non-blacks who use the word "Nigga" online freely like youre actually about that life?
i don't only use the word online, i'll say it in person too if its appropriate
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bouli77 i see what you're saying and i kinda agree but what i mean is that even if the south's sound is expanding these days its still rooted in the west
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dont tell me your one of those non-blacks who use the word "Nigga" online freely like youre actually about that life?
i don't only use the word online, i'll say it in person too if its appropriate
no u wouldn't. u would reason with yourself and take a more humbler approach than that
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Yall some stupid muthafuckas on here mayne...the west is made up of people from the south ..long beach is nothing but missisippi tennessee, alabama and other southern regions whom people like snoop,cold 187,doc,ect parents are from the south....do your research euros.
preach.
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dont tell me your one of those non-blacks who use the word "Nigga" online freely like youre actually about that life?
it's okay, he's a sand nigga
real spit, tho, everyone was influenced by the west at one point or another....why yall think biggie sound like king t?
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lmao @ euros, op's name is King of San Fernando Valley ffs, and yet he'is a euro, some members are killing me, each time y'all catch feelings about something, you blame it on the alleged european identity of the poster when most of the time you're talking about peeps from the states. smdh.
you're right though, weedman about what you said. Nate is from Clarksdale, MS, Snoop's family is from MS as well and cousins with Brandy & Ray J lol, Daz grew up in Oklahoma. Spice 1 was born in Texas, E-40 & Mac Mall's extended family is from the South. Domino is from St Louis (Midwest, but still country), etc.
if I recall correctly Young Buck said Brotha Lynch was one of his favorite rappers too
yeah Young Buck has to be the most striking example of Southern rappers born in the late 70's that are westcoast fans. I mean dude signed C-Bo & the Outlawz on his label, fucked heavily with JT The Bigga Figga, Daz, B-Legit, etc.
you can tell Trae loves the west too, dude took beats from Explosive Mode 2 for his Life goes on album (Smile), collaborates regularly with westcoast rappers (C-Bo, Yukmouth, Messy Marv, Philthy Rich, etc.)
the west coast was originally unflunced by east coast then like 10 years later west coast at last got their own sound unless you count the bay sound who came before g-funk . the west coast bay sound was an influnce on the south first not g-funk.. the south originally was influnced by the east coast & the west coast bay sound .
WEEdman & bouli77 ,it does not matter where there parents are from . to count as west coast or count as down south in hip hop, you have to come out of south or the west coast with music. D.o.c.'s music came out in south first not the west coast . so D.o.c. is down south not west coast. if it matter where your parents are from in hip hop then 2pac is east coast & kendrick lamar is not west coast but midwest .
I am also been question who came up with singin g-funk style that Domino or snoop dogg are known for. i think Domino & st louis invented that style first .
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Yeah the Bay sound had a bigger influence on the South than L.A.. If you read my post, I mention several Bay Area artists : Totally Insane, Too $hort, E-40, JT The Bigga Figga, etc. However, G-Funk had obviously an influence on the South as well. When you're the biggest thing in HIp Hop, you influence one way or another the rest of the genre, like East coast boom bap or New orleans bounce influenced other artists as well. plus the Bay sound isn't that far from G-Funk, especially the Oakland scene, which was the most commercially successful Bay scene.
You're right about the Eastcoast but you stated the obvious right here. I mean, NY is where it all started, so of course rap fans from everywhere were influenced by the Rakim's, the Melle Mel's, Kool Moe Dee's, LL Cool J's and them.
but it's interesting to note that a lot of trends in rap started in the West and the Bay and were blown up by other regions, theWest (Bay & SoCal) and the South (some local scenes) had somewhat close ties, but the Bay never really crossed over except for a few acts (Hammer, E-40, Too $hort, Luniz, Baby Bash and that's pretty much it) so their "game" really came to the forefront when the South took over. Some southern artists carried on the Bay's legacy in terms of slang and style, and enjoyed commercial success that the bay never really had.
