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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: King Of The Greater Los Angeles Area on March 04, 2013, 10:41:47 PM
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which one?
im going with UTEOT
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until the end of time, but better dayz had dope cuts, as well. r u still down > both of em
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Damn good to see Doggy making hip-hop posts again... I thought you were on some other shit, anyway...
Definitely, "Until The End Of Time" is better. Because it came out before "Better Dayz". So naturally since Pac can no longer make new music, each album will have a smaller supply of dope tracks to choose from. Just simple logic. Although it doesn't apply in regards to "R U Still Down". Because for that album they were only allowed to pull from material that was recorded pre-Death Row. Although I will have to agree with Sccit and say "R U Still Down" is the best of the three, but "Until The End Of Time" is very close.
Not to say that Better Dayz didn't have it's moments. "Never Call You Bitch Again" is a heartfelt song, and Pac is rapping like a regular dude, not a superstar. Same with the title track "Better Dayz" (he has a line in there that says "workin and night school"), it's a really down to Earth joint and those are unique tracks in Pacs catalog. Also, "They Don't Give Fuck About Us" is a favorite of a lot of people, "My Block" is a great song although I've loved the original since I heard it in 96' on the Show soundtrack. The Nas and Pac song is great but I like the version that made Nas' album better.
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Until The End Of Time, for sure.
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Until The End Of Time, for sure.
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Until The End Of Time of course
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Never B Peace might be my favorite off BD
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UTEOT despite the fact half of it was raped
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Until The End Of Time, for sure.
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UTEOT of course, everything after that is horrible, i mean UTEOT was remixed too but it was still a very good release compared to the bullshit that came after that was just disgusting besdies very few tracks that were left OG.
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UTEOT of course, everything after that is horrible, i mean UTEOT was remixed too but it was still a very good release compared to the bullshit that came after that was just disgusting besdies very few tracks that were left OG.
better dayz had a few bangers on it
street fame from better dayz is one of the best remixes Amaru ever did....same with Military Minds 8)
and they left Late Night and Who Do U Believe In in original form
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UTEOT of course, everything after that is horrible, i mean UTEOT was remixed too but it was still a very good release compared to the bullshit that came after that was just disgusting besdies very few tracks that were left OG.
better dayz had a few bangers on it
street fame from better dayz is one of the best remixes Amaru ever did....same with Military Minds 8)
i will check em out then ;)
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mine album was Me against the world (95) i remember playing that tape player in my car
heres the tracklist homez
intro many
if i die 2 nite
me against the world
so many tears
temptations
young niggaz
heavy in the game
lord knows
dear mama
it aint easy
can you get away
old skool
fuck the world
death around the corner
outlaw
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idk about yall but when a new pac album releases i enjoy it. cept for the the loyal to the game that was complete trash like seriously when eminem was doing all of that shit he was on drugs the whole fuckin time. how could he even entertain the fact of producing songs for unreleased 2pac tracks. that was the ONLY posthumous 2pac release i really disliked.
R U still down, UTEOT, Still I RISE,Better Dayz, And Pacs life IMHO were good albums. obviously it had filler in it of course which is one of the reasons pac didn't use alot of the songs so please people really need to understand it wasnt finished material he just layed vocals. im sure if he had his own input it woulda been great.
but Still i rise was the best of all IMO. even if it was almost a outlawz album lol
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mine album was Me against the world (95) i remember playing that tape player in my car
heres the tracklist homez
intro many
if i die 2 nite
me against the world
so many tears
temptations
young niggaz
heavy in the game
lord knows
dear mama
it aint easy
can you get away
old skool
fuck the world
death around the corner
outlaw
u posted a tracklist to an album we all know about. ??? ummm whats your point brah?
