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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: TraceOneInfinite Flat Earther 96' on March 09, 2013, 10:12:44 AM
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I'm one of the few that likes the remixed album version of Pac's songs better than the bootleg versions. I feel like when Pac recorded those tracks they were mostly unfinished, so Afeni's people had the right to go in and touch them up and finish them. Also, sample clearances were surely an issue on many. For a while they were only using people like Johnny J and the Outlawz and cats who were cool with Pac to go in and touch up the tracks production and vocals. I think that strategy worked very well, from R U Still Down, to Still I Rise, and up to Until The End of Time, those were all classic albums. Better Dayz wasn't a classic, but it was a still a solid offering considering that they were finally running out of Pac tracks.
But there are some songs that were ruined by way of the album remix. Some worse than others. Here's my list.
2 Worst Remixes
1. "Play Your Cards Right"- The original, I had on bootleg since 1998 and still to this day it is on my main mix of music I keep on my ipod. One of my favorite Pac songs of all time. Maybe they couldn't get sample clearance. The sample on that track is fucking dope, and I don't know if it's KC and JoJo on the original but it sounds like them. The lyrics could of been soft, considering it has an R&B sound, but the lyrics are deep and contemplative, whether it's Pac or the Outlawz spitting. Then finally this track was remixed and released on the Pac's Life album. I was disgusted to see they had matched Pac up with artists like Keyshia Coles for that album. The new version isn't even listenable in my opinion, I only got through about 20 seconds.
2. "Thug In Me" Lady V was the original. This track, Pac even bragged about in interviews when he was alive. So you know it was something he considered releasing on an album. That shit was fucking dope. But then they remixxed it for Until The End of Time into "Thug In U, Thug In Me". They put KC and JoJo on the track, I didn't have a problem with that, but the beat sounded overdone. Not a horrible track, but still a significant downgrade from the smoothed out O.G. version.
2 Best Remixes
1. "Until The End of Time". This mix that was the title track for the album was so good that it was the single for the double platinum album. They used the Mr. Mister 80's sample which I loved. The OG version wasn't bad, it was a track called "If I Had 2" that uses the "Just The Two of Us" sample. It was a soft song, that is listenable but certainly unfinished. They took something decent and made classic!
2. "I Wonder If Heaven Got A Ghetto". This song already had some of Pac's greatest and deepest lyrics. The problem was just the beat. They really went back in and perfected it and what emerged was a larger than life single and video that propelled the R U Still Down album to double platinum!
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RUSD and Still I Rise had some dope remixes that made you forgive some of the wack ones (I'm Getting Money should never have been remixed, same with Tattoo Tears)
but after that they really just went the pop route and it was clear Johnny J lost his touch
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though some were remixed well a lot were ruined, with beats not matching lyrics, hooks out of place and random artists appearing on the tracks.
personal remixed favourites for me hell 4 a hustler and street fame .
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my favorite remixes are:
black jesus
street fame
enemies with me (but they had to be dickheads and remove Stretch and MAjesty)
military minds
m.o.b.
letter to the president
u don't have to worry
loyal to the game w/ syke and dj quik
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my favorite remixes are:
black jesus
street fame
enemies with me (but they had to be dickheads and remove Stretch and MAjesty)
military minds
m.o.b.
letter to the president
u don't have to worry
loyal to the game w/ syke and dj quik
agree with most of those
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I liked "runnin (dying to live)" - shit was actually kinda brilliant. What's ya phone number nu-mixx was 100x better than the original. Until the end of time, etc
Worst were everything Eminem did on Loyal 2 the Game other than Thugs Get Lonely Too ( thank God for Nate Dogg).
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but after that they really just went the pop route and it was clear Johnny J lost his touch
Johnny 'J' never lost his touch - most of his beats on "UTEOT" and "BD" were dope, but some of the chours downplayed the tracks as a whole. But he did some great remixes for those CD's, like "Breathin", "World Wide Mob Figgaz", "This Ain't Livin" and "Fuck Em All" all sounded a lot better and more complete than the OG's.