And if you look at the most successful "newer" artists of the South in the 00's : Rick Ross, Young Jeezy, Young Buck, T.I., Ludacris. Except for Ludacris, all have paid homage to the West and cited them as among their biggest influence. Rick Ross & Young Jeezy enjoyed tremendous commercial success, their type of "goon" rap sound like what B-Legit has been doing for a while, yet B-Legit never even went gold, and I don't think that B-Legit is less talented than both of them.
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you also have to realize that the bay was completely influenced by dr dre and the g funk sound of SO CAL
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not really, the Bay developed their sound early on, influenced by electro-funk records, listen to Too $hort's songs on 75 Girls (mid 80's), this is the basis of Mobb Music
http://www.youtube.com/v/T3TCGw4qKU4
http://www.youtube.com/v/6-efAjnMOFs
http://www.youtube.com/v/14vaK8MjAJc
http://www.youtube.com/v/--5cIS_O8eU
http://www.youtube.com/v/PDcs0ejkvB4
http://www.youtube.com/v/a-I8Juhaj5A
http://www.youtube.com/v/WZoOHAUE4fY
in all these songs you can clearly identify the elements that would later characterize Mobb Music, and most of them were recorded before Dr. Dre was even relevant.
heavy basslines, mid-tempo beats. this has nothing to do with Dr Dre
the pioneers of the Bay sound are Khayree, K-Lou, Studio Ton, Sam Bostic, Shorty B.... all of them are accomplished musicians who come from the Funk era.
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not really, the Bay developed their sound early on, influenced by electro-funk records, listen to Too $hort's songs on 75 Girls (mid 80's), this is the basis of Mobb Music
http://www.youtube.com/v/T3TCGw4qKU4
http://www.youtube.com/v/6-efAjnMOFs
http://www.youtube.com/v/14vaK8MjAJc
http://www.youtube.com/v/--5cIS_O8eU
http://www.youtube.com/v/PDcs0ejkvB4
http://www.youtube.com/v/a-I8Juhaj5A
http://www.youtube.com/v/WZoOHAUE4fY
in all these songs you can clearly identify the elements that would later characterize Mobb Music, and most of them were recorded before Dr. Dre was even relevant.
heavy basslines, mid-tempo beats. this has nothing to do with Dr Dre
the pioneers of the Bay sound are Khayree, K-Lou, Studio Ton, Sam Bostic, Shorty B.... all of them are accomplished musicians who come from the Funk era.
yea, but the bay did start incorporating g-funk into the music after dre and atl did it. not to say that they didn't use funk samples before that, but it wasn't exactly g-funk....if u take a close listen to the mob music of the mid 90's, it's basically just a harder version of g-funk.
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^niks right
gfunk was definetly intertwined in the bay music of the 90s, no doubt
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http://www.youtube.com/v/T3TCGw4qKU4
http://www.youtube.com/v/6-efAjnMOFs
http://www.youtube.com/v/14vaK8MjAJc
http://www.youtube.com/v/--5cIS_O8eU
http://www.youtube.com/v/PDcs0ejkvB4
http://www.youtube.com/v/a-I8Juhaj5A
http://www.youtube.com/v/WZoOHAUE4fY
These are some classics everybody, study up. wow #tybg
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I BELIEVE alot of it has also to do with the east not welcoming any outsiders in. I mean def jam wanted to control any and all music that claimed to be east coast. Wonder why gay z was titled as the president, or why his first act as so called prez was to get G.O.A.T.N.A.S signed......
Look at the BIG picture, name one artist gay z still fucks with b4 kanye went mainstream..... ill wait...
Thats just an example of how the east coast uses and abuses artist, now imagine if u wanted to do a song with someone out the west...or south, the only ones who said fuck the east coast rules was the mutherfuckin Terror Squad. Then came 50, now can you see why gay z really dislike 50 ? LoL im getting off track. But the truth is in the pudding. So in a nutshell the west and south had to combine, not to mention the black panter movement, when people where extrodited to cali and out of cali.
Good thread ill be back to prop them ones whom deserve it. 8)