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just my 2 cents
peep the track roll wid it
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talking about 2 pac you dickrider
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I would say production wise Better Dayz. Disc 2 alone had some great production. Johnny J and Big Hutch did their thing on both releases. UTEOT has better overall tracks to me though from just a lyrical standpoint
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pretty sure those two albums influenced it
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r u still down in my opinion was better than strictly 4 my niggaz 8)
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I dont know really, UTEOT was a good album but there was a hell of a lot of sh*t on it,
Disc 2 of BD was good but Disc 1 was terrible apart from "Late Nite" and maybe one or two others.
I have to agree that R U Still Down & Still I Rise were the best.
Im not holding much hope in the new Pac album that has been promised being very good either, i wont be suprised if we see
guest spots from the likes of Rihanna and those kind of people...if their is i doubt i would even buy it
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Until The End Of Time, for sure.
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better question, pac's life vs loyal 2 the game
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better question, pac's life vs loyal 2 the game
well at least Pac's Life had one original on it (soon as i get home) plus it had Hussein Fatal on it too
so Pac's Life my default....
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and they left Late Night and Who Do U Believe In in original form
No doubt those are two of the better 2pac posthumous tracks. The only problem was those two tracks had been on loads of bootleg albums from as far back as 98' I had been bumping those two tracks on the regular. So by the time they came out on Better Days they were old and I already had them on other cd's. I'm happy they were left in their original form because they were great the way the were, but at the same time when Until The End of Time came out it was like all new Pac music I'd mostly never heard before.
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idk about yall but when a new pac album releases i enjoy it. cept for the the loyal to the game that was complete trash like seriously when eminem was doing all of that shit he was on drugs the whole fuckin time. how could he even entertain the fact of producing songs for unreleased 2pac tracks. that was the ONLY posthumous 2pac release i really disliked.
R U still down, UTEOT, Still I RISE,Better Dayz, And Pacs life IMHO were good albums. obviously it had filler in it of course which is one of the reasons pac didn't use alot of the songs so please people really need to understand it wasnt finished material he just layed vocals. im sure if he had his own input it woulda been great.
but Still i rise was the best of all IMO. even if it was almost a outlawz album lol
yeah, those are all good points my fellow KC homie made.
The Outlawz album may very well have been the best of all. It sound the most like an Outlawz album that Pac would of done while still alive. I mean, it's kind of like an upgrade of the Thug Life posse album Pac did earlier in his career.
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idk about yall but when a new pac album releases i enjoy it. cept for the the loyal to the game that was complete trash like seriously when eminem was doing all of that shit he was on drugs the whole fuckin time. how could he even entertain the fact of producing songs for unreleased 2pac tracks. that was the ONLY posthumous 2pac release i really disliked.
R U still down, UTEOT, Still I RISE,Better Dayz, And Pacs life IMHO were good albums. obviously it had filler in it of course which is one of the reasons pac didn't use alot of the songs so please people really need to understand it wasnt finished material he just layed vocals. im sure if he had his own input it woulda been great.
but Still i rise was the best of all IMO. even if it was almost a outlawz album lol
yeah, those are all good points my fellow KC homie made.
The Outlawz album may very well have been the best of all. It sound the most like an Outlawz album that Pac would of done while still alive. I mean, it's kind of like an upgrade of the Thug Life posse album Pac did earlier in his career.
Upgrade? Im gonna have to disagree with you there. I thought Thug Life was classic or near classic with tracks like "Pour Out a Little Liquor", "How Long Will They Mourn Me", "St8 Ballin" just to name a few. Nothing on Still I Rise touches those tracks alone.
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Still I Rise to me was prototype for remix albums as far as 2pac was concerned. Granted R U Still Down I believe was released before that, those were alot of unheard tracks and it had a more old school feel and vibe to it. I remember buying that album and had heard a good portion of the OG tracks before hand and was under the impression they would not change and would just be in CDQ. The first reaction as many Im sure had was shock and anger (especially Hell 4 A Hustler, sounded like it was made underwater) for the new beats and lyrics but like KC said over time I love that album. That almost became the running joke for those albums, let's see how many OG tracks are released untouched.