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I think This Ain't Livin' is the best "remix" that Amaru Records did. At the time, it sounded like a completely new, unreleased song, like Last Onez Left. That beat is one of Johnny J's hardest. Sounds so in time with the flow, lyrics, etc as if 'Pac rapped to that version, not the original, which I thought was not as raw. Shame they edited the Snoop references.
The whole Loyal To The Game album was the lowest point, just Eminem fans won't say it. When you twist a dead man's words to make you look good, that's too far.
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i never cared for This aint livin remix but i love the original
i do like what they did to Breathin and Last Ones Left remixes
fuck em all too
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u guys heard that song "euro killa" by pac? super rare bootleg with daz on the boards danny boy on the hook and suge doing the behind the scenes in studio assaults on engineers and i heard even possible sexual assault on pac himself cause he took too many takes, dont if theres a remix, but this pac thread reminded me of that song. had it way back in the day.
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I'm one of the few that likes the remixed album version of Pac's songs better than the bootleg versions. I feel like when Pac recorded those tracks they were mostly unfinished, so Afeni's people had the right to go in and touch them up and finish them. Also, sample clearances were surely an issue on many. For a while they were only using people like Johnny J and the Outlawz and cats who were cool with Pac to go in and touch up the tracks production and vocals. I think that strategy worked very well, from R U Still Down, to Still I Rise, and up to Until The End of Time, those were all classic albums. Better Dayz wasn't a classic, but it was a still a solid offering considering that they were finally running out of Pac tracks.
But there are some songs that were ruined by way of the album remix. Some worse than others. Here's my list.
2 Worst Remixes
1. "Play Your Cards Right"- The original, I had on bootleg since 1998 and still to this day it is on my main mix of music I keep on my ipod. One of my favorite Pac songs of all time. Maybe they couldn't get sample clearance. The sample on that track is fucking dope, and I don't know if it's KC and JoJo on the original but it sounds like them. The lyrics could of been soft, considering it has an R&B sound, but the lyrics are deep and contemplative, whether it's Pac or the Outlawz spitting. Then finally this track was remixed and released on the Pac's Life album. I was disgusted to see they had matched Pac up with artists like Keyshia Coles for that album. The new version isn't even listenable in my opinion, I only got through about 20 seconds.
2. "Thug In Me" Lady V was the original. This track, Pac even bragged about in interviews when he was alive. So you know it was something he considered releasing on an album. That shit was fucking dope. But then they remixxed it for Until The End of Time into "Thug In U, Thug In Me". They put KC and JoJo on the track, I didn't have a problem with that, but the beat sounded overdone. Not a horrible track, but still a significant downgrade from the smoothed out O.G. version.
2 Best Remixes
1. "Until The End of Time". This mix that was the title track for the album was so good that it was the single for the double platinum album. They used the Mr. Mister 80's sample which I loved. The OG version wasn't bad, it was a track called "If I Had 2" that uses the "Just The Two of Us" sample. It was a soft song, that is listenable but certainly unfinished. They took something decent and made classic!
2. "I Wonder If Heaven Got A Ghetto". This song already had some of Pac's greatest and deepest lyrics. The problem was just the beat. They really went back in and perfected it and what emerged was a larger than life single and video that propelled the R U Still Down album to double platinum!
Homie you hit the nail on the head! I completely agree about these four songs. The OG Thug In Me and the OG versions of Playa Cardz Right are two of my most played Pac songs. Some of the dopest music he ever made - meanwhile the remixes are awful.
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also Brian "if i had to" original does not use the just the 2 of us sample, that is the Shock G remix
but it's easy to confuse since both were on the old school bootlegs
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Johnny 'J' never lost his touch - most of his beats on "UTEOT" and "BD" were dope, but some of the chours downplayed the tracks as a whole. But he did some great remixes for those CD's, like "Breathin", "World Wide Mob Figgaz", "This Ain't Livin" and "Fuck Em All" all sounded a lot better and more complete than the OG's.
