West Coast Connection Forum
DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: Hatesrats™ on March 07, 2003, 01:40:48 PM
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I love both lp's equal....always have.
But I'm just gonna come out and say it.
ImO..."Soul on Ice" shit's on "Illmatic" on every aspect that matter's.
Lyrics: Ras Kass
Flow: Ras Kass
Subject matter: Ras Kass
Just my opinion tho, to those peep's who ain't got a copy of "Soul on Ice" try & find a copy and listen to it really good. You might lkearn something from it. And crank it right after u bump ya "Illmatic".
The Battle begins..
It's a Classic (vs) a Classic
But I gotta keep it Westcoastin'
Hatesrats 2000Tre
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Yeah i can't say cuz i haven't heard soul on ice.... :(...hey maybe someone could hook me up with a copy of it.. ;)
But anyways I love Illmatic now i gotta hear soul on ice...
peace
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Okay, I'm going to come out a say it. Soul On Ice is NOT a classic album. There is no comparing between these two. First off the production and mixing on Illmatic shits on Soul On Ice hands down. Lyrically it's could be a toss up. Ras should have put both sides of his first 12" on there and the Diamond D remix of "Soul On Ice" cause it's way better that the album version. And songs like "Marinatin'" and "Miami Life" are just filler.
Soul On Ice = 8/10
Illmatic = 10/10
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I have said "Soul On Ice" is better than Illmatic or damn near any album for that matter...
For about 3+ years.
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Who cares...They both classics...
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Okay, I'm going to come out a say it. Soul On Ice is NOT a classic album. There is no comparing between these two. First off the production and mixing on Illmatic shits on Soul On Ice hands down. Lyrically it's could be a toss up. Ras should have put both sides of his first 12" on there and the Diamond D remix of "Soul On Ice" cause it's way better that the album version. And songs like "Marinatin'" and "Miami Life" are just filler.
Lyrics: Ras Kass
Flow: Ras Kass
Subject matter: Ras Kass
Marketing Value: Nas
Street Credibility: Nas
Freestyles: Ras Kass
Knowledge (different from subject): Close, but Ras Kass
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well i still want the cd...LOL....anybody wanna hook me up wit it...
peace
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Marketing Value: Nas
Freestyles: Ras Kass
WTF? What the hell is "Marketing Value" have to do with the albums and "Freestyles" have nothing to do with it either since these are albums which have songs and not freestyles.
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Marketing Value: Nas
Freestyles: Ras Kass
WTF? What the hell is "Marketing Value" have to do with the albums and "Freestyles" have nothing to do with it either since these are albums which have songs and not freestyles.
yeah thats tru...you right about that...I never thought about it...
peace
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:o
Okay, I'm going to come out a say it. Soul On Ice is NOT a classic album. There is no comparing between these two. First off the production and mixing on Illmatic shits on Soul On Ice hands down. Lyrically it's could be a toss up. Ras should have put both sides of his first 12" on there and the Diamond D remix of "Soul On Ice" cause it's way better that the album version. And songs like "Marinatin'" and "Miami Life" are just filler.
Soul On Ice = 8/10
Illmatic = 10/10
comin' correct as usual
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I personally think Soul On Ice is better but in no way is it a classic. And i just can't listen to Illmatic, I can't stand the production (even though it uses some of my favourite producers) and i hate Nas voice on it, it just makes me want to shoot him. While Soul On Ice production isn't great, it is at least listenable and Ras flow is better in my opinion.
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I'll even throw out Xzibit's debut against "Illmatic"
(http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00001IVOV.01._PE17_SCMZZZZZZZ_.jpg)
At the Speed of Life...Xzibit
Blow for blow this also shit's all over the very overated "Illmatic" ImO.
In every aspect aswell.
Westcoastin'
Hatesrats 2000Tre
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I'll even throw out Xzibit's debut against "Illmatic"
(http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00001IVOV.01._PE17_SCMZZZZZZZ_.jpg)
At the Speed of Life...Xzibit
Blow for blow this also shit's all over the very overated "Illmatic" ImO.
In every aspect aswell.
Westcoastin'
Hatesrats 2000Tre
yeah i like that cd too but i think Illmatic is better by a little...IMO
peace
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Marketing Value: Nas
Freestyles: Ras Kass
WTF? What the hell is "Marketing Value" have to do with the albums and "Freestyles" have nothing to do with it either since these are albums which have songs and not freestyles.
Marketing Value is damn important....do you think I could sign Copywrite to Def Jam and he would do extremely well as eminem, although marketing value isnt a feature of an mc....it helps record labels find their character and if they have the charisma to do well
Freestyles is very important in the fact that you can put out mixtapes (DJ Whoo Kid recognized 50 cent - contacted paul rosenberg)
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I'll even throw out Xzibit's debut against "Illmatic"
(http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00001IVOV.01._PE17_SCMZZZZZZZ_.jpg)
At the Speed of Life...Xzibit
Blow for blow this also shit's all over the very overated "Illmatic" ImO.
In every aspect aswell.
Westcoastin'
Hatesrats 2000Tre
yeah i like that cd too but i think Illmatic is better by a little...IMO
peace
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Xzibit - "At The Speed of Life"
Nas - "Illmatic"
Ras Kass - "Soul on Ice"
are all basically in the same league...They're all debut classics...Another one is Eminem - "Infinite"...One of the most lyrical albums ever...I'd put it up there as a classic as well...PeACe
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for what its worth i agree with what knuckles said. illmatic is fire. ras himself has said that there are things missing from soul on ice (party jams for one) which he never realised until after that project... its not wack.. but its not classic either.
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Marketing Value is damn important....do you think I could sign Copywrite to Def Jam and he would do extremely well as eminem, although marketing value isnt a feature of an mc....it helps record labels find their character and if they have the charisma to do well
Freestyles is very important in the fact that you can put out mixtapes (DJ Whoo Kid recognized 50 cent - contacted paul rosenberg)
But that has nothing to do with comparing albums.
I think At The Speed Of Life (an 8.5/10) is better than Soul On Ice and Infinite shouldn't even be in the same sentence as Illmatic.
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and Infinite shouldn't even be in the same sentence as Illmatic.
That's your opinion...Most people would agree "Infinite" is classic and is Eminems best album to date (lyricaly)...PeACe
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lyrically? yes.
overall? no.
sun rises in the east and word life are better than soul on ice too...
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and Infinite shouldn't even be in the same sentence as Illmatic.
That's your opinion...Most people would agree "Infinite" is classic and is Eminems best album to date (lyricaly)...PeACe
ANOTHER POST I AGREE WITH...DAMN NIK