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idk about yall but when a new pac album releases i enjoy it. cept for the the loyal to the game that was complete trash like seriously when eminem was doing all of that shit he was on drugs the whole fuckin time. how could he even entertain the fact of producing songs for unreleased 2pac tracks. that was the ONLY posthumous 2pac release i really disliked.
R U still down, UTEOT, Still I RISE,Better Dayz, And Pacs life IMHO were good albums. obviously it had filler in it of course which is one of the reasons pac didn't use alot of the songs so please people really need to understand it wasnt finished material he just layed vocals. im sure if he had his own input it woulda been great.
but Still i rise was the best of all IMO. even if it was almost a outlawz album lol
yeah, those are all good points my fellow KC homie made.
The Outlawz album may very well have been the best of all. It sound the most like an Outlawz album that Pac would of done while still alive. I mean, it's kind of like an upgrade of the Thug Life posse album Pac did earlier in his career.
that first thug life album was a classic. there was another thug life album too maybe your talking about that one cuz the first one by far imo is some of his best work. angry pac at his best.
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idk about yall but when a new pac album releases i enjoy it. cept for the the loyal to the game that was complete trash like seriously when eminem was doing all of that shit he was on drugs the whole fuckin time. how could he even entertain the fact of producing songs for unreleased 2pac tracks. that was the ONLY posthumous 2pac release i really disliked.
R U still down, UTEOT, Still I RISE,Better Dayz, And Pacs life IMHO were good albums. obviously it had filler in it of course which is one of the reasons pac didn't use alot of the songs so please people really need to understand it wasnt finished material he just layed vocals. im sure if he had his own input it woulda been great.
but Still i rise was the best of all IMO. even if it was almost a outlawz album lol
yeah, those are all good points my fellow KC homie made.
The Outlawz album may very well have been the best of all. It sound the most like an Outlawz album that Pac would of done while still alive. I mean, it's kind of like an upgrade of the Thug Life posse album Pac did earlier in his career.
Upgrade? Im gonna have to disagree with you there. I thought Thug Life was classic or near classic with tracks like "Pour Out a Little Liquor", "How Long Will They Mourn Me", "St8 Ballin" just to name a few. Nothing on Still I Rise touches those tracks alone.
yea, "Thug Life" > "Still I Rise"....both great albums, tho
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and they left Late Night and Who Do U Believe In in original form
No doubt those are two of the better 2pac posthumous tracks. The only problem was those two tracks had been on loads of bootleg albums from as far back as 98' I had been bumping those two tracks on the regular. So by the time they came out on Better Days they were old and I already had them on other cd's. I'm happy they were left in their original form because they were great the way the were, but at the same time when Until The End of Time came out it was like all new Pac music I'd mostly never heard before.
yeah i already had those 2 songs memorized from chronic 2000 (and i knew Late Night before chronic 2000)
but at least the majority of people who got Better Dayz didn't know of them yet
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Better Dayz >>>
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I like Better Dayz. Most people hate it because that was the beginning of Amaru remixing his shit with mainstream producers / features but this was a damn good compilation. Still Ballin, Changed Man, When We Ride..., They Don't Give a Fuck About Us, Ghetto Star, Fame, Thugz Mansion. It'd be more respected if it was a single disc.
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I would go with UTEOT mainly because it has two of my favourite 2Pac tracks on it (and most underrated I might add) in 'Good Life' and 'Fuckin Wit' The Wrong Nigga'.
I recently burned the OG albums as accurately as I could and Disc 1 of Better Dayz plays surprisingly well, although both of these albums are in a way a mixed bag, seeing as the songs are taken from All Eyez session leftovers, Makaveli period and One Nation sessions together.
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someone needs to upload a .zip file of all of pac's posthumous releases with all the OG versions of the same tracks. heard most of em, but would be nice 2 have em in sequence.