Damn right... Johnny J is so under-rated for the work he's done with Pac. Tracks like "This Ain't Livin", and like someone said below "Last Ones Left" and so many more were outstanding.
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The whole Loyal To The Game album was the lowest point, just Eminem fans won't say it. When you twist a dead man's words to make you look good, that's too far.
No homie.. I don't blame Em for Loyal To The Game. At that stage in the process Em was really scraping the bottom of the barrel on Pac material. The fact he was able to come up with that joint with Elton John I think is a credit to Em, and also he had a couple of nice joints on the Pac's documentary soundtrack.
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Homie you hit the nail on the head! I completely agree about these four songs. The OG Thug In Me and the OG versions of Playa Cardz Right are two of my most played Pac songs. Some of the dopest music he ever made - meanwhile the remixes are awful.
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Word.. the bootleg I had with "Play Your Cards" also had "Soon As I Get Home" and another banger on it that nobody mentions "You Can't Fade Me". I've been bumping those tracks for so many years.
Speaking of "You Can't Fade Me", did they ever remake that song, and anybody else love that one?
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you can't fade me is a personal favorite and no they didn't remix it thankfully
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you can't fade me is a personal favorite and no they didn't remix it thankfully
Word... I just looked it up on youtube and they took down the OG's of this track. Wonder what's up with that? Maybe it's because it's one of the only Pac gems still left untouched. My old bootleg from 98 is all scratched up and I wouldn't mind having a new MP3 of this joint
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you can't fade me is a personal favorite and no they didn't remix it thankfully
Word... I just looked it up on youtube and they took down the OG's of this track. Wonder what's up with that? Maybe it's because it's one of the only Pac gems still left untouched. My old bootleg from 98 is all scratched up and I wouldn't mind having a new MP3 of this joint
give me a few minutes and i'll upload it
it recently leaked in top notch quality a few years ago
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http://www.mediafire.com/?5fpio1u8o65vm10
it's a WAV file...cuz all the 2pac nerds use WAV files lol
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http://www.mediafire.com/?5fpio1u8o65vm10
it's a WAV file...cuz all the 2pac nerds use WAV files lol
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u guys heard that song "euro killa" by pac? super rare bootleg with daz on the boards danny boy on the hook and suge doing the behind the scenes in studio assaults on engineers and i heard even possible sexual assault on pac himself cause he took too many takes, dont if theres a remix, but this pac thread reminded me of that song. had it way back in the day.
come on, man...that was a terrible attempt at trollin
was feelin all the remixes daz did on "makaveli & dillinger"
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I liked "runnin (dying to live)" - shit was actually kinda brilliant.
i always liked that song , especially the biggie part
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u guys heard that song "euro killa" by pac? super rare bootleg with daz on the boards danny boy on the hook and suge doing the behind the scenes in studio assaults on engineers and i heard even possible sexual assault on pac himself cause he took too many takes, dont if theres a remix, but this pac thread reminded me of that song. had it way back in the day.
come on, man...that was a terrible attempt at trollin
was feelin all the remixes daz did on "makaveli & dillinger"
so you havent heard it.
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u guys heard that song "euro killa" by pac? super rare bootleg with daz on the boards danny boy on the hook and suge doing the behind the scenes in studio assaults on engineers and i heard even possible sexual assault on pac himself cause he took too many takes, dont if theres a remix, but this pac thread reminded me of that song. had it way back in the day.
come on, man...that was a terrible attempt at trollin
was feelin all the remixes daz did on "makaveli & dillinger"
so you havent heard it.
lol
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my favorite remixes are:
black jesus
street fame
enemies with me (but they had to be dickheads and remove Stretch and MAjesty)
military minds
m.o.b.
letter to the president
u don't have to worry
loyal to the game w/ syke and dj quik
loyal to the game w/ syke and dj quik remix is one of the worst & can not even touch the original that was released on the cassette version of Above the rim soundtrack .