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I like Better Dayz. Most people hate it because that was the beginning of Amaru remixing his shit with mainstream producers / features but this was a damn good compilation. Still Ballin, Changed Man, When We Ride..., They Don't Give a Fuck About Us, Ghetto Star, Fame, Thugz Mansion. It'd be more respected if it was a single disc.
UTEOT had that awful remix with Lil Mo on it
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better dayz by far
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until the end of time, but better dayz had dope cuts, as well. r u still down > both of em
this
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I said "upgrade" but I think it would have been better to call Still I Rise an "UPDATED" version of the Thug Life album. And whoever complained about "Hell For A Hustler" soundin like Pac was under water? That album cut was superb, and I've never agreed with all the cats that say the OG versions of these songs are better.
If you notice they didn't fuck with tracks like "Play Your Cards Right" and "Soon As I Get Home" or "Who do you believe in." Because those tracks were already great. Most the ones they fucked with needed to be touched up a bit cause they were unfinished tracks.
For those that complain about album mixes go listen to "Because I Had 2" and compare it to the title track "Until the end of time" and that should change your thinking.
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I said "upgrade" but I think it would have been better to call Still I Rise an "UPDATED" version of the Thug Life album. And whoever complained about "Hell For A Hustler" soundin like Pac was under water? That album cut was superb, and I've never agreed with all the cats that say the OG versions of these songs are better.
If you notice they didn't fuck with tracks like "Play Your Cards Right" and "Soon As I Get Home" or "Who do you believe in." Because those tracks were already great. Most the ones they fucked with needed to be touched up a bit cause they were unfinished tracks.
For those that complain about album mixes go listen to "Because I Had 2" and compare it to the title track "Until the end of time" and that should change your thinking.
1-They remixed Play Ya Cards Right
2-Soon as i get home couldn't be remixed because the master reel was lost
3-How is Still I Rise anything like Thug Life? the only member of both groups was 2pac unless you want to count that short Big Syke verse. Two different production teams too minus JJ.
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1-They remixed Play Ya Cards Right
I never bought the Pac's Life album, because I didn't like the guest artists they set him up with for that one. But I was told "Play Your Cards Right" was on there in the same version as the bootlegs, maybe not though, guess I will have to check out the new mix. The OG version is one of my all-time favorite Pac cuts I've had in my rotation since way back in 98.
2-Soon as i get home couldn't be remixed because the master reel was lost
interesting
3-How is Still I Rise anything like Thug Life? the only member of both groups was 2pac unless you want to count that short Big Syke verse. Two different production teams too minus JJ.
Because of the obvious reason that they are the two Pac albums that are group albums rather than solo albums. Also I feel the subject matter is similar, kind of speaking for the outcasts, downtrodden, people on the fringes, the hopeless! And even though the second one was released after Pac's death, I feel the quality of both was the same, both were great albums.
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1-They remixed Play Ya Cards Right
I never bought the Pac's Life album, because I didn't like the guest artists they set him up with for that one. But I was told "Play Your Cards Right" was on there in the same version as the bootlegs, maybe not though, guess I will have to check out the new mix. The OG version is one of my all-time favorite Pac cuts I've had in my rotation since way back in 98.
Ohhh shit, I just went over to youtube and listened to the Pac's Life album version of "Play Your Cards Right". The Keyshia Coles version. First of all, the idea of putting Keyshia Coles on a track with Pac already rubbed me the wrong way, then I listen to that trash and I don't think there has ever been a song that suffered a worse fate than this one.
My statement that I like the remixed album version tracks better than the OG versions, doesn't apply to the Pac's Life album. That's the only Pac album I never bought or even bothered to listen to.
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pacs life was a disaster besides soon as i get home
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better dayz for me uteot was dope also but it still annoys me that bits were blanked out
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pacs life was a disaster besides soon as i get home
"Loyal To The Game" was even greater disaster with all that TRASH Eminem had produced for it.
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pacs life was a disaster besides soon as i get home
"Loyal To The Game" was even greater disaster with all that TRASH Eminem had produced for it.
i think the features on "Pac's Life" were more sappy, tho