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I liked "runnin (dying to live)" - shit was actually kinda brilliant. What's ya phone number nu-mixx was 100x better than the original. Until the end of time, etc
Worst were everything Eminem did on Loyal 2 the Game other than Thugs Get Lonely Too ( thank God for Nate Dogg).
eminem version of runnin (dying to live)" is also one of worst remixes ever . the original is million times better & the real way 2pac wanted it heard .
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yeah runnin dying to live was an insult to the original IMO. shit was way too grandiloquent and pompous with the violins, the chorus and everything, didn't fit at all the verses and the content of the song. it made me sick at the time to see that people were feeling the song without knowing the original lol.
meanwhile, I liked Playa Cardz Right, but I like R&B and I guess if you're not into R&B you might not like it, but the beat was smooth as hell and Keyshia did her thing. the original banged to.
as NIKCC pointed out, I thought that Daz & Mike Dean did a good job with Makaveli & Dillinger, especially with songs like "Don't Go 2 Sleep" and "First To Bomb" and "Dumpin'", sometimes surpassing the original music-wise, like for "First To Bomb" for example, which Mike Dean made epic, even if I really like the original as well.
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my favorite remixes are:
black jesus
street fame
enemies with me (but they had to be dickheads and remove Stretch and MAjesty)
military minds
m.o.b.
letter to the president
u don't have to worry
loyal to the game w/ syke and dj quik
loyal to the game w/ syke and dj quik remix is one of the worst & can not even touch the original that was released on the cassette version of Above the rim soundtrack .
i disagree completely....Syke and Quik murk their verses and the beat was the shit
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my favorite remixes are:
black jesus
street fame
enemies with me (but they had to be dickheads and remove Stretch and MAjesty)
military minds
m.o.b.
letter to the president
u don't have to worry
loyal to the game w/ syke and dj quik
loyal to the game w/ syke and dj quik remix is one of the worst & can not even touch the original that was released on the cassette version of Above the rim soundtrack .
i disagree completely....Syke and Quik murk their verses and the beat was the shit
sorry but you are 100% wrong . The version off Above the rim soundtrack with treach of naughty by nature & riddler of DBG'z is billion times better & the way it is suppose to sound anyways.. the beat on remixed sucked & it was not natural at all. treach & riddler killed it compared to Syke and Quik. the original version is the way 2pac ment us to hear it not the gay eminem remix . everything on loyal to game albums sucks & 2pac would not be cool with it.
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eminem didn't remix the dj quik/syke version
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my favorite remixes are:
black jesus
street fame
enemies with me (but they had to be dickheads and remove Stretch and MAjesty)
military minds
m.o.b.
letter to the president
u don't have to worry
loyal to the game w/ syke and dj quik
loyal to the game w/ syke and dj quik remix is one of the worst & can not even touch the original that was released on the cassette version of Above the rim soundtrack .
what part of poland are you from
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my favorite remixes are:
black jesus
street fame
enemies with me (but they had to be dickheads and remove Stretch and MAjesty)
military minds
m.o.b.
letter to the president
u don't have to worry
loyal to the game w/ syke and dj quik
loyal to the game w/ syke and dj quik remix is one of the worst & can not even touch the original that was released on the cassette version of Above the rim soundtrack .
what part of poland are you from
LOL
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my favorite remixes are:
black jesus
street fame
enemies with me (but they had to be dickheads and remove Stretch and MAjesty)
military minds
m.o.b.
letter to the president
u don't have to worry
loyal to the game w/ syke and dj quik
loyal to the game w/ syke and dj quik remix is one of the worst & can not even touch the original that was released on the cassette version of Above the rim soundtrack .
what part of poland are you from
i am not from poland & never ever been there . i from St louis & no where else .
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my favorite remixes are:
black jesus
street fame
enemies with me (but they had to be dickheads and remove Stretch and MAjesty)
military minds
m.o.b.
letter to the president
u don't have to worry
loyal to the game w/ syke and dj quik
loyal to the game w/ syke and dj quik remix is one of the worst & can not even touch the original that was released on the cassette version of Above the rim soundtrack .
what part of poland are you from
i am not from poland & never ever been there . i from St louis & no where else .
is Chingy on your Mt. Rushmore of hip hop?
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The general rule is that the original versions of 2Pac's songs are better than the remakes and remixes. However there are a few notable exceptions.
I've always liked the UTEOT versions of 'Good Life and Fuckin' Wit The Wrong Nigga', but mainly because they are tweaked versions of the OGs. Same with 'Ballad Of A Dead Souljah' and 'LastOnesLeft'. The remix of 'When I Get Free' is great too, and I prefer the remix of 'Unborn Child' too because I don't like the female singer on the OG. Better Days has a few good remixes too; 'There U Go' has a great vibe to it compared to the rather pedestrian OG version.
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Am i the only one who hated the remix to "Black Jesus"?
It was dull and boring. It sounded to me like a poor mans version of Hail Mary....the OG was miles better.
In my opinion anyway ;)
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Am i the only one who hated the remix to "Black Jesus"?
It was dull and boring. It sounded to me like a poor mans version of Hail Mary....the OG was miles better.
In my opinion anyway ;)
:eh: it's the best song on that album
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Am i the only one who hated the remix to "Black Jesus"?
It was dull and boring. It sounded to me like a poor mans version of Hail Mary....the OG was miles better.
In my opinion anyway ;)
:eh: it's the best song on that album
No way!! Its garbage.
Then again, i was playing the OG from 97'ish and loved it so wasnt very happy with the "Still I Rise" version in 99
Each to their own though
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Am i the only one who hated the remix to "Black Jesus"?
It was dull and boring. It sounded to me like a poor mans version of Hail Mary....the OG was miles better.
In my opinion anyway ;)
:eh: it's the best song on that album
No way!! Its garbage.
Then again, i was playing the OG from 97'ish and loved it so wasnt very happy with the "Still I Rise" version in 99
Each to their own though
well i certainly do love fatal's verse on the OG 8)
but they improved on the beat IMO
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my favorite remixes are:
black jesus
street fame
enemies with me (but they had to be dickheads and remove Stretch and MAjesty)
military minds
m.o.b.
letter to the president
u don't have to worry
loyal to the game w/ syke and dj quik
loyal to the game w/ syke and dj quik remix is one of the worst & can not even touch the original that was released on the cassette version of Above the rim soundtrack .
what part of poland are you from
i am not from poland & never ever been there . i from St louis & no where else .
is Chingy on your Mt. Rushmore of hip hop?
no way in hell . my Rushmore of hip hop is Rakim,Big Daddy,Krs-1,Kool G rap ,Ice Cube,scarface & 2pac .
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you added 3 extra heads??
that's a lot of construction sir
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my favorite remixes are:
black jesus
street fame
enemies with me (but they had to be dickheads and remove Stretch and MAjesty)
military minds
m.o.b.
letter to the president
u don't have to worry
loyal to the game w/ syke and dj quik
loyal to the game w/ syke and dj quik remix is one of the worst & can not even touch the original that was released on the cassette version of Above the rim soundtrack .
what part of poland are you from
i am not from poland & never ever been there . i from St louis & no where else .
is Chingy on your Mt. Rushmore of hip hop?
LOL
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RUSD and Still I Rise had some dope remixes that made you forgive some of the wack ones (I'm Getting Money should never have been remixed, same with Tattoo Tears)
but after that they really just went the pop route and it was clear Johnny J lost his touch
Im gettin money is a contender for my fav. The vocals sound made for that mosley beat imo and damn the beats nice. I really like hell for a hustler also.
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Am i the only one who hated the remix to "Black Jesus"?
It was dull and boring. It sounded to me like a poor mans version of Hail Mary....the OG was miles better.
In my opinion anyway ;)
:eh: it's the best song on that album
yeah it was that, baby don't cry, mr. president, tear drops and closed caskets, & ain't shit without your homeboys.